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Today I reflect on my trip to Washington DC to Podcast Movement 2024. We talk about the gear, some presentations, some things that could only happen at Podcast Movement in DC, and why there wasn't any carpet.
I used the Rode Interview Pro Portable Microphone to record some interviews in the very noisy vendor hall. With this in mind, I thought I'd talk about plugins that can clean things up.
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MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE
Rode Interview Pro Portable Microphone $244ish
https://supportthisshow.com/rodeinterviewpro
Shure Movmic Wireless Mics (small - great for video)
PodProtect
GW Centeric (Greg Wells) $36
https://supportthisshow.com/gwcentral
Clarity VX Noise Removal $39
https://supportthisshow.com/calrityvx
Accentize DX Revive Pro $299
https://www.accentize.com/dxrevive/
Descript Studio Sound
https://supportthisshow.com/descript
Scheps Omni Channel 2 $39
https://supportthisshow.com/scheps
Audio Sigma Podmobile $359
10 Free Plugins for Garageband (AU not VST)
https://www.musicianwave.com/free-garageband-plugins/
Adobe Enhance
https://podcast.adobe.com/enhance
Dealcasters Chris and Jim
https://www.podpage.com/dealcasters/about/
Paul Colligan's Podcast Partnership
Apple Podcasts on The Web
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/school-of-podcasting-plan-launch-grow-and-monetize/id83653087
Podcaster Morning Chat
Lou Mongello - WDW Radio
The Audience is Listening - Tom Webster Book
https://geni.us/tomwebsterbook
Harry Durran - Podcast Junkies
https://www.podcastjunkies.com
Podnews Podcast Industry News
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Today on episode number 946, I am back from Podcast
Speaker:Movement with some audio that had a lot of noise in the background. So I
Speaker:thought, hey. This would be a great time to explain what a plug in is.
Speaker:And today, we're using plug ins to remove noise, but there are all sorts of
Speaker:plug ins to enhance your voice, make you sound like you're on the
Speaker:radio, all sorts of stuff. So explain what a plug in is. We'll hear
Speaker:some quick one question interviews from James Cridland from
Speaker:podnews.net, and the mighty Mangiello, Lou Mangiello, the king
Speaker:of Disney, will explain how do you make something memorable. I'll
Speaker:talk about the show, the best hardware, what I liked, what I didn't
Speaker:like, some of the feedback on that, all on today's episode of The
Speaker:School of Podcasting. Let's start the show.
Speaker:Podcasting since 2,005. I am your
Speaker:award winning hall of fame podcast coach Dave Jackson, thanking you so
Speaker:much for tuning in. If you're new to the show, well,
Speaker:this is where I help you plan. I help you launch. I help you grow.
Speaker:Hey. And if you want to, I'll help you monetize your podcast.
Speaker:My website is school of podcasting.com. Use the coupon
Speaker:code listener when you sign up for either a monthly or yearly
Speaker:subscription. And today, I am back from Podcast
Speaker:Movement. If you're not a regular listener to the show, I
Speaker:normally don't sound like this. My voice is a little scratchy and a bit
Speaker:deeper. And, so sometimes you
Speaker:go with what you got left. And so what I thought I would do today,
Speaker:it's gonna be a little bit of a shorter show. I've been at Podcast Movement
Speaker:all week. And before that, last week, I was in Atlanta. And
Speaker:so that doesn't leave you a whole lot of time to come up with episode
Speaker:ideas, but today is action packed. I recorded a
Speaker:bit of audio from the floor.
Speaker:And, yeah, this voice is just gonna be fun. This is what we have.
Speaker:And I used the, Interview
Speaker:Pro microphone from RODE. It is a
Speaker:microphone that allows me to basically walk
Speaker:around with a microphone. It is you charge it via
Speaker:USB c. It and you basically when you hit record, you're
Speaker:recording directly into the microphone, not an SD card.
Speaker:And I thought I would give it a shot. And, also, if you're a
Speaker:a RODEcaster user, you can basically wirelessly connect
Speaker:it to your RODEcaster. So if you wanted if you were on stage
Speaker:maybe and had some sort of microphone and you wanted to have one microphone
Speaker:that could go around, you could do that as well. I think it sounds pretty
Speaker:good. But the bad news was, and I knew this, where I
Speaker:was at was not a great recording situation. So let me
Speaker:give you just a bit of the audio here. This is from the
Speaker:Buzzsprout party, and I was interviewing James Criddle. And now I'm not
Speaker:gonna play you the whole clip. I just want you to hear how noisy it
Speaker:is. And there we go. So I'm at the,
Speaker:Buzzsprout. And so what I thought I would do
Speaker:is use this episode to explain what the heck is a plug
Speaker:in. Well, I like to use the analogy of a
Speaker:car. If you think about it, a car is 4
Speaker:wheels, some sort of body with chairs in it, and a
Speaker:steering wheel, and brake, and gas. Then they
Speaker:do things like add air conditioning. That would be a plug
Speaker:in. Some sort of radio is a plug in.
Speaker:In some cases, you get the idea. Right? And heated seats, all this stuff
Speaker:that is added. And if we look at your software,
Speaker:Audacity, Hindenburg, whatever, you have that, and you can
Speaker:record, and you can fade in and fade out, and all the basic stuffs.
Speaker:But then you can add additional features to it. And the first one
Speaker:we're gonna look at is ClarityVX, and it
Speaker:is a tool designed to remove background
Speaker:noise and yet keep the vocal.
Speaker:So I'm going to play with this and just slowly adjust
Speaker:the jaw dial, and you will hear the background
Speaker:disappear. Now as always, if you turn it too far, you'll
Speaker:start to take out some of the actual vocals. So here we go.
Speaker:And there we go. So I'm at the,
Speaker:Buzzsprout hour, whatever this
Speaker:is, the the Buzzsprout party podcast movement, and James just
Speaker:told me some Okay. So at this point, I've turned this up
Speaker:to 50%, and now I'll, we'll continue
Speaker:here. Thing, and I was like, wait. I don't wanna have to write this down,
Speaker:and this is, of course, the one and only James Cridland from podnews.net.
Speaker:You can listen to the podcast, but the newsletter is better.
Speaker:So, I'm at 75%
Speaker:of this. We'll keep going, and I'm gonna turn it up all the way. And
Speaker:as always, this is not perfect, but we'll do a little AB
Speaker:here. James, what is this email thing you just said?
Speaker:So, a few months ago, I was on the way back from
Speaker:Mexico, and I So I'm at a 100%.
Speaker:So let's and I will let you actually hear what James is talking about
Speaker:here in a second, but this is with it a 100%. I was getting
Speaker:really annoyed at the amount of spam that I was getting on,
Speaker:my email address from my website. Because, you know,
Speaker:when you make And now what happens if I turn this off? If I come
Speaker:in here and actually turn it completely off?
Speaker:But unfortunately, bad people use that to send you, I am podcast
Speaker:promoter. I will give you 4000,000,000 downloads. So that's
Speaker:all the way off, and this is with it all the way on. Must be
Speaker:a way around that. So I built something called
Speaker:pod protect dot email. And now the next tool, this isn't a
Speaker:plugin. It's part of Descript. Descript is an audio and
Speaker:video editor. And one of the main reasons I have a
Speaker:Descript subscription is because of the tool
Speaker:called Studio Sound. So here's James going through Studio
Speaker:Sound. So I'm at the,
Speaker:Buzzsprout hour, whatever this
Speaker:is. Alright. 10 Percent. Party podcast movement. And James
Speaker:just told me something, and I was like, wait. I don't wanna 30%. This
Speaker:is, of course, the one and only James Cridland from podnews.net.
Speaker:You can listen to the podcast 50% is better.
Speaker:So, James, what is this email thing you just said?
Speaker:So, 75%. I was on the
Speaker:way back from Mexico, and I was getting really
Speaker:annoyed at the amount amount of So now I'm at like 90%. On, my
Speaker:email address from my RSS feed. Because you know,
Speaker:when you make a podcast 95%.
Speaker:Email address. Well, you need to put an email address in your RSS feed.
Speaker:But unfortunately, bad people use that to send you That that's a
Speaker:100%, which is always a little too much. So I'm gonna back this down to,
Speaker:like, 98%. And so I thought there must be a way around that.
Speaker:Let's go 90 4%. No. We'll do a before and after.
Speaker:Text.email. And my idea around
Speaker:pod protect.email is that There's off.
Speaker:Gives you a random looking email address, which
Speaker:forwards all of the email it gets to you personally.
Speaker:Now if you are looking for something free, they do limit the amount
Speaker:of audio you can upload, but this is me
Speaker:using Adobe Enhance. And again, we're kind of away from the
Speaker:concept of a plug in because a plug in plugs into
Speaker:your software, whether it's Adobe Edition,
Speaker:Hindenburg, I believe GarageBand. I will check
Speaker:that as we're listening to that. And Audacity. So
Speaker:this is me playing with Adobe Enhance. There's
Speaker:only an on off. There is no 10%, 20%
Speaker:kind of thing. So here, you'll hear it with it off, and then you'll
Speaker:hear with it on. Now if you pay for the Adobe
Speaker:Enhance, I believe you can kind of adjust how much of the
Speaker:effect is put into play. This is with it on.
Speaker:Cridlin from podnews.net. You can listen to the
Speaker:podcast, but the newsletter is better. So, here it is.
Speaker:James, what is this With it all. Thing you just said.
Speaker:So, a few months ago, I was on the way back from
Speaker:Mexico and I was getting really annoyed at the
Speaker:amount of spam that I was getting on, my email
Speaker:address. And the next one is now this one's not cheap.
Speaker:This is a plug in. It's close to $300. It's
Speaker:from a company called Accentiz. I use a few of their plug
Speaker:ins, and this is DX Revive Pro.
Speaker:Alright. So this is with it off. And there we go. So
Speaker:I'm at the, Buzzsprout
Speaker:History. Hour, whatever this is. The the Buzzsprout Some
Speaker:at 50%. And James just told me something, and I was like, wait.
Speaker:I don't wanna have to write this down. And this is, of course, the one
Speaker:and only James Cridland from podnews.net. You can listen to
Speaker:the podcast, but the newsletter is better. That's at 80%.
Speaker:What is this email thing you just said? So,
Speaker:a few months ago, I was on the way back from Mexico. Oh, that's
Speaker:90%. Now we've taken out all the audience at this point. The spam that I
Speaker:was getting on, my email address. But you can see where that
Speaker:doesn't sound great. So I'm gonna go into this and choose there are a
Speaker:couple different option, and this one tries to restore the audio.
Speaker:So we'll see how this sounds. But unfortunately, bad people
Speaker:use that to send you, I am podcast promoter. I will give
Speaker:you 4,000,000 downloads. One here. And
Speaker:so I thought Let's try retain. So I
Speaker:built something called hogprotect.email
Speaker:And then back to natural. Around hogprotect.email
Speaker:is that it gives you a So that's at
Speaker:87%. Which forwards all of the email it gets
Speaker:And now let's turn it off. And it gets rid of spam. It gets rid
Speaker:of viruses. In future, the idea is it'll
Speaker:it'll get rid of I am pod podcast promoter. I will get you
Speaker:10,000 downloads. Let's go down let's go down to, like, 80
Speaker:80%. And the way that it is charged,
Speaker:is it's charged by however much you wanna pay. Alright.
Speaker:So here's the fun thing. We've kinda lost some of the
Speaker:clarity. So what do you do? You bring in another plug
Speaker:in. This one is called,
Speaker:GW, it's from waves called voice centric.
Speaker:Now this has a reverb just to show you how ridiculous
Speaker:this sounds. So if you think that it's worth So
Speaker:I will turn that off, and there's a doubler effect. So
Speaker:if I wanted to sound like a big radio voice $2, then great. I'll
Speaker:have $2. Thank you very much. So I don't want that. So I'll
Speaker:turn off the doubler. I could also have a
Speaker:delay, which is as equally useless in a podcasting
Speaker:setting. It's a special effect. If you think that it's worth $20,
Speaker:then I'll have to Yeah. So but what I'm gonna do is turn off all
Speaker:those, and it's a compressor that kind of focuses
Speaker:on kind of your s's and t's a little bit. And so this
Speaker:is about 50% on $20 or indeed
Speaker:$2,000, and and that would be, that would be insane, but that will also
Speaker:be a good thing. And if I want to use this particular
Speaker:service, where do I go? You go to potprotects.email, which is
Speaker:a website address So astonishingly. So I'm gonna
Speaker:turn off the compressor, you know, Accenture here. Email to
Speaker:say I would like in. That is just,
Speaker:d revive pro. Random email address is very manual at the moment. And
Speaker:now let's turn that off. The system forwards emails instantly. It's
Speaker:very cool. It works on Amazon, AWS.
Speaker:And, yeah. And I would like to see it being a success.
Speaker:Sure. It's a success at the moment, but I would like to see it being
Speaker:a success in the future. So that's that. I've now
Speaker:turned d Revive Pro up to a 100%.
Speaker:Again, notice what I'm doing here. I'm playing. You just kind of have
Speaker:to go, Wonder what happens if I do this. So this is, I
Speaker:think, decent d revive pro on
Speaker:98% and g v or GW,
Speaker:Voice Centric, kind of bringing it back. Is the the buzzsprout
Speaker:party at Podcast Movement, and James just told me something. And I was like,
Speaker:wait. I don't wanna have to write this down. And this is, of course, the
Speaker:one and only James Cridland. Now the fun part is I have another
Speaker:favorite plug in from waves, and I'll talk about the
Speaker:pricing about this in just a second called Shep's omnichannel.
Speaker:You ready for some jargon? This is a compressor
Speaker:noise gate de esser equalizer all built into 1,
Speaker:and I have it already set up to boost some frequencies just to make
Speaker:everything warm and fuzzy. So we will listen to James here, and
Speaker:I will this is with it off. From podnews.net. You can
Speaker:listen to the podcast, but the newsletter is better. And this is with it
Speaker:on. What is this email thing you just said?
Speaker:So, a few months ago, I was on the way back from
Speaker:Mexico, and I This is with it all. Was getting really annoyed at the
Speaker:amount of spam that I was getting on, my email
Speaker:address from my RSS feed. Because, you know, when you
Speaker:make a podcast, you can put a email address
Speaker:well, you need to put an email address in your RSS feed. Alright. So do
Speaker:I think that's amazing audio? I think it's much better
Speaker:than where it started. It's a little underwatery,
Speaker:which means I've got things probably dialed up a little too much. But
Speaker:unfortunately, bad people use that too. But that's where we started.
Speaker:And with the and I'm just doing this right now. Like, off the top of
Speaker:my head, I'm not, you know, tweaking numbers behind the scenes.
Speaker:This is just what you hear is what you hear, and this is what we
Speaker:ended up with. And you I am podcast promoter. I will give
Speaker:you 4000,000,000 downloads. So
Speaker:that's what a and now here, we're using plugins just
Speaker:to remove background, noise. You you heard one here where
Speaker:I've shaped the sound. I've added some EQ. I compressed it.
Speaker:Compressed it kinda makes it a little more consistent in your
Speaker:audio quality. It makes the, the loud things
Speaker:get softer, and the softer things get louder. A de
Speaker:esser is if you have somebody who says they're s's and t's, and it just
Speaker:kind of I don't know. It it feels like somebody poked you in the eye
Speaker:with a fork. Yeah. A de esser can kinda bring that down a little
Speaker:bit. And then a noise gate is says, look. You have to be
Speaker:this loud to get into the recording. And
Speaker:so James is loud, but the audio
Speaker:of the background, you know, the people in the background. If I turn off
Speaker:the, the D Revive Pro and this is just show
Speaker:what a noise gate is here. Let's hear this. And so
Speaker:I thought there must be a way around that. So I built
Speaker:something called pod protect dot email,
Speaker:and my idea around pod protect dot email Now
Speaker:so here you hear where I've turned it, but
Speaker:the the voice is so loud that it's also cutting
Speaker:out James. So that's where it it just doesn't work.
Speaker:In future, the idea is it'll it'll get rid of I am pod
Speaker:podcast promoter. I will get you 10,000 downloads.
Speaker:And, and that's a classic example of when not to use a noise
Speaker:gate. Because you can see there that
Speaker:when he doesn't talk, it starts to
Speaker:push the crowd out. But when I've turned
Speaker:on those other ones, they've already taken out the crowd so I can just
Speaker:shape his audio. Yeah. And so that's the idea. And the
Speaker:way that it is charged. Again, not perfect audio,
Speaker:but so much better than what it was. Now the last
Speaker:thing I want to say about this is, first of all,
Speaker:somebody's gonna go, how are you recording this? This is the advantage of 2
Speaker:computers. I'm doing it on 1, running the output of 1 computer
Speaker:into the other so I can sit here and tweak, and you're hearing me tweak
Speaker:with this. But also, plug ins can be
Speaker:quite the time suck. You can really like, oh, should I
Speaker:go 4.1 or 2 point 2 on the compression? And,
Speaker:oh, maybe it's better at 12 kilohertz for the like, okay. I
Speaker:turn it until I go, is that better? Yeah. I I like that better. And
Speaker:then I'm like, what if I do this? And what if I do that? So
Speaker:you you can if you're a perfectionist. Perfectionist beware
Speaker:because you can lose a whole evening playing with these kind of toys.
Speaker:Hey. It's future Dave. It's now Sunday, Dave. Voice is coming back a little
Speaker:bit, but I wanted to now let you listen to James Cridlin.
Speaker:And we know a little bit about it. So we're gonna jump to the good
Speaker:part about his tool that will help you get less spam
Speaker:in podcasting. So I built something called
Speaker:podprotect.email, And my idea
Speaker:around podprotect.email is that it
Speaker:gives you a random looking email address, which forwards
Speaker:all of the email it gets to you personally,
Speaker:But it gets rid of spam. It gets rid of viruses.
Speaker:In future, the idea is it'll it'll get rid of I am pod
Speaker:podcast promoter. I will get you 10,000 downloads.
Speaker:And, yeah. And so that's the idea. And the way that it
Speaker:is charged, is it's
Speaker:charged by however much you wanna pay. So
Speaker:if you think that it's worth $2, then great. I'll have $2.
Speaker:Thank you very much. If you think that it's worth $20, then I'll have
Speaker:$20 or indeed $2,000. And and that would be,
Speaker:that would be insane, but that will also be a good thing. And if I
Speaker:want to use this particular service, where do I go? You go to
Speaker:potprotect.email, which is a website address, astonishingly.
Speaker:And you can read more about it there, and you can send me a very
Speaker:polite email to say, I would like in. And, yeah. And I
Speaker:will make you, a random email address. It's very manual at the
Speaker:moment, but the system the system forwards emails
Speaker:instantly. It's very cool. It works on Amazon, AWS.
Speaker:And, yeah. And I would like to see it being a success.
Speaker:Sure. It's a success at the moment, but I would like to see it being
Speaker:a success in the future. So if you go over there, be
Speaker:sure to say Dave Jackson sent you. So, James, thank you so
Speaker:much. Thank you. There you go. And I'll have links to
Speaker:this out at school of podcasting.com/946.
Speaker:And if you wanna keep up with what's going on in podcasting,
Speaker:it's podnews.net is where you can sign up for James' newsletter,
Speaker:or, of course, you can listen to his podcast. Yay. Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah. Next up, I saw some really great
Speaker:presentations. My buddy Harry Duran from Podcast Junkies, Seth
Speaker:Ressler did a great one, and I saw one from what I refer
Speaker:to as the king of Disney podcast, the mighty Mangiello,
Speaker:Lou Mangiello, and he did a great
Speaker:presentation on community. And one of my favorite lines is,
Speaker:he does he'll travel around the world to have these meetups, and
Speaker:he's like, and it's not so his audience can meet Lou.
Speaker:Lou's like, no. No. No. It's so I can meet you. And I always say,
Speaker:you can tell me the eye color of your audience. You're in the right place.
Speaker:And one of the things he had in his slide was make it
Speaker:memorable. So I asked Lou, how do you make something
Speaker:memorable? Well, I think it's so important because it's like this, Dave. It's the eye
Speaker:to eye, face to face interactions with people that you have to sort of
Speaker:extend that online. I I one of the slides was you have to genuinely
Speaker:care about every single person. You have to learn how to care at scale.
Speaker:It's not just about what we say, but more importantly, listening to people. Like,
Speaker:there's nothing matters more to somebody than they tell you a story and you
Speaker:remember it later on. Or I see somebody pop up in a live video and
Speaker:say, oh, god. How was your trip? How was your daughter's birthday? All of a
Speaker:sudden, you're like, wow. Like, he remembers me. It's difficult to
Speaker:do, but every single person matters. I talk about how, you know, every
Speaker:download is a number. Like, every number that's a download is a real
Speaker:human being that's giving you their time. Give them the attention that they deserve
Speaker:in return. And where can people find your stuff? Everything I do on
Speaker:the Disney side of things is at wdwradio.com, and
Speaker:everything else is at luemongello. Thank you, my friend. Welcome to
Speaker:Because of My Podcast, where we spotlight the results people are
Speaker:achieving because of their podcast.
Speaker:Hey. This one's for me. I have known Paul Culligan
Speaker:since the early days of the very first podcast
Speaker:expo in Ontario, California. And
Speaker:Paul and I were in this, little meeting area, and
Speaker:he said, you know, if we got enough people, you might actually be able to
Speaker:make money with this. And people literally grabbed
Speaker:pitchforks and torches. They're like, it's my art,
Speaker:man. You can't charge money. It's art. Like,
Speaker:I really thought they were gonna hang us out to dry. And because I know
Speaker:Paul Culgan from the podcast partnership, he won tickets
Speaker:to a NPR Tiny Desk Concert, and
Speaker:I can't say who it is till next week, but it was very cool. And
Speaker:then he also knew somebody who did a walking
Speaker:tour of the monument, so we went on that
Speaker:as well. So thank you to Paul Colgan from the podcast
Speaker:partnership. It was a really cool experience. Oh, and this is even
Speaker:better. After the Tiny Desk concert, we're hanging out on the
Speaker:terrace with Bob. And Bob is in a
Speaker:suit and glasses, and, he turns out to be the
Speaker:head of NPR Plus, which is their, you know,
Speaker:subscription thing as well as the head of NPR Music. So
Speaker:he is a big shot smarty pants. And what was cool
Speaker:is we're talking about the concert we just saw, and it was cool because
Speaker:the artist kinda did these little stories about the song. And Paul,
Speaker:being the YouTube guru and just general marketing guy that he is,
Speaker:we're talking about shorts. And I said, you know, for me,
Speaker:I don't know that I would put the music out as a short. I would
Speaker:put the story out as a short because anytime I ever
Speaker:hear the story of a song, the first thing I wanna
Speaker:do is go hear the song, and Bob, the head of
Speaker:NPR Music, was like, oh, that's a good idea. And I
Speaker:felt like I'd made Jerry Seinfeld laugh. He was like, yeah. That's a a
Speaker:really good idea. So that was very cool. So thank
Speaker:thank you, Paul. Culligan from the podcast partnership. More about Bob right after this.
Speaker:So another shout out I want to say is I've been talking
Speaker:about the book, The Audience is Listening by Tom Webster. I'm here to tell
Speaker:you. Required reading. Really, really good. And I
Speaker:had a book in my hotel room, and there was Tom Webster. I was
Speaker:like, oh, I forgot to bring my book with me. And Tom had
Speaker:one there in his little satchel and,
Speaker:was kind enough to give me the book and sign it. So that was
Speaker:really cool, and there's a because of my podcast. And standing or
Speaker:sitting next to Tom was Bob, you know, the
Speaker:Big Shot Smarty pants from NPR. And I was like,
Speaker:oh, but I didn't recognize him because Bob didn't have his glasses on, and he
Speaker:wasn't wearing a suit. And so Tom had said he really
Speaker:liked the Ira Glass keynote.
Speaker:And here is a a lesson learned.
Speaker:Number 1, always know your audience. And this
Speaker:also kind of applies to if you would get a one
Speaker:star rating. So I'm excited because
Speaker:Ira Glass now if you're not familiar with Ira, he's the guy behind This
Speaker:American Life. He is what I consider one of the
Speaker:top storytellers crafting content to engage kinda
Speaker:guys. And I was really excited when I heard that the
Speaker:keynote was with Ira Glass and then some woman
Speaker:named Rachel Martin. And so I sat down
Speaker:and was ready to hear Rachel talk about storytelling and
Speaker:crafting stuff because after all, you know, this is a keynote
Speaker:speech. Well, I did not get that. And so the fun thing is
Speaker:I'm not recognizing Bob, you know, and both these people are from
Speaker:NPR. Tom says I really liked Ira's presentation,
Speaker:and I vehemently disagreed fairly
Speaker:passionately because I said, really? I said, because there was Ira
Speaker:Glass, and I've got you got Rachel on stage, and it took her,
Speaker:like, probably if I I wanna say 10 minutes, but it was
Speaker:probably 5. And she's explaining this game. And it
Speaker:took everything in my head not to shout out, ask
Speaker:a freaking question. It was ridiculous. And
Speaker:then I'm waiting to hear about crafting stories and content
Speaker:and how to you know? And instead, we learned that Ira Glass'
Speaker:uncle was in Vietnam, that Ira, at times,
Speaker:doesn't like people. Like, we learned all of these things
Speaker:about Ira, none of which were how to craft a story.
Speaker:Now one hand, this was a great
Speaker:episode for Rachel's show. Because I always
Speaker:say, if you have somebody on your show and they're a big shot smarty pants
Speaker:like Ira Glass, you would want them to do a
Speaker:different interview. Because if you do the same old, same old, hey, Ira, let's talk
Speaker:about building stories, then
Speaker:Ira's audience has probably already heard that. So I
Speaker:applaud her for doing an episode of her show that would
Speaker:have been a great interview. There was only one problem.
Speaker:This was a podcast conference, and this was a keynote.
Speaker:And I was like, holy cow. Would you and she, at times, made
Speaker:it about her because she was sharing her insights, which is a
Speaker:a somewhat of an interview tactic. But
Speaker:and there was a little bit of, like, banter where I don't think Ira got
Speaker:the game, and that's the whole thing. So let me read now
Speaker:the description of this session. 2 legendary public media
Speaker:hosts, 1 card game exploring life's biggest questions.
Speaker:This America This American Life's Ira Glass will join NPR's
Speaker:wildcard host, Rachel Martin, for a 1 on 1 choose your own
Speaker:adventure conversation that lets them open up about their fears, their
Speaker:joys, and how they built meaning from experience,
Speaker:all with the help of a very special deck of cards. You won't want to
Speaker:miss this. So was I the target audience
Speaker:for this? No. No. I was not. Had I taken the time
Speaker:to read the description, I would have said, oh, this is not
Speaker:Ira talking about storytelling stuff, and I would
Speaker:have skipped it. So realize that if somebody
Speaker:goes to your show and they leave a one star review
Speaker:explaining how this show should be whatever
Speaker:that you're not doing, that person may not have read the
Speaker:description, and they may not understand that what your show is
Speaker:about. So I did like her questions. She asked some very
Speaker:thought provoking questions. But when I was there looking
Speaker:for insights on how to do better
Speaker:storytelling, I wasn't getting that. So shame on me
Speaker:for not reading the description, but I wanted to share that with you that if
Speaker:somebody goes, ah, that was awful, well, that person may not have read the
Speaker:description and was not the target audience. Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. The other keynote that I thought I would mention
Speaker:was Steven Bartlett. He's the guy behind
Speaker:the diary of a CEO. And
Speaker:on this show, I talk about if you really wanna know your audience, you know,
Speaker:get them to listen to your stuff and get some feedback immediately and ask the
Speaker:right questions. And Steven Bartlett is, like,
Speaker:over the top with this stuff. Like, he does stuff that I'm like,
Speaker:okay. That's that's a little yeah. That's a little much. Like,
Speaker:controlling the temperature no. Not the temperature of the room. Although, I'm sure he does
Speaker:that too. The amount of oxygen in the room
Speaker:is adjusted. He does research on the guest's favorite
Speaker:music so that music is playing as the
Speaker:person walks in. There are a whole bunch of things. And then he what he
Speaker:does is he has people because he's primarily a YouTuber. We'll talk about
Speaker:that in a second. He's primarily a YouTuber, and he
Speaker:has this tool that watches the person watch a
Speaker:video. And if somebody's eyes look away, this
Speaker:software notes it because they're like, oh, somebody looked away. It's
Speaker:not compelling. So he takes kind of really
Speaker:looking at your audience to a whole new level. And
Speaker:the one kinda takeaway that I was worried about was
Speaker:when you watch this like, that's great advice. Really know what your
Speaker:audience wants, give it to them, etcetera. But
Speaker:this guy has lots of money behind his show and
Speaker:has a team. And so I was like, what about the independent
Speaker:podcaster that is just you know, they're on episode 13.
Speaker:I hope they don't think, oh, I have to do this to be successful.
Speaker:You don't. But the concept of what he's going for, know
Speaker:your audience, know what they want, and give it to them, get
Speaker:feedback, be open to suggestions if they are your
Speaker:target audience, and go from there. But, no, you don't need a team
Speaker:of 19 to start off or to be successful. Case in
Speaker:point, Dan Carlin, Hardcore History. That guy does
Speaker:he breaks every rule. His show comes out when it's ready. It's,
Speaker:I don't know, 2 to 4 hours long. It's basically an audiobook. You
Speaker:know, there are people, Mignon Fogarty does Grammar
Speaker:Girl. She's been on Oprah. You know, there are a lot of people that did
Speaker:not have giant teams and still had success, but I did like
Speaker:the idea of his presentation, which is
Speaker:make sure you're getting feedback from your audience and give them what they want.
Speaker:Yay. Yeah. Yeah. Seth Ressler has been on this show.
Speaker:I call him the Pied Piper of radio. He led many a
Speaker:team of radio people to podcasting, and he did a
Speaker:a presentation about community. Then now that I am dealing in
Speaker:community over at PodPage, I wanted to watch that. And he made a great point.
Speaker:He said, yes. The riches are in the niches,
Speaker:but the successful people are the people that
Speaker:have the niche and a place for niches
Speaker:to converse with each other. And some people
Speaker:use Facebook. I am not a big Facebook fan. I'm on Facebook all the time,
Speaker:but I was kicked out of my own Facebook group because I said,
Speaker:hey. Lunch with Dave starts in 20 minutes, and they accused me of spamming my
Speaker:own group. And it took me a long time to get that back, so I
Speaker:do not trust them. I use heartbeat for my community. Links in the
Speaker:show notes. But I just thought that was a great line. It is easier said
Speaker:than done. You can't just throw up a Facebook group. I
Speaker:did a interview with Jono
Speaker:from, he runs many things, but he's kind of a Facebook
Speaker:community guru guy. And I'll put links to that out in the show notes. But
Speaker:I love that line. When you can get your community talking to each other,
Speaker:that's a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mentioned
Speaker:in regarding to gear, I think the,
Speaker:Audio Sigma Pod Mobile, now that's
Speaker:$359. It's a great piece of gear. I need to
Speaker:eventually, I wanna get one of those. I gotta save some pennies for that. But
Speaker:I wanna play with one of those. Because I played with it on the floor,
Speaker:and it was amazing. I mean, absolutely amazing. It, again, had
Speaker:built in noise reduction. And then I forgot to mention this last
Speaker:week. I was in Atlanta, and I got to
Speaker:go to dinner with the Dealcasters,
Speaker:Jim and Chris, Chris Stone from castahead.net.
Speaker:And they were using this new itty bitty
Speaker:lavalier system from Shure called the Shure Move
Speaker:mic. Now this goes for, I believe, about 260.
Speaker:But here's since we're talking about noise reduction, this
Speaker:is a this is on the Shure website. So this is without
Speaker:turning this on, and you use this app on your phone
Speaker:to capture, and you have one microphone on you and
Speaker:one on your guest. In this case, these are people standing in front of a
Speaker:bunch of water outside, so it sounds like this. So today,
Speaker:I'm here with Alex, the lead singer from Stay Hungry, a band from South
Speaker:London. Now I'm gonna turn on the, Sure Move
Speaker:mic noise reduction, and it sounds like this. Jimmy Hendrix and
Speaker:Marvin Gaye. I'm all about the classics. Alright. And we hear that you're
Speaker:headlining a show and tell me what's that been like. It's really exciting. We're
Speaker:prepping our live set now as we speak. We're gonna have acoustic features Now
Speaker:it's on. Special guests and dancing on stage. It's really exciting,
Speaker:Roy. So that was something that I was like,
Speaker:That's interesting. Again, the short move mic, if you're looking to do
Speaker:interviews in person on the road like I did and wanna
Speaker:cut out some noise, I was like, Nothing against the
Speaker:RODE Interview Pro. It is very convenient.
Speaker:You know, I charge the mic. I you know? But this was,
Speaker:that that caught my attention. So I went over and looked up some
Speaker:pricing on this because I know you're screaming at your dashboard right now going, how
Speaker:much does this stuff cost? So the RODE Interview Pro
Speaker:is 32 bit float. We'll talk about 32 bit float in the future, but here's
Speaker:it in a nutshell. You can't record bad audio. But the only thing
Speaker:that would be bad is if you had plosives, which you might because there's no
Speaker:way to monitor what you're recording, which is kind of a bummer. And then the
Speaker:Shure Move mic, if you buy just a single one with the charging
Speaker:case, it's 249. If you do the Shure Move mic with 2 of them
Speaker:because you wanna interview people, that's 349. And
Speaker:then you don't have to buy this receiver, but you
Speaker:could buy this receiver and then plug it directly into your
Speaker:camera. So if you're doing that kind of thing, that is a 199 for
Speaker:the receiver. So things are getting a little costly. And if you want all
Speaker:in 1, 2 microphones, receiver, case, whole 9 yards, that's
Speaker:$500. That's why I didn't buy that because the pod or the,
Speaker:RODE Interview Pro was 249, which is still
Speaker:not cheap, but it was really convenient to do. And
Speaker:then how you get the files off is the same USB
Speaker:that you use to charge it. You install the
Speaker:RODE software on your computer. You plug it
Speaker:in to the microphone, and then you remove the, you you
Speaker:basically copy the files to your computer, and then they are good to go. So
Speaker:that's what was going on hardware wise at Podcast Movement. The
Speaker:school of podcasting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:Hey. I didn't wanna leave my GarageBand people leaving. They're like, hey. You said
Speaker:you're gonna check into that. Yeah. GarageBand does not use
Speaker:VST plugins. They use AU. So I'm not
Speaker:sure if things like Shep's omnichannel, which is
Speaker:$39, the Accenti's, 2.99,
Speaker:Clarity VX is $39 for a plug in. The GW Sentric
Speaker:GW, by the way, short for Greg Wells, who's some famous big shot
Speaker:smarty pants, $36. The Rode Interview
Speaker:Pro microphone, I said it was 280. And at Amazon
Speaker:right now, it is less than that. I have to be careful not to,
Speaker:say a number because that voids my whatever affiliate
Speaker:thing. So I wanted to be sure to throw that in here that if you
Speaker:are using GarageBand and that's probably one of the reasons why I don't. I'm a
Speaker:big fan of Hindenburg. And, also, I should let you know,
Speaker:Descript, great editor for audio and video, does not use plug ins
Speaker:at all. So in a way, you kinda go, well, they have some building.
Speaker:They have a building compressor. They have the studio sound that I mentioned, so they
Speaker:kinda don't need it. But if you want them, you can't do that in Descript,
Speaker:in which case, they do work. VST plugins do work
Speaker:with Audacity. So you could fix your audio in Audacity and then
Speaker:throw it into Descript if that's something you're using.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, Dave, what about the actual
Speaker:show? Because I know there are people that were pretty
Speaker:vocal online. They were saying things like, hey. How come
Speaker:there's no carpet in the vendor area? And the answer is very
Speaker:simple. It's really expensive. I know that
Speaker:from, a, being the head of podcasting
Speaker:at the New Media Expo and also for working with
Speaker:Libsyn. And so now on the other hand, is that a
Speaker:bummer for sound? Yeah. Because, again, there were
Speaker:at least 4 stages in the booth area. Now
Speaker:how they did this was you would talk into
Speaker:a wireless microphone, and that would then go out to headphones. So
Speaker:depending on what stage you were sitting in front of, you could basically push a
Speaker:button on your headphone, and you would get the presenter on the
Speaker:stage in front of you. So that was really kind of interesting. So it really
Speaker:didn't matter that there was a lot of noise because you'd put on these headphones,
Speaker:and you could hear the presenter. Now from a presenter
Speaker:standpoint, it was really weird because
Speaker:unless you put your headphones on and I think if I did this again, I
Speaker:would put headphones on knowing that I'm gonna look a little goofy, but
Speaker:I'm all about communication. And so I
Speaker:lucked out. Before I started, I had the microphone, and I went
Speaker:over and stood by the speaker. And I noticed that their microphones were
Speaker:really open to plosives or popping p's and b's. You know that
Speaker:sound. And I was like, oh, I need to move this microphone somewhat
Speaker:away from my mouth, basically pointed at the corner,
Speaker:and then maybe talk a little louder. But, see, I don't know how loud
Speaker:I am in their headphones. So that was kinda tricky. The other thing
Speaker:was because there's so much murmuring going on, you heard the, I'm not gonna
Speaker:play more noise. I think you got the idea. But the fun
Speaker:thing that me, I like to be entertaining when I'm on stage,
Speaker:and you you listen for the laughs.
Speaker:And people were smiling, and I believe they were laughing when they're supposed to laugh,
Speaker:but I couldn't tell how well the joke landed because
Speaker:if a joke doesn't land, you know, 2 or 3 times, I'm like, okay, this
Speaker:is a just the facts kind of crowd. And I couldn't
Speaker:tell how well I was doing with the crowd. I did have a big
Speaker:crowd, which was, good. I'll have a picture of that. I I do a thing
Speaker:now when I'm on stage. I have people who have never heard of me,
Speaker:have no idea who I am, raise their hand, and then they say, how do
Speaker:you grow your audience? You get in front of people who don't
Speaker:listen to your show but should. So there's a,
Speaker:a picture of me on stage and some people in the back raising their
Speaker:hand, which I was very happy to see that those people had
Speaker:no clue, who I was, what I was. The school of
Speaker:podcasting was all brand new to them, and that's how you grow
Speaker:your audience. So there seem to be
Speaker:more industry people, which is not a bad thing. Usually, that's what
Speaker:podcast movement evolutions is about. It's all about the Iheart's and the
Speaker:wonderies and things like that. And it's kind of a catch 22.
Speaker:It really is. I I admire Dan and
Speaker:Jared because these events are a big
Speaker:risk. So here's the thing. If you want the
Speaker:big like, Spotify I know this is shocking. Spotify didn't have
Speaker:a booth, but they did have a secret room that was invite only. So
Speaker:if you ever wonder why we talk about Spotify being the walled
Speaker:garden, they're not interested in their listeners. Well, that's
Speaker:me. That's an opinion. May not be accurate. It feels that way. It feels like
Speaker:they don't care about the listeners. They care,
Speaker:in my opinion, about sponsors, but, you know, it's a business.
Speaker:And so there seemed to be more industry
Speaker:folks there. There were some booths that weren't there before. There was no
Speaker:Heil. There was no shore, that kind of thing. And
Speaker:there were some other booths that, you know but there was a great group of
Speaker:of people there. But here's the thing, if I want
Speaker:the big networks to come and do their special meetings,
Speaker:I've gotta have a big hotel. Right? We're talking at least
Speaker:2,000 people, and you can't do that at the Holiday
Speaker:Inn. It'd be much cheaper at the Holiday Inn, but you can't do that at
Speaker:the Holiday Inn. So you gotta have a big hotel. So
Speaker:the problem is when you have a big hotel, it's expensive.
Speaker:And so I wasn't sure, being that I had just switched jobs, who
Speaker:was going to be paying for this trip. And as much as I wanna support
Speaker:Dan and Jared, I actually stayed right across the street at the
Speaker:Hampton Inn, which is about $40 cheaper a night. Now the other thing they
Speaker:did was they had it during the week.
Speaker:So if your kids were going back to school or if you have
Speaker:this thing called a day job and didn't feel like taking vacation
Speaker:time to come to a podcasting event, you weren't coming.
Speaker:And so it's kind of tricky. It really is
Speaker:almost a no win situation. Because if you have
Speaker:it over a weekend, maybe you have it on a Friday, Saturday,
Speaker:Sunday, maybe it's over by Monday, then more people can
Speaker:attend. And if you have it in a smaller venue,
Speaker:then it you you see what I mean? It's it's a catch kinda 22.
Speaker:And so I appreciate anybody who has a
Speaker:podcast event because I know people
Speaker:who have had events. And 2 weeks from the actual day
Speaker:of the event, they were losing their shirt. Because you realize when they
Speaker:say, we have a block of hotels with a discount, that means
Speaker:they've paid for those. They've paid for those in advance so that they can give
Speaker:you a better price. And if nobody buys all
Speaker:those hotels, they eat it. Like, that's money out
Speaker:of their pocket. So it's kinda spooky. And like I
Speaker:say, 9 times out of 10, I will buy the hotel
Speaker:at the event, the one that they're recommending, because I wanna support those folks.
Speaker:This time, I wasn't sure exactly what was going on and whose pocket that
Speaker:money was coming out of, so I stayed across the street. But it is tricky,
Speaker:and it was a as always, podcast movement is a well oiled
Speaker:machine. So there were no big, like, oh, wait. Where's the
Speaker:microphone? What time? No. That was it was a great run event.
Speaker:And, yes, there was no carpet on the floor. Yes. That added to the
Speaker:noise. But the question then, and I'm assuming here,
Speaker:is it was cheaper to pay for the headphones than it
Speaker:was for the carpet. You know, the puppies were back. I love
Speaker:petting the puppy. There's some local dog shelter
Speaker:that, you know, has the dogs come in, and we all pet them, and then
Speaker:we're hoping that some of them go home with someone. So that was really cool.
Speaker:It was a great run event. And for me, in terms of
Speaker:this was the first event I'd gone to that I was not,
Speaker:supporting Libsyn. I don't work at Libsyn anymore. Again, nothing wrong with
Speaker:Libsyn. And I do wanna talk about YouTube here in a second and
Speaker:AI, but this is the first time I got to go to sessions
Speaker:because I wasn't standing at a Libsyn booth going, Libsyn. It's short
Speaker:for liberated syndication. And so the fun thing was the first day I
Speaker:went to go to an actual session, and
Speaker:I met someone I hadn't seen in about 4 years. And then when I was
Speaker:done talking to them, I saw someone who I hadn't seen in
Speaker:about 4 years. So it was kinda podcast summer camp for
Speaker:me, which was amazing. I got to hang out with people
Speaker:I hadn't seen in years. I got to hang out with new people that I
Speaker:had met. That was fun. And for me, again, that's one of
Speaker:the biggest benefits of podcasting is networking because that way, when
Speaker:somebody says, hey. I'm thinking about starting a podcast,
Speaker:those people go, I got the guy for you. School of podcasting.com.
Speaker:Been teaching more people than anyone else on the Internet, yada yada
Speaker:yada. Go talk to Dave. And so that's, what I do
Speaker:at that show a lot. I did attend some really great sessions. Like I said,
Speaker:Lou and, Seth
Speaker:and Harry and Paul Culligan had a great session
Speaker:about how to really launch and get up the, charts.
Speaker:So it was a great time. Now the question was,
Speaker:were there a lot of brand new podcasters or people that
Speaker:hadn't started podcasting yet? And I was in, I think, a keynote,
Speaker:and somebody asked that question. And I was in, like, row 5,
Speaker:and there weren't anybody in front of me raising their hands that, no, I haven't
Speaker:started my podcast yet. So I turned around and looked over my shoulder, and
Speaker:there were some people. Now there weren't a ton, but there were some
Speaker:people. I know somebody said there weren't any, and I'm like, hey. Hey. Easy now.
Speaker:But it was a little different conference. Again, I think
Speaker:in general, radio is moving deeper and deeper
Speaker:into podcasting, which on one hand, great thing
Speaker:because they're hopefully bringing listeners. The part I'm worried
Speaker:about is more and more, I was in a couple sessions, and they were
Speaker:talking about serving the advertiser. And I
Speaker:get that. If that is your business model, that is your
Speaker:customer. But I'm always like, please don't forget that the only way
Speaker:you get a customer who is an advertiser is by
Speaker:serving the listener. And there seemed to be a lot of
Speaker:focus a lot of focus on, brand safety. I saw that.
Speaker:There was a booth about that, and I'm, like, I just don't think that's gonna
Speaker:work. I think we need to focus on the reaction, maybe not so
Speaker:much recreational outrage when somebody says booger in a
Speaker:podcast, and you don't you know, I I embrace
Speaker:all opinions as long as they're just like mine. I'm kinda tired of that
Speaker:one. And so I'm not when I hear brand safety,
Speaker:there is that. The other topic I wanted to talk about, and this is one
Speaker:of the coolest things that I was like, oh, I'm so glad I'm here.
Speaker:One day, myself and Rob Greenlee, had
Speaker:breakfast with Mark Ronick. Now what's really weird, Mark is a
Speaker:really nice guy. He's been podcasting since 2,005,
Speaker:and, somehow, we have not bumped into each other. I
Speaker:discovered him, and he does a show. And here's a fun one. He does a
Speaker:show every morning at 7 AM, I'm assuming that's Eastern,
Speaker:on Clubhouse. And if you're like me, you probably said, is
Speaker:Clubhouse still a thing? Yeah. It is. And Mark is there every
Speaker:day with the podcasting morning chat. So I got to hang out with
Speaker:Mark, get to know him a bit. Always nice to know, kind
Speaker:of, your and can we put up quotation marks? Your competition.
Speaker:And all I'm looking for is Mark a hope salesman
Speaker:because there are those people that are like, I can guarantee you downloads.
Speaker:No. You can't. Not that are actual real. We'll talk about that a second
Speaker:with the FTC. And I can guarantee this. And top of the
Speaker:could none of that. You can't guarantee. And there's a thing called talent that you
Speaker:need. Now granted, with Paul's tool, he is
Speaker:when he says, I can get you to the top of the charts, he also
Speaker:says, how many people are on your email list? And if you go 0,
Speaker:Paul, again, is not a Hope salesman. 3 easy payments. I can
Speaker:give you everything you want in life. Yeah. It just and there are people that
Speaker:are doing that. Quit your day job in 6 weeks. 3 easy
Speaker:payments of 9979797.
Speaker:Okay. Great. And Mark was a great guy. So I got to hang out with
Speaker:him. And those are the things that are cool, which leads me to
Speaker:Mark looked at me and we're talking about different things. And Mark looked at me
Speaker:and said, oh, that's right. You're an audio only guy. You don't like YouTube. And
Speaker:I was like, hey. Hey. Easy. Easy. And so nothing against Mark.
Speaker:Wasn't mad. Wasn't upset. This is what you want. This is called constructive feedback.
Speaker:I was like, oh, I didn't realize it was coming off this way. So I
Speaker:will say it again. Here's Dave's official stance on should I be on YouTube.
Speaker:If you have the money, and you have the desire,
Speaker:and you have the bandwidth to do video, by all
Speaker:means, be on YouTube. Because when you start with
Speaker:video, you can go any way you want. You can strip the audio out
Speaker:and make it, an audio podcast and a YouTuber. The thing that
Speaker:drives me nuts, and they did it again, is they're
Speaker:calling video podcasts on
Speaker:YouTube. That's a phrase. And a video podcast on
Speaker:YouTube is called a YouTuber. It's not really a
Speaker:podcast, and I'm not gonna die on that hill and go, ah, RSS
Speaker:feed. Okay. It just it messes up all the stats. That's
Speaker:all I'm saying. And I have seen so here's if you got the
Speaker:time and the need and the want and the budget, be on YouTube.
Speaker:Absolutely. What I hate is when I see somebody who has
Speaker:a great idea, they wanna do a podcast, but they're not.
Speaker:Why? Because they have been told they have to
Speaker:do video. And all of us at the table said, no. No. No.
Speaker:You do not have to do video. If you got the time,
Speaker:bandwidth, and budget, by all means, do it. But if you don't want to, you
Speaker:do not have to do video. So that is
Speaker:my official stance on that. I which means you're an audio only guy. And I
Speaker:am a fan of, like, hey, let's start with audio. If you're new to the
Speaker:game, let's get used to making some content. Let's get
Speaker:a a schedule going. Let's make sure we got enough gas in the tank
Speaker:and, enough of a a balance in life to make this
Speaker:work, and then do video. Because I have seen people that
Speaker:try to do both. Because when you go, oh, I'm doing a podcast. It's gonna
Speaker:be audio and video. Congratulations. You just started 2 podcasts.
Speaker:I know it's 1, but it's really 2, and it's almost
Speaker:3. Because when you start YouTube, you're learning audio,
Speaker:you're learning video, and then you're using you're learning the
Speaker:YouTube algorithm, which is just a byproduct of
Speaker:YouTube. So I love that that happened when I was hanging out with
Speaker:Mark because I was like, oh, I need to clarify this. Because, again,
Speaker:I I sound like I'm anti YouTube. The only reason I'm anti YouTube
Speaker:is because those guys are making the water very murky
Speaker:by telling people that a YouTuber is a podcast.
Speaker:And in my opinion, I still say we are all content
Speaker:creators, but that's not really a podcast. You're a YouTuber.
Speaker:And, with that, I will let that one, go by the wayside.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the
Speaker:future, I'm going to do an episode on
Speaker:Patreon alternatives. I talked about this a little while back, but
Speaker:Apple announced that, hey, starting in November,
Speaker:new people that use the Patreon app
Speaker:to start a subscription, 30% of that money
Speaker:is going to Apple and not the creator. And there's a
Speaker:button you can click in Patreon if you are a creator to say, no. No.
Speaker:No. If somebody buys in the app on iOS, just raise
Speaker:the price 30%. But there are other alternatives
Speaker:than Patreon. So I'm gonna look into that, and I know some of them might
Speaker:kinda scratch my head like Memberful. I need to investigate this because they have
Speaker:a monthly fee, and then they still take money
Speaker:from each charge. And I'm like, that sure sounds like double dipping, so I
Speaker:need to investigate that as well. But, yeah, starting in
Speaker:November, if you make a purchase in the iOS
Speaker:app, in the Patreon app, you need somehow, that
Speaker:money is going to Apple. So a lot of people not happy about
Speaker:that. Speaking of Apple, they rolled out podcasts
Speaker:with ans.apple.com. So now even people on
Speaker:Android can listen to podcasts on Apple
Speaker:Podcasts. My favorite feature of Apple
Speaker:Podcasts is the smart playlist. I love that. Every app I use has
Speaker:that feature. If it doesn't, it's not gonna be my favorite app. And right
Speaker:now, at least when I logged in, that feature isn't available
Speaker:on the web. I understand there's some other features in terms of
Speaker:making that what they call a web app on Android that's not there yet.
Speaker:So it's not a 100%. So we'll be keeping our eye on that
Speaker:as always. You can follow the show for free
Speaker:by going to school of podcasting.com/follow,
Speaker:and you'll see I've got buttons there for Apple, Spotify, Amazon,
Speaker:etcetera, and you can never miss an episode.
Speaker:Thank you so much for taking time to hang out with me.
Speaker:I will see you next week. Until then, take care.
Speaker:God bless. Class is dismissed.
Speaker:So you have your basic radio or your
Speaker:radio. Man, just that I'm so out of it.
Speaker:Seth Ressler has been on the show. I call him the Pied Piper of radio.
Speaker:He led many, many, many podcast I'm sorry, many, many radios.
Speaker:Let's do that over. And I forgot to mention that I was hanging out with
Speaker:Chris Stone and Jeff, Jeff or Jim,
Speaker:someone with a j. Oh, I gotta look this up. That's bad.
Speaker:And they were using this thing called the
Speaker:Shure I believe it's called Mobile Go. I'm looking at
Speaker:their website right now. Great show prep, Dave.
Speaker:And move mic. Oh, how how did I let's do this
Speaker:again, shall we? Take 3.
