Episode summary introduction:

This podcast episode delves into the profound and often intricate nature of grief, emphasizing the essential truth that no individual should traverse the journey of loss in isolation. As the speakers TC, Mad Dog, and their guest Brock Adams articulate, grief manifests as a complex tapestry of emotions, including shock, denial, and eventual acceptance, with each person's experience being uniquely distinct. The discourse underscores the importance of community and support during such tumultuous times, advocating for active listening and empathetic presence as vital components of healing. Furthermore, the episode explores the significance of accepting one’s feelings and the necessity of reaching out for professional guidance when grappling with overwhelming sorrow. Ultimately, through this conversation, we are reminded of the shared human experience of loss and the importance of fostering connections that provide solace and understanding in our darkest moments.

Thought for the day:

“Patience will always be a virtue, especially when we give it to ourselves”

Topics discussed in this episode:

This journey serves as a poignant reflection on the nature of grief, illuminating the necessity of acknowledging one’s feelings and the importance of seeking help when needed. We engage in a thoughtful dialogue about the various stages of grief, emphasizing that each individual’s experience is unique and multifaceted. Our conversation is enriched by personal insights, revealing the reality of grappling with loss and the emotional rollercoaster that accompanies it. We address the societal pressures surrounding grief, advocating for a shift towards greater empathy and understanding. By sharing practical advice and strategies for coping with grief, we empower listeners to navigate their emotional journeys with resilience. The episode concludes with a commitment to fostering open discussions about grief, underscoring that while the road may be arduous, it is one that we need not face alone.

Walkabout takeaways:

1. In navigating the complexities of grief, it is crucial to recognize that each individual's experience is profoundly unique, shaped by personal history and emotional resilience.
2. The journey of grief is often marked by a multitude of emotions, including denial, anger, and eventually acceptance, requiring patience and understanding from both the grieving and their support system.
3. Support during times of loss must be tailored to the individual's needs, as some may require merely presence, while others might seek more tangible expressions of comfort and understanding.
4. Acknowledging the inevitability of loss can lead to a deeper appreciation for the relationships we cherish, urging us to express our feelings and connections more openly while we still have the opportunity.

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We thank our listeners as they tune in to the second part of our episode as TC Maddog and our special guest, Brock Adams continue to explore nature of grief and how to embrace it when faced with it in our lives. But first, as always, a thought for the day. Patience will always be a virtue, especially when we give it to ourselves.

And the final one is acceptance.

Acceptance is more about how you acknowledge the loss you have experienced, how you learn to live with them, and how you readjust your life accordingly, because life.

Does go on, unfortunately, without that person you've lost. But you have to kind of figure out a way to be able to live, quote, unquote, normally with dealing still with that loss.

So I've said this before on previous podcasts where we think we're the only ones in the world that have experienced this before. I'm just going to take that and kick it up a notch. Is that okay?

You're part of a family where there's a number of individuals that have lost that same loved one. We just talked about literally the five stages of grief and how the fact is that not one person is going to experience it the same way.

So if you're trying to support everybody that's at different stages of grief.

Yeah.

How do you do that, I wonder.

I don't think you can. I think it's just like some other stuff. You just have to be there for people. Some people need a hug.

Some people just need somebody sitting in the room with them. Some people need a shoulder, literally to cry on. So I think as long as you're there as a support, the.

How you would be used would kind of unfold as it goes. But I don't think it's a. Okay, here's my role in this and this is what I'm going to do. To your point, it's different things to different people.

So you just don't know. You just. Just being there is. Is important.

An example I would like to bring is when my wife and I first started dating, she lived in Ottawa and both of my grandparents had passed away and they were from Ottawa, but I had never. I didn't get to go to any of their funerals and. But their gravestone was in Ottawa.

So I asked my wife when, like when we literally just started dating, I said I have something I have to do and I just wonder if you'd like to come with me. And she said sure. So we went to my grandparents gravestone and she came with me and she just stood behind me.

And then, you know, when I was kneeling there, you feel she just put a hand on my shoulder. She didn't have to say a word, but that was all the support I needed from her, was just her presence there.

So it takes different shapes as to what you can do for people.

So the key to that really is that you can say so much without saying a word.

Exactly. Exactly. It's just knowing you're not alone.

Yes.

And somebody's there for you.

Yeah.

So as you go through grief, you can expect a roller coaster of intense emotions like shock, denial, anger, bargaining, sadness, depression and eventually acceptance. Often fear.

Feeling them out of order in waves or mixed with guilt, anxiety, loneliness and even relief along physical symptoms like fatigue and sleep changes as you adjust to a new reality. We've already, we've already mentioned this, but I think it's important to realize this.

It's a highly individual process, but these common feelings help you process loss and move towards healing.

Yes. I've felt all of those in the last two weeks. My dad suddenly passed away two weeks ago today.

And it has been just that rol poster of emotion that I've been on. The ride, I've been holding on and just riding it for how it was. I don't, you know, I haven't hit any real anger stages or anything.

It's just the sorrow of losing a parent. So. But you know, I have a very strong family. They've been there for me and I've been there for them because it affects all members of the family.

I have four sons and my wife and my brother. And so it's just, it's been a very challenging thing to go through. But. But again, there's been no right or wrong feels to it.

Everybody's just been there for each other and that's probably been the most important thing that's helped me through this.

So I mean that, that strong family unit then I wonder if you didn't have that strong family unit, I wouldn't.

Even want to think about it, to be honest. I need that. Like I need them just. And they, it's, you know, I was in the US on business when I got the phone call.

So I was by myself in a hotel room when I found out. And I. The only Thing I wanted to do was get home immediately.

So first thing the next morning, I was on a plane and I literally cried in the hot hotel, in the Uber, in the plane and the airport, like just, it was non stop because I'm not gonna, you know, like we just talked about before, I can't compartmentalize that and deal with it later. If I'm feeling that at that moment, I gotta deal with it. But my goal was to get home. I needed my people, I needed my family.

And when I got there, the ones that live in where we're at were there like they knew we all needed to be together. And then I had to go and see my other son and it was just. Yeah, it's, it's, it's. I just don't wish people to deal with these things on their own.

You just, you can't and it's doesn't help.

And let's be clear, if, if you find yourself in that situation, there are people you can reach out to. We'll talk a little bit more about that in a second.

But I just want to say thank you, Mad Dog, for sharing that because I know it's not easy and it will help some listeners kind of manage their own grief, I'm sure.

Yeah, I think a lot of people have an issue or a challenge with just letting the emotion go in of people. There's nothing to be embarrassed about.

It's, you know, that funny thing. You're absolutely right. And I, I have a hard time with that.

And I remember when my mom did pass away and we were just like having a, a celebration after the celebration of life as you normally do. And then. And I just was overwhelmed with emotions. And that was actually the first time since she passed that I actually shed a tear.

And my family was there, my friends were there, and they. All they did was, you know, give me a hug and, and help me through that.

Right.

So. And it wasn't really that I was embarra. It was more me being stubborn about my emotions. But I can understand how someone would be.

Yeah, yeah. I've always been okay with crying in front of my kids. Like I said, I'm a bit. I can be sensitive for important topics.

But, you know, we had a little celebration of life a couple days ago via teams just because people are so remote and whatnot. And it was just my wife and I and our four boys. And yeah, I did. I put together a slideshow of my dad and we all just cried together via teams.

Like it was just, you know, what everybody needed it, it was helpful, I think, for each of them to see that the others were feeling the same way. And, you know, then you get into some happy stories and all that sort of stuff and you do that positive reflection. But you can't ignore the sorrow.

You just can't because it's there.

It's there and I, I don't know. Could you put it in a way, say that it's, it's healthy to feel that way given, Given that loss?

Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's normal. And everybody. Yes, to different levels, but everybody feels. Everybody.

So what is the best thing we can do to help people Manage. I hate to use the word manage because the language is.

Sure, yeah.

How would we say Face Grief. Come to terms with grief. I don't know what.

Being supportive, like you said, you know, you got friends and family and, you know, I know for me personally that my family helps me a great deal, but I know I'm going to have to go and talk to a therapist at some point because it's just, you know, again, everyone, sometimes when you go through this, there's unanswered questions or whatever that might never be answered, but at least, you know, healthcare professionals can help you either provide you with different tools or methods to kind of cope with it and whatnot, because we're not experts. We don't. That's not our job. People do actually study as to how to deal with these things.

So I'm okay with going to talk to somebody just to help because it's healthy in that way.

And I always look at, you know, I'm a dad with four sons and I want to be a healthy role model for these boys, to let them know it's okay for dudes to cry and it's okay for dudes to feel and it's okay for dudes to not know all the answers to emotions. But.

Yeah, and it just, it just makes it so much worse if, if you're. That, that dude, that guy says that, that I'm. I'm not supposed to cry.

Suck it up era, which is prior to us. Yeah, for sure.

For sure. So some of the things we actually can do. Stay in touch.

So if someone is, you know, like, let's say out of town, make sure you stay in touch, check in with them, empathize, listen actively. How many times we've. Because you. The last thing you want to do is share how you feel about things.

When you're interested in learning how someone is feeling, let them take the stage.

Yeah, I had A guy who I work with who called me to express his condolences. And I thought, that's nice. I said, you know, thanks very much.

And he's like, yeah, you know, I'm just about to put my dad in a home, so I know exactly what you're going through. I'm like, that's not what I needed right now. Like, I, he was again, he's just, he's a bit of a character.

But I, I appreciated the sentiment from him reaching out. But to your point about being, you know, a listener, I was like, okay. He just kind of trumped me. Whatever.

Okay, I'm sorry about what you're going through, but, yeah, it's just.

So I'm going to stick up him just for a little, little bit because no one knows how to actually reach out and talk to someone. And there's the societal norms that says that we don't, we stay away from it and then we kind of fumble it the best way we can.

And hopefully, you know, over time that'll change. And what we need to do is accept these people's feelings, validate their feelings, affirm their strengths in common, and of course, respect privacy.

And when you say respect privacy, that doesn't mean they got to figure it out by themselves.

No, no, you'd be sensitive about some of the questions you ask or whatnot.

But I mean, how many times can you say to a person, hey, look, you know, if you want to go and talk. And what I mean by talk is that I'm a pretty good listener. So if you just need to talk, that's all I'll do because I'll listen.

Because I don't know about you, but the last thing that I want is someone give me advice about something. I have no idea what I'm going to do and I'm glad it worked for that individual.

But we've already said this is going to be a personal, personal journey that we do have to figure out ourselves. But I'm, I'm hoping with an abundance of support as we, as we take that road.

And it's one of the nice things about, you know, social media and just the Internet these days is that the ability to find resources is a lot more user friendly and at your fingertips. So don't think that you're alone at any point in this.

Okay, so here's one, and I kind of mentioned it earlier, but what if you truly get stuck in that, that grief? What's the best thing to do? And let's be honest, you might not even Realize that you're stuck there.

Yeah. My personal opinion is it might get to a point where you need to reach out for professional help because it's. Yeah.

You know, grief and depression, those are slippery slopes. That I know that for probably a good two or three days after I found out about my dad, I did not want to get out of bed, period.

Yeah.

I was just happy laying there staring into nothingness and stuff. But two days can turn into two weeks, can turn into two months, can turn into two years, and that's not good.

So I guess if you are stuck in something like that and you can't find your way out, have somebody help you if you can.

And I'll just say to the listeners that, that are either going through something like this and you realize that you're stuck, please reach out.

Or if you're a good friend or another family member, you see someone that may be stuck, truly be patient with them and help them show the way so that they understand that they, they need to reach out for sure. Closure. What the heck does that mean? Because we talk about it like, okay, so I can get closure and move on.

Yeah, it's. I think it's just an easy catchphrase to. I don't know if it's come to terms with it or whatnot, but there's never a closure.

Like if it's somebody that meant something to you, they are always going to be missed by you. My dad was two weeks ago. My mom was 25 years ago. I still miss her just as much as I am. I'm going to miss my dad. But it's not going to close.

It's not like, well, do you really want it to close? The start.

Oh, no. Like, okay, I've hit the 25 year mark. I should be over this. That's not it. No, it's more of a. Yeah, I don't know what Closure.

That's probably means different things to different people as well.

I want to bring closure to this. Yeah.

That means that the finality in my brain.

Right. Well, that doesn't work for me either.

No. No. So I, I understand the context of maybe coming to terms with.

Yes.

You know, not meaning that you understand it, but just. Okay, here's what happened. Xyz. Okay, I understand it, but it is. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna.

There's gonna be like you close on a house deal, you close it on. You know what I mean? But yes, you're not going to close on grief or how you know what somebody meant to You.

Unless closure really means that I've. I've hit the acceptance stage, that.

That could probably be a better way to look at it as acceptance versus closure.

But. But just the word closure just doesn't know. In this context. It doesn't make sense. No.

And I think, Sorry, I think maybe where that would be applicable is in your previous line of work, that if, if somebody was, you know, let's say, murdered and the person hadn't been caught, you know, there's no closure in that circle of acceptance, I guess, because there's a missing piece that. That would make sense.

That truly makes sense to me as well.

So in grief, closure isn't a sudden ending, but a gradual process of accepting a loss, finding peace and integrating it into life, allowing you to live fully without being consumed by overwhelming pain or unfinished business. Often achieved through rituals, new understanding, and finding meanings. Even though the Love and Miss person never fully disappears.

Yeah, that's a great way to sum it up.

Yes, it is. But the funny, the funny thing about that is that that loss and missing, sometimes you want it to disappear because you don't want to deal with the.

The pain hurts too much for sure.

Filled all four of my boys, you know, with Grandpa's passing, I told him, I said, it's always. You're always going to miss him and you're always going to be sad, you know, when you think about him not being here.

But pain that you're feeling in this immediate moment will subside a bit with time. Not, not that it's not important, it's just there's a rawness to when it immediately happens. And time is the only thing that mildly helps with that.

Yeah. And when you say time will help with that, that doesn't mean. Okay, like, I've been doing this for a year. I'm good to go. Let's go back to life.

Yeah, exactly.

It's like anything else. You have to pretty well take some steps, take some actions to deal with those emotions in a healthy way. Yeah.

Like, I had my team meetings last week in the US And I. If it were anything else, I wouldn't have gone.

But to be honest, I took the two days as a pleasant distraction because I, I was living in that sorrow and grief day in, day out, 24 hours a day. And I'm just like, okay, it's got nothing to do with the importance of the situation. It's just like, my goodness, I, I would.

It just needed a small change of thought process just to kind of pull myself out a bit. Not to Remove any of the importance. But I just, I didn't need a tiny bit of a break.

So is it, is it. Or you're slowing down that tsunami. You're trying to be in control of that tsunami of emotion as they wasn't even controlling it.

Cause I still went through it when I got into a hotel room by myself because, you know, when I was with people, that was a distraction. The second I got to my hotel room, it was right back in my face again. But it was just like a mild reprieve for the emotional set.

Curious thing. What is the difference between mourning versus grief? Because you often hear it. Well, people are in mourning when someone they love is passed away.

And I, I was a little bit confused about it. I mean, I do have the answer now, but it's just like it. And it's, it's helpful to know the.

Distinction if I were to take a guess, because I don't know the difference between the two. I think mourning is a period of time immediately after somebody passes to immediately remember them or reflect on their life. Whereas grief.

I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know if that. Man, you should have wrote this stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. So here it is. Right. So you're absolutely right.

And it's more to do with, with cultural customs such as rituals and ceremonies. So we're expected when someone passes to, let's say, have a funeral, have a celebration of life. That's, that's, that's the mourning that takes place.

It, it, it. So it somehow relates to grief, but maybe even just kind of a little glimpse of the.

Yeah, because grief is going to go, is going to be eternal. It's just, the level is going to change.

Yes.

But mourning, it's. Yeah, okay, good guess that.

Yeah, really good.

Yeah.

So, I mean, but, but you're, you're truly at that point paying respects to that person that, that you've lost and what they mean to you, your life and, and the other people that they've touched while they've been on this, this planet for the very, very short time they've been here. Is there anything else that you want to add to this Maddog?

Because again, this is when I thought that it was important to talk about grief on Electronic Walkabout. One of the reasons the motivation was because I am terrible at managing grief or understanding how it works.

I have a better sense of it now, but at the end of the day, it doesn't change the fact that when I go through it, it's going to hurt for sure.

For sure. And it's, you know, it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's never pleasant, but it's also part of being human. Right. Like, it.

It's never going to be a cakewalk all the way through things. And, you know, it was. It's.

It's interesting because we've had a couple of losses in our family over time, and I always call them points of correction. I don't know if that's a good way to put it, but, you know, the last time this happened, we were.

There was a lot of good things going on in our life and, you know, lots of reasons to celebrate and all that sort of stuff, but it was like, it's not always fun and it's not always happy, and sometimes the. The shoe drops and there's a reminder that life is fragile and it's not always here. So with my dad's passing, it was exactly the same thing.

And I kind of. It was one of those things. Like, it was unexpected, but, you know, we had a lot of good things.

There's, you know, positive things happening with our whole family.

And it was like, that point of correction is going to come, and it's more of a reminder, or it grounds you a little bit to realize that, you know, all these things that are going on are great, but there. If something like this happens, it trumps everything.

It does trump everything. And the interesting thing, I say interesting because I've seen it happen a couple of times where. Where you come to terms and. Wait a sec. This.

This point of correction, as you've kind of explained it, realizes that I need to look at life from a different perspective. I need to truly, let's say, hug those people I love more than.

Than I have in the past is to let them know that I truly do love them because they might not be with me tomorrow. But the. But the interesting thing is that somehow the behavior doesn't always follow that.

No, it doesn't. And.

And, you know, I mentioned this in a previous podcast when my mom was in her kind of last days, she had said to me, spent so much time planning for the future and then reminiscing about the past, I never spent enough time living in today. And after she told me that, truly, I have kind of lived my life to the fullest on a daily.

Not had stuff that I've been lamenting about or, you know, had unresolved feelings, because I literally, if things happen and I pass tomorrow, I'm okay. I've got. No. I wish I would have said this to this son. I wish I would have hugged this son more. I wish I don't have any of that.

And that is where those points of corrections can make impact on your life to make you change your ways if you truly want it to.

It's funny.

When my dad was passing, I kind of look at it from a different perspective and we talked about these, these special people in our lives that are confidant. And I realized that that confidant wasn't going to be present anymore. I had a question for him and the question was, do you have any advice for me?

Yeah.

And he was brutally honest. It was, it was sage advice. And, and the funny thing about it, I'm just starting to follow that advice now. And he passed in. I hate because I didn't.

Getting back to that wall. You're not going to change your life. But I look at things totally different. I don't know whether that comes with age and experience or.

And I've also had friends pass away too. Right. This, it's, it's a subtle reminder like. Yeah, hey, hey, hey.

So you know, it doesn't have to be immediate, but I think if, if, if those positives are taken from it and you can apply them to your life, then it, it'll happen when it happens.

Maybe we'll pick up this, this dialogue on a, on another podcast because I think it is something that. And I'll give you an example. When I was my last job, I had. They used to do these lunch and learns where they give presentations.

And one of them was on grief. And I thought, well, geez, I gotta look into this. This is really.

I've never seen such an attendance because people, people want to know and we just don't do a very good job of letting them know what grief is all about and how they move forward after that loss.

Yeah. So it just hits you in the face with a shovel and that's it. You don't know what to do with it.

Yeah. Get over. It's time to. Time to suck it up, buttercup. And yeah, you can feel those emotions, but let's say not on my time. Yeah.

So we would like to dedicate this episode to those people who are no longer with us. Wilkie, Mike, John and Maddog, of course, your dad. All these people gave so much to us and truly were gifts.

They were.

We also want to thank Brock Adams for sharing his spiritual perspective to help manage grief in our lives. Thanks Brock.

Do you have any parting thoughts with respect to the best way to move forward with grief and, and as we talked about in this podcast, it's kind of weird because the language is, how do we manage grief? Like, like it's. And, and Maddog said it in a, In a good way.

You manage a budget, you, you might manage the sale of a house, but to say you manage grief, it just doesn't. Doesn't fit well together. So.

Yeah, no, I, I hear you. I think something I do want to, I guess, mention too, is I, I'm a big fan of counseling.

And so I don't think necessarily just because someone's spiritual doesn't mean they don't need professional help as well. I think it's, It's.

It's very wise to seek out professionals who understand how the brain works and can put at maybe words and action steps to things that maybe we don't know or see. It's like a blind spot. Like, you know, that's why you shoulder check and so you don't know what you don't know.

And so I think having humans leading guidance as well is, Is. Is very helpful. And so, But I think that also with the spiritual component, is, Is also a great way to approach it.

And so to kind of answer what you're saying, I'll read another part of a passage in Psalm 23, and it's titled the Lord is my shepherd. The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul.

He leads me in the path of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I'll fear no evil, for you are with me. Iran's staff, they comfort me.

And I'll just stop right there.

See, to me, at least in my experience, I think people treat God like a genius where it's like he's got all these wishes, and then when the wishes don't get granted, it's like, okay, I'm out and I'm gonna move on. I don't think. Well, I know God's not a genie. I got. God's more of a shepherd. And so it's a hard reference for us to grasp in, you know, in the.

And so if you imagine a shepherd, he was in charge of a flock of sheep. The sheep would know his voice, they would know him. He would lead them, guide Them, he would guide them to food.

He provided them for everything they need. And he actually knew each sheep, so he had them all counted. And when one would go astray, he would find it and bring it back. He.

So the part about the rod and their staff, that's protecting, that was what shepherds used to protect them from, from wolves and from danger. And so, so in essence, it's like God is our shepherd, so he leads and guides us.

Now, it doesn't mean that there aren't predators, there aren't wolves out there. It doesn't mean there aren't cliffs that we could fall off of. But in essence, he's not a genie.

And so I think what can happen is people can get discouraged because they think, well, I wished for these things and they didn't come true. And then they feel like something's wrong. But in my opinion, another way to look at it is God signed a genie. He's a shepherd, Lord.

So he promises to lead and guide me, to be beside me, into and to help me and provide me with what I need to, to live well and to suffer well. So that way, no matter what I go through, I can be a steady person, no matter what. And, and the other thing too is life just isn't fair.

It's just not fair. And why does some person that's evil get all wealth and success and someone that's not struggle mightily? I don't know.

There are tons of examples of people who, who should have a better life but don't and who shouldn't but do. That's just the way that our world is.

And so I think when we can accept that and also accept that sometimes there isn't a greater meaning or reason, sometimes life just sucks and life is hard and it's full of tragedy and, and we just got to accept reality for what it is. I think when we do that and then decide God's a shepherd more than a genie, and he promises to be with me no matter what.

And grief is also a part of the human experience. And that's a very normal thing. And that's okay. And it's okay to feel the things that we feel and to go through all the stuff that we go through.

But God does offer us the promise to, to suffer well despite whatever we're going through. And I think that that invitation actually, I know, extends to make sense to everybody.

So for me, in regards to parting words, I think professional help is a great, is a great. As a great place to go. I also think spiritual help is A great place to go as well.

Well, thank you so much, Brock. We actually look forward to having you again on Electronic Walkabout.

Like I said, you bring something special to the episodes that we share with the listeners. So thank you so much.

You're very welcome. Thank you so much for having me. It's a privilege. All right, we'll see.

Thank you. When we lose the most important people in our lives, we enter a void. When we find ourselves there, grief takes over.

As much as it's a natural emotion, it's far from natural to deal with. It is a question of how we learn to live again so we are not lost in that void. While you run this journey, be kind to yourself and take to heart.

Take the time you need to process your grief. Look after yourself physically. Lean on your friends and family, especially with those dealing with the same loss.

I mean, and that's exactly what you said, Maddog. And. And you made it quite clear that without that, there's no way you can be them.

The stages of grief are not linear, and each of us can experience them differently and at different times. Keep this in perspective. Anything you want to add? No.

There's no set playbook for it, though. You know, you got to ride out the feels. You got to be in the moment. It's going to hurt. It's gonna suck.

It might last two days, two weeks, two months, but it's the normal part of being a human and having feels. And just. Just make sure you keep an eye on yourself and reach out for help if it gets too overwhelming or you get stuck.

There are people and resources in place to help.

Thank you, Mad Dog. I'm sure the listeners will appreciate that. Remember to take advantage of the moment before the moment takes advantage of you.

To learn more about E-Walkabout, please visit. Visit us at eWalkabout.ca.

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