Shownotes
Pete Brownell of Brownells returns to State of the Second to talk about where the firearms market is headed and why building your own gun has become a statement about who you are. He tells hosts John and Kaylee that the industry has moved past the pandemic scarcity buying, when people loaded up the gun vault with AR-15s and pistols. Now owners are pulling those guns back out and customizing them. Brownells is leaning into that shift with build recipes, a deeper gunsmithing product line, and content that teaches people how to accessorize and maintain their firearms. He frames the AR-15 as the Jeep of the firearms industry, an open platform people make their own, and says Sig has opened up its platform in a way that puts it right in the wake of Glock for aftermarket support.
The conversation widens into the right to build and the right to repair. Brownell traces gunsmithing back to before the Constitution and argues the Obama and Biden administrations clamped down on FFLs with zero-tolerance enforcement, thinning out the local gun shops that anchor gun culture in a community. He says 54% of firearm transactions still come through a mom and pop shop, and that the ATF is now inviting those FFLs back. He makes a case for the trades over a default college path, points to gunsmithing trade schools and youth programs like Eddie Eagle, scholastic shooting, hunter safety, and ROTC, and argues firearm education has to start young because abstinence-style 'don't touch' messaging does not work.
On policy, Brownell is direct that firearms leaders cannot sit out politics, and that customers punish companies that quietly work against the Second Amendment. He breaks down the HPA moving to the Senate and his read that removing suppressors from the NFA has the votes while the SHORT Act is a tougher lift for reconciliation. He predicts a summer slowdown ahead of a 90-day enactment window, then a demand spike, a suppressor scarcity, and eventually falling prices as production ramps, possibly into the $100 to $200 range. He and Kaylee also cover state-level wins like PLCA protection in Tennessee, constitutional carry crossing 50% of states, the California Glock-switch fight, and GOA's mission to protect, defend, and restore. Brownell closes on Brownells returning as GOALS title sponsor and urges listeners to get involved in their local 2A community.
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Questions this episode answers
How has the firearms market shifted from the pandemic buying era to today?
During the pandemic, owners stocked up on AR-15s and pistols out of scarcity. Now, Pete Brownell says, those buyers are pulling guns back out of the safe and customizing them, which is why Brownells is leaning into build recipes and a deeper gunsmithing line.
Why does Pete Brownell call the AR-15 the Jeep of the firearms industry?
He sees the AR-15 as an open platform people make their own, the same way Jeep owners modify their vehicles. He adds that Sig has opened up its platform enough to sit right behind Glock for aftermarket support.
What advice does Pete Brownell give new gun companies about aftermarket and repair parts?
He argues a company should open its platform to aftermarket and repair support, pointing to how Glock and now Sig built deep accessory ecosystems that owners can customize and maintain themselves.
What are the right to build and the right to repair, and why do they matter for local gun shops?
Brownell traces gunsmithing to before the Constitution and frames building and repairing your own firearm as a long-standing right. He says zero-tolerance enforcement thinned out the local FFLs that anchor gun culture, though 54% of firearm sales still run through a mom-and-pop shop.
How can the industry bring back more gunsmiths and the hometown gun shop?
He points to gunsmithing trade schools and making the trades a real alternative to a default college path. He also notes the ATF is now inviting FFLs back, which he sees as a path to rebuilding the local shops that support gun culture.
Should firearms companies stay out of politics, and what happens when they push against the Second Amendment?
Brownell is direct that firearms leaders cannot sit out politics. He says customers punish companies that quietly work against the Second Amendment, and that customer pressure is the strongest force on how a company behaves.
What does Pete Brownell expect removing suppressors from the NFA to do to the market and to prices?
He reads the votes as there to remove suppressors from the National Firearms Act, with the SHORT Act a tougher lift. He predicts a summer slowdown, then a demand spike and suppressor scarcity after a 90-day enactment window, with prices eventually falling toward the $100 to $200 range as production ramps.
Why is state-level work like PLCA protection and constitutional carry so important for the industry?
Brownell highlights wins like PLCA protection in Tennessee and constitutional carry crossing half the states as proof the fight is being won locally. He ties this to Gun Owners of America's mission to protect, defend, and restore the Second Amendment, and urges listeners to get involved in their local 2A community.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Welcome and intro with Pete Brownell
- 00:18 — Rapid fire: rarest guns and impulse buys
- 02:55 — Getting new gun owners into the movement
- 05:21 — What's new at Brownells: the shift to builds
- 08:50 — Accessorizing Glock, AR, Sig and 1911
- 10:00 — Advice to gun companies on aftermarket support
- 12:15 — The next homebrew build and standardization
- 15:54 — Right to build and right to repair
- 20:42 — Reviving gunsmiths and the local gun shop
- 25:25 — Youth education: Eddie Eagle, shooting sports, ROTC
- 27:32 — Soapbox: why companies can't sit out politics
- 31:53 — State-level wins: PLCA and constitutional carry
- 35:38 — HPA, suppressors and the SHORT Act
- 45:02 — California Glock fight and red herring attacks
- 51:53 — GOALS title sponsorship and closing
About the guest
Pete Brownell is from Brownells, the firearms parts, tools, and accessories company, which he says has been in business 85 years and talking about building community for 66 years. He is a past president of the NRA, a role he references during the episode, and says he has been working in the Second Amendment fight for 30 years. He inherited a miniature Mauser from his father and is an avid mountain biker.
Key quotes
"AR15s are the Jeep of the firearms industry." — Pete Brownell
"My grandpa used to say back in the 30s, show me a town without a gunsmith, I'll show you a town without guns." — Pete Brownell
"If you are in a leadership role in the firearms related company and you're not in politics, you won't be in a leadership role for long." — Pete Brownell
"There is no stronger motivation than your customers telling you what's right or wrong as a company." — Pete Brownell
"And I would encourage everybody to learn how to build a firearm." — Pete Brownell
Transcripts
Welcome to Gun Owners of America State of the Second podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Kaylee.
Speaker B:And I'm John.
Speaker B:And today we're talking with Pete Brownell from Brownells.
Speaker C:Good morning.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Good to be here, John.
Speaker B:Kaylee, it's great to have you back on the show again.
Speaker B:We appreciate everything you do for the Second Amendment.
Speaker B:So we're gonna go ahead and dive into this.
Speaker B:We have our new segment for you because you've previously been new to you is our Rapid fire questions.
Speaker B:We're gonna ask you five questions.
Speaker B:We're going to have you answer them for us.
Speaker B:So what are the three rarest guns in your collection?
Speaker C:Oh, I got a really interesting one that I inherited from my dad.
Speaker C:It's a miniature Mauser that was taken off during World War II when the U.S. liberated Germany.
Speaker C:It was taken right off the manufacturing floor, the director desk of Mauser.
Speaker C:So we have that little miniature in our collection, which is really cool.
Speaker C:Maybe not rare, but one of my favorites is a musket that when the president becomes, well, at once, some of the inauguration parties, there's a musket that's given by a maker given to the president.
Speaker C:So when Trump came in first time around, he got a musket.
Speaker C:And I was president of the NRA at the time, so I got the number two and Trump's got number one of that one.
Speaker C:So that's pretty cool.
Speaker C:My third, really.
Speaker C:It's a Daniel.
Speaker C:It's not rare.
Speaker C:It's really cool when it's a.
Speaker C:It's Daniel Defense.
Speaker C:One of their first production runs, so.
Speaker C:And it shoots really well.
Speaker C:So that's.
Speaker C:That's one of my favorite, rarest ones, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah, that is awesome.
Speaker A:So what has been the latest impulse buy that you've done?
Speaker C:Since I caught wind of that question, I've been thinking about that.
Speaker C:I'm a big, also big mountain biker and bicycle person, so I bought some new biking shoes finally, after 30 years.
Speaker B:What do you think about the rise of content creators in the firearms industry?
Speaker C:I think it's a.
Speaker C:It's an awesome.
Speaker C:It's an awesome move.
Speaker C:I was back in poma days.
Speaker C:This was back when it was all print, Professional Outdoor Media association, its origination.
Speaker C:And we struggled to recognize the impact that social media and content creators were gonna make.
Speaker C:So we started a movement bringing all the content creators out of the, I would say the basement up into the main light, competing and being mentored by some of the famous writers out there for print.
Speaker C:And I think it's really blossomed from there.
Speaker C:It really is the mainstay of the industry right now.
Speaker C:So it was really a great, it's really been a great addition to content and unique content, authentic content.
Speaker C:It's more than just ad driven content.
Speaker C:So I think it's a fantastic movement.
Speaker C:Grows the industry and grows the knowledge.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:What do you feel like is the number one way that we are getting new gun owners into the movement?
Speaker C:That's a good question.
Speaker C:Number one way.
Speaker C:I think it's, I think it's a cultural shift toward.
Speaker C:It's important to be a responsible gun owner and getting that definition out there.
Speaker C:You can always say go out to the range and shoot, but people will still go back into their closet, so to speak, if they're living in areas where that culture of gun ownership is not prevalent.
Speaker C:So I think changing the culture is allowing people to feel like they can be an out and proud gun owner.
Speaker C:Maybe I'll put it in those terms.
Speaker C:So I think cultural change is a big one.
Speaker B:No, I like that answer a lot.
Speaker B:What is your everyday carry?
Speaker C:So it kind of depends where I'm going.
Speaker C:Oh, I was going to say I had a. I've got a Sig.
Speaker C:I've got a Sig.
Speaker C:I got a new Sig, a new modern Sig.
Speaker C:So that's my, that's kind of my go to.
Speaker C:I have a bread at 92 that I carry as well.
Speaker C:And I got a 40, an Ed Brown 45.
Speaker C:When it's.
Speaker C:When I'm out in Arizona.
Speaker C:Not sleep.
Speaker C:It's a, it's a.
Speaker C:Not a concealed carry.
Speaker C:My head Brown.
Speaker B:Kaylee, look, most Americans.
Speaker B:You have a savings account, right?
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker B:Do you have an ammo savings account?
Speaker A:I also do.
Speaker B:And is that through Ammo Squared?
Speaker A:It is and I've had it for over two years.
Speaker B:Ammo Squared is the only website where you can purchase ammo a little bit at a time and then get it shipped directly to your door.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I have a little bit of money that goes in every month and then I can divide what percentage of that money is used for what calibers of ammo, and then all of a sudden hit a thousand rounds and it gets shipped to my door.
Speaker B:Well, what if I don't want one of the 70 calibers they have available?
Speaker A:You get to pick and choose and you can even adjust the mounts so that you can hit your target goals faster.
Speaker B:Well, what if I don't want that ammo anymore?
Speaker B:Can I switch it?
Speaker B:Can I get my money back?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:It's really easy.
Speaker A:And I always like to see the graph fill up at the End of every month.
Speaker B:So where do I go to get such an awesome Service?
Speaker A:Go to ammo squared.com get it now.
Speaker B:Start your ammo savings [email protected] let's kind of go ahead and dive into this brown out.
Speaker B:Last year when we talked about we talked about the anniversary of Brownells and things like that.
Speaker B:Since then, what is new at Brownells?
Speaker B:What are you super excited about about the company.
Speaker B:As we passed the last year since we talked.
Speaker C:So really it's been a movement of helping builders build or accessorize.
Speaker C:The market is shifted from kind of the pandemic days.
Speaker C:We've talked about it for the last really 36 months.
Speaker C:Moving from pandemic where it's just scarcity buying and and let's load up the the gun locker or the gun vault with AR15s and different pistols.
Speaker C:Now people are customizing them, making them personal to them and almost this is what my three gun setup is looking like.
Speaker C:So we're really excited about some of the builds that we're putting out there.
Speaker C:Call them recipes for gun builders out there making it making sure that things are totally available so you can complete that project.
Speaker C:And a lot more content being put around the build.
Speaker C:A lot more knowledge that we're seeing this big push of big bulk of gun owners that came through.
Speaker C:A lot of those were protection minded but there's a sliver of them that have gone on to make their second and third for just really smart people just haven't had experience or knowledge or network mentor to help them understand how to how to accessorize and personalize their firearms.
Speaker C:So we've really moved from last year to this year with more more of the recipe for for building.
Speaker C:We're also excited about the a little more in depth Brownell products.
Speaker C:We were we've been known for gunsmithing tools and the BRN uppers on on Ars and the slides.
Speaker C:But we're diving a little bit deeper into some of the core things that a anybody on a gun bench would want to have on their on their bench.
Speaker C:So we want to own this bench here that's in your your build space.
Speaker C:And there's a lot of products that have traditionally been Brownells on this bench.
Speaker C:And now that we are we're back full on looking deep into our product line making sure there's good stuff like this vise or good paints or good screwdriver sets.
Speaker C:This the core products you need to be a good builder, a competent competent at maintaining your firearms.
Speaker C:So those are the two big things.
Speaker B:So Just so people, the audience out there understands we went from a very heavy gun market.
Speaker B:Now we're going into a very heavy kind of accessory market.
Speaker B:Seeing that the people who have bought are now taking what they bought and kind of making it their own and building up on it.
Speaker C:We are, we're seeing two movements that lead right into accessorization.
Speaker C:And after 85 years, we.
Speaker C:We always see this big spike in sales.
Speaker C:You'll see it in nix checks where people are buying firearms and then that cools off and people are going back to the gun vaults and they're, they're pulling off the firearms that they may have bought years ago and they're starting to customize them.
Speaker C:We also see a lot of people taking guns out of their safe and then going back to the gun store to sell them to convert that into cash so they can then buy maybe an optic or upgrade an accessories.
Speaker C:So this is a, this is always trails a big spike where we see accessorization, personalization in form of colors, new optics, new handguards, just new things that make what you got better and, and both in the resale market and the, the.
Speaker C:The actual working in out of what you also have in your.
Speaker C:In your gun vault.
Speaker B:So in the past, the top two most accessorized guns from for the most part were Glock and AR15s.
Speaker B:Have we seen a shift in kind of the opening of accessories for other brands?
Speaker B:Like the Sigs have been really high on that too, and things like that.
Speaker C:They have been.
Speaker C:So yeah, Ars are always.
Speaker C:It's the most versatile firearm out there to personalize it by what you want it to do in the field or at the range, and also how you want to make it your own.
Speaker C:We Glocks most definitely some of the better accessories out there are still Glocks.
Speaker C:And you've nailed it.
Speaker C:Sig is the brand that has opened up their platform.
Speaker C:And there's a lot of innovation going around the Sig right now.
Speaker C:And it's good innovation.
Speaker C:They're falling right in the wake of Glock in that part of it.
Speaker C: Really the: Speaker C:Still.
Speaker C: of fit and customized on the: Speaker C: out there on accessories for: Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I'm going to ask this as a kind of a broad statement.
Speaker B:You know, Glock was really good in the early days of letting people, you know, build off and accessorize it.
Speaker B:If you were to give to a piece of advice to these gun companies about the aftermarket, what would it be?
Speaker B:Because most of them, they'll launch a new gun, do you think immediately they should have an aftermarket support or is it something that they should wait on too?
Speaker C:I'm a little bit biased in that I think aftermarket support for two reasons.
Speaker C:And maybe I'll use this as a story.
Speaker C:When a firearm can't be repaired with OEM parts, it starts to get a brand deterioration.
Speaker C:So if you got a broken gun and the gunsmith, you walk in the store and they say, I can't get parts for that, you're gonna stop buying that gun.
Speaker C:When you launch a new, a new pistol, new rifle, new shotgun, have repair parts ready to go.
Speaker C:Because nobody produces something that is customer proof.
Speaker C:They break all the time.
Speaker C:We built a multimillion dollar business based on that specific support vehicle for gun companies.
Speaker C:Have those parts ready.
Speaker C:We'll make sure the tools are there to make sure they're maintained and just kind of like Jeep.
Speaker C:Jeep.
Speaker C:Jeep had this concept where I'm going to open up my platform to have all this kind of accessorization and customization allowed.
Speaker C:AR15s are the Jeep of the firearms industry.
Speaker C:Glock also allows a lot of customization.
Speaker C:Provide, provide those connectors to a, to a top or a slide or an upper that so customers can personalize that firearm.
Speaker C:It's a totem that people have at the range.
Speaker C:This is my, my Glock.
Speaker C: y ar, it's my sig, this is my: Speaker C:It's not just adding a forend and maybe a new base plate or optic.
Speaker C:It's really about how people want to customize it to fit who they are.
Speaker C:So I would suggest new companies, new platforms out there, make sure we have parts, so repair them and open it up and have this concept that your firearm will be modified to fit the personality out there and just lean into that and actually engage the community in that, in that endeavor as well.
Speaker B:Now in the, in the past, the top two build guns or home brew guns would be AR15 and a Glock.
Speaker B:Because of the, you know, we had the polymer 80s, we had AR15s are really easy.
Speaker B:What is the next homebrew?
Speaker B:I'm personally thinking it's bolt guns because of how easy they are.
Speaker B:But what, what would you say would be the next homebrew kind of build up gun.
Speaker C:You know, we've been looking at that one for a while.
Speaker C:It is, it is surprisingly easy to buy the component parts and put them together.
Speaker C:You still, for a bolt gun, you still need to have the proper tools.
Speaker C:But it's not as mysterious as gunsmiths have made it over the years.
Speaker C:You can take that action, put it in a good vise, an action wrench, crank down that barrel to its right torque and put on a chassis and you're basically 80% of the way there with that.
Speaker C:Then it's sighting in the, the optic you want to put on it and then finding a good trigger for you.
Speaker C:And there's a lot, there's good options to kind of put the pins in and adjust it.
Speaker C:So it's, it's not a lot of mystery around it right now.
Speaker C:And precision manufacturing has allowed that and they've adopted a lot of the universal thread pitches and all the things with so components from different manufacturers.
Speaker C:Those tolerances start to fit together much like the AR15 did back in the late 90s.
Speaker C:It was difficult to have people that won't believe this, but it was difficult to have uniformity between the manufacturers back in the 90s on the AR15.
Speaker C:And now it's a universal fit and bolt action companies are following that as well.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:We think, we think that all platforms are pretty easy to customize and put the components together the way you need them.
Speaker B:Well, it's fun.
Speaker C:So both actions are good.
Speaker C:1.
Speaker B:It's funny you brought up, you know, standardization.
Speaker B:The AR15 has become standardized.
Speaker B:Can somebody please standardize the AR10?
Speaker B:Someone please can we get that standardized?
Speaker C:There was, my gosh, it was the Picatinny rail right now that's universal.
Speaker C:Everybody, everybody comes to the table and they can put everything from every manufacturer.
Speaker C:And the Picatinny rail, there was such a standard deviation from the standard back in the 90s.
Speaker C:You, you wanted to take the Picatinny rail off and put a Weaver rail on because Weaver was at least uniform amongst all the other brands.
Speaker C:Now that's completely reversed and picked in.
Speaker C:Finally manufacturing came to a state an agreeable standard and AR10 will find its path as well.
Speaker C:So just talking about it now, people at the manufacturing go, hey, that's a good idea.
Speaker C:Why don't we do that?
Speaker C:You know, sometimes it's like Captain obvious, but you get no production run and people don't think of that when they're really running hard.
Speaker C:So that's one of the benefits of slowing down.
Speaker C:They can then go back and Work on the, on the core platform.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:One of the things that I love about, you know, the conversations around, you know, building your own firearms, customizing, personalizing is it all goes back to the fundamentals of the second amendment.
Speaker A:Being able to take personal responsibility for your firearm.
Speaker A:Understanding that firearm in detail really empowers you as a gun owner to,.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker A:Think it invites an additional level of ownership and I think it's critical when so much of the political class wants to fear monger that we don't let them victimize or cast dispersions or shadows on us.
Speaker A:Being able to repair, to build our firearms ourselves.
Speaker C:Two movements coming on right now, and we see them being needed right now because of what exactly you're talking about.
Speaker C:The right to repair and the right to build.
Speaker C:So the right to build is something that we've had since, frankly, before the Constitution, when this country was first founded and first explored gunsmithing, or building your firearm or repairing your firearm was something that was needed in every community.
Speaker C:My grandpa used to say back in the 30s, show me a town without a gunsmith, I'll show you a town without guns.
Speaker C:There was a movement under the first, well, the Obama 1 and 2 and then Biden administration to really clamp down on gunsmiths to eliminate them from the communities around the country.
Speaker C:And if you think about it, the second amendment is exercised through a gun shop, through an ffl.
Speaker C:If there's no ffl, we cannot do a sale, then that starts to build up this gun show and that's being clamped down as well.
Speaker C:So when those clamps were squeezing and there was a zero tolerance policy for FFLs, we started to see towns without gunsmiths.
Speaker C:So the right to build and the right to repair were also tied with.
Speaker C:We need more gunsmiths and those three components out there.
Speaker C:And I would encourage everybody to learn how to build a firearm.
Speaker C:We were talking about how easy it is to put the components together for yourself, not just for second amount of protection, but for the enjoyment of building something from scratch and going out there and using that in the field, but also helping that local gunsmith, that person who is driving the culture of responsible gun ownership in the community.
Speaker C:Getting people out to hunt for the first time, going to the range and teaching self defense.
Speaker C:Those are core concepts a local gun shop should really endear themselves to and start to build that second amendment culture.
Speaker C:Teach your people how to repair their own firearm.
Speaker C:There's plenty of sources for parts and tools.
Speaker C:We're the largest out there doing it.
Speaker C:The local gun shop is your is your source of information.
Speaker C:And they're also embodying.
Speaker C:They always have that right to build and that right to repair and that right to be in business to sell, really the second amendment and freedom across America.
Speaker C:So we strongly believe in those.
Speaker C:Those three movements.
Speaker B:With that, you brought up the Biden administration.
Speaker B:Zero tolerance.
Speaker B:And we've seen that recently lifted.
Speaker B:Do you feel like we've lost that hometown gun shop vibe where, you know, guys would hang out around the pot of coffee and hang out?
Speaker B:Have we lost that?
Speaker B:Is that something we can bring back?
Speaker C:Oh, it's.
Speaker C:Yes, it is something we can bring back.
Speaker C:We have almost commercialize too much the gun shop where it's all transactions.
Speaker C:And we've been talking at Brownells for, well, all 66 years now about building a community.
Speaker C:It's not just having friends, it's having that center that is the positive reinforcement of gun culture in America.
Speaker C:And by a large margin, that's what we get.
Speaker C:54% Of all transactions come through of a firearm transaction comes through a mom and pop shop.
Speaker C:You kind of lose that sitting around a cup of coffee at the bigger stores, but you get a lot of good transactions, good accessorization and access through some of the bigger box stores, but you lose that personal contact where you can explore what's going to fit.
Speaker C:For me, take the time where a real expert is there to help you find that right option.
Speaker C:And that's really the community that's being being built.
Speaker C:And so sometimes in America with that zero tolerance, we've seen gun shops go away.
Speaker C:Now there's a ATF just recently are inviting those FFLs back for a license and they'll quickly go through the process to reestablish that gun store in every community, which I would encourage people to step back in and talk to the new atf.
Speaker C:They're not as punitive as the previous administrations and get that local community back.
Speaker C:So the vast majority of gun transactions go through that mom and pop store.
Speaker C:And that's where that community is really built for a lot of reasons.
Speaker C:That person behind the desk is many times a person who's out at the range teaching.
Speaker C:And they become that focal point of second amendment in your community.
Speaker C:And we need more gunsmiths and gun shops out there.
Speaker B:Speaking of getting more gunsmiths, I mean, we've seen a decline in that.
Speaker B:How do we encourage more young people and people to get into the.
Speaker B:Into being a gunsmith?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So there's a push that go to a trade school versus go to college so that we lose a lot of really good gunsmiths and a lot of good tradesmen over this cultural shift that hey, going to college is your path to success.
Speaker C:And what that experiment is, it works for some who can land those good jobs.
Speaker C:But what it really had done was it got you the minimum standard to get an okay job with a lot of debt for a lot of years.
Speaker C:Going into the trades and gunsmiths is a critical trade that you can hang your shingle up anywhere and get a job is something we'd encourage.
Speaker C:There are, oh gosh, what was there 17 gunsmithing schools out there right now that will give you a two year trades degree.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:You can, with that degree you can come right into a gun shop or hang around, shingle up.
Speaker C:I would encourage you to dementor in a gun shop because knowing how to gunsmith and then knowing the business of gunsmithing is like going from junior high to pro pro ball.
Speaker C:You really got to understand the trade and, and hone your skills.
Speaker C:So mentor yourself a little bit going right into high school, go right into a gunsmithing trade school and then find yourself a mentor or get into the military and start working in some of those gunsmithing or repair Moses out there.
Speaker C:Those are good trades.
Speaker C:And when you come out, there is always a job.
Speaker C:We need gunsmiths across America right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think one of the key pieces of that situation is an encouragement for students even at the high school level to be involved in the second amendment.
Speaker A:I mean we look at the Biden administration wanting to take away hunter education courses From K through 12 education and you see those attacks on the Second Amendment, the vast amount of schools no longer having shooting teams.
Speaker A:And so it's incumbent upon parents, upon grandparents to start that second amendment education in the home, continue that, that education if your children are able to be on a shooting team, you know, so that we can encourage the growth of the second amendment.
Speaker A:Because this is, you know, it's a God given right, it's a natural right and we need to do everything to protect it at every level.
Speaker A:And that does mean encouraging people to join the trade side of the two, a community as well.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C: There was: Speaker C:My kids and I still remember the, you know, don't touch, tell an adult, you know, it used to be runaway tell an adult.
Speaker C:Firearm safety was, was all about don't touch.
Speaker C:Now I grew up in a home with a lot of firearms.
Speaker C:Many people in the community around that.
Speaker C:I grew up in in rural America.
Speaker C:Understood, don't touch that firearm that was sitting in the gun case.
Speaker C:And we've lost that appreciation for and that responsibility to train.
Speaker C:We've lost that until very recently.
Speaker C:Now Eddie Eagle is starting to come back into schools and almost being mandated to be taught at the right levels to help.
Speaker C:Some of the issues about accidental deaths or accidental discharges by children, I mean it's a tragedy when that happens, but we don't train our kids, we don't take that responsibility.
Speaker C:As a gun owning community strong enough, we teach our children, but we want to make sure that the rest of the community out there has a chance to understand what gun safety really is at that age and that you start to get this respect for firearms.
Speaker C:Too many times our understanding of firearms are presented to us through movies.
Speaker C:Now we love them, but we have a, these box office hits all have a, they seem to have a violent streak through them.
Speaker C:If that's where we're getting our education, we are not teaching the right things to children.
Speaker C:And I'm afraid that that's kind of that gap that we've had in gun safety needs to start at a young age.
Speaker C:I'm glad to see schools starting to recognize that and start to have proactive approach to, to teaching our kids.
Speaker C:Abstinence does not work.
Speaker C:So just saying don't.
Speaker C:We're just not going to teach you.
Speaker C:Stay away from it and then turn on to the next, the next topic.
Speaker C:That's not going to work.
Speaker C:It's never worked in any, any one of these, these areas of risks in our lives.
Speaker C:So education helps and starts there.
Speaker C:Then that moves into scholastic targets.
Speaker C:That's one of the fastest growing and most, I guess, humbling sport out there.
Speaker C:And it leavens or this kind of flattens the, some of the gender gap and some of the sports in schools that have really more mature kids as you grow up, that really flattens it.
Speaker C:Shooting sports is all about hand, eye skill and temperament.
Speaker C:And regardless of where you are in your maturity or boys and girls, it really flattens it.
Speaker C:And it's a great sport to get your kids involved in because, because of respect, teamwork, competition with other teams, you start to build these friends.
Speaker C:Hunter and you mentioned Hunter.
Speaker C:Safety is another good one as well.
Speaker C:Those things are starting to come back as a kind of a core understanding of not just hunting, but just the life cycle of life as well.
Speaker C:So it's good education out there.
Speaker C:I'd encourage anybody that's in education to start looking at those three programs, try to bring them to your community.
Speaker C:And there's good resources out there to help you get along that path.
Speaker C:And those things build a good foundation.
Speaker C:ROTC is another good one.
Speaker C:So young ROTC is another good program.
Speaker C:That whole administrative shift is also impacting a positive approach toward recruitment in the military right now.
Speaker C:Another good venture.
Speaker C:If you're not going into college or into the trades.
Speaker C:Military is another great activity and outlet to really mature you and get you ready for America.
Speaker C:And also you're supporting the whole ethos of what our Constitution is about when you, when you raise your hand and volunteer to serve.
Speaker C:So there's a couple of great programs out there that really kind of lean into where our community and our culture is whiplashing back from what I would call those other administrative approaches to cultural growth.
Speaker A:We're going to go to our next segment, which is from the Soapbox, where we discuss more of the spicier side of what's going on with the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:Obviously, you and Brownells as a whole has been a huge driver for the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:What do you say to other companies that maybe say, I don't want to touch politics.
Speaker A:We're comfortable here.
Speaker A: Is that a viable option in: Speaker A: Coming on to: Speaker C:If you are in a leadership role in the firearms related company and you're not in politics, you won't be in a leadership role for long.
Speaker C:Our industry has been under very tight scrutiny for my gosh, since 68, 69 to change and modify and genuflect, to bend a knee to what would be called progressive thoughts and policies.
Speaker C:And someone at the NRA explained this to me quite well said.
Speaker C:Look, from the time the Constitution was enacted to today, we are finding ourselves already in the middle.
Speaker C:There is no more half measures or moving toward a new standard of firearm ownership.
Speaker C:You have to be in, you have to, you have to be involved in politics at some level, be it state or federal, with your representatives to help influence what's coming around.
Speaker C:I can tell you this, being in this role for 30 years now, it's gotten tougher to continue to fight for.
Speaker C:Just trying to pinpoint where the battle is going to come next.
Speaker C:From credit card transactions, debanking, higher regulatory risk for insurance companies.
Speaker C:The core things get, you know, PayPal, we can't go, we can't have social media aspects out there.
Speaker C:So we're talking about firearms.
Speaker C:That's all shifted to a, to a political agenda to shut down the voice of second amendment or firearm ownership across America, which there's a vast majority of gun owner population of people who could own a gun, own a firearm.
Speaker C:And yet that needs to be clamped down through some of the, I would call them coastal companies that are trying to set an agenda where the vast majority of Americans do not really abide by that.
Speaker C:But in the industry we've got to care about that, otherwise it just goes away.
Speaker C:So you've got to be a, you've got to be a leader inside your company and in your state at least if you're a firearm related company.
Speaker B:What would you say to a company that is in the second amendment space but seems to be pushing against some of the Pro2A agenda?
Speaker C:There's a couple of examples of that in modern ones pushing against the agenda.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:There is no stronger motivation than your customers telling you what's right or wrong as a company.
Speaker C:If you're pushing against a, an agenda, be it suppressors, for example, right now your customers will tell you by where they spend their dollars.
Speaker C:And it's usually the ones that there was.
Speaker C:Like Illinois had a what registry, a gun registry that was thankfully stopped.
Speaker C:Customers will tell you whether you appreciate your political efforts or not.
Speaker C:And when I look at what we're doing with politics for our organization, I always assume, and it should be this way, that everything I do, everything our company stands for should be public.
Speaker C:There's no back room smoky deals.
Speaker C:That's just not how our culture is and how most companies are.
Speaker C:And everything you do out there has to be for the betterment of the personal ownership of firearms.
Speaker C:And when a company steps up against it or can't explain their position because they want to hide it for their own personal guilt, they're just going to be punished by their customers.
Speaker C:And that's what happens.
Speaker C:So if you go down that path, you're not boldly stating where you're going and why.
Speaker C:And if that doesn't align with your customers values, you'll know pretty quick and your company will find itself facing a PR nightmare.
Speaker A:And I love what you said about being involved at the state level.
Speaker A:This year we were able to secure what I hope to be the first victory of many with the state of Tennessee adopting plca which is a protection for companies where they can't be sued if someone does something stupid with their product, which you know, we would never think of suing Ford because someone got into an auto accident.
Speaker A:You know, when we look at movements like this and Constitutional Carry now, well over 50% of the US how vital do you feel the state level politics is for, for companies?
Speaker C:I think that yeah, it's, it's Critical that we're, we're a United States, we're a republic of state of states and states rights.
Speaker C:So the 10th amendment is ebbs and flows on its power.
Speaker C:Based over a couple of decades, it'll, it'll have more strength than it does right now.
Speaker C:So the Tennessee language, the Georgia language, I would encourage every state representative and every state association to start to look at that and provide a PLA protection in your state.
Speaker C:And so that starts to build jurisdictional growth.
Speaker C:Concealed carry did not exist in the 80s.
Speaker C:And then Marion Hammer down in Florida started this little cause down there that has now grown to be not just concealed carry on almost every state, but also this constitutionary concept that we're now enjoying as a, as a country.
Speaker C:So these things start small.
Speaker C:When we see a movement that is making it difficult to be a firearm ownership, we'll find some states or some jurisdictions where we can start to get a foothold on a defense of our individual rights to own a firearm.
Speaker C:If companies implaca.
Speaker C:So if companies get sued for stupid mistakes by or illegal problems that an individual uses and we're held responsible for that, that starts to put that not just the lawsuits, but the added cost for every gun manufacturer gets passed on to the gun owners who increase reassurance, debanking, there's other regulatory, credit card processing.
Speaker C:All that stuff starts to add risk to the general systems and procedures you need to run a business protecting just natural protection that every other product has for illegal use or misuse.
Speaker C:Every other company else has that just in general law.
Speaker C:And all PLCA does is make sure that it's well understood inside the firearms industry.
Speaker C:And that's a very important part to have.
Speaker C:So I would encourage every state to step up in there.
Speaker C:There's a second group out there that I think we, we kind of take it, we don't take advantage of.
Speaker C:And that's the attorneys general they are using, they're setting, setting policy for the state and they're saying this is illegal in our state.
Speaker C:And we can push back on other states that are restricting trade or causing areas of constraining trade or ownership of farms for their, their citizens in their state.
Speaker C:So the Republican Party has rago, which is the Republican Attorney General's association, that's another great one to kind of tap into their knowledge base and see what makes sense in your state and how can they guide you as a company or an individual.
Speaker C:Your Attorney General is either going to be your worst nightmare if you're in New York or your best friend if you're in a like Iowa Republican state.
Speaker B:So recently we've seen and as the filming of this, this is where we're currently at, we saw the HPA get passed into through Congress.
Speaker B:It's going to the Senate.
Speaker B:What is your feeling about the hpa?
Speaker B:I know that you guys signed on to the letter to support it, but what is your feeling about the HPA and do you think that we will be able to push that to get protection for pistol braces through the short act as well?
Speaker C:So HPA and short act.
Speaker C:So the.
Speaker C:In the pistol braces.
Speaker C:Pistol braces right now.
Speaker C:Are you.
Speaker C:They're back in.
Speaker C:They're back in to a large degree.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And then the short act is to get the short action barrel or short action rifles removed from the NFA list.
Speaker C:So suppressor short barrel actions or short barreled rifles.
Speaker C:Those two initiatives.
Speaker C:I think HPA is doing a good job.
Speaker C:It's in the House bill right now.
Speaker C:It's been sent over to the Senate for review next week.
Speaker C:And there's, I think there's some good language in that HPA that says remove silence suppressors.
Speaker C:Silencers is a legal term.
Speaker C:It's in the h. In the hpa.
Speaker C:Remove suppressors from nfa.
Speaker C:If you don't, it's still going to reduce the tax is zero.
Speaker C:I'd prefer it's off.
Speaker C:So remove that onerous problem of going through the background check which is just like the background check for a firearm.
Speaker C:I think that's good movement.
Speaker C:There's some good insights.
Speaker C:The make that germane or stay in that.
Speaker C:The reconciliation bill.
Speaker C:So that's, that's a good movement getting the short act into a.
Speaker C:The reconciliation.
Speaker C:That feels like a tougher lift for a lot of Republicans out there.
Speaker C:And you need, if it's in the reconciliation, you need a lot of Republicans to line up and I don't think they have the backbone for that, which is unfortunate.
Speaker C:But they do have the support for the removing suppressors.
Speaker C:Suppressors are a hearing protection as well as.
Speaker C:I mean they're universally accepted as the right thing to do around the world.
Speaker C:If you're out there hunting and shooting.
Speaker C:The respectful thing is to protect and lower the decibels of every shooting range.
Speaker C:That one has a lot of lift and they can go and talk to all their constituents, they being Republicans and go talk to their constituents back home and say yep, I supported that.
Speaker C:Everybody recoils when it comes to.
Speaker C:Not everybody.
Speaker C:A lot of people recoil on the Republican side, the Senate and the House when it comes to removing short barreled rifles from the nfa.
Speaker C:We'll get there someday.
Speaker C:That's how I look at it.
Speaker C:You got to continue to plant that flag, build a beachhead of support and there'll be a time, it's a good time still to push it with this House and Senate.
Speaker C:I'm just not sure it's gonna make reconciliation right now.
Speaker B:Now, under the assumption because we, again, like you said, it's gotta go to the Senate, we're pre filming this under the assumption that the HPA does pass and suppressors are removed from the nfa.
Speaker B:What do you feel like that is going to do for the firearms industry?
Speaker C:Well, there's a clause on there.
Speaker C:When does it, when is it enacted?
Speaker C:It's currently got a 90 day period before it becomes into effect.
Speaker C:So if this is passed, let's just say it's June 1st for math, June 1st.
Speaker C:We're really looking at September.
Speaker C:So it'll be a 90 day period where the before enactment, unless that's changed.
Speaker C:But we stick with the, the way it's written.
Speaker C:I believe that during the summertime there's going to be a real slowdown in suppressors sales.
Speaker C:So people are going to save their 200 bucks just by waiting 90 days.
Speaker C:In that period though, regardless of when it's enacted, there's going to be a lot of get your, get your pistol and get your rifle suppressor ready.
Speaker C:That's going to be a whole bunch of gunsmithing work and personalization work on threading barrels, getting longer barrels for your pistol so you can thread them or buy a threaded barrel.
Speaker C:By the way we have those.
Speaker C:So there's, there'll be a period of getting that stuff ready.
Speaker C:There's also a movement to modify that 90 day waiting period down or 90 day enactment period down to 0 days.
Speaker C:So immediate we'll see how the Senate responds that if that's changed then it has to go back to the House to be confirmed and checked off and sent back.
Speaker C:So if it's as is, I think there's going to be a pause in, in procurement of suppressors.
Speaker C:But when the floodgates are open, I think everybody, I think we're going to see two things.
Speaker C:There's going to be a scarcity of suppressors out there.
Speaker C:I would, there's a lot of people getting ready to produce them.
Speaker C:They're just not producing them.
Speaker C:But when that happens there's going to be, if that happens there'll be a, a rush to mass produce those which would be a big spike and there'll be a tail where it just becomes Normal.
Speaker C:And that's when we're going to see some prices come down on suppressors.
Speaker C:They can probably be somewhere in the 100 to 200 range once we get there because there'll be a lot of mass production, a lot of, a lot of use.
Speaker C:Right now there's 554 million guns out there in the United States.
Speaker C:There's a lot of room for suppressors and there should be.
Speaker C:That's, it's a great safety device.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:My thought process and just talking with my industry friends, we're going to see a huge spike like you said and then we're going to see what I like to call the race to the bottom is the lowest cost suppressor out there.
Speaker B:And then as time goes on, we'll see suppressors kind of like treated like firearms where we may see start seeing used suppressors on the market and people trading in for something maybe better.
Speaker B:So I'm super excited to see what this does to the industry, how it'll expand the industry seeing.
Speaker B:I, I think this is the, the perfect time for when we are in kind of that post Covid lull.
Speaker B:It's a perfect time for them to, to see the spike again and we're and, and get those, that money back into the industry again.
Speaker C:So every time we are in a trough after a big spike, it's innovation that changes the market condition.
Speaker C:This is, this is not necessarily innovation but the, it is a new product that is easier to purchase.
Speaker C:It is in huge demand.
Speaker C:Huge demand.
Speaker C:Everybody that's my age is hard of hearing.
Speaker C:They've done a lot of shooting.
Speaker C:I wish I would have had suppressors when I was 20s, teens, 20s, 30s.
Speaker C:I would have better hearing today and my tinnitus would not be driving me as crazy as it does.
Speaker C:So I think this is a great, great movement, not just for the market, but for every gun user out there who's going to protect their hearing from here on out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And what I want to remind our membership and gun owners in general is this has been a fight that we have been involved in for a very long time.
Speaker A:But this is a springboard to the next thing.
Speaker A:And we don't ever want to get into a position where we have a big victory and then we scatter.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We need to be laser focused and ready and willing and able to take on the next fight because that's where we're seeing the restoration side to the second Amendment.
Speaker A:And it is one of the core missions at goa which is to protect, defend and restore.
Speaker A:And so often we have been conditioned to be in the protect and defend mode and, and we've been winning on constitutional carry.
Speaker A:It looks like we're going to be winning on suppressors.
Speaker A:Hopefully we'll even be able to win on the short act.
Speaker A:But the more that we're able to put gas, you know, in the tank, the more that we're able to put the pedal to the metal, we're really going to see benefits that secure our liberty for generations to come.
Speaker C:I think you make a good point there on the restoration.
Speaker C:It's going on the offense.
Speaker C:It's been a lot of years of this defending and trying to make sure they don't cross these lines and to a large degree that's been very successful across the country.
Speaker C:There's been some areas that are more restrictive and that's where I think the whole network of associations lean in and go on the offense.
Speaker C:Now there's like California, the NRA spends a lot of money on in California.
Speaker C:It's just not, it's on the legal side.
Speaker C:It's not necessarily on the, on the lobbying side and headline side.
Speaker C:So there's a couple different ways to, to go on the offense.
Speaker C:And you guys, man, you guys really, over the last couple of years have really done a great job going on the offense with the, with the lawsuits, the legal challenges, getting people to understand that, that we have more than just these pass a law route and we can go now, we can go into the courts and that still costs money to do that, but it's for a really, really good cause.
Speaker C:So I think that's a, that's a great tool to continue to build out as a, as an industry.
Speaker C:So thank you for GA for doing that.
Speaker C:You've done a, done a fantastic job there and that's a good offensive move.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sam Paretes runs Gun Owners of California.
Speaker B:We're fighting, fighting.
Speaker B:I want to bring this up because this is kind of breaking, I guess is, is the state of California trying to ban Glocks?
Speaker B:What do you think about that?
Speaker C:So that's that Glock switch where there was a design.
Speaker C:It's a unique.
Speaker C:I think that's a, it's a bogus way to just attack a very popular firearm for self protection to find any crack in or any path toward toward a ban of a pistol.
Speaker C:A way for someone to defend themselves.
Speaker C:So I think it's, it's a bogus argument.
Speaker C:It's kind of a red herring to slow things down and cost Glock money and then, and then put gun owners.
Speaker C:That's a very popular Firearm in California anywhere really.
Speaker C:So it's just a.
Speaker C:Give them less options to choose from, probably more expensive option which then takes that right to protect yourself or ability to protect yourself out of a certain demographic of gun owner out there.
Speaker C:So it's, it's, it's.
Speaker C:To me it's a hate to even curse.
Speaker C:It's a terrible way to approach the, the reasonable.
Speaker C:And there's no reasonable response.
Speaker C:There is no reasonable legislation around restricting a firearm.
Speaker C:I don't believe so.
Speaker C:There's, I think that's, that suing Glock, it's just for the Glock switch based on a very solid design from Glock on their firearm is, is a bogus, is a bogus lawsuit.
Speaker C:And I hope they really defend themselves and win in a quick action.
Speaker C:They're a good company.
Speaker A:Yes, I, I agree.
Speaker A:And it's, it's so true what the left has, what the anti gunners in general have done where they do have these red herring scare tactics that have significant implications whether it's a Glock switch or very recently what state was it, was it New Mexico that tried to sue Smith and Wesson over cartels?
Speaker A:There's so many different things that these anti gunners are adamant in trying to try to stifle innovation, to try to criminalize companies for providing us with firearms that we use to defend ourselves.
Speaker A:And, and they understand that the, the more that they're able to attack and the more that they are able to villainize the firearms industry to their base, the more likely that their base will never come on our side.
Speaker A:And we spend a lot of time at GOA talking about how do we build an on ramp for people to understand the importance of the second Amendment, how do we welcome them into the community, how do we grow, grow from, you know, being anti gun to gun aware to pro gun to a gun advocate.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like what is that progression and how does it look like?
Speaker A:And so when we see these, you know, kind of red herring type situations, it's like, come on.
Speaker A:Like you, you are trying to splinter off the fight in so many different ways because they, they understand that for a lot of gun owners, we're not a monolith.
Speaker A:And we are constantly having to educate our people and make them aware of just how much of a distraction they can create because it's at the local level, the state level, the federal level.
Speaker A:And they're constantly trying anything that they can to hurt to, to splinter off and to harm the second amendment rights because you know, they believe that they gifted them to us versus they're inalienable right.
Speaker C:That's an interesting concept of I don't understand the government or gifting you rights versus this is what we all earned is I don't understand that approach to a constitutional rights.
Speaker C:There are a couple of segments out there that are really been under educated and their experience with firearms has historically not been.
Speaker C:It's been modified to be a danger product versus a protection product.
Speaker C:It's making incredible positive inroads into the African American community, the Hispanic community, many of the Asian communities are.
Speaker C:They've been traditionally living in urban areas that that experience just hasn't been the right experience like we have with firearms.
Speaker C:A good positive approach.
Speaker C:So there has to be a lot of good education out there about just what, what are your rights.
Speaker C:You're not going to get in trouble by having a firearm.
Speaker C:If we do our job legislatively and legal wise, just making sure that individuals can't be levied a felony because they've exert their caring or they're on public transportation or they're crossing a city line and all those mismatching rules of geographic rules and use rules, those things confound people.
Speaker C:They just kind of give up and say I'm just going to hope that nothing happens today.
Speaker C:Those types of arbitrary lines and arbitrary gun free zones, the those things are.
Speaker C:People believe that they'll get in trouble by going into those areas or traveling in those ways.
Speaker C:And the more we educate people on these are your rights and no one can infringe upon them.
Speaker C:Not a state, not a government, not, not the police who have been mandated to in some areas to enforce some of these unlawful rules and regulations.
Speaker C:More education people have to know what their rights are the better.
Speaker C:And in any of these aren't inalienable rights, any of our constitutional rights.
Speaker C:So those are good education.
Speaker C:So just little pieces for this region or that region because it's a, it's a mosaic of laws out there again and nobody wants to break a law who wants to be a gun, an honest gun owner.
Speaker C:So we just want to follow the rules.
Speaker C:But sometimes these rules are put in place or just roadblocks or speed bumps.
Speaker C:It sure sounds like it's legal, but they're not gun free zones.
Speaker C:Being an example on that traveling and public transportation, all those, all those things we need to be fighting against and educating against and, and being able to have an affordable product or affordable way to protect yourself no matter where your geography is.
Speaker B:Well, we are getting around the time to wrap up.
Speaker B:So before we go, I've got one last question for you.
Speaker B:You Guys again are the title sponsor for goals this year.
Speaker B:You came back kind of tell us why, what your thoughts are and what are you excited about it.
Speaker C:GOA has been, been a, been a fantastic partner on bringing the fight on the, on the doing a positive.
Speaker C:You are saying one of your pillars is to really go on the offense and you found a couple really good ways that or at least bring those into the spotlight and that's what we best we're supporting line up behind organizations are going to go out there and put our membership money to work in a very efficient and positive way.
Speaker C:GOA has done a fantastic job with that really taking the fight to where it needs to be fought.
Speaker C:You're very, I say you're very efficient being in big organizations.
Speaker C:You're very efficient based on what you're doing and what your expected outcomes are that you're delivering on as well.
Speaker C:So it's, it's a dollar spent in membership is a dollar well spent in an outcome that affects everybody in a positive way for their personal ownership of firearms and second amendment across America.
Speaker C:So that's why we're back.
Speaker C:You've done a really, really good job and encourage everybody who's listening or thinking about supporting GOA to lean in and do it.
Speaker C:Now it's time to go on the offense.
Speaker A:Well, thank you for that.
Speaker A:We are so excited to have you back and you're going to be on the firearms and Innovation panel and you know bringing a lot of this conversation that we've had today directly to our members.
Speaker A:So we really appreciate you you doing that again as well.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:Looking forward to being there goals and seeing everybody.
Speaker B:Before we go Pete, is there anything else you want to tell the folks?
Speaker B:Everyone knows where to find brown houses online but anything else you want to leave the folks with before we wrap up,.
Speaker C:Get involved locally in your 2A community.
Speaker C:Every, every voice that's heard at your state house, at your city council has a significant impact.
Speaker C:So let it be heard.
Speaker C:Let your senators and house representatives know that are representing you for our republic is they have a responsibility to represent you as one of their constituents.
Speaker C:Let that be heard.
Speaker C:And when you are thinking about building, accessorizing, maintaining, think of Brownells and go tell your story on ar15.com, another organization that we highly support.
Speaker B:And one last thing before we go.
Speaker B:Is there anything new coming from Brownells that you can divulge to the people?
Speaker C:There might be some BRN stuff coming out.
Speaker C:We've got some development products are coming that are going to really help help people get their get their projects off the ground and, and all the way to getting out to the range and shooting.
Speaker C:So there's some good BRN stuff coming up.
Speaker C:We are.
Speaker C:We got another two or so shows or video productions that we're going to be putting together, so.
Speaker C:And we'll be featuring customers and it's good, good industry indeciders to kind of give you the, kind of.
Speaker C:The insight what's really happening and, and how do you do certain things and just give you more education and be part of the community.
Speaker C:So look forward to those types of, those type of content coming out.
Speaker B:Yeah, I vote that we put Cody on, on camera at some point.
Speaker B:I know he's sitting around there somewhere, so let's get, get Cody up on camera.
Speaker C:Yep, yep.
Speaker C:Yeah, we got a really good, talented pool that always comes up on camera.
Speaker C:So we try to, we try to give everybody here a voice.
Speaker A:That is awesome.
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