In this episode Family Matters, Simon speaks with Dr Juliet Chevalier-Watts. Juliet is an Associate Professor of Law at the University of Waikato, and an expert in charity law. Several years ago, alongside Professor Frank Scrimgeour, they published research showing how much religious charities in New Zealand contributed - something like $6.1 billion a year. She argues this is clear evidence that the government and the public need to do more to support charities, not make things more difficult - and she stresses she is saying this as an atheist.