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::welcome to films of black
::and white everybody bonus
::edition bonus bonus that's
::crazy intro we're gonna get
::some fish oh yeah we are
::we're the mouse is not
::having that that mcu intro
::I forgot I forgot there's
::footage of me just straight
::up dancing which made me
::laugh so I i appreciate
::that thank you for that
::serotonin yeah of course it's great
::Welcome to the bonus episode, everybody.
::We are here to talk the
::movies that made us.
::So the last time we did this
::particular episode,
::we went and saw Don't Be a
::Menace While Drinking Your
::Juice in the Hood,
::Marcus' recommendation.
::Don't Be a Menace in South Central?
::Well, this will be interesting.
::I forgot the South Central.
::No, South Central is here.
::um but this week we are
::watched resident evil which
::is a brian that is this is
::a brian movie everybody um
::I have a very funny story
::about that before we dive
::into the movie let's just
::do a quick run around the
::whole wheel here marcus j
::destin aka hallway lasers
::how you feeling sir
::Feeling good.
::Happy to dissect this movie
::for my buddy Brian.
::Just here for a good time,
::you know what I mean?
::But we're here, live in the living color.
::Yeah, we are.
::Absolutely.
::Brian Rausch, a.k.a.
::Umbrella Human Resources.
::How are you feeling, sir?
::I'm feeling so good.
::I'm so excited to talk about this movie.
::After I rewatched this movie
::for probably like the umpteenth time,
::I like looked at Maggie and I was like,
::I got to watch another one.
::And I did.
::So I'm just feeling so much
::joy that we're going to
::talk about this movie.
::Absolutely.
::And what about yourself, Doug?
::How are you?
::You know, guys, I'm just... Zombie dog.
::I'm so happy to just be here
::with my guys talking about movies.
::It's just an honor and a
::blessing to be in this
::space just doing things that we enjoy.
::And so it's a real...
::Boy, howdy.
::Boy, howdy.
::Is it a treat?
::Doesn't sound genuine at all.
::No, I'm very excited to see this.
::I had thoughts about this.
::Yes.
::Why do I feel like Marcus is
::reaching for something that
::he's going to show me later?
::I don't know, man.
::I don't know.
::Anyway.
::He could be eating.
::I don't know.
::It could.
::He's a wild card.
::But I was very excited to see this.
::This is a movie I have not seen ever.
::So this is my first watch.
::I've also not played the
::video games at all.
::So I had zero.
::Is that a reverse card?
::Is that a reverse?
::It's a reverse card.
::This is describing Doug's
::bullshit antics that he's
::on his entire day.
::I've been in here for half
::of a pod and this whole pod,
::this ain't even doing shit
::but trying to hit a Uno
::reverse and it's not going to work.
::God damn it.
::I'm going to persevere.
::I'm going to persevere through it.
::That's what I'm going to do.
::Brian, before we dive into this movie.
::How is this movie like a
::part of your foundation?
::How did it become a part of
::your foundation?
::And then we'll do like our
::barbershop summary.
::But tell us about it.
::Yeah.
::So this so when a lot of
::people like talk to me,
::they obviously know I like
::Star Wars and we can do an
::episode about that at some point.
::But I really like dug deep and it's like,
::what what are one of these
::movies that is just that sticks with you?
::And Resident Evil sticks
::with me because it came out
::when I was just like
::becoming like a young adult.
::So it's one of those was one
::of my first rated R movies
::I could see in the theater.
::So it sticks in my mind that way.
::Funny, though, I still had to get a
::parent to buy our tickets
::because we were 16 and you
::needed to be 17 and so I
::was like hey can you buy
::this Resident Evil tickets
::and then we went to the
::theater and saw it without
::that parent I did the same
::thing oh yeah and this it
::stuck with me because it
::was so different and one of
::the and like I'll get into
::more of that but like
::It just it was a horror movie,
::but it was an action movie
::and there was like a mystery element.
::And I just at that point,
::I hadn't seen anything like this.
::Like I hadn't seen someone
::genre mash all those things
::together until this moment.
::And it was also based on a
::video game that I enjoyed.
::And I like I'm a huge gamer,
::was a huge gamer.
::And Resident Evil was always
::kind of one of these like, I don't know,
::it was kind of always one
::of these like white whales for me.
::I never finished the games
::because I had to rent them.
::And you can't finish
::Resident Evil game in a weekend.
::And so it was nice to have
::like a full experience.
::And that's the other thing I
::remember is like,
::I got a whole experience.
::I didn't have to play a game.
::This is great.
::We also did it for a
::friend's birthday party.
::I doubt any of them are listening,
::but Peter Wurtz, Sean Tudor, Matt Davis,
::if you're listening, I love y'all.
::I remember this movie.
::I remember the four of us
::going and I loved it.
::And it was for my friend
::Peter Wurtz's birthday.
::So like, it's just,
::it really sticks in my brain.
::There's just a lot of good
::memories associated.
::about that dude that's
::awesome that's a great
::story and I appreciate you
::sharing you're right that's
::it's some of those movies
::we see when we are very
::beautiful like real full
::adults it it they have they
::just stick with us a little
::bit longer so I appreciate that so yeah
::But gentlemen,
::this took me down a rabbit
::hole that I did not expect.
::I love this.
::You and I talked a little
::bit about it in the chat.
::But after watching this,
::there were things that I
::had to uncover and dig into.
::Yes.
::And so I have a whole
::Fangoria article called 20 Years Later,
::a look back at the history
::of the first Resident Evil film.
::Jesus Christ.
::I was down there today.
::So I'm excited to get into this.
::I love that.
::But in order to get into it,
::somebody's got to give us a
::barbershop summary of Resident Evil.
::So who's it going to be?
::brian do you want it because
::it's your movie you want to
::do it do you want me to do
::it I'll do the honors I'll
::do the honors here uh so
::what had happened was you
::you start this movie and
::it's you got this this guy
::and he's like he's taking
::vials and then one of the
::vials breaks and you're
::like that seems bad but
::then the movie moves on
::it's like people in an
::office complex and then all
::these people in the office
::complex are suddenly
::trapped in there and you
::no idea what's going on and
::it's super scary and people
::are dying you don't
::understand what's happening
::but there's cameras
::watching it and it's super
::creepy and anyway some lady
::tries to get out of an
::elevator and she only has
::her head out and you can
::figure out how how that
::ends I mean also spoilers
::we're gonna spoil this
::movie it's been 20 years
::like get get with it um
::And then we cut to Mila
::Jovich hanging out in a shower.
::And then a series of minutes,
::I'm going to just say a
::series of events later as
::she's exploring this really cold, open,
::dark mansion she's in.
::SEAL Team 6 busts in and
::takes her to a really weird train station
::And then they tell her that, hey, actually,
::you're an agent.
::You don't remember this,
::but you're an agent of Umbrella.
::And stuff has gone wrong at
::this underground research
::facility called The Hive.
::And instead of just leaving it sealed,
::we're going to go in there.
::And there might be some
::terrible things in there.
::And that's your setup for the movie.
::To the synopsis.
::That's pretty much it.
::That's pretty much it.
::Ah, shucks.
::Let's run down cast and box office.
::Let's do it.
::Joe, which plays Alice.
::Michelle Rodriguez plays Rain.
::Ryan McCluskey plays Mr. Gray.
::Oscar Pierce plays Mr. Red.
::Indra Ove plays Mrs. Black.
::Anna Bolt plays Dr. Green.
::And then the only other one
::is Eric Mavis plays Matt.
::Colin Salmon plays one.
::That's pretty much it.
::What?
::That's kind of running it
::down in terms of folks.
::These are the actual names?
::These are the actual names of the actors.
::Mr. Black, Mr. Green, one.
::Oh, no, those are the... Mr. Red,
::Mr. Green.
::Those are the character names?
::Those are character names, yeah.
::Did not catch that at all.
::Got it.
::They really simplified that.
::I mean, I like that.
::Makes sense, but yeah.
::Yeah, no, I mean, it's easy to remember...
::and it doesn't matter
::because I don't even
::remember them saying colin
::colin salmon's name they
::referred to him maybe once
::but you're like is that his
::name and so yeah they don't
::matter it feels like they
::were like oh fuck we gotta
::put it guys we gotta make
::the imdb for this what do
::we want to call him mr
::black just yep that's just
::yeah that's exactly that's
::it so that's it um
::But budget for this movie,
::$33 million in 2001, 2002 dollars.
::That's when this came out.
::Box office globally was $40
::million estimated.
::Wow.
::And again, in 2002 dollars.
::So would have done well considered.
::maybe not like a smash hit
::but good enough that they
::also now have done like 4
::000 sequels of these um and
::so willingly both yeah
::exactly yeah yes um but
::gentlemen thoughts on
::resident evil go ahead no
::no go ahead I was gonna say
::doug you've never seen this
::before so I want to know
::where you're where your
::head is that tell us dude yeah
::I, this movie is a fun ride.
::Like, and it's, I think it's, this is,
::this movie is like all gas, no brakes.
::Like it is, it is like,
::there is never a dull moment.
::There is never a quiet
::moment where nothing is happening.
::It is all like, Hey,
::we're going over here.
::Oh no zombies.
::Okay, good.
::Now we're here.
::Oh shit.
::More zombies.
::Like that's just kind of the
::pacing for this movie.
::And you can kind of tell by the tight,
::like hour and 37 minute
::runtime that they were just like, no,
::don't have them walk around a lot.
::don't have them like
::wondering where things are
::um and so it's a lot of fun
::in that respect and it
::keeps it really interesting
::there were questions that I
::had and brian can attest to
::one of my questions where
::that I was like but wait
::why and it feels like for
::the majority of this movie
::they were like no this is
::the wrong question sit down
::like that it feels like
::like the director and
::everyone was like no no no
::no like sit down it doesn't
::matter like yeah because
::right away I'm like
::Why were they making a
::zombie virus in an underground bunker?
::And they were like, man,
::it does not matter.
::Just don't worry about it.
::You don't need to know about it.
::All you need to know is it's bad.
::Bad things are happening.
::Why do you have these giant
::meaty monsters in lockers down here?
::Don't worry about it.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::Like I get that umbrella makes everything,
::but like everything,
::everything like it's so.
::So, yeah, I had a lot of
::I had a lot of those style questions.
::Sure, sure.
::But again,
::they're not relevant and they're
::not needed.
::And it is kind of nice to
::have a movie where you
::don't have to invest that
::mental energy in trying to figure it out.
::And so, yeah, it's a fun ride.
::I mean, that was my first impression.
::Hell yeah.
::I mean, you just... Yeah!
::hell yeah I mean it does
::just throw you into it I
::mean even the ending is a
::little ambiguous because
::it's like white coats come
::in bright room take you
::away and that's kind of
::like and then she wakes up
::and everybody's kind of
::gone maybe like everybody's
::gone and probably yeah you
::know what I mean picks a
::lock with a needle like and
::it's and it's like she's
::out in the world like ta-da
::I didn't know how that worked.
::By the way.
::No,
::I talked to Maggie about this poor
::Maggie.
::I was probably talking
::through half this movie
::because like I'm just
::telling her stuff because
::like this was the first
::movie that I like watched
::all the DVD extras on like
::every single one of the music videos.
::And like so I was just
::telling her the whole time
::like this part you can see
::the camera tracking on here
::and you can hide it easily
::because it's in a sewer and
::she's like that's nice.
::But no,
::the finale scene where she gets out
::of the operating room,
::it's implied she gets out
::by jamming an IV in a key card reader,
::which is like...
::no sense at all she did was
::that's not how any of this
::works well you know what
::mila jovich sold the shit
::out of it because they
::didn't look so focused they
::didn't just put it in there
::and it popped open they had
::her like take a little
::angle and then slide it up
::and down and then it went
::and then it like opened the
::door okay dirty bloody
::needle with her half shaved
::head and she and it's just
::like it's just her against
::the prop like literally like
::So thank you, Mila Jovic,
::for your service.
::And also, shout out to Mila Jovic,
::because she...
::regularly is the like we
::need an actress it's not
::like a super serious role
::they do have to be like
::kind of naked like wait
::hold on like no we're just
::gonna like drape shit over
::her yeah make people think
::that there's nothing going
::on what's the name of the
::movie the fifth element and
::then we're gonna need her
::to do it again in resident
::evil wait a minute was she
::in the fifth element
::Yes!
::She played the element.
::She's great.
::She is the fifth element.
::She is the fifth element.
::Yeah, multi-pass.
::That is Mila Jovovich.
::Okay,
::so can I just take this moment to say
::this?
::You may.
::Now that I remember that,
::Mila is phenomenal.
::Yes.
::Because there is something that,
::not to step on Doug's joke,
::because you're right.
::No, no, no, no.
::You step away.
::Go ahead.
::Step all over it.
::Okay,
::I'm going to shut the fuck up now and
::y'all keep talking.
::How about that?
::You want to hear the Uno reverse?
::I'll hear the Uno reverse too.
::The audience has no idea
::about... You know what?
::That's your choice and I respect it.
::Brian, what else you got?
::Oh,
::I'm happy to pull us up out of this
::nosedive.
::Yeah,
::so one of the reasons I love this
::movie is that it does not
::waste a lot of time.
::And the beginning of the movie,
::I feel like it gives you
::just enough mystery,
::but it doesn't linger there.
::Because I feel like nowadays,
::and you're going to hear me
::saying this a lot in
::reference to this movie,
::but I feel like if they
::wanted to franchise it, you would like...
::you would find like all
::these side characters and
::you'd find out like, and they'd be just,
::they'd be very shallow,
::but you'd know just enough to be like, oh,
::that's blue shirt.
::And they walked down the
::hall together or whatever.
::This movie, it's like,
::we're going to show you 10 characters.
::All of them are dead.
::You don't even need to worry about it.
::You jettison all that information.
::Here's Alice 10 minutes in
::and now you're going to Wonderland.
::I appreciate that about the
::movie because I feel like
::it kind of does pull a
::fastball where you think
::the lady in the elevator
::might be a significant
::protagonist and nope, she's dead.
::Immediately.
::Not even a chance.
::You said Wonderland.
::Is that a reference to
::Is there a connection to
::Alice in Wonderland and why
::they take that route, right?
::That's pretty spot on.
::That's my assumption.
::I mean, to me,
::with her being named Alice
::and then it's just kind of like...
::She goes down a tunnel.
::Yeah.
::But that's not the only reference.
::No, no.
::They call the computer the Red Queen.
::Yep.
::Yes.
::I just wanted to make sure I
::wasn't tripping.
::No, you're not.
::I assume it's very
::intentional from Paul W. I
::have to re-watch this
::fucking movie again?
::Isn't it great, Doug?
::Isn't that great?
::Like it kind of feels like
::it kind of feels like a
::little like I expect like I
::kind of expect like the guy
::from Knives Out to kind of
::show up and be like,
::it's genius and be like, no,
::it's not like it is.
::No, it is.
::You got to think about it, though,
::for the time.
::that was probably premiere
::sneaky like Brian said and
::I think it's a great
::description it's horror
::it's mystery half the movie
::is spent with these two
::pretty white motherfuckers
::trying to remember who the
::fuck they are and having
::sex flashbacks that's not
::the only flashback but
::they're having these
::flashbacks and she's like I
::made good love to that man
::obviously I'm in love with
::him and he's like
::nope I flashback at the very
::end of I'm actually the bad
::guy and like that was and
::like that's it but yep yeah
::there's several references
::made I think that this was
::really smart for that time
::period yeah I mean go ahead
::I was gonna say they make a
::white rabbit reference in
::the matrix too so I do feel
::like it's a common right
::it's a common denominator I
::very much enjoy it in this context though
::I feel like they did that a
::lot with movies that had to
::deal with any type of
::internet or technology
::or... Getting out of the system.
::Fish out of water kind of
::moments where it was like,
::this person's going down the rabbit hole.
::They wanted to do that a lot.
::All the time.
::It's not what he's saying, Brian.
::I'm just going to talk to Brian.
::It's not what he's saying.
::Surprise.
::Let's talk only to Brian.
::It's how he's saying things
::that makes it 10 times funnier.
::Because it's not what he's
::saying is correct.
::It's been how he's saying it
::that's throwing me for a fucking loop.
::I mean, I'm tone neutral here.
::I'm enjoying it both ways here.
::Can I interrupt your
::discussion so we can keep
::talking about Resident Evil?
::It's your podcast, dude.
::Don't let me stop you.
::This is your show.
::Welcome to the bonus episode
::where we're airing it all out.
::He's lucky I showed up 30
::minutes late to the first one.
::I didn't give him hell like I wanted to.
::And now we come to the
::airing of grievances.
::Yeah, I think they did this a lot.
::I think, Brian, to your point of like,
::they could have easily done...
::a movie where it's like oh
::who's key carded this oh
::it's rick's key card like
::rick had a day off like and
::that leads them on like a
::whole side quest of all the
::other things oh my gosh it
::makes me wonder because one
::of the things that I
::discovered you and I talked
::about this in the chat a
::little bit that the first
::part one of they one of the
::folks who wrote this
::It was George A. Romero.
::George A. Romero did Dawn of the Dead.
::He was brought into the
::Resident Evil world because in 1998,
::this movie came out in 2002, 1998,
::he directed a Japanese ad
::for the game Resident Evil 2.
::And...
::As the story goes, the creator,
::Shinji Makami,
::loved the work so much that they said,
::hey, why don't you just write the script?
::Apparently,
::he wrote such a detailed script
::where they had every character,
::every type of zombie,
::like all put into the movie.
::And eventually they were like,
::it's too much detail.
::It's going to get us an NC-17 rating.
::So you're out.
::So this script still exists.
::So anybody who goes to the
::University of Pittsburgh,
::they have all of George A.
::Romero's complete works at
::the University of Pittsburgh.
::So you can actually go and
::find a copy of it and read
::the script for this movie
::that was never produced.
::That's actually cool.
::I would do that in a heartbeat.
::I think I found a version of
::it online and it's very...
::It is very grown up.
::I don't know what the right word is.
::Adult, sure, but it's not aimed at kids.
::This is not a fun and games
::type of script.
::It is very much like a, no,
::these are adults.
::Yeah, pretty much.
::Pretty much.
::These are adults.
::And this first Resident Evil,
::it is very much aiming
::for... I was the target demographic.
::I was a teenage boy with
::money to spend and into action movies.
::like I 100 I was the target
::demographic for this um and
::I do I do think it's
::interesting how some of it
::re-watching it I was like
::oh this is like really
::gratuitous like as a kid I
::understand why I love this
::but like watching it now
::and knowing what I know now
::there's a scene um
::after they uh basically
::after they reboot the
::system and all the zombies
::come out and basically it's
::like paul ws anderson was
::like I want 20 minutes of
::guns shooting okay I want
::to put that in this movie
::and it's just they have
::guns and can they use them
::and they and they use them
::a lot and like basically
::it's just like five minutes
::straight of just people
::shooting machine guns and
::all I could think of was like
::man,
::I don't think operators would do that.
::Like, real-life operators would go, like,
::full automatic.
::Like, they would be semi-auto, like,
::just trying to, like, not hit everything.
::And then in the movie,
::it shows them hitting all of, like,
::the liquor tanks and stuff like that.
::And I'm like, oh, man,
::this totally went over my head as, like,
::a kid.
::Like, this is... I like the point of, like,
::you do get this gratuitous violence,
::but also they went full...
::and they let everybody out
::and that's bad and they're
::always pointing guns at
::each other that's the other
::thing that I and it's not
::until like the last like 20
::minutes where he's like I
::need to conserve ammo so
::I'm not actually gonna
::shoot you but right for the
::majority of the movie it's
::just them pointing guns at
::each other I mean a little
::oh go ahead margaret no no go ahead
::it's a little bit of video
::game logic of like you
::can't change the character
::model when they look at
::someone so like they're
::pointing the gun at someone
::when they're like when
::they're talking to them
::even though it only needs
::to be a discussion like
::they just they carry that
::over to the movie yeah yeah
::I mean, for the first,
::so I was texting the guys and I was like,
::for the first 10 minutes, I was missing,
::like,
::so this movie is not very dialogue heavy.
::No, it is not.
::You are not going to get, like,
::don't feel like you got to pay extra,
::extra attention to the dialogue.
::No.
::It's the most simple.
::Denis Villanueva would love
::this movie because it is
::the most simplified version
::of a dialogue.
::He really would.
::And so first 10 minutes of this 15,
::I was kind of like cleaning
::up and doing something else
::at the same time.
::But I could have sworn I was
::watching Doom for like the
::first 10 minutes because it
::has the same vibes.
::I'm waiting for The Rock to
::like walk the fuck out.
::And I'm like, oh, no,
::that's not that's the wrong movie.
::But what I do like about this, though, is.
::It's something about the
::practical effects and the practical set.
::It's not CGI.
::They go to open up doors and
::the doors are like, they shake a little,
::they're a little wonky when
::they go in and open this steel door,
::quote unquote, right?
::But I like that.
::I like the fact that they are in,
::you can tell that these
::motherfuckers are trudging through water.
::Yes.
::Whatever scene that is,
::they specifically set it up
::to shoot that scene.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::I mean, even the, the,
::the liquors are practical effects.
::They,
::for like the big movements and CG and
::it looks, it looks rough,
::but I'm also not critiquing it.
::Cause it was 2002.
::Like that's just fine.
::Yeah.
::That's yeah, it looks good for 2002.
::But like there's practical
::effects of the liquors and
::they look terrifying.
::Like you can tell there was
::love and care put into that.
::And also the dogs are it's a
::blend of CG and real makeup.
::And one of the problems they
::had with putting the makeup
::on the dogs was they kept eating it.
::So, like,
::they basically had to shoot that
::dog scene, like, super fast.
::And that's why it's such a
::small part of the movie,
::because they're like,
::we couldn't get more
::footage because the dogs
::just would keep eating them.
::And I just, I love that.
::It's actually really funny.
::I mean, the practical makeup too, right?
::Like you see the makeup
::effects are also really good in this.
::You actually see zombies and
::you can tell somebody sat in the seat,
::gave you the yellow eyes
::and they gave you like this
::messed up looking and they
::were actually pretty terrifying.
::Like I love that.
::Yes.
::Yeah.
::The rules were established very easily.
::If you get scratched by this shit,
::it's a wrap.
::One bite, one scratch, it's over.
::Little scary London girl,
::British girl with the
::accent is the computer.
::She telling y'all motherfuckers, hey y'all,
::I was tripping, my bad y'all,
::but I really had to shut
::this shit down because
::motherfuckers was getting
::loose and I'm a little
::scary little girl and these
::are the zombies and y'all
::got to shoot that
::motherfucker before I let y'all go.
::Easy rules.
::Yep.
::Yeah.
::I mean, yeah.
::And established tried and
::true zombie rules.
::You get that bit or scratch by, I mean,
::ostensibly before this
::short of George A. Romero's
::like land of the, like his movies,
::there wasn't a ton of zombie, like,
::you know, lower out there.
::So this kind of like kicked
::it off and established the, like, Nope,
::here's the rule.
::You get bit, you get scratched,
::you turn into one.
::Like that's, it is what it is.
::And so, I mean, kudos to them for, for,
::for blazing the trail.
::well and this is like this
::is like two three years out
::from Zack Snyder's Dawn of
::the Dead which I feel like
::helped kick off the next
::wave of like zombie stuff
::and so like Resident Evil
::kind of existed in its own
::like little weird space and
::I agree with you Doug like
::they were very they're very
::clear there was no
::ambiguity here and they
::even panned a Michelle Rodriguez's like
::bit in hand they're like
::that's probably not good
::right viewer anyway moving
::on like nobody addresses it
::in the moment but the
::camera does well and and
::they said that according to
::some of the sources that I
::read as I was like combing
::through this and going down
::the rabbit hole they said
::that one of the main
::reasons why we had more movies like
::dawn of the dead zack
::snyder's dawn of the dead
::and others was because of
::this and particularly
::george a romero had two
::movies that came out after
::this so while he didn't get
::this one fascinating he had
::more work because they had
::movies like this that came
::out because it was a very
::specific genre of movie
::called survival horror that
::they were trying to go for
::with it and this is the
::first one of its kind which is
::pretty incredible.
::Again,
::pretty interesting that they were
::able to do that overall.
::Brian, I got a question.
::What is it that about this
::movie defines who you are today?
::The things that... It's kind
::of funny now that I've had
::this retrospect when I rewatched it.
::It's like a two-parter.
::When I was growing up,
::what defined it for me was...
::it was one of my first rated R movies.
::So that, that is just, it is baked in.
::And I remember all those effects.
::Cause I was like,
::that dude's bleeding out of his mouth.
::What?
::Like, I just, that was all new.
::That was all new to me.
::But second of all, it was also like,
::it was the start of me understanding.
::I would be drawn to like
::female led projects.
::Cause like up until this point,
::I don't think I had seen an action movie.
::with a with a woman in the
::lead role like I'm trying
::really hard to think like
::pre-2002 but I i am drawn a
::blank and so this was the
::first time where I was like
::that mila jovich lady's
::like gonna kick that dog in
::the face like that's nuts
::uh she didn't it was a cg dog but like
::um it leads me to my next
::point though of like as I'm
::watching as I'm re-watching
::this movie I'm like huh
::they did some slow-mo and
::I'm really into that and
::then I think about all of
::the zack snyder discussions
::we've had and like how I'm
::seeing these things that I
::like of like I really like super stylized
::action I want to take it
::another level like I want
::to see that I want to see
::how it gets created and I
::want to have it be more
::creative and iterative and
::resident evil like kind of
::set off that spark in me of
::like yeah I like action
::movies but I want to take
::it like a step further like
::make it more stylized like
::make it more weird make it
::give me something else give
::me another layer to it and
::resident evil did that it
::was like yes it can be more than that um
::And then lastly, this is for me now,
::not for what it was back then,
::but looking back,
::Resident Evil also has all
::these themes of anti-corporate sentiment.
::That's what I picked up on immediately.
::Immediately, right?
::Unrestricted free commerce
::of this pharmaceutical
::who's just legit making
::monsters and everyone's fine with it.
::And those seeds got buried
::deep and sprouted.
::in my twenties and thirties,
::like a hundred percent.
::And I was watching it as a kid.
::And I looking back, it's like,
::I took that as like, Oh yeah,
::that absolutely makes sense.
::Didn't even cross my mind to
::question it because it was like,
::it made so much sense to me.
::And then looking back, I'm like,
::this absolutely informed
::parts of who I am.
::And like,
::And and stuff like that.
::And the entertainment that I
::like because I am I am
::always drawn to those projects of like,
::OK,
::like we have a we have a woman in this
::lead role for an action movie.
::Like, yes, like that's the stuff I like.
::And I knew that even at a younger age.
::Thank you, Brian.
::That's what I picked up on right away,
::Brian.
::When I was watching it,
::like the anti-corporate piece of this,
::I was like, this makes a ton of sense.
::Because when I was watching it,
::as those threads were there, I was like,
::this makes a ton of sense
::why this is Brian's jam now.
::Just because I know who you are.
::And I'm not saying like,
::I just think it all tracks
::and it all fits.
::So thanks for sharing.
::But that was, I also saw that too.
::Oh, no, I appreciate it.
::And they ham-fisted sometimes.
::It is kind of funny looking
::back because the blue shirt guy,
::I can't even remember his name.
::Oh, God.
::The corporation's going to pay.
::And I'm like, okay,
::that's ham-fisted even for me.
::But yeah, okay,
::I see where some of these
::seeds got planted.
::Ham-fisted.
::And there are other moments
::where they do that too, Brian,
::where they're like, well, you know,
::the corporation owns you
::and it owns everything.
::And you're like...
::okay we get it but like take
::it back just a smidge but
::Doug did you get it when it
::was on their wedding rings
::like just in case it wasn't
::entirely clear to you yeah
::it's just everywhere that's
::the one thing I don't know
::if they really discussed
::in full or maybe I missed it
::she gave the codes away to
::the lady who ended up you
::think she's gonna come back
::later and be like she's
::alive and this is gonna be
::important turns out that
::motherfucker dead too so
::like you know she gives
::Mila gives the codes cause
::she wants to be with her
::man she wants to take down
::Umbrella like she she
::basically grows a
::conscience doing this work
::and that's explored in the
::later movies too
::Which is like a whole other thing,
::by the way.
::But like, no,
::she comes to her senses and is like, no,
::Umbrella is bad.
::And it's just that simple.
::Got it.
::Pretty much.
::Yeah, it's not super complicated.
::Blue shirt guy, Brian,
::his Eric Mabus was the actor's name.
::Yeah.
::Do you want to hear something funny?
::David Borrance from the
::Boreanaz Boreanaz from Angel.
::Yeah,
::he was originally supposed to play
::blue shirt guy,
::but he was too busy with
::Angel to break away and
::actually shoot the movie.
::That's the blonde hair guy
::that was on Buffy?
::No, he was the dark hair guy on Buffy.
::So Spike was the blonde guy.
::He's like another vampire.
::But yeah, Bones.
::The guy with Bones.
::That TV show.
::That's amazing.
::I did not know that nugget.
::I would have loved David Boreanaz.
::Oh, I do know Bones.
::There you go.
::Yeah.
::And my other very favorite
::piece of fun fact trivia
::was the original title for this movie.
::The original title for this movie,
::before it got changed,
::was called Resident Evil Ground Zero.
::But it came out in 2002,
::so because of 9-11,
::they had to change it.
::Hey, you know what I say to that?
::Smart move.
::Hey, way to be ahead of that one!
::I mean...
::man I i mean well and I
::appreciate that this movie
::is like acts like a prequel
::essentially to everything
::resident it really does and
::I i don't know like it
::doesn't tell you it's a
::prequel and I feel I wish
::more movies did that
::Like, I don't need to know.
::I don't need to know everything like that.
::And I don't know.
::That's part of the mystery with it.
::It's not a super complicated mystery.
::But to me,
::it's satisfying because the
::amnesia aspect is kind of a
::cumbersome plot device.
::But I think it's really
::effective in getting the
::viewers like into it
::because you're on the same page as Alice.
::You know, Umbrella is here, but like.
::I got no clue who all these
::other people are.
::I have no idea what's going on down here.
::And it puts her and the
::viewer basically on like the same footing,
::which I think is a really
::effective tool for this movie.
::Well, do you think it worked?
::It worked.
::It worked.
::Right.
::Because I mean, like, I didn't know I,
::what were my questions?
::Why are they doing that?
::Why is like,
::why all I had all of these like,
::why based questions?
::Yeah.
::Which I'm sure if we are
::like trying to dive into
::the mind of the character,
::Alice has some of those
::very same questions.
::Yes.
::But they just never take the
::time to ask them because in
::that moment they're not relevant.
::And again, it just it worked.
::It just worked.
::Yeah.
::Sorry, Marcus.
::I cut you off.
::No, no, no, no.
::I think that was kind of the
::same thing that I was going
::to say was it did work.
::And it worked so well that
::it keeps you locked in,
::trying to figure out what
::the fuck is going on.
::And I think it definitely
::played to its strengths.
::And then there was another
::point I had about that
::oh,
::do you think that this movie follows
::that nobody's safe regimen?
::Because that was one of the
::things I did like.
::You have this big,
::tough Navy SEALs six guy, this black,
::bald-headed man that's
::coming in there barking orders around.
::His ass is one of the first
::ones to die within 30
::minutes of the movie.
::Give or take.
::In the hallway laser scene,
::which is always embedded in
::my damn skull.
::That was one of the scenes I
::watched and I was like, oh yeah,
::what if I am in a hallway?
::and the lasers are really
::smart and that motherfucker
::turned into a damn dice
::shredder like you know I
::mean like I'm fucked like
::that was it and the way to
::show him getting sliced
::through the reflection but
::not directly I was like
::that's how you safely use
::your cgi but not having to
::do a full body or anything
::like that but still make it
::impactful in the way that he died
::And that sequence is what
::stood out to me in that entire movie.
::The first time I watched it, it was like,
::oh yeah, I like knowing the ending,
::of course.
::But you think about that
::laser hallway scene and
::people immediately know
::what you're talking about.
::And I watched that so many times.
::I like, I just,
::the other part I like about
::that scene is you can now
::watching it being on the podcast.
::Now I'm like the certain
::things I look at in movies.
::You can tell they definitely
::sat around a room for like
::a day or two or maybe longer being like,
::okay, if this was real, what do you,
::what are you doing?
::You have these super commandos.
::How are they avoiding it?
::And I love the fact that in the sequence,
::they, they put a guy, uh,
::Who's just like, well,
::I'm going to jump over it.
::And then the laser follows him.
::And you're like, oh, no, like this word.
::It's over.
::Like, game over, man.
::Fire.
::I really I really enjoyed that.
::And you can just tell they
::thought about it.
::And I feel like it lends
::itself to that like video game sequence,
::too,
::because if the level is getting harder,
::the further I get close to
::where I need to be.
::Right.
::Yeah.
::The first two,
::I'm going to be able to dodge easy,
::but then I'm going to have
::to time my jumps better.
::Well,
::I think that they and I think that
::they they did it from your angle, Brian,
::where they were like,
::let's how do we make this
::as real as possible?
::But then what I like is that
::they stuck with it and they said, like,
::not only how do we make this possible?
::And by accident, they were like,
::it's also kind of video gamey,
::which I think is helpful.
::So yeah,
::which makes a big difference since
::this was only, what,
::four years after the
::original game was released?
::Yeah.
::I think you can get away
::with that scene back then.
::Now I think the viewer would overthink it.
::Technology is so advanced
::now that that almost seems
::like back then seeing that seems like,
::whoa,
::there's a hallway with lasers that
::adjust to whatever the fuck is going on.
::Kind of unfathomable.
::to an extent, right?
::Just like this dungeon and
::having these things that
::they're making and whatever
::the case may be seems like, oh,
::that's so far out there.
::Now it doesn't feel as far
::out there with technology
::and everything now that
::people don't have the imagination to
::kind of just see that and go
::oh my god this is a well
::thought out scene I like
::yeah well even the hologram
::even the red queen even the
::red queen hologram I mean
::holograms show up at
::concerts now like they're
::just everywhere and at the
::time it would have been
::like that's not real don't
::trust it it's gonna fool
::you and I'm sure we were
::all like oh my god look at
::that that's right yeah I
::will and that's the other
::thing that is kind of
::covert about this movie is that like
::Yeah, they don't mention smartphones,
::but to me,
::it's a more timeless movie than
::others of the era because, again,
::smartphones,
::but they're underneath the ground.
::They wouldn't have worked anyway.
::You don't even need to address it,
::but it's just like...
::yeah,
::like it's these people just trying to
::survive.
::And I feel like that's the
::other thing that always connects with me.
::I've always connected with
::survivor stories.
::That is just something that
::has always jumped out to me.
::And like,
::whether it's video games or in
::real life and this entire
::movie is just like, get out alive.
::That's yeah.
::That's it.
::And I,
::I don't know if that is something
::that is entertaining and it
::connects with me.
::And before it gets away from me though,
::there are two,
::there are two plot holes in
::this movie that I love talking about.
::Cause there's so much.
::Um, the first is,
::did you enjoy the magic
::hallway that appears after
::they go back to the laser
::room after the initial
::zombies attack them?
::And then all of a sudden
::Mila Jovich and blue shirt
::are like in a different part of the hive.
::What?
::Did you notice that?
::Brian, I did not notice that.
::So also a testament to how
::good this movie is and how
::it like kind of shades some
::of that stuff.
::So right.
::All the commandos are
::fighting all the zombies.
::they try to get through a door.
::One of them gets taken in and they're like,
::Oh my gosh,
::like we're going to be overrun.
::And then like,
::basically they cut to Mila
::Jovich and blue shirt
::walking through the office
::section because of the plot.
::They have to get there to find his sister.
::Like that's the connective tissue.
::But yeah,
::the way they set up the hallway,
::there's no other doors.
::Like there's no other way
::out of the laser hallway.
::But then all of a sudden you can,
::there's a doorway.
::We found this other doorway.
::Oh, weird.
::There's a doorway here.
::Oh, fuck.
::We should have looked.
::No about weird.
::And so like,
::there's somebody call that guy's parents.
::Yo, that's on us.
::We fucked up.
::Like we didn't see the other door.
::And that's where, look, that's, Hey,
::we're sorry.
::Pretty much should have double checked.
::And like, they don't really address it.
::It's fine.
::I don't really think it matters,
::but it is kind of funny when you're like,
::there was another door the whole time.
::Like, really?
::Okay.
::That's fine.
::And then the other one is
::that you get this basically
::when they're in the sewers and
::and like they're trying to
::crawl out and uh the guy
::with the computer arm he's
::like oh no I'm not gonna
::make it and he like has
::this entire dramatic
::overture he puts the gun in
::his mouth and you hear the
::gunshot and you're like oh
::man this guy this guy's not
::gonna make it and then it
::cuts back to him and my
::favorite part is he's like
::oh there's like a tunnel back here
::The movie cuts away.
::I love this movie.
::It's so silly.
::I have no idea what was
::going through Paul W.S.
::Anderson's head of make it super dramatic.
::He's going to commit suicide.
::Actually, there's a tunnel.
::Go ahead.
::We'll move on to the next scene.
::It's such a weird tone shift to me.
::It's so funny.
::That's so crazy.
::I had questions about the
::final boss zombie scene.
::Okay.
::But again, they're not relevant questions.
::They're questions that
::they're Doug Wagner questions of like,
::hey,
::he evolved when he ate the first human,
::but he was eating a bunch
::of other people on the train.
::Why isn't this thing
::evolving every six seconds?
::Like I know, Brian,
::it's not like it's just
::like because again.
::if we go with video game logic, okay,
::he's only had one body.
::He needs three bodies to evolve.
::That's, I mean, you know what I mean?
::Like he needs to get enough DNA to evolve.
::That wasn't enough DNA.
::Like, yeah,
::it's all explain it away with
::video game logic,
::but that is exactly where my brain went,
::which I was like,
::shouldn't he be evolving
::like I gotta fill up that a
::lot of he's gotta fill up
::and that's the clock that
::we're all fighting against
::as the playable characters
::yes right right god exactly
::can't let the liquor fill up the meter
::A lot of your questions are
::being answered through video game logic.
::And I think that that's half
::the premise of the movie is like, yeah,
::it's just think of it like a video game.
::And when you do that, it's like, yeah,
::I get,
::I woke up half naked white woman in
::a tub.
::Hey,
::gas released itself to knock my ass
::out in case of an emergency.
::I go down this tunnel with CO2 sticks.
::I trust the big black man to
::lead us to freedom.
::Like, yeah, for sure.
::Then you go.
::Yes.
::You find the dogs,
::you find this computer that
::leads you astray,
::still following video game logic.
::This all makes sense to me
::because I don't know where
::else I would go.
::Where else are you going to go?
::And then I crack a code and
::get out of there with a crack needle.
::Man, Colin Salmon, his voice is just, man,
::just incredible.
::He's in a lot of those kind of movies too.
::Punisher Warzone and Alien
::vs. Predator he's been in too.
::That was another movie directed by Paul
::No, it was.
::It was.
::Brian, I gave you the list.
::He did Resident Evil.
::You're right.
::Brian, I gave you the list.
::He did Resident Evil.
::I gotta do my homework.
::He did Death Race.
::He did Alien vs. Predator.
::He did the other Resident Evil movies.
::And then he also did Monster
::Hunter that came out in 2020.
::I mean, look.
::And Mortal Kombat.
::Sorry,
::that's the pinnacle was Mortal
::Kombat before this.
::I did bring this up in the chat.
::And like people like to make
::fun of the fact that
::Anderson and Mila Jovich
::just keep making movies as
::a married couple.
::And it's like, that's fine.
::That's a good life.
::We should encourage that.
::Like,
::like he just gets to see his wife
::kick ass every day.
::This whole podcast is
::predicated on three friends
::that just like talking to
::each other about movies.
::Who the fuck are we to be like,
::shame on you for doing
::things with the people you like.
::That doesn't make any sense.
::Just keep making them.
::Go ahead.
::I think I enjoyed watching
::it and feeling Brian's
::enjoyment through this movie.
::I love the fact that you did
::not pick a Star Wars movie
::because I think we have
::enough discussions
::personally to know why we love Star Wars.
::I know you know the lore and
::the history of Star Wars
::and I can come to you with
::any Star Wars question for sure.
::This movie felt like another
::piece of Brian that I think is,
::it explains a lot.
::The female led roles.
::I think that is a major
::piece of who he is.
::This, this sci-fi horror.
::It's a B movie.
::Like I don't need nothing
::that's super fancy dolled
::up makeup or any,
::sometimes the most simplest
::version of a movie just fucking works.
::So I did enjoy watching this.
::Yeah, I will.
::No,
::and that means a lot that you said that
::because like, yeah,
::I definitely wanted to push myself.
::Like I knew I could take an easy out,
::but like like Resident Evil
::is just kind of one of
::those movies that I feel
::like has become a little
::bit of a punch line, by the way,
::for good reason.
::Like there are six of these.
::Seven, technically.
::Kind of outrageous.
::And they do keep getting more outrageous.
::And just like you said.
::But I think for me,
::this first one was so special.
::And I'm glad that it
::resonated with you all.
::Because as I was re-watching it, I'm like,
::this is like a B-horror flick.
::But when I watched this,
::this was just new and
::improved everything.
::And I will say, full disclosure,
::I did not go into this
::expecting to enjoy it.
::I was wondering how it would
::land with you.
::I went into this expecting to be like, ugh,
::yuck.
::But I really overall, again,
::I think Marcus, you said it best.
::It's something I can have on
::in the background.
::I don't have to pay attention to it.
::It's not like I have to
::listen to the dialogue.
::I can look up and be like, oh,
::this is the sewer part.
::And then I can move on.
::I don't have to invest a ton
::of mental or emotional energy in it,
::which is kind of nice.
::And the other thing about it too was like,
::I was also still figuring
::out what my dyslexia was.
::I had a pretty good handle on it,
::but I've always, right,
::I've always been attracted
::to things that are visually
::telling the story.
::And you could probably watch
::this movie on mute and you
::know exactly what's happening.
::You know what the beats are.
::like you you understand like
::those are the monsters and
::they're bad and like that's
::the lady in the red dress
::she's pay attention to her
::right like you get those
::main beats um and I think
::that's one of the other
::reasons so like I didn't
::have to worry so much about
::like parsing out like and
::hearing and listening which
::is part of my dyslexia and
::like my brain works a
::little bit harder to
::process that so like to to
::enjoy this I could I didn't
::have to worry about that aspect um
::That was another piece.
::That's very interesting you
::said that because you are
::absolutely correct.
::The follow the lady in the red dress,
::the visual, that's very good.
::That's very good.
::It's simple.
::It's simple at parts,
::but also I feel like the
::way they constructed it,
::it's entertaining.
::It's more than Mila Jovic
::running around in a red dress.
::It's like,
::No,
::there's something weird around that
::corner.
::No, what are these lasers going to do?
::And so it just kind of gives
::you that center point,
::and you kind of go off from there.
::I'm rambling a little bit,
::but that's one of the reasons I enjoy it.
::Well, no,
::I think that's the more
::impressive part is that small,
::minor detail,
::and then going back to the
::Alice in Wonderland, right?
::She is wearing a red dress.
::All of the Navy SEALs people
::are in black and all black.
::There's one dude in a plain shirt.
::You have the other regular
::t-shirt guy with the hairy arms.
::Everybody else is pretty much basic.
::They find a way to highlight
::her as this is the lead and
::who you follow.
::Everybody else might not be safe,
::but this is who is going
::to... I don't know.
::That's interesting.
::They even give her a black
::jacket and black combat boots.
::They cover up the red dress
::almost immediately after she puts it on,
::which, by the way, is, of course,
::a huge stylistic flourish.
::Of course,
::you wouldn't wear a dress to go
::fight zombies.
::Of course, you wouldn't, but...
::i feel like that stylistic
::flourish is feeding into
::like yes this is different
::and it's weird and no I
::know it doesn't make sense
::but I'm enjoying it yeah
::well I mean if we think
::what a color is supposed to
::do right like red is
::supposed to capture your
::attention it's supposed to
::be like it's supposed to
::convince your brain that
::like that's something that
::I need to watch and pay
::attention to at all times
::it's why the guy in the
::blue the blue shirt guy
::he's the one that we're
::supposed to he's the one
::who's supposed to be trying
::to make us feel better
::You know what I mean?
::When the blood isn't coagulating,
::who's giving the reason?
::Like, oh, the blood is coagulating.
::Why is that a problem?
::Well,
::it would only do that if they were dead.
::He's supposed to be
::providing you and feeding
::you with that information
::that's supposed to make you feel better.
::If you turn it at the very end,
::what happens...
::the thing that's making her
::feel better the blue shirt
::is taken out of that scene
::and we're supposed to have
::this visceral response that
::our safety net it's now no
::longer safe wow I've been
::rewatching this movie for
::20 years and I never even
::thought about it that way
::that's beautiful that's beautiful
::goodnight everybody I mean I
::just want to do one last
::thing that I think is
::really funny and weird so
::the end of this movie right
::is Alice like basically
::picking up a shotgun in a
::deserted zombie city right
::and I would like to point
::out this movie came out in 2002
::And the Walking Dead comic
::released in 2003.
::And all I'm saying is that
::she certainly has some Rick
::Grimes vibes waking up in a
::hospital with nobody around.
::Oh, I think that's weird.
::Yeah, I could see that.
::I could see that.
::Obviously, it could be coincidental.
::They're two completely different stories.
::But when I finished watching it,
::I was like, well,
::that's kind of how Rick
::Grimes story starts.
::That's very interesting.
::I like the way it ends
::because it feels like a beginning.
::Yeah.
::me too well and it took a
::risk like it wasn't a sad I
::would say it's not a it's
::not a tied up ending like
::it's actually pretty
::terrible the one person she
::could trust is now a
::monster well spoilers for
::resident evil apocalypse
::but like it's just her like
::she what did she just lived
::and now she has to survive
::again like that's I don't
::know I think that's awesome
::I think that's such a cool story
::That is cool.
::I love this.
::Brian, thanks for sharing that with us.
::Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
::Thanks for coming along on the ride,
::y'all.
::Thanks for letting us be
::tall enough to ride the ride.
::Absolutely.
::Anytime.
::Doug,
::I'm excited for your movie when you
::choose it.
::Yeah, what are you choosing?
::Jesus.
::Brittany asked me that this weekend,
::and she goes,
::what are you going to choose?
::And I'm like, I don't know.
::I have a couple ideas that
::are my knee jerk,
::and if we go with one of those...
::It's going to be depressing.
::That's okay.
::That's okay.
::But again, when we get into it,
::It's a very specific,
::like you'll understand.
::Comedic depression.
::That's what I'm waiting for too, Marcus.
::I feel like Marcus and I are
::both over here like, how rough is,
::how depressing is this?
::It's only a matter of, to me, which one?
::Which route do you take?
::You know, like I know my guy.
::My guys, I know the vibe.
::That's true.
::And it's just a matter of
::which route you decide to take.
::Yup.
::Yup.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::But again,
::I'm going to try and stick with
::ones that you haven't like
::things that we haven't seen.
::Cause that's what I've appreciated.
::I didn't see,
::don't be a menace in South
::central while drinking your
::juice in the hood.
::I didn't, I've never seen resident evil.
::So I'm going to try to pick
::something that neither one
::of you like watched before.
::So I'll, I'll kind of go about that way,
::but this has been a fun series.
::And like I said,
::I appreciate both of you sharing your,
::your souls would be a,
::your movies with us a little bit,
::which was fun.
::So, uh,
::Anything else you guys want
::to chat about before we
::close this one out?
::I think we're good to close
::the book on the hive.
::Or if you want, Doug,
::if this interested you,
::there are six more movies.
::If you really...
::You know what this did give
::me an itch for?
::It gave me an itch to try
::and find the other movies.
::I think Apocalypse is on a
::separate streaming service
::I have to pay for.
::They're all scattered
::because I did the same thing.
::Retribution is on Netflix.
::The Welcome to Raccoon City, the reboot,
::it's on Pluto TV, I think.
::They're all over the place.
::I do want to watch this did
::kind of put the like the
::taste in my mouth for
::zombie movies again.
::You know what I mean?
::Like I am like I could watch.
::This does get me maybe
::excited to go back to like
::Dawn of the Dead or that
::would be a perfect follow up.
::But you know what movie this
::really kind of got me in
::the mood for 28 days later.
::oh right also stellar follow
::I really really like 28
::days I went a different
::route for what it gave me
::because after I couldn't
::find the the next movie
::mine wanted to make me
::watch um underworld oh sure
::nope that tracks I mean
::that makes it a classic
::yeah absolutely yeah yep
::All right, y'all.
::Well,
::thanks everybody for listening to the
::bonus episode.
::We'll be back next week with
::a regularly scheduled episode.
::But yeah,
::but in the meantime and in the
::between time, stay safe, stay healthy.
::We love y'all.
::We appreciate y'all.
::We'll catch y'all next week.
::Mm-hmm.
::Uh-huh.
::Mm-hmm.
::Mm-hmm.
::Yes.
