On the latest episode of the Investing with Integrity podcast, I had the honor of sitting down with Dexter Lyons, senior portfolio manager of the Issachar Fund. With over 34 years of tactical risk management experience, Dexter shares his journey from diesel mechanic to faith-driven money manager, blending his passion for investing with his commitment to honoring God.

Here's what you'll learn in this inspiring conversation:

• How Dexter transitioned to Biblically Responsible Investing (BRI) and the blessings and challenges along the way.
• His unique perspective on honoring God through financial stewardship.
• Why CAN SLIM and faith-based investing make the perfect partnership.
• The transformative power of listening to the Holy Spirit in your career and decisions.

Whether you're an investor, a financial professional, or simply curious about aligning your faith with your finances, this episode will leave you inspired and encouraged.

Let us know your thoughts and favorite takeaways in the comments!

Issachar Website: www.issacharfund.com

Dexter's number: 337-983-0676

Jeff Talarico

And Dexter's passion though, is managing money and learning more about God's grace. That's something we all really strive for. He enjoys his family time, hunting, fishing, and boating at their camp on the Red River. Dexter is also actively involved in men's ministry at our Savior's Church in Lafayette, Louisiana. From 2004 to 2014, he managed money for the HCM Freedom Fund, and then he launched the Issachar Fund in 2014.

Dexter Lyons

Good, thank you, thank you, Jeff.

Jeff Talarico

The prospectus should be read carefully before investing. All right, now that all the legal stuff is out of the way, let's get into this today. Again, Dexter, welcome to the show. We're happy to have you. All right, I'm going to start off with you. The same question I ask all my guests, what is something interesting about you that most people don't know?

Dexter Lyons

Amen. Glad to be here. Praise Jesus.

Okay, good. Growing up, I built scroll traps, flowerpots, picture frames, and I thought that I wanted to be a cabinet maker when I got big. After high school, someone asked me, what was the difference between a diesel engine and a gas engine? And I didn't know, but I wanted to know. So I went to night school and became a diesel mechanic in two years. So that's something most people don't know about me.

Jeff Talarico

my gracious. So not only do you manage money very well, you could probably fix somebody's car if breaks down.

Dexter Lyons

Absolutely, I'm a jack of all trades. I'm a master of none, but I try my best at everything that I do. I'm very curious and God's blessed me with that gift.

Jeff Talarico

That's awesome. So let's talk about you and the financial industry. How did you get started? What did that look like for you?

Dexter Lyons

Well, working as a diesel mechanic, a guy opened a high-pressure blast of air as a prank, which caused the rupture disc in my neck.

that this is what I wanted to be. But God obviously had a different plan. So I interviewed several brokers and failed the personality test simply because they told me that I was just too honest. So it's like, okay, God, what do want me to do with this? I don't understand this. This is what I want to do. So I listened to a stockbroker presentation in my marketing class and a lady that was talking, her name was Carolyn.

And she said, look, I'd love to hire you, but I can't. You know, you have to pass this personality test. She said, but I know this guy, he's an independent broker. Let me just introduce you to him and see how it goes. So she introduced us and Mark, we went to lunch and Mark said, yeah, man, I'd love to hire you. He said, but I can't afford to pay you. He said, I'm barely making ends meet myself. So I agreed to work for free just to learn the business.

So while working for him, I became good at buying and selling junk bond funds in my own account based on technical analysis, which I learned by beta testing a mutual fund program called Fast Track, which I still use today. I led a Fast Track user group in the library on Sundays where I taught people how I manage my own money using Fast Track. And then members started asking me to manage their money like I was managing my own.

And then Mark asked me if I could manage his client's money like I manage my own. So like the bells, the lights started to go off. They're like, okay, this is, this is, I didn't know at the time what God was doing, but I could kind of, kind of see the, see the writing on the wall. So we decided to charge a 1 % fee instead of the standard commission that critics said would, we wouldn't survive, but God obviously had a different plan.

So I called Mark, and he wasn't happy obviously, because he was expecting a big buyout. I said, look, said, know, Direction Funds called said they're closing the fund. So that values the company at zero. He's like, wow, I didn't see that coming. And I didn't either. it must, you know, we prayed, and God answered the, answered the prayer. So I met with my pastor, and I told him my story and he said that I have the gift of understanding, and I should name the new fund Issa Car Fund. I laughed and I said, what's an Issa Car? And He said, in First Chronicles 1232, the sons of Issachar were known for their understanding of the times. I said, great. What about a symbol? He said, well, you want to honor Jesus, right? I said, well, sure. He said, Jesus is the lion of Judah. So we chose lion X. X, every mutual fund has an X at the end. So lion X is the symbol. So we signed the papers in Arizona. We went and met with the board, and they launched, and we launched a mutual fund. And then Mark, at the last minute, we went back to the room, and he said,

Jeff Talarico

Wow.

Dexter Lyons

And then he asked if I was a Christian money manager. And I said, well, yes. And then he said, well, why isn't your fund a BRI fund? And I didn't have a good answer. Then he walked away. I'm thinking, wow, this is which is weird. But I knew God had touched my heart and I knew something had to change. Ten minutes later, I see Robert Netzley, the CEO of Inspire, demonstrating his new program to identify stocks that are BRI compliant. And then I knew what I needed to do. So I asked Robert, I said, hey, can I use your Inspire insight to make my to a fund. And he said, absolutely, it's free and it's available to anyone. So I called my wife that night and told her what happened. And she says, well, you should listen to God and switch to BRI. If you heard from God, then that's what you should do. And so, okay. So I'm thinking a lot of things are going through my mind. So on my way home, Robert called and said, hey, were you serious about switching to a BRI fund? I said, absolutely. said, God touched my heart and changed my heart. I said, I'm going on with this.

So then he said, he said, well, God told me to help you in any way I can. And I was like, okay, what does that mean?

And he's like, well, we have a marketing firm that we market, we're going to help you market your fund. I'm thinking, wow, I had been praying for someone to replace Mark as the marketing guy, because I was always the guy who made the decisions, and he did the marketing. And in here, God blesses me with a marketing firm instead of a marketing person. So I was like, OK, God, I get it. You're just trying to bless me. So I said, sure.

And then in 2020, I was awarded the 2020 Integrity Award by NACFC. And at the time, when I made the decision to switch to BRI, I didn't realize that there weren't many BRI funds to invest in like I was accustomed to before switching to BRI. So I searched for the best strategy I could find for managing risk and decided that the canceling system that William O'Neill founded made the most sense to me. And I've been doing that for about

well, for about four years now, and it takes about three to five years for it to marry the canceling system with your personality. And I'm in my fourth year and I'm ready to reap the rewards that God is ready to bless me with. So that's kind of the story.

Jeff Talarico

Dexter Lyons

Amen.

Jeff Talarico

BRI. And I know there's a big contention and I'm not knocking those that are Christian or that are CKAs that are not doing BRI, but I was convicted. I came back and I told my assistant, I said, we're blowing up the book. And she goes, what do you mean? I said, I run a discretionary practice, and that part of my practice is going to be nothing but BRI. And I explained what it was to her and she's a believer and she was all over it.

Dexter Lyons

Yeah. I love it.

Jeff Talarico

That has been the best thing that my practice has ever done. God has honored it through there. I've been the peaks and the valleys, but he has been there the entire way. And it really was something that happened at the Kingdom Advisors Conference. And I think I met you the first time at the NACFC Conference in Nashville. I believe that's the one that we met at. And for those that are listening, NACFC is the National Association of Christian Financial Consultants.

Dexter Lyons

Amen. Yeah.

Jeff Talarico

It's another organization like Kingdom Advisors that we're members of. But you hit the nail on the head. You said Mark asked you the question, are you a Christian money manager or are you a money manager who's a Christian? And I use that all the time. There are Christian financial advisors, but many of them are just financial advisors who happen to be Christian. And that's not what I want to be. I want to honor God in everything that we do and everything that we talk about.

Dexter Lyons

Yeah. Amen.

Jeff Talarico

And again, I've been blessed by it as you have, and it's just an amazing journey. So that's cool. That's cool.

Dexter Lyons

Yeah, yeah,

Jeff Talarico

Okay, we've mentioned a couple times about biblically responsible investing. Why don't you tell us a little bit about what that means to you?

Dexter Lyons

Well, first of all, I realize it all belongs to God. Everything that I have is from God and for God and He's basically...allowed me to use it. And me as a son and him as a dad, I want to honor him with everything that he's blessed me with. I see it as a father and son relationship, and I don't want to do anything that would make my father not proud of me. So I try to just be responsible and just do what I think is right in his eyes. And BRI just seems like a good fit for that. I mean, I don't want to invest in things that that would upset him or that would rub him wrong. I wanna make him proud. So that's the way I view VRI. It's a father-son relationship and I wanna make him proud.

Jeff Talarico

an interesting way to look at it. I have not thought about it that way. I look at it as, you know, what's biblical and what's not. What's honoring God with what we do versus what's not. You know, and society today is so messed up. you know, the old saying is, towards the end times, what is good will become evil and what is evil will become good. And I think we really start to see some of that in today's society with, you know, all the different wokeness that's out there and things that are going on that that some people just don't. They don't get it. And I'm so glad to be part of a community of believers that we're not trying to force our convictions and our beliefs on the world. We're just investing a different way.

Dexter Lyons

Right.

It's like, here's the way I see it. It's like a father and son. Okay. If you had a son and you gave him something and he said, thank you, dad. And he said, by the way, dad, I'm sorry for not listening to you. should have listened to you. I'm sorry. And thank you for that gift. What would you do as a father to that son? You would like, wow, that's my son. And not only that you would want to bless him with more because he, he appreciates what you've done and he values you as a dad. And it's like, I just view it as a father and son relationship. And I believe that that's what he would want me to do. He would want me to be a wise steward of what he's blessed me with. And I don't do it to get blessings. I do it because I just think that's the right thing to do. And like I said, I wanna make him proud.

Jeff Talarico

Yeah, the heart is the center of it all. So do you give to get, or do you give because that's the right thing to do? So there are, there is a sect of society in the investment world, like those, like your board that said, you don't want to do that. They think that when you invest in this type of investing, biblically responsible investing, our returns aren't going to be good.

Dexter Lyons

Yeah. No. It's the right thing to do. It's the way I feel it. See you.

Jeff Talarico

It's going to cost too much to do this. So how do you combat that with your shareholders, people that you talk to? How do you reconcile the tension between financial returns and adhering to the values that we have?

Dexter Lyons

Well, that's a good question. I just view it as it's what God has put on my heart and it may not be for everyone in the fund, but I believe, like I said, it is the right thing to do. And if it makes sense to me, it's probably gonna make sense to God and I wanna honor him. I really do. So I just believe that if I do these things that honor him, He's gonna bless the performance. And ultimately, it's all by His grace that I get to see things through His eyes and experience life the way He sees it. And that's just what I'm looking for. I'm just trying to do what Jesus would do if He were here right in front of me walking alongside Him, which I know He is in spirit. I got the Holy Spirit in him and I know He's leading me and guides me, but there's this other part, there's this other voice in my head is from Dexter, hey, let's do this, you know? But the Holy Spirit's the one that's really ultimately in control and I try to discern my voice from the Holy Spirit voice and do what Jesus would have me do.

Jeff Talarico

Awesome, that's a fantastic answer, so I appreciate that. tell us, you mentioned a little bit about using Inspire screening program. How else do you help your investors ensure that the companies that you're including in your BRI portfolios align with the biblical mission?

Dexter Lyons

It's funny you asked that question because I just had a conversation with my board the other day that said that, wow, know, the SEC is coming down hard on these BRI firms and, you know, they want to make sure that you're adhering to what you said in the prospectus and.

Tell us about your method of how do go about picking stocks? said, well, in my perspectives, said that I'm going to use, I'm not going to invest in stocks that have a zero, I'm only going to invest in stocks that have a zero or higher impact score from Inspire.

And they said, OK, but how do you know that? I said, well, I'm not in the business of identifying companies that have these that are BRI compliant. said, but Inspire is and not only that, Evaluator is. And they said, well, who's Evaluator? I said, well, that's the competition to Inspire. They kind of do the same thing, but they look at it from different angles.

And I said, in practice, I use both. And they said, what do you mean? I said, well, if it doesn't pass the Inspire score or the, I mean, it has to pass the Inspire score and it has to pass the evaluator test for me to buy it. And they said, oh, well, that's good. We need to put that into perspective. I said, no, no, no, no, I don't want to put that into perspective. I don't want to change it. I said, let's just keep it like it is. But I said, in practice, I want the best of the best. And I feel that if Inspire and Evaluator say it's a clean stock, then it's clean. But I want to leave the prospectus like it is and say, I'm only going to use Inspire. And they said, OK, well, can you document that? I said, sure, I'll document it and I'll have it on file for the SEC audit. And I don't have a problem telling it to them, but I don't want to put in prospectus and create a bunch of red tape and a bunch of more expense to the fund. said it's not worth that and they said OKAY we understand well as long you can document it that's great we feel very comfortable with that with that answer. I said we're

Jeff Talarico

Yeah, it's really interesting that compliance departments, at times we've gotten away from being business leaders and how can we proactively do business to always CYA and making sure that what we're doing is exactly because, you know, big brother's watching and if we do it wrong, you know, and again, running a discretionary practice, I have to do a lot of that too. And I'm not doing what you do. I'm not out there just picking stocks and running a fund. I've got

Dexter Lyons

Exactly.

Jeff Talarico

different conservative through aggressive portfolios. But I have to adhere to those the way I do it and I have to stick with it and that methodology works. And as long as we are in practice doing what we say we're gonna do, I think God's got its protection. I really do, I believe that with all my heart.

Dexter Lyons

He's got his hand on us and he's got his hand on this great country too. So, praise Jesus for that.

Jeff Talarico

I believe that. I believe that you know, investing in BRI is one way. We also have some of the firms that we deal with have what's called stewardship investing, where it's a little bit different, but it's the same. Does that play involve, is that involved in you at all? Do you do any type of stewardship investing?

Dexter Lyons

No, I don't. But the way I see it is if I do good for my shareholders that are in the fund, they're going to make a lot of money and they're going to have a lot of money to give and God's going to put it on their heart to give. You know, God loves a cheerful giver. And that's the way I see it. I, you know, I'm not going to say you have to do this or have to do that or or or impose my beliefs on them. I'm just going to make them as much money as I can, manage the risk and the fun, and they'll have money to give. And God's going to work on their heart, just like he worked on mine.

Jeff Talarico

And you do something pretty unique with your fund. I believe that you're set up where you can go to cash if you have that. Why don't you talk about how those decisions get made?

Dexter Lyons

Yeah, exactly.

Well, from day one, I always, always said when I started with Mark, it's like, the most important thing to me is my money and my account. So I'm gonna give everything that I got to manage in my account. And then Mark's like, well, can you manage this class of investors, clients a certain way? And in this class, I said, no, I wanna treat everyone the same because I wanna put all my focus on my account.

And I said, if I'm putting all my focus on my account and you have everybody managing money exactly like my account, then we're all, there's no conflict of interest. I'm all in. I created this fund.

Jeff Talarico

None.

Dexter Lyons

Jeff Talarico

Okay, cool. Let's change gears a little bit here and talk about your work life. I'm assuming you have a staff that's not just you sitting there, correct?

Dexter Lyons

No, it's just me. Well, actually, now that you asked the question, my two boys, one of them was going to college, graduated from college and wanted to be an attorney. And he called his mom the other day and said, Hey, mom, I don't want to be an attorney. And she's like, wait, wait a minute. That's all you ever talked about. He said, yeah, but I want to do what dad does. It's like,

Jeff Talarico

Just you, okay?

Dexter Lyons

Okay, well that's been my prayer. That's been my dream to be able to bring my boys into the business. So my oldest son, 24, said, hey, I want to learn what you learned. Can you teach me? said, sure. So we started doing conference calls. And then my other son, my 22 year old said, hey, I want learn too. So anyway, long story short, for the last year, we've been on a conference call with IBD Live, Investors Business Daily Live. It's a thing that goes around the country, like 2,500 investors every morning from 820 to 10 o'clock, we get on a conference call and we listen to four professional advisors that are using the canceling system. And we can hear them discuss their ideas. And then my boys and I can talk in kind of in the background and listen to them and we kind of communicate. So it's a perfect training ground for me to teach them everything that I know, and it's alive and it's unscripted and it's just, it's all God. If you'd asked me, can you design a plant? I would have never came up with this, but it was just, it just happened and I know when things like that happen, I know it's God. So.

Jeff Talarico

So if you're able to talk a little bit about this system, this canceling system. I've never heard of that.

Dexter Lyons

Yeah. Really? Well, William O'Neill is a self-made multi-billionaire. He recently passed. And 30, 40 years ago, he wanted to design the best money management system for his money. He wanted a system for his money. So he found the best money managers around the world, and he studied them. And he came to this conclusion that they pretty much the very best have these characteristics about them.

Can Slim, C-A-N-S-L-I-M. C stands for current earnings. A stands for annual earnings. N stands for a new product. S stands for sponsorship. He wants to stock with institutional sponsorship. L stands for leadership. He wants the stock to be a leader in the industry. I stands for institutional demand and in M the most important one is market if the markets in the right going in the right if it's in a bull market that tides gonna lift a lot of boats if it's in a bear market it's gonna pull up a lot of boats down so he came up with the acronym CANSLIM and

He did it for 50 years and he wrote several books and then he wrote, he decided to compete with Wall Street Journal and he came up with the Investors Business Daily newspaper just for individual investors. And then he says, okay, well, the individual investors are, they have an advantage, I mean, the institutional investors have an advantage over the individual. So he decided to come up with the IBD newspaper. So.

He said, okay, well, I'm selling my data, my research to the institutions, but I want to give it to the retail guys like us, know, common people, average people. So he wrote several books on how he managed his own money. And I went to several classes learning around the country, hearing him speak, trying to understand it. And like I said in my intro, it takes about three to five years to get it, and adapt it to your personality. So I'm in my fourth year and I'm finally starting to put the pieces together and it kind of makes sense because what you're looking for is you're looking for stocks that have accelerating earnings and sales over the last three quarters. So if XYZ companies producing a bunch of widgets and their sales are going up 20, 25, 30 % in the last three quarters and their earnings are going up 35, 40%, 50 % in the subsequent quarters, they're doing something right and they're making a lot of money in it. So that's what I look for. And that's what the Can Slim system looks for. It's for looking for companies that are the best of the best and that are producing the sales and the earnings to back up that performance. So that's it in a nutshell. Yeah.

Jeff Talarico

Okay, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. So since you've made this move and since the Holy Spirit has convinced you that this is the way to go it, you're getting to live out your faith every day at work. How is that for you? Is that satisfying? Is it gratifying? So let's talk about that for a little bit.

Dexter Lyons

absolutely. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Now, not everyone agrees with the route that I've chosen. But that's OK. You know, like I tell them, God changed my heart. And I just so happen to be the portfolio manager of of a mutual fund. He didn't change your heart or your heart or her heart, but he changed mine. And I can't go back. can't unsee what I've seen. So, you know,

I'm just doing what I think God wants me to do with the position and the responsibility and the relationships and the assets that he's placed under my stewardship. So I'm just doing what I think Jesus would want me to do if he were standing right beside me saying, Dexter, look at this, look at that, look at this. I just believe in my heart. That's what Jesus would have me do is to honor him. And that's what I'm trying to do.

Jeff Talarico

So, you know, if you bring your boys into the fold here, are we looking at possibly creating other funds alongside? Just stick with this one.

Dexter Lyons

No, no, just stick with this one because I don't want to have my hands in so many fires because I want to be focused and I want to give all my attention to this fund and I want to give the shareholders the best that God has blessed me with.

Jeff Talarico

a great answer because almost everybody you talk to is looking for the next one, the next one. And sometimes, sometimes there can be too many, there can be way too many. So have you have you yourself faced any hurdles personally and how did you overcome them in this type of industry doing what we're doing?

Dexter Lyons

Yeah. No, I'm content. I'm content. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah, I mean, when I first launched, when I first mentioned that I was going to go to BRI, I lost a lot of money. mean, lost people just said, no, you've gone off on the deep end, know, there's no, we signed up for and I knew that I was that was going to happen. But, you know, God had changed my heart and I wasn't I wasn't going to I wasn't going to go back and change my mind. It was a done deal. So I lost a few shareholders and few clients, few friends.

Even family members for that matter. But you know what? I believe it's still the right thing to do. Like I said earlier, I'm just trying to honor God with what he's blessed me with.

Jeff Talarico

great.

You know, it's interesting that you say that you did lose some people. When I blew up my practice, the one client, the one that did not want to do this was a pastor. It blew me away. And I've had this discussion with Robert Netzley at Inspire as well. And he ran into that very same thing when he left Wells and started doing this. It's like the one person that you think would get it just doesn't get it.

Dexter Lyons

Wow, yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Talarico

And that's okay. mean...

Dexter Lyons

It is,it is because the way I see it, God hasn't touched their heart yet, like he touched mine. And I can't explain it. It's kind of like love, you know, tell me about love. Well, you know, I know it when I see it. I see it in my wife. I see it in my kids. But can I explain it to you? No, it's just, it's just, I know that it's, I know that it's the right thing to do. And like I said, I just believe in my heart that

God's gonna bless it and I'm not doing it to get his blessings. I just know that he's going to bless it. And he's opened this door for this mutual fund. People have asked, well, what's it gonna take for you to close it? It's like, I'm not gonna close it. God's gonna have to close the door. It's gonna have to be a sign from God because the way I see it, he made this path clear for me. And...

I don't have a plan B, this is it. I'm doing what I love to do. I love to manage money. I love looking at charts and it's kind of like, yeah, I do. I look at a chart and I'm like, wow, that chart's jumping off the screen at me. It's kind of like, like lobing the Bible and you see a verse like, wow, God's speaking to me. Well, the charts kind of.

Jeff Talarico

You're one of those.

Dexter Lyons

I don't know, maybe speak to me in a different language, but I just see things that other people don't see and that's okay. It's just, that's the way I'm wired. And I believe it's a gift from God because he's, he's, he's wired me this way.

Jeff Talarico

So you mentioned that Mark Minnelli had maybe the pivotal point to get you to start thinking this way. And Mark has recently joined Faith Investor Services with his practice. And he started something last year at the Kingdom Advisors Conference, and it's this initiative called Rescue 1T. You're very familiar with it? Okay. I think it's an amazing thing that he's doing. And you, by managing the fund that you're doing,

Dexter Lyons

Yeah. Yeah, I saw the video. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeff Talarico

That plays a big part into this rescuing $1 trillion in this BRI space. And that won't even scratch the surface of what the market truly is. So I think that's great. is, he's intertwined with so many of the guests that I've had. He's touched so many of their lives. He's just a good guy. And he hasn't even been on the show yet. So I'm working on him next. I've had three other people from Faith Investor on the show, but not Mark. We'll get him on soon. We'll get him on soon.

Dexter Lyons

No.

Jeff Talarico

So let me ask you, where do you see the industry heading in the next five to 10 years?

Dexter Lyons

Well, I believe God's hand is on it. And I believe, you know, he touched Art Alley's heart 20 something years ago. Art started it. No, 30 something. Yeah. So he started. So praise Jesus for that. And it's only gotten bigger and better because God continues to bless it. So 10 years from now, I think it's going to be enormous. We can't imagine how big it's going to be because when God changes a heart, it's like it's like you get it and you just want to just multiply the kingdom once you get it and you just want to basically receive the love from God and then you want to share it with your neighbor and this is I believe part of sharing it with your neighbor sharing the love so I believe it's gonna be bigger and better because God's gonna bless it.

Jeff Talarico

That's incredible. We're getting close to time on this, but I'm going to end with the same last question that I ask everybody else, while there's actually two. The first one is, if there were three people dead or alive that you could have a conversation with, who would they be and why? And you can't choose Jesus.

Dexter Lyons

Okay, well, I guess the first one would be Paul in the Bible. You know, he obviously had an encounter with Jesus and I would just love to sit down and pick his brain about, you know, how do you discern the voice of Paul versus the voice of the Holy Spirit? So I would love to be able to pick his brain about that. And that would be cool. The other one would be Solomon. I mean, wisdom. Don't we all want wisdom?

Solomon asked for wisdom and he gave it to him the Bible says all you have to do is ask for wisdom and I ask for wisdom every day and I believe God's given it to me, but sometimes it gets distorted in my head between wisdom and Dexter so I would like to Sit down with with Solomon and then the third guy is a guy named Paul white he has he's got a he's an itinerant pastor that I've been listening to for about five years now and He has transformed my walk with Jesus incredibly for the good. It's just, he loves to talk about God's grace and he explains it in a way that I had never heard before. I grew up Catholic and I got married in a Catholic church. And then my partner Mark led me to Jesus. He was an elder in the church. I forgot to mention that, but he was an elder in his church and he led me to Jesus. it just like...

I thought the Catholic religion was the thing to do. And then when I learned about the Protestant movement, it's like, wow, okay, that's great. That's awesome. But the grace movement, the understanding God's grace and the way Paul White explains it, it's just another level that I can't get enough of. really, part of my daily routine is I listen to Paul White's daily devotionals. He has like a seven minute devotional.

And it's incredible. I have learned so much from listening to him. I never met him, but I would love to meet him and sit down and pick his brain. So yeah, those are the three people I'd love to meet.

Jeff Talarico

awesome. So okay, last question, it's real simple. What is it that I didn't ask you that you're just dying to talk to? Tell us about

Dexter Lyons

I think we covered a lot. I can't think of anything right now other than, if people want to know more about what I do and why I do it, write every Monday that I send it out. It's very simple. It's one page, three paragraphs. I try to keep it in three sections. I write that blog, post it on my website, and I email it to anybody who's interested. If you want, they can reach out to me, dexter at isacarfund.com or dexter at lionx.net if you can't spell Issachar.

Jeff Talarico

I will put the website and your phone number if you want me to in the show notes. That way people can look it up and see that and then we'll go from there. So Dexter, thank you so much for being part of our show today. I think the more that we can get out there about BRI, about investing with integrity, using God's resources for good and not evil is going to be the best way for us to go. So thanks for being on the show today. We appreciate you. Have a great day.

Dexter Lyons

Amen. bless.