In this episode of Mindful You, Alan chats with Robyn McTague. Robyn is a life and relationship coach and consultant who uses enneagram work as a psychospiritual system. We learn the significance of shielding and the different ways we can approach choices. McTague speaks about the shifting of your attention from the thoughts in your body. We must value ourselves enough to let go of our mistakes. What is the purpose of dream coaching? Find out on this week’s episode.

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Robyn McTague is the Creator of A Life of Choice coaching & Consulting. Helping individuals, couples and teams navigate the complexities of their personal and professional relationships, through a unique blend of proven strategies including science and metaphysical systems. 

Empowering clients to uncover the drivers behind their behavior, address conflicts head-on, and cultivate thriving relationships with themselves and others.

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Unknown: 00:00:05

Welcome back, everybody,

Alan Carroll: 00:00:07

to your next episode of the mindful U

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podcast. My name is Alan Carroll, I am your host, and

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today's guest. Today's guest is Robin. And Robin has an

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interesting story. And as most mindfulness, people seem to

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start from suffering, things didn't go well in their

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childhood, and they had a lot of ups and downs emotionally and

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mentally, which makes them feel that is there something else is

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there some way of reducing the suffering, it's just some way of

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experiencing more presence and joyfulness in my circumstances

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and activities, are there ways for me to be happier, mentally,

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physically and emotionally. And so that motivated Robin, to

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start her journey. And she describes one of the programs

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that she really got excited about. And she started to teach

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it. And it's a way of protecting yourself psychologically from

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all those influences outside yourself those blocks and those

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barriers. And she calls it a shielding a shielding system. So

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I'm excited to introduce you to Robin, and please welcome her to

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the mindful you podcast. Thank you very much.

Alan Carroll: 00:01:54

Robin, welcome to the mindful you podcast. Thank you, I'm

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excited to have the opportunity to speak with you. And for my

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audience, who I'd like you to introduce yourself to the

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audience, a little bit of your background, a little bit of how

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you were how you got on the mindfulness path, the

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mindfulness journey, the the transformation of consciousness,

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and then we'll move in, and maybe some of the things that

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you're doing now in order to develop those those muscles, for

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yourself and for and for the world. So we'll start with just

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a little bit of your background, Robin.

Robyn McTague: 00:02:30

Sure. Well, I came from one of those families

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that was dysfunctional with capital D. She was, yeah, she

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was suicidal, I first time, I remember I was four years old.

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And when she tried to kill herself, and my dad was an

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alcoholic, rageaholic abuser. And my way of dealing with it

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was to stay really quiet. I, you know, delved into books. My mom

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and I left when I was six, and we lived with other families. So

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I had exposure to lots of different settings of different

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people. And I was always curious, why did people do what

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they do? Like, and why are some people aware and other people

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aren't. And I remember having conversations with myself at a

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really young age around these things. So, you know, I went

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into psychology and counseling, I trained in conflict

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resolution. And then I had cancer breast cancer 23 years

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ago, this year. And that really opened up the can of worms of

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emotions, because that's the part I hadn't dealt with. I knew

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all these things intellectually. But I hadn't done that deeper

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work that I'd really pushed down to be able to function in the

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world. And so I spent six months on my sofa. And I just went deep

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into that feeling of, you know, being and that was really tough

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places where I wasn't allowed to be myself. I wasn't allowed to

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be curious. I wasn't allowed to do anything that I really

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wanted. You know, financially, I loved music. And I was so

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jealous of the other kids that learn to play piano or different

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things. And so, I really felt that I didn't get to be who I

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was. And so then with that cancer journey, I came out of

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those six months, I was coming back into the workplace. I

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worked in a large organization, over 1000 people, a lot of

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stressed out people we worked with people who are injured on

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the job. And I thought how can I be around all the stressed out

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people and I met a one woman at a wine cheese and tarot card

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reading party and she said I took a class where you get

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shields so you're not taking on other people's energy. And when

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I know something I noticed Something so I jumped in the

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next week. And I felt better in the first week, the course is

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four weeks, you get two energy shields, you get a grounding and

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a shielding system. And so I became a teacher of this. So now

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I teach adults and children the system. And I continue to grow

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in the energy system. And it's quite a unique system. So from

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there, I started to learn what was mine, and what was someone

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else's, as far as feelings and all of those different things.

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So I really started to get more in alignment, and connected to

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who I was, instead of always having to be the chameleon to

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fit in and feel safe. And through that, I started to get

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more independent, I got more tired of the bureaucracy, and

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then finally was able to leave early due to the number of years

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of service. And then I learned about the motivational map,

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which I love and the clarity that brought, I saw where those

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internal conflicts were. And it's partly based on the

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Enneagram. So I've been doing the really deep dive with the

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Enneagram work, which is a psycho spiritual system that

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helped me to really bring the spiritual and that humanity, the

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practical together to see that lens of the world, why I did

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things and to build more kindness and compassion for

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myself and other people. So that's kind of where I am today,

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where I'm working with the Enneagram, the motivational map,

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the meditation and healing system, I do some numerology as

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well. So it's interesting, all these number things that come

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into play, because there's so many universal laws, right. And

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this is something in the Enneagram we talk a lot about

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triads. And this number nine, that comes up, we have it with

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several of the systems I use, but it's universal law. And so

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all of these systems connect in certain ways. And I find that

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fascinating.

Alan Carroll: 00:07:16

Right, you could say that there's, everything is

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connected. With there's only one being one love one energy,

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though the perception is there's a you and me. And as you talk

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about the different techniques you're using, it sounds like you

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are discovering something, I'll call it beyond the ego, that

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there's a space of beingness that everybody shares a

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universal sense of beingness. And it's available to everybody.

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And matter of fact, it's already there. And all you got to do is

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get on your sofa for six months, and allow yourself to just get

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get lost. Dissolve the thoughts dissolve the thoughts. I you

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talked about shielding, you said it a few times. And it's I like

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that where I'm not sure what it means. But I like the idea of

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being able to protect yourself. And I the Word Shield means to

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me, you're protecting yourself. I'd like you just to talk a

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little bit about it because it has significance in your world.

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And it might have significance in the listeners world. Awesome.

Unknown: 00:08:27

Yeah, so the system that I teach, we actually as

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teachers shift your vibration over the four weeks. And so when

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we can shift that vibrational consciousness, we learned to

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bring in the universal energy, we learned to bring up that

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grounding energy. And so with that shield, then bring in a

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shield of love. And so then we have an energetic boundary. So

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then we can learn what's going on with me separate from other

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people, because we're all energetic sponges. You know, I

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get a little bit annoyed with all this empathetic stuff. I'm

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an empath. Well, we all are to a certain degree. It's whether we

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accept or I have that awareness about it. So we all have this

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ability to say, wow, yeah, I'm really noticing that maybe I

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going to a party or somewhere I feel great. Before I go, I get

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there and all of a sudden, within 15 minutes, I'm not

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feeling so good. But I think that's me. And as maybe someone

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else I'm picking up. So the energy shield which is light and

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love is a way to allow love in and keep the negativity out. And

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even with the kids course, I draw a bubble. And then I have

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the hearts coming through and then I have the arrows bouncing

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off that little bubble that I showed them that they can Hang

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up. So even with the kids, we do gentler increase in their

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vibration. And it gives them this sense of I actually have

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choice. And we've since seen kids stand up to bullies. And it

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also brings in a better communication tool between the

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parent and the child. So one of the parents has to come and they

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learn the system. So, and it's the same with the adults is just

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kind of a mini version. But it's ways to be able to build that

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communication with ourselves, and then with others. So it's

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like when I feel safe and energized, and not feeling

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drained by other people, then I have so much more success in my

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life, and that ability to know what's important to me.

Alan Carroll: 00:10:53

You mentioned, Robin, the word choice. And I

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find that most people don't have a choice. That choice involves

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observation. And most people can't, can observe because they

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can't let go of something which blocking, which is blocking them

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from, from responding. And so if you can't respond, then then you

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react to what's going on. And so when you talk about choice, to

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me, that's very, that's a very important level of awareness

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that most people don't have a choice, this is the way it is,

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you know, there's that immediate reaction to it. And is that what

Alan Carroll: 00:11:42

you're talking about when I'm talking about choice?

Unknown: 00:11:45

Yeah, it's learning the different ways. And so that

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awareness, like you say, it's like, it can start very small,

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just having, you know, some cliche things, they come from a

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truthful place, like just having a breath. So when I trained to

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conflict resolution, and we talked about anger, so many

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people don't realize that they have choice before that

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reaction, if they just take that moment, to start to notice

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what's going on in their body. And so we learned to see our way

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of having that come up, like I'm a real stomach person, for

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example. So I'll feel that tension in the stomach rising,

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and it's like, Oh, I feel that coming up. So can I let that

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feeling come up and just wash through because one of the

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things that I find people are afraid of, yes, if we go into

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this emotional stew, or mix, I'm never gonna get out the other

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side. And that was one of my fears. And I'm through so I can

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attest, we can get through it. And if we allow the emotion to

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come up, it usually lasts about 60 to 90 seconds. And so when we

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can let that wash over, and have that breath, it's like, oh, I

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can see I have choice when we're in stress. Breath is the only

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thing we have any choice over. And so that's the biggest thing

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is like, wow, now I can actually take a moment to say maybe I

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need to get out of this situation, maybe I need to ask

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for a timeout. If I'm in the workplace or something, maybe I

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just need to go to the washroom and take a moment to settle

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myself before I come back and not overreact, and maybe put my

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job on the line. You know, we see this right people getting

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angry, and it's like, I'm not taking this anymore. They're

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gone. And then they're in survival mode. And what can we

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learn? What can we do in survival mode, we can because

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then the old part of the brain kicks in. And we don't have that

Unknown: 00:13:56

choice. So it's about learning what are my ways of noticing

Unknown: 00:14:03

that. And with the Enneagram system, we have a centering

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practice. So I do that along with my meditation. So it's like

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two minutes breathing into the belly center, two minutes into

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the heart center, two minutes into the head center, and then a

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minute, noticing that connection to all three. So when we can

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center in all of our three centers, because we all have one

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that we prefer, we can start to bring that in, and that not just

Unknown: 00:14:33

come from that one place. Ooh, it's

Alan Carroll: 00:14:36

nice. It's nice. I like the idea of taking your

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attention and shifting it off of the thoughts the monkey mind

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that's going on inside your head and say okay, right now in this

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moment, I'm going to take two minutes and I'm going to focus

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on my my solar plexus like as I call it, my stomach area. Do

Alan Carroll: 00:15:00

interest, and then my heart, you said, my stomach, the heart,

Alan Carroll: 00:15:04

the, the head, and then and then how all three are connected,

Unknown: 00:15:09

free. Yeah, just noticing how they support each

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other and noticing our preference. So often we have two

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that we go between. So I might go ahead emotion, and I leave

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out the body or you know, some other combination depending on

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our type structure. But there's, there's a pattern to all of

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this.

Alan Carroll: 00:15:32

And by shifting your attention from the thoughts

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into your body, in my experience, the body, the monkey

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mind, or the energy or the anxiety begins to settle, calm,

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less agitation, more clarity, no, everything seems to be. But

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the challenge for me and for other people probably is you

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have to be awake in order to observe what's going on in your

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body and your emotions and your mind. And my observation is, the

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ego is not awake, the ego is operating on automatic, it's it

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doesn't it doesn't have that have that luxury of letting go

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of my position, in order to relax my body, I will not let go

Alan Carroll: 00:16:28

of my position Robin, because I'm right, and you're wrong and

Alan Carroll: 00:16:31

you better. And so in the midst of the chaos, oh, I'm gonna

Alan Carroll: 00:16:36

relax now because then I'd have to, then I have to give up

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something that's real important to me. And I'm not willing to

Alan Carroll: 00:16:43

give that up. I'm gonna hold on to that. And I, I think you're

Alan Carroll: 00:16:47

talking about letting go of things and surrendering, and

Alan Carroll: 00:16:51

I'll call it I'll use the word giving up or letting go, is that

Alan Carroll: 00:16:53

true?

Unknown: 00:16:55

Yes. And I'd like to be very practical and remind people

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that, you know, this is why we have to shower every day, we

Unknown: 00:17:04

forget ourselves again and again and again. So allowing that

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shame to come up. And this is what stops us from creating

Unknown: 00:17:11

these better patterns for ourselves, like people who want

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to do the centering practice every day or their meditation.

Unknown: 00:17:19

It's like, it's okay, this is part of what we do as humans,

Unknown: 00:17:24

but so often we make it wrong. It's like, well, I might as well

Unknown: 00:17:28

give up because I forgot a day. You know, we see this with

Unknown: 00:17:31

people and their eating plans and these healthier ways of

Unknown: 00:17:34

being they give it all up. But it's like, this is normal.

Unknown: 00:17:38

Let's, you know, forget it, and be okay with it. And allow these

Unknown: 00:17:45

feelings that are uncomfortable. So yeah, I feel some shame, I

Unknown: 00:17:49

promise to do something I didn't I promise that to myself. So am

Unknown: 00:17:54

I going to value myself enough to say it's okay? And let that

Unknown: 00:17:59

go that judgment of myself, right? We're our biggest

Unknown: 00:18:02

harshest critics. And it's like when we can bring that kindness

Unknown: 00:18:06

in and say, yeah, I forgot. And I can do it now. Or I can do it

Unknown: 00:18:12

again in the morning or, you know, maybe today I have a

Unknown: 00:18:17

schedule where I need to fit it in somewhere else. You know,

Unknown: 00:18:21

most people can find seven minutes. With the meditation

Unknown: 00:18:25

training, we ask for more upfront when we're first

Unknown: 00:18:28

building those new neural pathways. But the good news is,

Unknown: 00:18:32

right, neuroplasticity, we can learn at any age. And we need to

Unknown: 00:18:37

bring in that kindness and compassion. And let's just do

Unknown: 00:18:40

it. So I know. I see the results and other people. And this is

Unknown: 00:18:45

often how we see people coming into the meditation course their

Unknown: 00:18:48

friends take it, they notice that shift in them. And it's

Unknown: 00:18:52

like, yeah, I want that to soar, we can allow ourselves to do the

Unknown: 00:18:57

same old, same old, are we going to deal with the resistance?

Unknown: 00:19:01

Because that's the biggest piece we deal with, with the

Unknown: 00:19:05

meditation with people the resistance. And that's what

Unknown: 00:19:09

you're saying the ego rate?

Alan Carroll: 00:19:11

Right? The ego is, this shouldn't be whatever's

Alan Carroll: 00:19:16

going on. In my reality. This should not be I'm not allowing

Alan Carroll: 00:19:20

whatever's going on to be I'm judging it. And so that's I'm

Alan Carroll: 00:19:26

very much involved in understanding the resistance

Alan Carroll: 00:19:29

based on my own experience of resisting. Before we go, I just

Alan Carroll: 00:19:32

have to ask you to talk a little bit about dream coaching.

Alan Carroll: 00:19:36

Because I'm a psychologist, Guy and dreams are part of the game.

Alan Carroll: 00:19:40

And so coaching on dreams is pretty cool. So can you just

Alan Carroll: 00:19:44

talk a little bit about that before we before we complete?

Unknown: 00:19:48

Yeah, I love dreams. I have been doing a dream journal

Unknown: 00:19:51

my first year of college actually, even before I was I've

Unknown: 00:19:55

always been interested in the esoteric and the weird stuff. I

Unknown: 00:19:59

was Learning to astral travel when I was a teenager, and sure

Unknown: 00:20:04

all these things. And with a psychology background and a lot

Unknown: 00:20:08

of reading on young and universal,

Alan Carroll: 00:20:11

my goals Young as young as my Yeah.

Unknown: 00:20:15

And so in the meditation course, we have an

Unknown: 00:20:18

act of style. And we give you tools for remembering your

Unknown: 00:20:22

dreams and for dream interpretation, which is

Unknown: 00:20:24

amazing. And it's all on the archetype. And then the dream

Unknown: 00:20:29

coaching is what is that dream I want for myself. So it's a

Unknown: 00:20:33

process we go through to look at the different aspects of

Unknown: 00:20:38

bringing that dream in for ourselves. And because I've done

Unknown: 00:20:41

a lot of work with dreams, I can help you with the the alive ones

Unknown: 00:20:46

or the unconscious ones, and help you bring that out. So, you

Unknown: 00:20:51

know, it's maybe just learning to dream again, for some people

Unknown: 00:20:54

who have been stuck in this kind of pattern of just doing things

Unknown: 00:20:59

for everyone else, like I was stuck in and learning that.

Unknown: 00:21:04

Yeah, I'm important. I'm a value, and I'm going to bring

Unknown: 00:21:09

that dream for myself alive again.

Alan Carroll: 00:21:11

Wonderful. Robin, if people hear our conversation

Alan Carroll: 00:21:16

today, and they say, Wow, Robin has lots of cool stuff. How do I

Alan Carroll: 00:21:20

connect with Robin? What are some of the ways people can

Alan Carroll: 00:21:24

reach out to you and connect with you?

Unknown: 00:21:26

Sure. I'm on LinkedIn, Facebook, and the website

Unknown: 00:21:33

because I'm in Canada is a life of choice.ca. When did there's a

Unknown: 00:21:41

couple of chapters of books on there, and also have a

Unknown: 00:21:46

meditation for relationships, I can give you the link to that

Unknown: 00:21:49

you can add to the show notes if you'd like.

Alan Carroll: 00:21:51

Perfect, perfect. Well, Rob, I want to thank you

Alan Carroll: 00:21:55

very much for being on the mindful you podcast, and sharing

Alan Carroll: 00:21:59

some of your wisdom and some of your experiences that you've

Alan Carroll: 00:22:04

experienced on your personal journey and you're sharing your

Alan Carroll: 00:22:07

personal journey was very, very nice. I want to thank you very

Alan Carroll: 00:22:09

much. And on behalf of my guest and the audience, I want to

Alan Carroll: 00:22:13

thank you for being on the mindful you podcast.

Unknown: 00:22:17

Thank you so much.