Laura and Xhafer try to figure out Cylon democracy. Laura gets the heebie-jeebies. Xhafer comes up with a BSG-themed drinking game. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 2: Six of One.

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Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast, hosted by two former

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strangers, now friends who are currently

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Battlestar Galactica.

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I'm Jair,

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Laura: And I am Laura.

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Xhafer: and today we're talking

about Battlestar Galactica, season

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four, episode two, six of one.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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we're very quippy with some

of these titles that are

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Xhafer: Yeah, it happens.

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The For All Mankind, which is Ron

Moore's current show that he's doing,

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Laura: Uh

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Xhafer: uh, the last episode that

just aired the name of the episode

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was Roll the Hard Six, which

they, they had not referenced in

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universe before, but it is spacey.

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So, it was fun to, uh.

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it's just like one of the characters, just

as like the grizzled old guy is just all

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like, sometimes you gotta roll the hard

six in the episode and it's just like,

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pause for Battlestar Galactica

fans Freaking out is the like

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subtitle line, I promise.

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Uh, Yeah, it's fun.

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But uh, he has a penant for such things.

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Laura: Yeah.

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That's cute.

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I like that.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Mm

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Xhafer: like to think he also

did the in the pale moonlight.

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Laura: mm

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Xhafer: Uh, episode title, which is

another cheeky reference because everyone

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knows that that quote is, would You Dance

with the Devil in the Pale Moonlight,

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which is of course from 1989 Batman.

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Everyone knows that.

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Laura: I feel like it might

go back farther than that.

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Right.

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Xhafer: I don't know.

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Do you wanna check and find out?

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Laura: I'm going to Google it

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Xhafer: Because I don't think it does.

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Laura: artistic for just Batman.

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Xhafer: It was Tim Burton in the eighties.

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Laura: Oh, nope.

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Xhafer: Nope, we found one.

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Or did you type it in wrong?

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Laura: according to Google ai, the origin

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Xhafer: we don't trust Google ai, but,

but I do believe it is correct this time.

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It's only the fast one because

they make it the fast one.

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Laura: Huh.

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I wonder if that's just one of

those things that kind of gets

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referenced so much that I'm like,

no, it's gotta be something else.

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It's not Batman.

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Xhafer: Jack Nicholson couldn't have

been the first person to say that.

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Laura: Yeah, exactly.

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Xhafer: do believe that

is the case though.

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anyways, we're not talking about

that episode of Deep Space Nine.

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We're talking about this

episode of Battlestar Gala acta.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: We get a full, like two

minutes of last time on here.

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Laura: Yes, there's a

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Xhafer: I.

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Laura: of junk in here.

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We start with like, when specs

gave Aurora to she dies.

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Quotes, air quotes, heavy air quotes

Lee's quitting tar saving the little boy.

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Rosalyn wants to know

about the final five.

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Anders couldn't shoot that one.

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Raider.

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then specs How know how

she knows the wait earth.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: things I wrote down.

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Xhafer: I didn't write down anything.

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I wrote down that there was a

lot of last time on, and then

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I moved on to the episode.

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Laura: I write down the last time on,

and I think it's like me hoping that

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there's clues in the last time on that.

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Maybe I'll find out something that's

actually coming ahead if I think

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about the things in the last time on.

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Does

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I don't know if it's

worked for me at all, but.

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Xhafer: It ends with Kara pointing

the, holding the president at

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gunpoint, which is where we don't

pick up the episode, just barely.

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We pick up the episode on Ty, Carl,

and Adama all in motion, heading to

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handle Starbucks pointing the gun at

the President before we move back over.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Starbucks like, Hey why

don't you just like, sit down.

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We're gonna have a little chat

and Starbucks brings up, I mean.

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A valid ish point

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Laura: Fair

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Xhafer: just like,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: yeah, it's like we trusted

you on a fucking vision you had,

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: I was actually at this

place and you're not trusting me.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: me.

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Laura: Yeah, you remember that whole thing

on COBOL where we, where we all acid trip

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together and I am sure I've gone to the

place it was talking about and you were

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brought to COBOL by the, your Kamala shit.

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Like, why can't you believe me?

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yeah, I see your point.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: But Rosalyn doesn't

appear to be swayed by any of it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Ra Roly doesn't give a fuck.

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Starbuck like hands roly the

gun and was all like, you think

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I'm a silent fucking shoot me.

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Laura: Yep.

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Xhafer: She picks up the gun and fires

shooting her prom photo with Adama.

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Shout out Kristen in the Discord

as uh, everyone busts in and they

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arrest starves, who is pretty upset.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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love the prom photo, by

the way, of mom and dad.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: cute.

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I

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: sounds, I squealed a little bit.

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Um, then of course, because I'm already

in like, does anything mean anything?

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Like, I'm

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: she shot the, the

photo of her and Adama.

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Xhafer: and

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Laura: Does

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Xhafer: the bullet is

like right in between them

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: and it's broken glass

all over them, and then they get

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into a huge fight this episode.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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I'm like, Hmm, does this

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Xhafer: Symbology?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Especially 'cause she was also

shooting at dad's daughter.

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Xhafer: That's an important point.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But she misses unlike when one

of dad's daughters shot him way

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back in the beginning of all this,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: But Starbuck was that

sure that they're going the wrong

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way and that she's not a asylum

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Rosalyn the gun

and said, just do it.

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So.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: Interesting.

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Xhafer: We cut away after this and

we hear some nonsense rambling and

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the fleeting piano of S bullshit.

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We're back on a bass star.

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Laura: Yeah, I, I do hate the piano of S

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My God, my God.

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though.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, we had the theme.

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Laura: Right?

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Did we have any changes?

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It's 39,676.

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Xhafer: Um, down 22.

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I'm gonna guess who died last.

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Laura: we were still fighting

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Xhafer: were still fighting, so

it's probably just people who died

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over the course of that fight.

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Um.

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Laura: we ended the fight.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: 22 unaccounted deaths

from the previous episode.

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These may be people who were

wounded in battle but died of

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their injuries later per the Wiki.

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Laura: Okay.

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That's fair.

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I'll take that.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: 'cause yeah, the fight ends before

theme in the first episode, so, okay.

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Seems legit.

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the, the hybrid, I didn't

write down what it said.

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I felt like I probably should have

paid better attention because six is

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very adamant this hybrid is trying to

tell them something that something is,

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that the final five are in the fleet.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: like very certain of that,

and I have no idea what this

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hybrid said that led her to that.

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And

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: know, maybe it

just wasn't in the thing.

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I, I don't know, but.

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Xhafer: They're talking to Caval about

this, the Final five, and he's all

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like, this is blasphemy or something.

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Also, PS we're gonna re lobotomize

the Raiders because they

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disobeyed orders and didn't blow

up those ships we told them to.

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Laura: Okay, I need to talk

about that for a second.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: he thinks the Raiders not blowing

up the ships is a free will problem.

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It seems like that

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Xhafer: Yes,

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Laura: free will, but they're not.

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They were just responding to Anders

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Xhafer: we know that.

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Laura: of view.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: We know that they were responding

to the Final Five and not attacking, but.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Whether or not they mean

they are speculating that the Final

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five are in the fleet right now.

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So they don't know per se,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: if they do, they're

lying to us as an audience,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: which, you know, fucking silence.

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So, uh,

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Laura: guys.

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Xhafer: yeah, so the proposal that

they've got free will, doesn't

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hold a lot of water for us.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: But that's the

route that Caval is taking.

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It's either that or they're

like, Hey, it's the last season.

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The humans are in rough shape, and

we just want them to start blowing

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up Raiders like it's Battlestar 79.

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Maybe that's what the plan is, you

know, just like we want 'em to feel

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good about blowing up some Raiders,

so we're just gonna make 'em all dumb

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instead of terrifying and super pilots.

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Because we set up at this point that

all Raiders should be like ultra skilled

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pilots because they keep learning and

learning and learning and getting better.

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Laura: Scar,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But the sixes don't seem to bring

up that well, what if they turned

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around because of the final five?

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It's just the sixes are like,

well, if they're developing

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free will, that's their right.

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Like that's who we are.

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This is,

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part of our evolution too, or whatever.

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And she's very, very upset

that the cavel would do this.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: So I guess they can't even think

about the Final Five long enough to

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like try to put together the hybrid

is mumbling these things that make us

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think the Final five is in the fleet.

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And then maybe the Raiders know that too.

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Like

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: even

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Xhafer: just right over their heads.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: got a plan, Laura.

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Don't worry about it.

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Laura: It's a,

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Xhafer: Um,

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Laura: plan, apparently.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: such good plan, such

good plan that we've stopped

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saying they have a plan.

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Um,

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the final four meet to talk

about how fucked they are.

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Laura: oh, I was calling

them the Fantastic four.

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Xhafer: Oh, that's fair.

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Um, I mean, they don't feel

particularly fantastic, but

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Hm, the fuck around four?

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Xhafer: yeah.

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The fuck around four are gonna

become the find out for spoilers.

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Laura: yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: they don't know.

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Star BE'S is one of them.

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Tori has doubts.

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Laura: heard the music.

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Starbeck hasn't heard the

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Tory's really hung up on hearing the music

is the key, and so Tyrell thinks Baltar

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might know more than he's letting on,

and so they ask Tory to honey pot him.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Why do we think Ballar knows more?

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'cause I guess, 'cause he was

on a base ship for a while,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Tyrell was like, Hey, I saw him

hanging out with Zena Warrior

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Princess when she had like a vision

or something, and then she like

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Laura: true.

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Xhafer: maybe Ballar knows something.

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Yeah,

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Laura: got to punch him in the face.

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Xhafer: sure did.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: God thinking about that.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: Hmm.

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She's ballar getting punched

in the face by Tyrell.

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Mm.

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Laura: So yeah, they're gonna

make Tori go do this, which I'm

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just like, okay, this is gross.

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So

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Xhafer: It's a, yeah.

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Yeah, it's, it's, it's gross.

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It's gross.

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The whole thing is gross.

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Laura: It is gonna make something in

the next episode, grosser, actually,

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that I'll try to make sure to mention

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Xhafer: Have you already

watched the next one?

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Laura: I

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Xhafer: I have.

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Okay.

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I was gonna say, I have a, like I had to

edit the shit out of the episode preview.

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Laura: I bet you did.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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It's fine.

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We'll, we'll talk about

that when we get there.

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Adama yells at Starbuck she

retorts and he resorts to violence.

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Laura: Yes.

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he says something about,

you know, I was your ally.

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I was your only ally, and now I'm not.

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'cause this is crazy.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Uh, And she calls him some mean

names like the president's wet nurse, and

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Xhafer: Right?

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Laura: pushes her to the ground.

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She just keeps screaming that we're

going the wrong way he leaves.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: So everybody

looking very sane today.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: got their sanity pants on.

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I can tell

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Xhafer: we go to the Silent Council where

they had their vote, and it's a tie,

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Laura: except it's not

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Xhafer: It's not Boomer has turned on the

rest of the eights to side with Cavel.

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It's also worth, it's also worth

noting here when we were getting the

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flashes of cylon bullshit, the fleeting

p the rather, the fleeting pano of

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silent bullshit that she was dancing

topless for cavel in those flashes.

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If you didn't catch it.

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Laura: I caught that.

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She was like doing some ballet or

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Xhafer: She was doing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Laura: and doing

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Xhafer: Dance.

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Dance list topping.

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Dance list, topping, topless dancing.

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Topless dance list topping is

something very, very different.

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Top the topless dancing

might have some implications.

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It was like ballet it wasn't like,

I wouldn't even go as far as to say,

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as like burlesque, let alone like,

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Laura: Yeah, no, it was

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Xhafer: what you might be imagining.

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Yeah.

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Laura: I didn't catch that.

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It was for Caval even.

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I thought we were just like, we're

doing the fleeting piano, so now we're

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gonna have a Sharon doing like some

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: stuff.

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But it was Boomer for Cavel.

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don't understand these women

characters see in Cavel.

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I have the heebie-jeebies, I'm

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Xhafer: He's a heebie-jeebies kind of guy.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay.

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So because Boomer has flipped, they're

still gonna lobotomize these raiders,

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and six is very upset about that and

about a signon going against their

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model that is like unheard of to her.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Impossible.

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very confusing.

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

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This does not happen first

time in silent history.

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Laura: yeah.

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But she's gonna pray about it

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: him.

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Xhafer: It makes democracy a

lot harder when you have to

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count more than six votes.

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Laura: Right.

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How many do we think they're

actually, because like, okay, they

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have six different models, right?

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But we dunno how many

models are out there.

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So like.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Is there just an even

number of everybody's model?

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Like there are 10 copies of

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Xhafer: We only see one

caval at a time ever

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Laura: Uhhuh

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Xhafer: like this.

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It feels like there's like, um, as many

Doral and Simons as the plot necessitates,

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Laura: Uhhuh

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Xhafer: there's a pile of

boomers or a pile of Sharons.

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Laura: it feels like it.

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'cause we saw a bunch on that base star

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: the

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Xhafer: always just a pile of

fucking Sharons, the sixes.

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There seems to be a number of the bins.

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There seems to be like one of, and

the cavel, there seems to be like one

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of, so if you told me the like camels

and bins are equal pop and that the

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sixes and the Doral maybe, or the

Simons, it seems like there's an equal

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number of Simons and sixes and then

an equal number of DOLs and Sharon's.

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all fits in my brain.

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Laura: For this vote to work, you either

have to go check all of the models and

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be like, do you agree with our vote?

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then there's only the six votes, or

you have to have an even number, like

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everybody has to have the same number of

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: because otherwise it'd be

like, well, there's a ton of cavel

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right now, so we're just fucked.

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You know,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: nobody's got a good vote.

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So, it seems like they're taking like.

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Everybody votes with their model,

except if one dissents, then that counts

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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it's plot necessitated

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: sure.

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Laura: What a representative democracy

that would be if we could just like

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vote against electoral college.

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Like whatever.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I know.

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Laura: I disagree.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I know Oklahoma went red,

but I'm gonna just disagree with this one.

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And now they're bluish.

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Laura: Now I get a vote.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They make a really big deal outta this,

but six is the only one who seems to care.

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Everyone else is all like, oh, yeah,

that happened either because it benefits

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them or they can't be fucking bothered.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: So the Raiders

are gonna get lobotomized.

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Laura: Yep.

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Xhafer: Down in the pilots

lounge, there's quite the party

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for Lee's military retirement.

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I was thinking about it.

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This is probably the first one of these.

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They've had not counting

new since new Caprica.

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I'm sure they had a couple in

new Caprica when people settled

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to go down and live there.

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But it's probably been a while.

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Every, every time they have

one of these, it's a funeral.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: they're playing

strip pyramid or something?

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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I didn't, I didn't quite catch that.

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I guess somebody did take their top off.

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Okay.

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So that makes sense.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And they're making

Lee do the chartreuse shots.

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Xhafer: this is a, a line of six shots.

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I hope they call this

rolling the hard six.

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And if not then this

needs to be instituted.

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Six shots, a toast with each rolling.

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The hard six brought to

you at your next party.

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I college me would've done this so

much if I had thought of it then.

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And I'm really glad I didn't.

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Laura: Right.

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Right.

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Xhafer: And current me is

glad I don't live that life.

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he toast to the ship, their crew,

their leader, their sweethearts.

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We miss one and then the absent

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: 'cause there's six shots,

but we only get five toast.

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Not that I did the math.

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Laura: Well, do you like take a shot

first and then, then there would be only

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be five spaces in between six shots.

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Xhafer: Well he does, he says

the thing and then does the shot.

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So there would have to,

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Laura: spaces, so

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Xhafer: yeah, so he just does

shot the, absent the shot and

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then doesn't say anything else.

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I mean, that is what happens

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: if, if the last

toast is the missing one.

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I didn't, they don't show us the

like pile of him drinking to know

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if there's anything funky happening.

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So

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Laura: there's like, he, he gives

like main toast, taste a shot,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: Little toast.

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There's only five spaces in between six

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Xhafer: makes sense that the last one

is to him because it's his retirement.

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But, you know, anyways Adama takes

Starbucks gift of a mass lead off of

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his repaired ship because he did mess

this thing up a couple of episodes ago.

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Laura: broke his little ships.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Baltar talks with Tori, and as

they talk, Grish shows up just to

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talk about how great Elon Musk is.

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Yeah.

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Talk about it.

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Laura: I hate gr.

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I mean, I hate grok too, but,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: yeah, he, how Gaas

hasn't seen raus before.

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Xhafer: Nope.

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Laura: Huh?

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Xhafer: immediately just like, okay,

this makes sense, but also weird.

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Laura: Huh?

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Where did Raus come from?

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I'm just suddenly really

curious about this

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Where did Crock has come from?

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Laura: comes in and tells him how

to manipulate people or whatever.

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'cause she did that in the,

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Xhafer: And GR

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Laura: don't

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Xhafer: doesn't do that.

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Gki is gross.

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They just talk about how hot to he is.

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Laura: Yes.

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but mm, when he is rambling at

Tory, he says something about God

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has chosen him to sing his song

and Tory, because the music is

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: like, oh.

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Xhafer: Yeah, you hear the music he like

goes on this whole, he like stumbles into

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this whole diatribe about how the Galactic

Symphony of Chaos suddenly sings one tune

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Laura: Uhhuh

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Xhafer: and it is just like, oh, that

sounds like you heard the music to me.

524

Laura: Uhhuh

525

say anything to anybody about Gais.

526

Xhafer: no sh.

527

Laura: us.

528

Xhafer: She gets up

and leaves immediately,

529

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

530

Xhafer: so I like, ah, fuck.

531

We can't be having this conversation here.

532

Laura: Yeah.

533

And then the rest of the

conversation was, is with Raus.

534

And he's like,

535

Xhafer: Yeah,

536

Laura: What the fuck are you doing here?

537

You are me, but you're not me, I guess.

538

Xhafer: yeah.

539

Laura: But yeah, Raus only

wants to talk about Tori.

540

He says Tori is fragile and to

handle with care, and Gais does

541

not understand what that means.

542

That like, she is a fucking silo guy.

543

Ruckus is like leading him right

to it, and he does not get it.

544

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

545

He just wants to talk about

her, how, how attractive she is.

546

It's gross.

547

Laura: already watched another episode.

548

I totally forgotten about that.

549

And it's not like six PT can't do this.

550

Like she's definitely shown

up in situations where Gais is

551

lusting after another woman.

552

Xhafer: Yeah.

553

Laura: I mean, she hasn't always

handled it like gracefully about that,

554

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, you could tell me

that it was all like, you know who James

555

Callis should really act a scene with

James Callis and just put 'em together.

556

It'll be fine.

557

Laura: If we don't get more of that

though, I'm gonna be kind of mad

558

because it feels like you're telling

me something interesting with that.

559

But if you don't come back to it,

then I'll be like, oh, I guess

560

there was nothing interesting with

that and I'll be kind of annoyed.

561

Xhafer: Yeah.

562

Laura: we'll see.

563

Guy Raus and Gais count is, stands at one.

564

Xhafer: Yep.

565

Mom and dad talk about Kara Adama

almost calls it a miracle, but

566

can't bring himself to say it.

567

And then Roslyn tries to get him to

just hunker down and discuss his grief.

568

The grief of losing Lee in the

military, the grief of losing her soon,

569

Laura: Mm-hmm.

570

Xhafer: you know, the grief

of having lost Starbuck.

571

Laura: Yeah.

572

Xhafer: and he's just all like,

no, no, I don't have grief.

573

I don't, I don't feel that.

574

Sorry.

575

Laura: Yeah, she says that like you

can't take possibility that she's a

576

silent you don't wanna lose her again

577

Xhafer: Yeah.

578

Laura: 'cause you can't

take any anymore grief and

579

Xhafer: I.

580

Laura: will not do it.

581

Xhafer: Yeah.

582

They move to Barbs and it gets mean.

583

Laura: Yeah.

584

yeah.

585

He says something about, she

says, you're afraid to live alone.

586

And he says, well, you're

afraid to die because your death

587

will be meaningless this way

588

Xhafer: Yeah.

589

Laura: and

590

Xhafer: Oof.

591

Yeah.

592

Laura: Wow.

593

Xhafer: Yeah.

594

Laura: everyone else's.

595

Yeah.

596

Xhafer: Yeah.

597

Fuck.

598

Rosalyn pulls a chunk of her

hair out right after this too.

599

The space chemo is

600

Laura: It's

601

Xhafer: per grid's getting to her.

602

Yeah.

603

Laura: Yep.

604

Xhafer: at this, after this,

we learned that Lee is being

605

appointed to the quorum of 12.

606

Laura: Yeah, his old friend Zarik,

his buddy Zarik, had an empty

607

seat for whatever reason and asked

608

Xhafer: YI don't know how that

works from a political standpoint.

609

We're just gonna choose this guy who's

gonna represent presumably Caprica.

610

Laura: Yeah, he is Caprica.

611

I think he's

612

Xhafer: Yeah.

613

Laura: the next episode.

614

Xhafer: Well, I, I know it's,

I know it's Caprica because

615

it's confirmed later spoilers.

616

But they don't say it in this episode.

617

So,

618

Laura: Mm-hmm.

619

Xhafer: saw we listen.

620

Uh,

621

Laura: guy?

622

I guess the other guy died.

623

I think at some point

they do say that too.

624

Or

625

Xhafer: the other guy died

626

Laura: Yeah, I think so.

627

Xhafer: who was so Baltar represented.

628

Caprica for a minute.

629

Laura: Oh,

630

Xhafer: And then he, well, and well then

that was before he became vice president.

631

Laura: I

632

Xhafer: represented ca.

633

Laura: Caprica.

634

Okay.

635

Xhafer: Yeah.

636

He represented Caprica before

he became vice president.

637

'cause that's why he was on the

quorum of 12 to talk in the first

638

place about that whole election.

639

Laura: Oh, but he is

just a poor guy from He's

640

Xhafer: I don't know.

641

Laura: little guy.

642

Xhafer: I don't know

what the rules are there.

643

It feels like it's like

644

Laura: Who

645

Xhafer: you don't have to be born

in the state to represent it, which

646

honestly, I have not super strong

feelings about, but I don't like

647

voting for politicians to represent

states or areas that they don't haven't

648

lived in for a majority of their life.

649

Laura: Sure.

650

Yeah.

651

Xhafer: But, you know, whatever.

652

Um, anyways Lee talks to care about

his special Dennis, because God forbid

653

he not have a special fucking destiny.

654

Laura: Yeah, his special

destiny is politics.

655

Xhafer: Duh.

656

Laura: but he does say

that he believes her,

657

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

658

Laura: they, they have a special hug.

659

Uh

660

Xhafer: Yeah,

661

Laura: They, they make out actually

662

Xhafer: they, they, they get a little

kissy until they remember that there's a

663

security guard in the room watching them,

664

Laura: hilarious.

665

Xhafer: see in the background

of this scene a number of times.

666

Laura: Ah, to be a security guard

on Galactica, would be great.

667

This would be a funny job.

668

You get to go watch people

talk to the six all the time.

669

Xhafer: Yeah.

670

Laura: For no reason.

671

You just like get, get a little

bribe from Tyrell so he can go

672

talk to Baltar when he's in prison.

673

Xhafer: I wonder if like Tricia Fer hosted

SNL or something while this show was

674

running and this was a sketch that they

did, because this feels very Saturday

675

Night Live, sketchy to me, where it's all

like Battlestar Galactica, but told from

676

the perspective of the prison guard as

like major characters move in and out.

677

Laura: Yeah.

678

Xhafer: I'd watch that sketch.

679

Laura: Me too.

680

Xhafer: Apollo reminisces

in the pilot's meeting room.

681

And then he gets a dress uniform send off.

682

Dee gives him a plaque with his

pilot wings on it and they hug and

683

everyone claps for like five minutes.

684

Laura: So I guess they're really

divorcing because he tells her

685

that she gets to keep the house

686

Xhafer: Yeah.

687

Laura: That's real.

688

She really walked out on him.

689

It's really over, right?

690

Xhafer: That appears to be the case.

691

Laura: Yep.

692

Xhafer: And I'd rather talk about that

than what happens in the next two scenes.

693

Laura: Oh,

694

Xhafer: But

695

uh,

696

Laura: drill on meat is bad.

697

That part's bad.

698

Xhafer: drill on meat.

699

They're lobotomizing the Raiders.

700

Laura: Mm-hmm.

701

Xhafer: Ugh.

702

Simon's doing it because of course.

703

Laura: Yeah, he's the medical guy.

704

He's, he's good

705

Xhafer: Yeah,

706

Laura: He's good at this shit

707

Xhafer: drill on meat.

708

The but the S six is all like, Hey,

you sure you want to keep doing it?

709

You extra sure?

710

Are you, you

711

Laura: positive.

712

Sure.

713

Xhafer: like, I'm, I'm not, I'm not trying

to set you up for something right now.

714

Laura: Just say it into this

microphone that you are so super Sure.

715

Xhafer: Right.

716

Please.

717

We are recording this.

718

Laura: And she brings in the toasters.

719

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

720

and if that wasn't gross enough,

right after we get drill,

721

meet Baltar and Tori, fuck,

722

Laura: Is it more drill on meat?

723

Xhafer: duh, duh.

724

Laura: I, I, I'm sorry.

725

Xhafer: Now you, no, don't

apologize for the joke, but,

726

Laura: i'm sorry.

727

It was right there.

728

I couldn't let it go past.

729

yes,

730

Xhafer: Yeah,

731

Laura: Don't like it.

732

Xhafer: very bad.

733

She cries during the, the sexy times,

which is appropriate because I also felt

734

like crying, being forced to watch this,

735

Laura: Me too.

736

Yeah.

737

Oh,

738

Xhafer: the.

739

Laura: does this.

740

Don't worry about it.

741

That's what she tells Gais.

742

Xhafer: Yeah,

743

Laura: And,

744

Xhafer: he ex, he explains

his monotheism, mid cotus.

745

Laura: yeah.

746

Yeah.

747

He mansplain her emotions about

having sex to her during sex.

748

Um.

749

Xhafer: Honestly, the door-to-door

religious types might have more luck with

750

this approach, but I'm also incredibly

thankful I don't have to deal with that.

751

Laura: Yeah.

752

She just has an abundance of feeling

and the, the one true God made them all.

753

And silences also have feelings.

754

Xhafer: Yeah,

755

Laura: 'cause I've

756

Xhafer: I'll validate that.

757

Laura: Yeah.

758

Xhafer: Yeah.

759

Hmm.

760

Laura: Is

761

Xhafer: I fucked at least two

762

Laura: uh.

763

Xhafer: Question mark.

764

Laura: Oh no, I, I wonder if Tori

is gonna start thinking he's, God.

765

Oh no, I don't want that.

766

He's already got these

idiot humans thinking.

767

He's like, maybe not God, but you know,

768

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

769

Laura: question mark.

770

Work.

771

Xhafer: Yeah.

772

Laura: back at the base star Havel's,

yelling at the toasters to leave,

773

but they're just not doing it.

774

Xhafer: No, they are not interested

because they now have the free

775

wills, their free will inhibition.

776

Chip has been removed.

777

Why do they have this?

778

Laura: So are you telling me then

show that when you build the complex

779

robot, it comes with free will

automatically and you have to put a

780

chip in there to keep it from using it?

781

it's

782

Xhafer: Yep.

783

Laura: not an add-on, it's

a we have to like, have to.

784

Xhafer: Feature, not a bug.

785

Laura: Yeah.

786

Huh.

787

Xhafer: And also like when the

silent Revolution started, I.

788

we know that, well, at the

very least, they didn't have

789

humanoid cys initially, right?

790

Laura: Right.

791

Xhafer: Like

792

Laura: robots that we know about

793

Xhafer: we saw like them trying to get to

meet robots in the flashbacks and razor.

794

Laura: theoretically.

795

Mm-hmm.

796

Xhafer: So that would mean that

the centurion being presumably

797

the most common form of cylon.

798

Whenever we see a silent body

from the war, it's a centurion.

799

Laura: Mm-hmm.

800

Xhafer: They had free will.

801

Did they make the, the hu the the

skin jobs and then decide they

802

didn't need free will anymore?

803

The fuck happened there?

804

Laura: Yeah.

805

It seems like there was somebody

else in charge, is all I'm

806

saying feels very puppet mastery.

807

Something weird is going on here.

808

Xhafer: Yeah.

809

Laura: but yeah, it's the sixes, the

Leo Bens and the Sharons did this.

810

Xhafer: Well, a Sharon, well, all

the Sharon's, but one, I mean,

811

Laura: Yes.

812

Xhafer: yeah.

813

Laura: That's what I meant too.

814

And.

815

We're, we're done voting on these

things according to the sixes,

816

Xhafer: Yep.

817

Laura: and this cavel starts hearing the

sounds of genocide throughout the ship.

818

The Simon's, Cavel and

Doral are all gunned down.

819

Xhafer: Yep.

820

Laura: Interesting.

821

That six is our genocide model.

822

Six is the one that

823

Xhafer: Again.

824

Yeah.

825

Laura: Yeah,

826

Xhafer: Yeah.

827

Laura: we did it at the very beginning.

828

Six is pulling the trigger and

six is now pulling the trigger

829

on her compatriots as well.

830

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

831

The fleet jumps and Kara

feels farther from earth.

832

Hilo grabs Kara.

833

They kind of make it out like

they're gonna airlock Kara here

834

Just on the DL Lake.

835

Laura: Doctrine.

836

Xhafer: Yeah.

837

But instead she's being given a

sewage ship under the guise of

838

a food finding mission and is to

retrace her path to earth to credits.

839

Laura: Yeah.

840

With a small crew.

841

We're told

842

Xhafer: Yep.

843

Laura: gonna do this.

844

Huh.

845

Xhafer: That's our episode.

846

Laura: That's our episode.

847

I am very curious about gr Now.

848

Xhafer: Yeah.

849

Laura: to be looking out for that.

850

Actually, I'm gonna make myself a little

note right now for the next episode.

851

Xhafer: Look out for guac.

852

Laura: Ruckus Watch 2026.

853

Because if they just drop that,

I'm gonna be really sad ' cause

854

it seems like it has potential.

855

Xhafer: Look at me not saying anything.

856

Um

857

Laura: Congratulations.

858

Xhafer: wait, wait, wait, wait.

859

I said maybe.

860

There we go.

861

Laura: Yeah, if, well, okay,

let's, let's return to the, well.

862

we've been discussing ever

since this show began,

863

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

864

Laura: of is this a, the head

people a creation or are they

865

like a psychological construct?

866

Xhafer: Yeah.

867

Do they exist only in.

868

One person's mind

869

Laura: Uhhuh.

870

Xhafer: Is, is gaas insane?

871

And just talking to the woman

of his dreams, quite literally.

872

Laura: Mm-hmm.

873

Xhafer: And then we see that Caprica

six is doing the same with Gaas and we,

874

so that's how we get Raus and six VT.

875

Laura: Mm-hmm.

876

Xhafer: have not cross pollinated before.

877

Laura: Right.

878

Xhafer: Six is not encountered, six pt.

879

And now Gaas has encountered Ruckus.

880

Laura: Yeah.

881

Xhafer: So either it's double insane,

or I mean, capric six, I think they

882

told each other that they see, have

they told each other that they see

883

the dream versions of each other?

884

Has that happened?

885

I don't remember if that happens at all.

886

Laura: if they did, it was so

obscure that I don't know that each

887

other, that they understood what

888

Xhafer: Because it might be him

manifesting that knowledge in a way.

889

Right?

890

It doesn't completely discount.

891

I mean, if anyone's gonna have a

dream him that he has conversations

892

with, it's gonna be fucking guy.

893

Laura: Yeah, I don't, I don't think

they've told each other about this.

894

Xhafer: Okay.

895

So if that's the case, more than

likely assuming that Ruckus is

896

the same person in six PTs head

or in six's head and Gaia's head,

897

Laura: mm-hmm.

898

Xhafer: because we don't know that either

899

Laura: Right.

900

Xhafer: wearing the same kind of

like suit thing that he wears,

901

but that doesn't mean anything.

902

Laura: it is a very sharp suit.

903

I do

904

Xhafer: Yeah, it's,

it's a wardrobe choice.

905

Laura: Mm-hmm.

906

Xhafer: so.

907

Where are we at on this?

908

How are you feeling?

909

Laura: It's, Hmm.

910

would, if it is a psychological

construct, if it's like his

911

brain making things up to like.

912

Xhafer: Yeah.

913

Laura: or whatever.

914

Why would his brain switch?

915

From talking to talking Yeah.

916

To six.

917

The beautiful woman switch from that

to talking to himself, feels like,

918

has he gotten so uncomfortable with

talking to S six about other women, but.

919

I, I don't know why that would be, because

literally just a few episodes ago, like

920

he was, or last episode, I guess he was.

921

Talking to her about something

and she's like shaping him into a

922

prayer pose so that he can impress

this lady he later sleeps with.

923

So it's not like they've

been having fights about it.

924

And so he is just gotta

talk to himself instead.

925

'cause she'll, she'll just be

a big buzz kill about this.

926

is it because Tori is

one of the final five

927

Xhafer: something with her maybe.

928

Laura: it?

929

Xhafer: Ooh.

930

That would imply that six PT is cylon

because we know that they can't do that.

931

Laura: mm-hmm.

932

Mm-hmm.

933

So it had to construct something else

934

Xhafer: Maybe.

935

Yeah.

936

Laura: because, because it

seems, it seems like Rockus

937

Xhafer: But if that's the case, then

how would Raus know if Ruckus is Cylon?

938

If it's still a Cylon thing doing

it and the Cylons can't know,

939

then that logic doesn't hold.

940

Laura: Yeah, but maybe, maybe it because

941

Xhafer: Six PT being the

exception is we would be a Yeah.

942

But guys being the exception

would be weird there because it's

943

either, it impacts all silences,

944

Laura: Mm-hmm.

945

Xhafer: And the thing that is making the

vision is not six PT or is not a six.

946

Right?

947

Or it is a six and then it

wouldn't be able to acknowledge

948

the final five in the first place.

949

Laura: What if it's not that like.

950

It is not like a piece

of a cy or something.

951

It's just like

952

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

953

Laura: of cylon software.

954

So like the software can kind of

wink, wink, nudge, nudge around it,

955

Xhafer: Yeah,

956

Laura: an actual Cy itself cannot know.

957

Xhafer: maybe.

958

Laura: it, um, I'm leaning

towards at this point.

959

Maybe it's not just his

brain making shit up.

960

Maybe there is something.

961

That knows.

962

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean like I feel there's

a definitive answer to this question

963

Laura: Okay.

964

Xhafer: and I feel like I, and I feel

like I know what that answer is, but.

965

Also, people might argue with me on

that and that's their prerogative.

966

Um, we can talk about it in

spoiler chat if you'd like.

967

Just remind me that I said these things

and don't just go into the conversation.

968

'cause know that I did not listen to

this episode the day that it aired.

969

And also I had this

conversation weeks beforehand.

970

Um, so, I feel like we get a definitive

answer on what is going on there.

971

Laura: Okay.

972

Xhafer: I.

973

And I don't,

974

Laura: though.

975

Xhafer: I don't wanna say anything that

might lead you to agree with that decision

976

before you know everything that would

lead you to make a similar decision.

977

Laura: Mm-hmm.

978

Yeah.

979

I, I don't feel like we know

enough yet, but this whole.

980

GR shows up when it's Tory.

981

One of the final five

982

Xhafer: Yeah.

983

Laura: suspicious.

984

Xhafer: It is a little suspicious.

985

Don't be suspicious.

986

Don't be suspicious.

987

Don't be suspicious.

988

Laura: Don't

989

Xhafer: Don't, don't be suspicious.

990

Don't.

991

Laura: Don't be suspicious.

992

Oh, I didn't even say

suspicious right that time.

993

Xhafer: That's fine.

994

Okay.

995

Well, is there anything else you

wanna talk about from this episode?

996

Laura: No, I think I'm good.

997

Xhafer: You wanna rate it?

998

Laura: gonna be a lot of talk though.

999

Xhafer: Yeah, we gotta rate this episode.

00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:47,300

Laura: rate it.

00:39:47,330 --> 00:39:48,950

Oh my, hmm.

00:39:49,784 --> 00:39:53,684

I kind of feel like it's one of those

where like not a ton of stuff happens.

00:39:53,684 --> 00:39:54,194

There's a lot

00:39:54,232 --> 00:39:54,312

Xhafer: Hmm.

00:39:55,587 --> 00:39:56,427

Lots of fifis.

00:39:56,714 --> 00:40:00,374

Laura: lots of fifis up

for interesting stuff.

00:40:00,807 --> 00:40:01,107

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:40:01,664 --> 00:40:03,134

Laura: I don't know, maybe like a nine.

00:40:03,584 --> 00:40:03,779

It's fine.

00:40:04,017 --> 00:40:04,317

Xhafer: Okay.

00:40:05,667 --> 00:40:07,707

Yeah, I'd put it at an eight.

00:40:07,707 --> 00:40:09,477

This is kind of a middling episode.

00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:10,094

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:40:10,777 --> 00:40:12,127

Xhafer: But I don't have any like.

00:40:13,192 --> 00:40:15,442

Thing, particularly

negative to say about it.

00:40:15,442 --> 00:40:17,782

I just don't have anything

particularly good to say about it.

00:40:18,129 --> 00:40:20,248

Laura: Yeah, we got a lot of feelings.

00:40:20,398 --> 00:40:21,208

Lots of feelings.

00:40:21,418 --> 00:40:21,568

Some

00:40:21,611 --> 00:40:21,881

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:40:22,678 --> 00:40:25,613

Laura: Now we got questions

like none answers.

00:40:26,771 --> 00:40:27,641

Xhafer: Zero answers.

00:40:28,438 --> 00:40:32,758

Laura: I, I do find it very poetic

that six is our genocide model, that

00:40:32,758 --> 00:40:36,838

she's like turned on her own kind now

00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,760

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:40:39,837 --> 00:40:40,917

Laura: doing more of it.

00:40:40,977 --> 00:40:44,037

That's going to be interesting

in the next few episodes, I think

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Xhafer: Yeah, we got season four

episode three, the ties that bind.

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Next week, Kara seeks her own path

for Earth, while the silences face

00:40:53,875 --> 00:40:55,855

the threat of sentient centurions.

00:40:56,365 --> 00:40:59,185

Neither of these things are what

you are going to remember about

00:40:59,185 --> 00:41:01,015

this episode after you watch it.

00:41:01,752 --> 00:41:02,382

Laura: Facts.

00:41:02,382 --> 00:41:02,712

Yeah.

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Those are like the B plots at best.

00:41:09,820 --> 00:41:10,210

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:16,750

Um, they're like the episode description

kind of like slightly alluded to what the

00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:24,190

A plot is, and I'm just all like, I could

make it slightly more specific by naming

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the character, but taking up the details.

00:41:27,130 --> 00:41:29,950

But I think, I thought I didn't like

how much of the details it mentioned

00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:31,480

about what happens with that character.

00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,050

And I'm all like, and also it is like in

the episode description, I read it is like

00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:37,390

the last sentence of it, and I'm all like.

00:41:38,725 --> 00:41:40,705

That's not what fucking

happens in this episode.

00:41:40,705 --> 00:41:43,135

Like I read the description,

I'm like, is this the one?

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And yes, it is.

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Fucking, fucking, yes it is.

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We'll talk about that next

week with a content warning.

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But before we get there, we should

probably say a couple of thank yous,

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Laura: Indeed.

00:41:57,565 --> 00:41:58,255

Xhafer: Jeremy.

00:41:58,705 --> 00:42:01,255

Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com.

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As always, thank you so

much for our theme music.

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We appreciate the hell out of it, buddy.

00:42:06,897 --> 00:42:07,317

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:42:07,435 --> 00:42:09,295

Xhafer: find more of his work online.

00:42:09,895 --> 00:42:12,625

I already said the, the

U-R-L-I-I messed up the order.

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I,

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Laura: I hate when I do that.

00:42:15,447 --> 00:42:17,907

It's like, oh no, because

I got the order wrong.

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Did I say all the things?

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I have no idea.

00:42:20,295 --> 00:42:21,715

Xhafer: yeah, I'll be real.

00:42:21,715 --> 00:42:22,945

I'm real ready for lunch right now.

00:42:24,987 --> 00:42:27,267

Laura: and thanks to Angry

Deck time machine on Instagram

00:42:27,267 --> 00:42:28,047

for the podcast artwork.

00:42:28,693 --> 00:42:31,243

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much for

editing this podcast, making sure

00:42:31,243 --> 00:42:35,203

that it is released on time and all

the work you put in for the drops.

00:42:35,203 --> 00:42:36,313

We appreciate the hell outta you.

00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:36,960

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,480

And thanks listener for being here.

00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,720

If you wanna talk about some of

these episodes coming up, one of

00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,800

which I know is very exciting,

come join us in The Discord.

00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,880

We would love to have you there.

00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,790

It's a nice chill hang

with lots of cool people.

00:42:50,850 --> 00:42:51,360

So

00:42:51,548 --> 00:42:52,903

Xhafer: I do love the discord.

00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:54,630

Laura: find it in the show notes.

00:42:54,965 --> 00:42:55,745

Xhafer: All right, internet.

00:42:55,745 --> 00:42:56,722

We'll see you next week.

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Laura: Okay, bye.