00:00 Welcome and Question

00:55 Magic Fruit Debate

01:40 Disobedience Not Fruit

03:27 When Did Sin Begin

06:14 Numbers Reading Setup

06:48 Korahs Rebellion

09:00 Corporate Guilt Question

09:59 Little Ones and Justice

13:12 Censers and Aarons Rod

14:39 Mark 6 Miracles

17:12 Walking on Water Deity

18:09 Daily Bread and Prayer

19:42 Closing Prayer and Outro

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another edition

of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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What's up?

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And we have another question that was

written in this time about the tree

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of the knowledge of good and evil.

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I think we should read the way that

it is addressed to us because this

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writer always has a way of creatively.

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Asking us to weigh in on a subject.

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So he calls us Eden educated elders.

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The alliteration skills

with this one are strong.

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What are, what, what

Eden are we referring to?

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We're talking about the garden.

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I believe I was not at the

garden, just to be clear.

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No but are you Eden educated?

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I don't think so.

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I was not Eden edu.

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I mean, no, I went to Southern

bro educated about Eden.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, I am educated about it.

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Yeah.

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I suppose, yes.

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That's, that's my read.

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That's my interpretation of the

authorial intent of this one.

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So maybe I'm gonna analogize it

into something entirely different.

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I'm gonna take the origin route.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He says, do you suppose that the

fruit of the truth of the knowledge

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had supernatural power to grant

the knowledge of good and evil?

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Ooh.

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Or do you suppose that it

was just a regular tree?

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Ooh.

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But by disobeying God, Adam and Eve became

aware of their sin, nature, felt shame,

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and became aware of their nakedness.

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Apparently he says.

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Augustine, Chrisos, Chrisos and

Aquinas all go with the latter option,

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and I can't understand why they

don't think it's simply magic fruit.

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It sounds like appreciate

the reference of magic fruit.

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Yeah.

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It sounds It sounds like a cereal.

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Yeah.

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Trick tricks are for kids, bro.

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The truth of the knowledge of good evil.

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Evil has drawn a lot of speculation

throughout the ages, including

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what type of fruit was it?

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There are people that are, will

go to the wall on, it was an

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apple and it was a brisket tree.

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Yeah.

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You know, brisket tree for short peaches.

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It was this, that and the other thing.

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Grapefruits.

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Here's my take on it.

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I don't believe there was anything.

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Supernatural about the fruit itself.

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In fact, one of my arguments for

that is the argument that Paul

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makes in Romans chapter five the

problem was the act of disobedience.

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The problem was that the disobeying, he

says this, he says that death entered the

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world through one man and death arraigned.

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Overall, even over those whose sin

was not like Adam, from Adam to Moses.

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And the reason he uses Adam to

Moses is the one thing that Adam

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and Moses' generation onward

had in common is they had a law.

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Adam had a law.

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The law that Adam had was you may

eat from the, any of the trees in

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the garden, don't eat from that tree.

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From the day that you

eat of it, you will die.

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There's the law.

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So.

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When Adam reached out and took from

the fruit and ate of it, he was

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transgressing, he was sinning, he was

breaking God's law, which what took

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place there was the breaking of the

relationship between Adam and God.

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I don't think there was anything

physical about the fruit that

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brought shame and condemnation.

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What happened was the relationship,

the unity that Adam had with the

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father, that Adam had with God.

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That's what was severed and it

was severed because Adam broke.

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God's law.

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He broke God's commandment.

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He disobeyed God in the disobedience

to God is what introduced the

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chasm between him and God.

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So his eyes being opened.

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I believe what took place

there was something spiritual.

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It wasn't necessarily all physical.

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It was something spiritual in that he

experienced guilt for the first time.

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He knew shame for the first time.

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He knew what it was to feel

condemnation for the first time.

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But that, again, didn't have

anything to do with the fruit itself,

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but it had to do with breaking

the law that God had initiated.

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So I don't have anything for

or against magical fruit.

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I don't have a dog in the race.

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I don't have a horse in the show.

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I don't have a fight.

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I don't have a taco on the platter.

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Yeah, I don't have a

bowl of cereal and milk.

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My point is, if, if that's the

case and that's the case, why

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wouldn't that have happened earlier?

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Yeah, because Eves sinned.

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Adams sinned by standing next

to her and failed to do nothing.

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You could argue Adam sinned

before he took of the fruit.

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So again, I don't think

it's magical fruit.

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I don't think magical fruit's the answer.

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It must be that we're, we look at a

forensic, like a slice of the pie.

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What exactly at what point did he send in?

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I wonder if maybe the whole thing,

the whole event is the fall.

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Again Eve sent first, but

nothing happened when she ate.

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Right.

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And it, well, no, hold on.

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Yes.

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When she ate, nothing happened

to, to the rest of humanity.

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It wasn't until Adam partook

that things changed, but he

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sinned before he took the fruit.

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Maybe except my pushback on that was

there was no, there, there was no law

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for him to sin against at that point.

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There was no, this is the

biblical order of what it looks

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like for you to lead your wife.

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That when Adam didn't lead his wife,

I know as men we're quick to say, we

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sinned because, Adam should have led his

wife and prevented her from doing that.

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But we're reading a New Testament

understanding of a husband's role with

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his wife into the very first marriage.

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Is it?

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Is it not sin?

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And I guess that's a fair point.

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Usually we think about his

abdication of leadership.

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He's not doing what he should be doing.

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Adam who was with her stood by.

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Right.

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But it seems to me that if Adam knew that

it was wrong to partake of the fruit.

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That for him to fail to

stop her from parting to the

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fruit would've also been sin.

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It would've been a lesser

sin, but a sin nonetheless.

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And that's where it's, the question

is, we don't, we weren't there

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to watch it back in real time.

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So even when it says Eve took

some of the fruit and ate and gave

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some to Adam with her even to, to

understand that, that she was eating

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before he was eating, we don't know.

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I think we're intended to see this as one.

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Contiguous whole the act of rebellion

against God, rather than to parse

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it out to say, well, she did

this first and then he followed.

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And I would say that's again going

back to, 'cause even, Eve's words

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to Satan, God said, don't eat of

it or even touch it lest we die.

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Well, God didn't say don't touch it.

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Mm-hmm.

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So you could, if you wanted, depress

it, go back and say, well, Eve lied by

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saying that God said don't touch it.

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Or misattributed what he said.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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But others have said no.

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She was just trying to stress

the emphasis that she understood

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that this tree was off limits.

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So yeah I would agree with you and

maybe we are looking at it from too

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much of a western standpoint as far

as our, you use the word forensic

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and I think that's probably true.

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I just am saying I don't think there

was something inherent with the fruit

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that brought shame and condemnation.

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I think what brought shame

and in condemnation was Adam.

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Broke God's law, the act

of disobedience, right?

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Yes.

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And I'm just saying, I don't know when

the act of disobedience started and ended.

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Sure.

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I can say that clearly the

fruit was involved, but I

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wonder if it's before that.

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And all of this doesn't necessitate

magical fruit, but it does.

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It does necessitate the act of rebellion.

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And I think that's the point

that is made in the text.

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And I think you're right in citing Paul.

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I think he supports that idea.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's get into our

daily Bible reading today.

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We're in numbers 16 and

17, numbers 16 and 17.

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So we have this brief feeling allude,

and I just wanna point out here something

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that you brought up yesterday, that

chapter 15 is there as a way of revealing

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that God is still a God of mercy.

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He's still a God of grace.

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And I think you're right because

in chapter 16 we get right

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back into bad news for Israel.

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And so if things had stacked from

chapter 14 to chapter 16 to, this

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would just be one loss after

another loss after another loss.

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And so I think you're right by

inserting chapter 15, it's a reminder,

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there's a future still for Israel.

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The promised land will come, they will

enter, they will worship the Lord.

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Because in chapter 16, we

get another bad scene here.

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And this time it's led

by a man named Cora.

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As well as a handful of others.

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In fact, there's gonna be 250 men as

well as Cora and these other men who are

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spearheading this, that are gonna take

their stand against Moses and they're

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gonna take their stand against Aaron.

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And they're basically gonna

say who do you think you are?

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And why don't we get to be, as

powerful and as authoritative as

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you've put yourself out to be.

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It's pride.

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And Moses and Aaron call it out as such.

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In fact, Moses even here, which

is interesting because Moses as an

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intercessor, when the people rebel

against him, is so often humble and meek.

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And he falls on his face and he pleads

for the people and he tries to keep

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God from doing anything, against him.

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But here this time in verse 15

Moses says, to the Lord, he says,

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do not respect their offering.

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I have not taken one donkey from them.

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I have not harmed them one bit.

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And so Moses is angry here and I

don't blame him and I don't think

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this is arrogance from Moses.

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I think this is a righteous indignation

that Moses has here when they are

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charging him, of being prideful and

arrogant about his position and Aaron's

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position as they're trying to get

their own slice of the pie themselves.

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Yeah, this is a sad scene and a sad event.

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But you'll notice that what's happening

here is the people are, and it's

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not just all the people, it's these

guys who are leading the rebellion,

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Cora, among the chief of them.

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They're calling attention to the things

that they don't like about Moses, and

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it seems like it's a false pretense.

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This is not like, well, we have

legitimate claims against him.

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We need to repent for these reasons.

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This is what's in the heart of a man.

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Everybody really, all of us.

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Naturally and easily grumble and

discontent ourselves against the

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leadership that God has installed.

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Whether that leadership is perfect

and amazing and there's no such

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thing we know that, or whether that

leadership is something less than that.

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All of us have the natural inclination

to do this, and I want you to see

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how seriously Moses takes this.

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This kind of complaining and bitterness

against God's leadership is something that

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he takes so seriously that he's going to

execute a severe judgment on the people.

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In part with Moses' cooperation

because as you mention here,

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Moses is mad about this.

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Yeah.

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And he should be, Moses is saying, I'm

trying to live faithfully before them.

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I'm serving them.

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This is for their sake.

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They say to Moses, you've gone too far.

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But then he says to them,

you've gone too far.

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Terrifying event.

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Yeah.

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Moses does intercede because God

initially says to Moses, okay, separate

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your, some yourselves from them, and

I'm gonna consume the congregation.

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And Moses says, well, should the

whole congregation die for one?

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Man sin.

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That's interesting.

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It's not been in the news as

much recently, but we have talked

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a lot about corporate guilt

and corporate responsibility

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for the sins of other people.

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And that's been something that our,

even our nation has talked about.

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Are we responsible for the sins of

our ancestors, so forth and so on.

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And Moses does seem to draw a

line here to say, look, there is a

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principle in which the individual

should bear their own guilt.

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And the congregation, the

whole should not suffer.

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And.

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Face the consequences that

really the, those responsible

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should face for themselves.

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They should pay the guilt that

they themselves have incurred.

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Not necessarily that the whole

congregation should be guilty for the

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sins of these 250 men and these leaders.

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And so Moses intercedes, God agrees,

and Moses sets up how the people

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will know whether or not it's him or.

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Or these other men that, that God

has chosen by saying, God if you've

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chosen me, basically let the earth

swallow them in their households.

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And that's where it gets difficult

too, because we look at the wives

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and we look at the families.

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Now, one thing that's silent

here in scripture is how old

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the children of these men were.

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We don't know.

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We don't know if they were.

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Toddlers.

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We don't know.

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If they were over 20 and

fighting, then we don't know.

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We, we just know that there is a

measure of guilt being passed on

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within the individual family, if

not through the whole congregation.

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Yeah.

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The hard thing is it says here the

little ones, you can't, it's hard

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to look at that and say, okay,

a 20-year-old is a little ones.

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You have to imagine there's

someone young here both ways.

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I either way I can live with both.

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And here's why.

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In the one you have, obviously

guilt that they accept, they

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take accountability for the.

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The sins that their father are committing.

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And I think also you're gonna find out

later, Cora does have surviving family.

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They become part of the temple

singers, and they have some

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psalms that we're gonna read soon.

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But that tells us there's a surviving

remnant that did not participate in this.

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And I assume the reason why is

because they were innocent for

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those who are old enough to discern.

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Anyway, the little ones in verse 27

suggest to me that it's either a.

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Your point, they're old enough to make

their decisions, or B, it is their little

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ones, and here's why I'm okay with it.

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I don't love it.

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I'm not celebrating this,

but I can see how this works.

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If a father is in the car with his

family and he's driving fast and

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he's had a few drinks and he crashes

and he takes out the whole car.

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You understand what happened there.

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You're not gonna look to the Lord

and say, Lord, this is your fault.

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This is, you did this.

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Some people, do you

understand that as well?

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But I think my idea here is I see

how his governance, his leadership

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implicates the whole family.

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And the hard part about this is that we

also have passages that say that the, that

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children won't die for the father sins.

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And I think generally

speaking, that's true.

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However, I will say that I think

God still maintains the authority

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and the privilege as God to make

distinctions as he sees fit.

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Where he has a general rule of

thumb, if we're gonna call it that

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to say the way that I deal with

people is that you die for your own

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sin and others die for their sin.

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You're responsible, you're.

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You're a moral agent that makes decisions,

but that doesn't change the fact that God

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still has executive authority over every

human life, and he does it as he chooses.

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Yeah.

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The Hebrew here is little children.

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Are those unable to march?

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Yeah.

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That's rough, man.

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It is.

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Ugh.

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It is.

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I guess.

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Interesting concept and we're dealing

with a different dispensation, different

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time here, but we will talk about

things like infant salvation, age

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of accountability, things like that.

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I would say perhaps one of the other

comforting ideas or thoughts here

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though, their lives are forfeit.

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Again, because of the sins of the father.

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Perhaps this doesn't imply

that their eternal souls were

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forfeited at the same time.

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If they are little it's possible that

God still showed the grace to bring

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them to be with him in this process.

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Yeah, we're not gonna get there yet,

but in Deuteronomy chapter one I think

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you have one of the clearest sections

where clearly God discriminates

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between those who can make a decision.

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That effectuate their sinful response

and those who are not able to.

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Right.

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I take that Deuteronomy one, Jonah chapter

four, those are some passages that give

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me a decent confidence that those who

are, we use the age of accountability,

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those who are below that age.

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Right.

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And it's probably not an age

as much as it is a development.

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I take comfort that those are

given a special dispensation

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of grace and they're received.

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Yeah, that's my hope.

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Yeah.

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And I have a decent

biblical case for that.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I agree.

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The rest of chapter 16 the 250 these men

had in their fire sensors that they're

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gonna be consumed by the fire of God.

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And, and this is God saying, I have

rejected them and their offering.

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As Moses had asked him to, and then

Moses talked about a visual reminder.

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We talked about this with the tassels.

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This time the visual reminder is gonna be

these sensors, these pans, they're gonna

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be taken and hammered out over the altar

so that the, uh, them being consecrated

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for the use in worshiping the Lord.

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That purpose is gonna be preserved here.

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But this is a hard thing for sure, because

this is a visual reminder for the people.

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Every time they come to the altar, they're

gonna see these sensors from these 250

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men and remember, okay, that's right.

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We can't step out.

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And usurp the authority of God and

the authority of God is imbued upon

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Moses and Aaron and then ultimately the

priestly line that's gonna come after

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this, which is confirmed then in chapter

17 when the rods are brought forth

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and Aaron's rod is the one that shows

the buds, it buds the almond blossoms.

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And God is showing that Aaron

is the one that I've chosen.

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So God is making it abundantly

clear as they're on the doorstep

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of wandering for 40 years.

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You need to know where the

authority of God lays as far as

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humanly speaking and is with.

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Moses and it's with Aaron.

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I also think that you're seeing

the truth that godly leadership

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is fruitful leadership, and that's

because it is attached to the vine.

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John 15 we esteem leaders who produce

fruit in God's economy because they're the

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kind of people that are abiding in Christ.

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Now granted, there's no Jesus in the

Old Testament, this is anachronistic.

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Yes, but the principle remains.

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Godly leadership is always fruitful.

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Leadership.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's jump over to Mark

chapter six for our New Testament.

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We're in the rest of chapter six

today, starting in verse 33 or really

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30 I think, and going all the way

through the end of the chapter here.

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But, feeding of the 5,000.

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Jesus comes away with his disciples.

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They're trying to get some rest, but

the crowds, they're gonna follow him.

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And this is where we get that grace

statement in verse 34, when he went

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ashore, he saw the great crowd and it

says he had compassion on them because

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they were like sheep without a shepherd.

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And he began to teach them many things.

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I talked recently about

compassion and sympathy.

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And compassion is sympathy and action.

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And here we see that Jesus has

compassion on the crowds and then acts

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on that compassion by teaching them.

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And this is about feeding them physically,

but the greater need that they had

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here is being met by Jesus before

their hunger even manifests itself.

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Their greater need was they

needed the food of God's word.

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They needed the food of being taught

the word of God by the Word of God.

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And so he's gonna do that.

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He's gonna meet their greatest need first,

and then yes, the need of hunger comes up.

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And I think in the rest of this miracle,

and then also the miracle of him walking

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on water after this, we see two tests

of faith that are really more about

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the disciples than they are about.

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The crowds.

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And so Jesus will often teach the crowds

and the disciples at the same time.

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And he's teaching everybody one thing

and the disciples a different thing.

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And here I think we see that when the

disciples come to Jesus, Jesus says,

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well, you give them something to eat.

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That's test number one that

we see in Mark chapter six.

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And the disciples say

we don't have enough.

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And then Jesus meets the need.

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Jesus feeds the 5,000, he takes the

loaves and the fish, and he multiplies

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it, and they pick up the baskets full.

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And then I think the second test

is found when after this, he

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sends the disciples on and he.

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Comes to them on in the fourth watch of

the night and he's walking on the sea.

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Okay?

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That's a scene in and of itself.

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But then it says this in verse

48, he meant to pass them by.

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Jesus was just gonna

walk right on by them.

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And again, I think we see

another test of faith.

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Do the disciples believe who this is and

that he's in control and that all is okay.

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Now, there's another scene here that's

recorded by other riders where Peter wants

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to get out on the boat, out of the boat.

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And walk to him.

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And Mark doesn't record that

force, but the others do.

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And again, the test of

faith, do you believe me?

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And so he gets in the boat with

them and he says, take heart.

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It's, I do not be afraid.

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And then they reach their destination,

which is Esate here, and he begins to

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heal and teach again because the crowds

had run over to where he was going.

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Curious.

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Then in Mark six, this is

typically how we understand it.

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Peter's gospel.

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Yes.

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And yet we don't have

him walking on water.

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Yes.

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Probably the coolest

thing that Peter ever did.

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Right.

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And he's like, no need to mention that.

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Right.

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We're okay without that.

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Yeah.

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This whole scene is so cool.

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I love Jesus walking on water.

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This is one of those things where

it communicates his deity more

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loudly than almost anything else.

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For sure.

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I can't think of a better way for

Jesus to say I'm God than to say,

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I'm just gonna walk on the water.

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Yeah.

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Watch this.

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Yeah.

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It's become such a meme in our

culture that whenever someone talks

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about, are you walking on water?

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Like they're trying to say,

oh are you, God, are you

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essentially someone who's deity?

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Right?

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And I think this is one of

those passages that doesn't

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say, by the way, Jesus is God.

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But it does.

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Yeah.

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It says it as explicitly

as one can understand it.

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This is such a cool scene.

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Don't miss it.

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In fact, another cool scene that the

feeding of the 5,000, if Jesus can

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provide for 5,000 people with nothing.

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He can provide for you.

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Yeah.

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He's capable of doing that.

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In fact, the fact that he has 12

baskets full matching each one of the

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disciples, I think is meant to show them,

look, I can care for you individually.

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Yeah, I've got you.

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Yeah.

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I'm gonna take care of your needs.

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I'm not gonna let you starve.

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I have your back.

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And there's nothing more comforting

than knowing that Jesus is the one

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who's providing for you day in, day out.

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Just think.

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When's the last time you asked

Jesus for your daily bread?

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Have you asked him for that?

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He tells you to.

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He does.

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And yet I, man, I just

prayed for it at lunch.

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I was about to eat the bread that was

in front of me and I'm like, Lord,

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thank you for giving me daily bread.

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Didn't ask for it, but I'm gonna ask

for it now and I'm gonna enjoy it.

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Jesus provides even when we don't

ask, oh, what a good savior.

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We have this, these enjoy the gospels.

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We're not gonna be in the gospels

all year, obviously, because we're

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gonna move into the epistles and

then some of the smaller books.

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But please enjoy these.

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These are so good.

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Which may be just a nugget on that.

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You talked about praying

for our food at lunch.

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A lot of times we grow up

and we're praying and we're

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saying, God bless this food.

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And somebody will say, give it a

blessing or something like that.

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And if you've gone through partners

before we talk about this in Partners

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on 1 0 1 Discipleship Program, but

I think what you were just talking

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about there is really what we're

doing when we pray for our food.

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It, there's nothing intrinsically

different about your.

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A piece of pizza after you, you pray for

it, other than you've expressed gratitude

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to the Lord for providing it for you.

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And that's what we're doing.

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We're saying, God, thank you for this.

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Thank you for giving me this.

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Thank you for giving my daily bread.

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We're not blessing it in the sense of now

it's holy pizza because we blessed it.

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And so this is, is,

hold on a second there.

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That's this holy pizza.

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I don't care what you say.

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The calories don't

count when you bless it.

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Yeah.

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It when they get to your stomach,

it's like wearing a pop hat.

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It's like, I'm good.

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I'm, I'm here.

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It's, don't worry about it.

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No, but we're not changing it.

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Right?

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It's, and you can get food poisoning

as a Christian, just as easy as

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you can get food poisoning as a

non-Christian and you can get food

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poisoning from food you prayed for.

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Just as easy as you can get food poisoning

from food that you didn't pray for.

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So Les, we become overly mystical.

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I think it's important that we

remember what we're really doing

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when we're praying over a meal is.

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Thank God.

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Thanks for my daily bread.

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Well, let's pray right now and then

we'll be done with this episode.

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God, we thank you for the daily bread

that we have in the Word of God.

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We thank you that we get to pick up

the Bible and read it and understand

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it, and we pray that we would be

faithful and diligent to apply its

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truths to our lives on a regular basis.

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And so we thank you for that opportunity

today, even as we've talked through

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these passages and help pray that

you would help us to remember them.

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Throughout our day and to

apply them as we live them out.

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In Jesus' name, amen.

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Keep reading those Bibles y'all.

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Tune in again tomorrow for another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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