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Welcome to the invest like a pro podcast, teaching you diversified

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inflation beating wealth for your future and recurring income for today.

And now your host, former JP Morgan, investment manager, Manish Kataria.

Hello and welcome back., In this episode, we'll show you how

having the right mindset is crucial to your success as an investor.

So today I've got a very special guest with us.

Peter Dean.

Now Peter is a highly successful investor in his own right, and he's also a coach

on our investment academy program.

so Peter runs the investor mindset class on our program.

And actually today's episode, is all about investor mindset, and he's going

to explain how important that side is.

how we think about investing is really what separates successful

investors from the average ones.

And that's why I thought, this episode would be really important

for us to just get that grounding in terms of how you think.

As an investor, and usually, if someone's looking to invest, the first question

you might ask is, well, which stocks should I be buying, or, which ETFs

or which funds or options or crypto coins, and inside which platforms?

Now, all of those things are really important questions.

And we absolutely have to cover those off.

And and we cover those in our investment academy very, very clearly, we give you

all of that information in a clear way.

But that's not what we master first.

we first focus on how to think like an investor, and that's the critical

thing because, that's really what's going to move the needle and help

you secure your financial future.

That's why, after doing the Investment Academy.

So many people leave, as successful lifelong investors.

we don't just tell them what to invest in.

We train them how to invest in any situation for the long term.

And that really comes down to how to think as an investor, which, which

Peter is going to explain and go through in a bit more detail with us today.

And really that's why people obtain great returns over the long term.

If they're able to think.

In the proper way and think as an investor, so, I know Peter, you're going

to explain a lot more, about, what I've just talked about there by way of an

intro, Peter is a successful, multi asset, investor across, different asset classes,

different, across property stocks, options, crypto, So, and regular ETFs.

Peter also qualified as, an investment coach.

as I mentioned, he's a coach on our investment academy.

So welcome to the podcast, Peter.

I guess two questions.

Did I, explain all of the asset classes, you're invested in?

Did I miss anything out?

No, I think you've got them all.

Thank you, Manish.

And thanks very much for inviting me to your podcast.

Looking forward to it.

Great.

Okay.

So glad we've covered all of that off.

So I guess the first question for you, Peter, before you dive into, you

know, your content, which is super fascinating by the way, what do you

think makes a successful investor?

what do you think a, a good investor, how do you think a

good investor thinks differently compared to an average investor?

Sure.

Good, good.

Great question.

I think one of the, it's an equal balance between having the knowledge.

But having the right behaviors and being aware of your behaviors and being as,

as, as calm and as rational as you can possibly be, when you're investing.

And that isn't always easy.

That isn't always easy.

So when I, I trained as a financial coach, and one of the things that fascinated me,

during that training was understanding how your mind works in relation to money.

Because money is a very emotional topic.

Really, it's, it's ridden with emotion, good and bad at times.

and everybody thinks when they're making investment decisions that they're

behaving rationally, nine times out of 10, it's your emotions that are

driving that decision rather, rather than your, your, your rational mind.

And, I'm trying to explain that it's, everybody knows rationally what to

do in terms of managing that money.

Okay, you all, you all, everybody knows, we all know that, the

secret to being building wealth is.

Don't spend everything you earn.

Save and invest the difference wisely.

There you go.

Everybody knows that.

All right.

That's no rocket science.

That's the secret of financial well being.

But why don't we all do it?

if we all did it, we'd all be successful investors.

None of us would have any, any bad debts.

we'd all be able to retire early with a great pension,

with a great big pension fund.

If only, if only, our mind sometimes gets in the way and trips us up.

Absolutely.

And, and, and that is so critical because when in the day to day sort of action

of investing, when we're looking at our portfolios, it's hard to separate the

emotion from the rational side of things.

and, and also just related to what you said, information is all around us.

So we can, you know, if you wanted to learn about stocks and, various

other investment vehicles, there's tons of information out there

on, on YouTube, everything else.

Yeah.

But really the key thing is how do you go about implementing that?

How do you go about thinking about investing and not just today, but, Around

the corner when there are events going on, when there's market volatility, if

there's a bit of a, like we saw during COVID, we had a, you know, a crash.

What do people think around those times?

What is the correct way to think, right?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

You need to be aware that sometimes your mind, well, normally, always,

your mind will wander and do things you don't want to do, first of all.

Okay, it'll be too excited, it'll be too scared.

It'll be, it'll be too angular, it'll be frustrated.

That's, that's how your mind works.

And, and, when we get a chance, Fight or flight.

Exactly that.

Fight or flight.

Exactly that.

And, and we'll go into that in a little bit more detail when I show a couple of

slides and that's one of the things we need to be aware of, and the last, the

worst thing we can do is fight that.

We need to be aware of that, understand that it's going on, and

develop tactics to let it calm down, to let your mind calm down before

you make any investment decisions.

Absolutely, absolutely.

It's so important.

I mean, we were talking about this the other day, and we were talking

about, we've had, We had the last significant market crash was during

COVID, which is actually about was about five years ago now, right?

I look back at that time, and, I was buying around that time,

buying some investments, thinking about, picking up some bargains.

But actually, if I look back now.

I would so love to turn back the clock and just buy up a lot more, right?

Because it was, now it looks so obvious that it was Yeah,

yeah, yeah, of course it does.

it's short term interaction.

But if you remember that time, we were all just, running scared.

It was that, that whole fear and every instinct in our body was telling us

to get out of all of our investments.

Exactly.

And looking back now, we should have been buying.

But you know, all of this comes down to mindset, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

What you're going to be talking about.

Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah.

Shall I, shall I share a couple of slides?

Yeah, let's let's share some information.

Now, if you're listening to this on the podcast, obviously, you won't

have access to the slides, which Peter is about to share with us.

But what we'll do is we'll, we'll put the we'll put the slides and

the images into the show notes.

So you'll have access to them.

those while you're listening in.

So yeah, feel free to share some information there, Peter.

Okay, so the first, the first point I want to make, and just, just a few slides

to talk through here, is that we're not biologically wired to be good with

money, or for that matter, investing.

And, and the reason why that happens is that our brains were

formed millions of years ago.

prehistoric man, primitive man, that's where our brains

had their, have their genesis.

And, life was very, very tough there.

They had two things to do, basically, to hunt for food and

avoid being hunted for food.

And life expectancy was, well, roughly about mid 30s or something like that.

So, life was very short.

There was no long term future.

Everything was very much in the moment.

Although their senses had to be primed to danger and been able to fight or flight

as you mentioned earlier, and that's how our brains were formed during that time.

And because they're the longest, most established part of our brain, that, that

is where our prime emotions come from.

That primitive man is where our emotions come from.

But any decision, not just money, not just investing, but in particular

money or investment because they're loaded with emotions.

There's a great book called The Chimp Paradox by, by Steve Peters.

That goes into this and explains it really well in a really simple way.

Steve Peters, some of your listeners may be aware of the name.

He was one of the coaches, did some work with the British Olympics team for 2012.

And he's done some work with other famous sportsmen since.

And he explained that the three main parts of our brain work together.

And that they are the frontal part, which is our human part.

The limbic.

Which is our original chimp part, he refers to it as.

So that's, that's the bit that dates right back down to, right, right,

way the way back to prehistoric man.

And the paratial part, which is the logic part of the computer,

where we store information.

Where, it's our shortcut to information.

It's where we don't have to think about every single thing we do, because we

instantly know that that's how to do it.

Such as tie our shoelaces, or make a cup of tea, or anything, anything like that.

We store all that information.

It's, it's, it's instantaneous.

now, the, the, the important part to remember about how these paths work

together is that your chimp part is five times stronger than your human part.

So that's the bit that is, is built in to protect prehistoric man and to, and

to make it a successful hunter gatherer.

It's, it's very emotional, it's very quick, it's very spontaneous,

it's very in the moment.

and which can be both good and bad, but the point is that it's instant.

It's quick.

It's very, very, very emotional.

If you try and argue, imagine yourself trying to argue in your mind with that,

with the chimp, but you won't win.

Your logical part, which is your human brain, it won't win that in the

time because the chimp is stronger.

Our emotions are stronger than our logic.

At this time.

So the trick really is to let it calm down.

It wears itself out.

It can't.

It takes up so much energy, so much energy.

Imagine when you're frustrated about things or you're angry or

you're emotional or you're happy.

It uses a lot of energy.

So it takes up so much energy from our minds, but eventually it does calm down.

So need to be aware when that's happening in an investing context, but

also but also in your everyday life.

It's useful to have in your everyday life.

Let it calm down.

How many times have you got involved in an argument, had a blazing row

with somebody, only to regret it later and think, that was a bit silly.

And of course, it is silly, we don't look back and it's silly, but in the

moment, in that time, it's important.

And your chimp is getting you to do this.

That's really fascinating, Peter, and I guess Just thinking about what you've

just been saying, if we apply it to investing, is it, is it fair to say that,

emotions get the better of us, right?

So when we are looking at, newspaper articles or social media posts, or, when,

when people are just fear mongering, et cetera, Is it fair to say, given

what you've just said about this, this sort of chimp paradox idea, is

it fair to say that actually what we should be doing is, is yes, okay, just,

almost ignoring the highly sort of emotional aspects of investing and, and

really just focusing on the evidence?

Is it, is that fair?

fair to just keep it to the evidence and, and keep it

rational from that perspective?

Yeah, absolutely.

keep it to the evidence.

Let your, let your human part of your brain do its work.

Cause it's, it knows the right thing to do.

It's the logical part.

It gets, it gets taken over by the chimp part initially, but

it knows what to do eventually.

Okay.

It, it will always know what to do.

It knows the right thing to do.

Your emotions sometimes.

Of course, you do the wrong thing to do.

So we can come on to a couple more tips now, but the most important tip at the

moment is don't do anything in a hurry.

When you're looking to make an investment decision, don't do it in

a hurry because it's your emotions that are driving that decision.

Probably don't do anything when you're too excited or depressed.

So equal way, just don't, just don't make investment decisions.

When you're in that frame of mind, calm yourself down.

however that works for you, read a book, go for a walk, go to the gym,

do something to calm yourself down and get that chimp out of your mind.

Get your rational mind working.

Have a pause.

Before you're actually going to make an investment decision, even if you

come to that decision, maybe sleep on it, or maybe just leave it a few hours.

Nothing is so urgent.

Very little things are so urgent that they won't wait with another, with

another little 24 hours to, to, to pause.

And then if you come back to it with your rational mind, and you think,

yeah, it's still the right decision.

More than likely, it is the right decision at that stage.

But if you come when you think about it and think, hmm, yeah,

maybe it, well, that maybe wasn't, maybe it wasn't the right decision.

Yeah, I completely agree with that.

And that reminds me of this whole, there's, there's a whole sort of

separation between trading and investing.

And I'm always reminding people, to, to, to invest and don't trade.

And there's a big difference between the two, the trading side.

I think, involves, and now you've just talked about this idea.

I think it really fully utilizes the chimp side of your brain, right?

The trading side.

Because you're responding to, to, to things and events

and what people are saying.

Whereas investing, you're keeping a cool head and you're just.

Focusing on what's always worked now, that's not always easy, but you just need

to learn how to invest in the right way.

But once you've learned how to do that, it's a forever thing, right?

And that and that forces you to, or teaches you how to think about what's

always worked and the evidence rather than reacting to short term events.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

let's move on.

So, yeah, some concepts that exist in terms of how this can affect you as an

investor, that I think would be helpful for the listeners to be aware of.

One of the things is that we fear loss more than we value gain.

It's a strange concept to, to, to understand, but actually because

we've hold, because we have something, because we've already possess it,

we're worried about losing it.

More than we are about gaining something because we can't

really envisage it as well.

We haven't, we haven't got it now.

That's, that's a concept that works across a number of a number of things.

But in an investment context, this can mean sometimes that we

make the wrong decisions because if we're sitting on a loss.

And it might well be a loss that we'd be better to crystallize.

Sometimes, sometimes we hang on to that too much because we

don't want to make that loss.

Yeah, because we know that our rational minds may know that

actually, that's not the right investment for us to be in anymore.

It's not the, not every investment we make is always going to be

always going to be a winner.

We know that we know that they get the, the, the trick of investing is to get

more winners than losers and win overall.

That's what we do.

so sometimes you need to recognize the loss and walk away from it, and,

and sometimes almost that's like, it's a bit like admitting defeat.

don't get, again, a little bit emotionally, attached to that.

Don't get too personally attached to your investments.

It's another great treat to keep in mind.

so bear that in mind.

Yeah.

I think just, just to add to that, Peter is, this whole idea of a fear

of loss, is sometimes, overtakes.

The pleasure from the gain and which is right there just to kind of an

example of that is, where I see this, translate into where people don't

don't invest and, people hold on to cash for true for far too long.

So they hold on to too much cash for too long.

Purely from the fear of pain of loss.

And actually, when we are investing.

All going back to the evidence, right?

Going back to the evidence, the evidence suggests that investing, particularly

in, in, in stocks has, has made, a very, consistent eight to 12 percent per annum.

Obviously we don't make gains every year, but that's.

Part of the game that goes with the territory, right?

Historically, it's been a very, lucrative asset class, but what

people fear is the pain from loss.

So, so the, it's almost like a, a sense of security to sit in cash for far too long.

And I would say, look, be aware of inflation because anyways, cash is by

far the worst asset class out there.

So yeah.

So this kind of, Just reminded me of that sort of that's a really that's a really

good good point manager Absolutely, right and some of that some of that

can manifest itself in procrastination So people may be fearful about loss

or maybe thinking well, you know

There's been big gains in that in that in that particular

etf or that particular stock.

So, I wish i'd invested 20 20 years ago, whatever and so yeah, maybe maybe

you'd have been better there But you haven't got that 10 That might have been

the best time to invest the best time to invest for you right now So think

about overcoming that fear of loss and actually dipping your toes in logically.

and, and, and begin, begin your investment journey, so don't let that hold you back.

Totally.

And if you're really cautious, pound cost average in because that enables you to,

drip feed money in without going all in.

Absolutely.

another concept, herd mentality, following what everybody else does.

we, we can all, we're all guilty of this because, the reason why we do

this is that we're social animals.

we want to be seen to be in the crowd, doing the same as everyone else.

We don't want to stand out.

So sometimes we're making decisions that just because everybody else is

making, we want to make decisions as well, those decisions as well.

Now, it isn't always going to be the right decision.

And it certainly isn't always going to be the right decision

for your individual circumstances.

And so just because everybody else is doing something, it doesn't

always make it right at all.

Going the other way, there's, there's, there's a concept called confirmation

bias, which basically means that we seek to find out information that

reinforces our view, and we only look for that information, and we

become completely blind to all the information, all the wad of information

that actually challenges our view.

again, it's a natural, it's reinforcing our, our, our, our self belief that

we need to be open to that, and we need to make sure that when we.

When we assess something and when we ongoing assess our investments, make

sure that we're taking in all all considered points of view as well and

not just not just going blindly on our own confirmation bias as well.

Yeah, very important.

Absolutely.

And the last one I just want to talk about briefly on here is, is, is

FOMO, the famous fear of missing out, linked heavily to, to herd mentality.

the problem with, with, with fear of missing out is that very often

you will end up doing things in haste, for the wrong reasons, again,

because everybody else is doing it.

And moreover, you end up doing it at the wrong time, very wrong time, because when

everybody else is going into something.

That's usually the time where it might be due some sort of correction.

So you can end up buying into a stock or an ETF just because everybody else

is buying into it and conversely, selling out at the wrong time when

other people are selling out as well.

So be consistent in your own investing approach.

Don't dive into an investment because of FOMO or out of

investment because of FOMO as well.

Absolutely.

I see that a lot, FOMO, herd mentality, and you, you, you see that and, the one

easy way to mitigate that, those biases is to, is to be diversified, right?

So there's nothing wrong with playing individual stocks and.

Cryptos and, and, and things like that, make sure you're positioned properly.

So if, if most of your portfolio is properly diversified, even if you

get the herd mentality FOMO wrong slightly, and if you fall for that

trap, which you shouldn't, as Peter's mentioned, you should try and think

about, not joining that, that crowd.

But even if you do, as long as you're properly diversified, it won't be

so painful when it goes against you.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And the last concept I just want to refer to is something called present bias, and

that is very much the fact that we are happy, we are happier, happiest living

in the now, rather than the future.

We find it hard to envisage our future selves.

And going back to prehistoric man, that's mainly because that part of our brain was

formed, the strongest part of our brain.

There wasn't a future self to look forward to, in the sense that there is

now, with the life expectancy of mid 30s.

Now this goes a long way to explain why people don't maybe start that

investment journey, and certainly a long way to explain why people don't

save as much for their future self, in particular pensions, as they should do.

They know they need to, they know they should, but they don't.

Now, of course there's sometimes financial concerns holding that back.

As well, we need to live in the moment and spend about,

everyday spending taken care of.

Nonetheless, if we had a bigger and better appreciation of our future self, we'd be

much better longer term investors as well.

So long term timeframe is what we always need to think of.

We invest for decades, not days.

Yeah, totally.

And, and that is so important, having that long term horizon is so important.

we, I think about Warren Buffett, right?

Warren Buffett is, how old is he?

94, I think now?

Yeah, something like that.

And when people ask Warren Buffett what his time horizon

is, he says it's forever, right?

Because, and the reason for that is because And I think we should all have

that same same mindset, because when we're investing, we're not just investing

for ourselves, we're investing for our future generations, hopefully, we can

pass, pass on assets to generations.

And, and really, that and that's why we should be responsible investors, not just

for our future security, for for others.

around us, I think.

And just the final thing on time on long term investing, it reminds me of a story.

I don't know if you probably heard it, Peter, it's the fidelity story.

And yes, some of the some of our listeners may have heard of it.

But and the reason I mentioned this is because it's so important.

This Actually, what Peter's saying has huge, real consequences for

how well you'll do as an investor.

So this Fidelity story was, it's a really famous story.

And, so you probably heard of Fidelity, the investment platform.

It's a, it's a huge U. S. based investment platform.

and, and what it did was, one day it decided some of the marketing

executives decided, actually, let's have a look at all of our All of

our clients, all of our investors to see how well they've been doing.

Let's go through their accounts and let's segment them from the best

performing to the least well performing accounts, in terms of investors.

So they, I think they split them into five different parts, the best performing

second, best performing and, et cetera.

So, and they decided, okay, well, let's take this opportunity to contact our best

performing investors to let's see if maybe we can extract a few more dollars from

them to get more fees out of them So let's Use this as an excuse to give them a call

So they did so they contacted the best performing investors and they gave them

a call say, to say hey how are you doing?

what's the secret etc. So they call them up and and to their surprise They couldn't

reach most of these people And and eventually they got through to to their

families, the account holders families.

And what they found is that a significant percentage of these investors had died.

And, and, and they were amazed by that, right?

So, so, most of these investors had been around for so long and they'd

died and their families had hadn't even looked, to, close down their accounts.

And, And then, then they decided to call the second best performing group and they

call them up and, and again, to their surprise, this time, they were met with

surprise from the other side to say, Oh, I don't have an account with you.

And so it turned out that they'd actually forgotten that they'd had an account

and really the moral of this story, which the Fidelity, people had found

out the moral of this story is that actually the best performing investors.

just don't tinker with their portfolios, they'd almost forgotten or, if they died,

they can't tinker with their portfolios.

Or if they don't know about their accounts, they haven't been able to

tinker with their portfolios and which, and the worst performing investors.

are the more active investors, by default as a result.

So this is all if it completely links into what Peter has been saying about not

following the herd, not tinkering with your portfolio investing for the long

term, because this stuff really matters.

And these fidelity.

People actually found the best performing investor groups had,

returned something like 18, 19 percent annualized for years and years and years.

And imagine that compounded over time is just multiplying your

wealth by an amount you wouldn't be able to imagine, right, Peter?

Absolutely.

And that's so powerfully demonstrates the, the power of long term compounding

and being a patient investor.

Yeah, investor is the key thing.

Absolutely.

So some tips what can what now we know that our mind is driving some of

our investment behaviors not to our benefit What what can we do about it?

As an investor, as you, well, well described at the beginning,

Manish, behavior beats knowledge.

you can have all the knowledge about how to invest in the world, all the

knowledge in the world about how to be a logical investor, but Your success will

depend as much if not more on how you understand and manage your behavior and

your knowledge, your technical knowledge.

think longer term.

Invest according to your time scale.

Not everybody else's time scale, your time scale, which as we've

said should be longer term and perhaps even for that in the case

of, in the case of Warren Buffett.

Don't make short term decisions, especially in haste, that can

lead to mistakes, and undue pressure and undue, performance.

Learn to control your emotions.

Stop when you're getting emotional.

Avoid herd mentality.

Avoid social media influences.

Don't listen to what these guys say or these girls say.

They are, they don't know you.

They don't know your circumstances.

They don't know your time frame.

They don't know what else you've got.

They don't know your assets.

So how can I make a recommendation for you?

yeah, don't listen to 'em.

Invariably they're just selling clicks and , trying to get people to view their

channels and, and monetize their channels.

Social media channels, prioritize not losing money.

Stay invested.

Stay invested.

Don't, don't make rate hasty decisions, let compounding do its long-term work.

'cause as we've seen from that fidelity, case Apley demonstrates

the fact of long-term consistent patients and compounding.

Embrace volatility.

yes, it can be scary.

Yes, it can seem as though the whole world is against you in terms of investing.

yes, it can be really, worrying about your investment going down.

That's when, shares are on sale.

That's when there's the opportunity for you to dip in a little bit more and,

and add rather than, rather than shed.

Don't look to, to be worried about volatility.

Long term, as we've demonstrated, and as you, as you teach on the, on the,

on your investment academy, that is.

The markets tend trend upwards long term, there will be dips along

the way, there will be dips and of course they will always be dips.

These are the volatility, volatility is the price we pay for the rewards

without volatility, there's no rewards.

And, and we talked about over trading avoid over trading, avoid the

temptation to dip in and out avoid the temptation to tinker jump horses,

stick to your long term thesis stick to regular investing, be patient.

Totally.

I love those tips and that that is a perfect summary of, not just

investing and and what we talk about all the time, it's a great summary

of of what you teach Peter on in your in your excellent mindset class.

Peter, as I mentioned earlier, Peter is, an investment coach on, on our

investment academy and, Peter provides a fully comprehensive, class around all

of this stuff, which we've summarized today, but this is so, so, so important

to be a better investor, right.

So, so, and, and really, as I said earlier, this stuff comes first, right.

Get this right.

and everything else will just fall into place.

We can learn about.

You know the stocks and the ETFs and the funds what to invest in how to invest it

in how to save fees how to Create lumps of capital which hmrc will give you if

you put money into your pensions properly All the right wrappers all the right

platforms options for income Dividends and crypto and all of that good stuff.

But this comes first These are the if you let these be your

foundations for investing.

this will stay with you for life and not just you, your, your, your family and

your friends and, and those around you because this is all contagious stuff.

So really, really if you do this, if you master all of this, you'll become one of

the top 5 percent investors in the world.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love this stuff.

Like it's really helped me as investor without a doubt.

every time I hear this stuff and I've heard this a few times from you, Peter,

but every time I hear this and talk to you about this, there's more and more

light bulbs that go off in my head because we're always learning, right?

Doesn't matter how experienced you are, you're always learning that stuff.

Yeah, absolutely.

So it's, it's so important.

As I mentioned, Peter, gives a much more comprehensive sort

of class around this stuff.

And, and we talk about all of this within our, what we call our investment

foundations, which we build upon, all the other stuff comes afterwards, but

this is the, these are your foundations, just when you, just like when you.

Build a property, a new build property, right?

We lay our foundations first, right?

And when you're, when you lay your foundations first, that makes for

a long lasting, robust portfolio.

Your portfolio is not going to be blown down by the wind.

In the same way, the foundations help your property to stay upright and to stay

robust for decades, if not centuries.

So that's been, really fascinating, Peter.

Thanks so much for your time and your knowledge and sharing your

experience, with us, on this episode.

And hopefully that's helped all of our, our listeners, and our viewers as well.

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