This episode of Five Minute Warning delves into the complexities of enjoying art created by individuals whose personal actions may be deemed objectionable. We explore the nuanced relationship between our appreciation for certain movies, songs, or artists, and the moral implications of their creators' actions. We candidly discuss how we reconcile our enjoyment of these artistic expressions with our awareness of the troubling behavior exhibited by their creators, such as R. Kelly, Mel Gibson, and others. The conversation takes on a personal tone as we reflect on how this dilemma affects our interactions and perceptions in everyday life. Ultimately, we aim to navigate the delicate balance between enjoyment and ethics, provoking thought and discussion on what it means to support or reject art in light of its creators' controversies. A profound exploration of societal dilemmas unfurls in this episode, as we delve into the intersection of belief and action, particularly in the context of faith. The conversation navigates the complexities of being a believer while juxtaposing it with the moral obligations one has to live out those beliefs authentically. We dissect the dissonance that arises when individuals profess faith yet engage in behaviors that contradict their proclaimed values. This exchange is not merely an academic exercise; it resonates on a personal level, urging us to reflect on our own lives and the authenticity of our actions in relation to our beliefs. Throughout the dialogue, we consider whether verbal affirmations of faith are sufficient or if they must be accompanied by tangible evidence of a life lived in accordance with one's convictions. The speakers draw upon personal anecdotes and societal observations to illustrate the nuances of this discourse, fostering a rich tapestry of thought that invites listeners to engage in self-reflection.

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This week on the five minute Warning.

All day, I'm gonna be.

I'm gonna be hella ignorant.

First.

First day, ain't nobody here but me and my wife.

I'm coming downstairs ass naked.

I'm going to the refrigerator.

I'm pulling some juice out the refrigerator and drinking it straight out.

The show that gives you everything and nothing at all, that's everywhere you don't want to be.

It's Ruben, Mo B.

And on the ones and twos, AG.

The five minute warning.

Welcome, everyone, to another brand new episode of five minute Warning.

Of course, as always, it's your man Reuben in the house tonight on a nice, beautiful Sunday night that's got a whole bunch of thunderstorms coming, so hopefully it won't kick us off the air.

But if it does, we're gonna be right.

That hopefully, long as I don't lose power, be.

And of course, always with me is my cousin AG.

What's happening, y'?

All?

How you doing?

Oh, man.

Oh, before we get started, I just want to thank my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.

I did that for you, sir.

What?

You so.

You're so.

You're so.

I don't.

I'm not blaspheming, y', all, for real, because I just.

I was just doing the show and I'm catching up.

And last week before last, Reuben was very upset, very upset at the people who he thinks are faking.

And he's not wrong, so I just thought I'd throw that out at you.

It was hilarious when I listened to it.

Yeah.

Nah, because once you said I was like, yo, Yeah, I remember that.

That was funny.

I mean, look, man, I just.

There's enough blasphemy going on in this world.

People ain't gotta be out here doing it.

Because here's the thing.

If that's how you really feel.

Word.

I'm with you 100% and solid.

But then don't Be saying stuff like that, man, and then go do things like you, I don't know, steal a video game from, like, Walmart, some shit.

Like, don't get in trouble with the law, man.

Well, like, I did want to.

I did want to address that, and I. I hear what you're saying, and you're absolutely right.

In a perfect world.

But I do want to throw this out there, all right?

There is a massive difference between believing and serving God.

There are difference.

If you're serving God, all the things that you said clean themselves up quickly.

Yes.

Or over time.

Because, you know, we do get at our sinning.

We sin less.

We're much more sensitive to doing it.

We don't do it unconsciously.

We're just kind of like, oh, that's not a good idea.

I did it.

But I feel real bad for before.

If you do something, you did it, and it's like, whatever, right?

So I just want to put that out there.

There is a huge chasm between, I believe in God.

I believe he's my Lord and Savior, and serving that God.

They are vastly different.

Vastly.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't want to put that out there.

I do understand your irritation.

I do.

But, yeah, I mean, like, you know, it's just, you know.

Yeah.

That's all I'm saying.

Because your mom, my dad, they serve.

They serve the God they believe in.

Where other people, like, yeah, I went to church last week.

I believe in God.

Well, that's not really going to do.

It for you just last week, bro.

I'm just saying.

That's what I'm saying.

Some people go to the church on Easter and think they did a great thing.

And for them, they did because they actually went.

No matter how, no matter what the reasons are, they made it in the building.

That that's saying something.

And I. I got to give him something for that.

But like I said before, you know, to make a long story short, there's a difference between serving and believing.

They definitely did better than me.

So, I mean, cool by to true to judge.

What's up?

What's going on?

What's going on?

Mo, bro, your question was like a rabbit hole, bro.

I was like, there's so many people out there that I. I felt so bad about myself.

I'm so weak.

He.

Why?

I didn't even, like, limit it to, like, a certain genre.

Like, I didn't say music move.

I'm like, hey, man.

Just three things.

Just three things that, you know that the general consensus is nah.

And you just, like, I don't care.

It's mine.

Yeah.

Because I got.

I got three of them, and I got, like, 20 honorable missions, so I'm a weak person.

I will say this before we start that process.

Yeah, man, it wasn't that hard for me because a lot of my friends and family.

Y' all included that already give me for the stuff I watch and listen to.

So, like, there's no apologies from over here.

And when I say what I got to say, y' all would be like, yeah, he listens to that.

Yeah, he watches that.

You know, whatever.

Whatever.

I'm saying you should start it off then.

Like, we should.

Definitely not.

No, no, man.

What you mean you started off, man?

That's called a tease.

And I'm saying you built momentum.

So go ahead, bro.

Y.

Because I'm curious, because you're saying, like, we hate on you for doing this.

I don't think I can.

I can't even really think of one for real, other than one thing I won't name.

I'll let you name it, but there's only one thing that comes to mind that you do that could even come close to me going for real.

So.

Okay, first of all, I like to start by saying, normally, Reuben doesn't participate in online bullying, but he will take the.

He would.

He would take the grenade for this one, because we don't do that.

Online bullying Is that we're saying bullying you.

Hey, hey.

I mean, you can call it what you want to call it.

We all know I do mine last.

But you know what?

You right, though.

You right.

I was setting up a tease, but clearly, you know, hey, Reuben, this shit's for you.

So we gonna go ahead and start.

I just wanted to.

I just wanted the record to show that, you know, Reuben, I don't normally participate in the bullying, but he's gonna take one for the team.

On it, I will jump on the grenade like skinny ass Steve Rogers did in Captain America, you know, the first avenger.

So going first is taking one for the team?

No, he's saying participating at all is taking one for the team.

No, no, no, no, no.

I said going first because normally I go last.

So going first in a topic that you already set up is completely in your wheelhouse.

Is taking one for what a terrible sacrifice we're making.

You're like, you know what, man?

This is something that I'm.

I so easily could think of, and it's so in my wheelhouse.

How dare you make me go first?

And Moco Cavill is right.

I am A victim.

You are not the billion that's on this show.

You are not.

But that's okay, man.

I will jump on the grenade to start this party off.

So with all that being said,.

The.

Topic for the show today is what is a movie, a song or artist that you know is objectively terrible, but you will blast, still blast with the windows down.

Name three.

I think I got.

I think I got one that you're gonna name that I want off the top of my head.

If you don't, I'm gonna say it, and you're probably gonna be like, yeah, I can see that.

But I got one.

So I want.

Once again, I will start this off by saying this was difficult for me because I thought you said it wasn't.

No, it was difficult for me because.

To narrow it down to three.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yes.

Because, man, when it's all said and done, like, 335, 36 episodes, man, we know I'm a different cat.

And in some realms, in my life, some people are like, you know what, Reuben?

I don't know if you need to have your black card.

And I tell those people, get out my face.

I don't care what you think.

I do what I want.

So with that being said, the first thing is a movie.

It is objectively terrible.

But I watch the hell out of this because it's funny, and that's CB4.

If I flash and that shit's on television, I don't give a damn what I'm doing.

I'm watching CB4, and I'm dancing and I'm rapping.

I'm doing all that.

But objectively, that's a terrible movie.

I mean, it's entertaining.

Terrible, I guess you can say objectively is terrible.

But it's like anything that has a cult following.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't know how you can say it, because, like, objectively, people have said Harlem Nights was bad.

I don't know where that came from.

I've never heard that.

Critically, it did not get good reviews at first.

Like, you can look it up right now.

Critically, it didn't do well.

But, like, everybody, like, now we have kind of revisionist history about it where we're just like, I thought it was awesome, and I always thought it was awesome.

But critically, it did not get the best reviews.

It did not get glowing reviews.

I mean, because it's a bunch of haters.

You know, as.

As I feel that way about CB4.

Because I'm just like, yo, it was exact what it Was it.

Was.

It was supposed to be a outlandish movie with a ridiculous plot line.

Yeah.

Just for humor, but mission accomplished.

And.

And I would say.

I will say to that, as dad Mike said in the movie, we will now no longer take any questions from the white media.

Hey, man, if you can't trust, you can't.

Bro.

Stop it.

Right, Angie, I will sit down and watch this.

Y' all been mentioning this for the better part of six years.

I watch this.

You got to hear story, Ag.

Okay, I wasn't gonna bring this up, Moby, but you.

You gave me.

I did, but.

I did, But.

But you finished it, so.

Okay, Ag.

This is.

It's in the movie.

Is this.

This rap mogul, okay?

His name is Trust Us Jones.

He is clearly.

Exactly.

He is all.

He is all terrible as himself.

You can't trust me.

You can't trust us, baby.

That's.

That's.

Yep.

You can't trust me.

You can't trust us.

So Moby and I were at an event yesterday for the job, and we met.

Look, I'm minding my own goddamn business, man.

And I'm surprised it took you so long to hear, because I heard it the first time she said it, and you heard it, like, two hours later.

I'm just like.

I was tripping.

As soon as you said it, bro, I was in my zone.

That was the first time I left.

Like, I just walked out.

I'm just like, I can't do this.

I'm not here for this,.

Ag.

Like, I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, talking to people, you know, market, whatever.

I am in my right now.

I'm in my bag.

Then it gets quiet.

And then somebody.

I heard at another table.

This is.

No.

First of all, if y' all hear this story, it's no shade on y'.

All.

I'm just saying we should have made better decisions.

So somebody's talking, and they're just like, yeah, the law offices of Trust Us.

Trust Us Jones.

Trusted.

Trust.

Trust.

Is it trusted?

Yeah, it was trusted.

Yeah.

The way she was saying it did sound like she.

Like, when she first said it, she was like, they.

Because they do.

They're like a law firm.

They basically do public defense instead of, like, trusted.

Like, trusted law.

And I was just like, did she say, trust Us Law?

I did not hear trust us.

I heard Trust us.

And I looked.

I did, too.

I looked at Moby and was like, in my serious face.

Did I just hear that?

And he looks at me, yes, you did.

I can't do this no more because he was late.

You know what I'm saying?

If he'd have looked at me like that the first time, I would have lost it, but I had already kind of mentally lost it.

Walked out the room, came back, gathered myself, and had to hear her say it for, like, another hour.

And then finally he heard it.

He was like, did she.

I was like, yes, she did.

And I'm like, I was talking to somebody.

I was talking to somebody else.

And I was like, yes, yes, she did.

And I went right back to what I was talking about.

I just shook my head, and I was like, I can't do this.

Like, I wanted to walk out of.

The room, but I couldn't.

Did it cross your mind that this lady actually watched TB4?

Named them, man, I don't know.

But the problem is this law firm did just start yesterday, so I don't.

Even think it was actually a law firm.

The group does like, representation.

Like, I didn't even ask for.

I wanted to go over there so bad and get details, but I wasn't convinced that I could talk to her here.

I refused and not laugh.

There was no way.

I didn't want to, like, laugh in her face and she not understand why I'm laughing.

And then I got to explain, like, a cult reference to trust this Jones.

And then on the off chance that maybe she knew what we were talking about.

And then.

Then the joke gets to the point where I can't not laugh every time I look at it.

So I just chose the safer route.

And I was like, I'mma mind my business.

I mean, at that mom moment, I did not choose violence.

I was like, you know what?

I heard that once.

I'm just not gonna hear it no more, because once I verify with him.

That's what I heard.

I was like, I can't do this.

We're not doing that today.

Well, apparently you get paid to do it.

No.

No, we're not doing that.

Nope.

And I think I literally mentally blocked, like, anything they were saying at that table, because I couldn't.

I just couldn't.

Because when I heard it, I really wanted to start laughing, like, hysterically, but I knew that was not the place.

And I had people in front of me, and I was actually doing work.

So there are just times that you have to sit back and you just gotta eat that shit, man.

And I ate it.

But the fact that he knew what I was saying, I couldn't have conversation over there.

It won't work.

I don't.

I didn't talk to the woman all day.

I mean, she.

She didn't come to the table.

She ain't try to trade like.

I'm glad because it would have been a problem, you know?

Yeah.

So my first one is CB4.

It's a horrible ass movie.

However, it's entertaining enough, probably.

Horrible, man.

I mean, I stop and watch it.

So now this is where stuff gets put in a bucket.

Because doing one or two, three or different things, it's just unfair.

It's just unfair.

So number two is boy band music, man.

I don't know what it is.

Whether it's Backstreet or NSync or Boys to Men or New Edition or.

I'm.

I'm kind of offended that you lumped Boys to Men in that.

I mean, it is what it is, man.

I mean, you can say what you want.

They're terrible people, though.

That is their label.

I mean, they're not terrible people, man, but, like, that stuff is cool.

But, you know, driving down the street and listening to Bye bye bye out your car, I mean, that's a good song.

Good pop song, bruh.

If you listen to Boys and Men in certain parts of Not Boys and Man in sync in certain parts of Hampton, man, I might get shot.

Okay.

I didn't know it was a serious one.

Okay, but are they terrible people?

Are they, like, terrible?

It's not that they're terrible people, man.

It's just.

And I.

And see, those are the people, you know, talking about that you may not know.

Like five.

Like, I mean, LFO is in the Spotify.

It's a shaming, but it is.

Exactly.

I didn't just go on first level or even second level.

Did you say high five?

No, five.

There's a group called five?

Yeah, there is.

That's.

That's what I was trying.

I'm like, hey, look.

Because I was bumping high five the other day.

Well, once again, high five.

They're a boy band, too, but I'm not gonna do them like this.

I mean, it's not the people that.

You know.

It's like.

I think it was it West.

West something.

Not west side.

I don't know.

Some from overseas, man.

Like, everybody's got one hit.

So basically, if it's four or five young men that sound like they just went through puberty and they're singing a song that a high school girl might like back in the early 90s, you're like, I'm all for it.

I wouldn't say all that, but okay.

I mean, I don't like the way you were categorizing me like that.

But I didn't categorize you.

I asked you.

You right, man.

I'm proud of you, bro.

I'm proud of you for doing that.

I know they took a lot out of you to just say you right, but I'm proud of you.

But.

Yeah.

Nah, man, it's.

It sucks.

I don't know why I'm a fan of pop music, like popular music, I guess, or just one hit wonder music.

Because I would say in the 90s, they had this channel from Canada called Much Music.

And I would say at that.

That point in time, I was install a whole bunch of music.

Like almost like where I could get it.

Like, there's mtv, but it got to a point where MTV was playing the same goddamn videos and stuff.

And then one day on my cable channel is this joint called Much Music.

Canadian.

Like, I found some cool Canadian stuff that I listen to, like the Rascals.

I mean, nobody never heard of those, but they had like one track that was dope, you know, My music just expanded.

I would say at that point in time.

Moko Cowboy.

Natasha.

Better.

Natasha Bettyfield.

Yes.

Which goes into my third subject.

Just popular dance music, man.

I mean, Natasha Bennett feels one of those cats.

Kylie Minow.

There's another one.

Freaking.

What's.

What's the name of the.

Some Danish band, some dance.

I have to look it up real quick because that shit's a bass.

Huh?

Somebody Ace of Bass?

No.

Oh, okay.

I mean, I. I will listen to them, but they're not my Spotify, Is it Tattoo Cascada.

Evacuate the dance floor.

Like Tattoo.

I mean, they had that one song, but that's not necessarily in my shit.

But the Veronica's is, you know, any type of dance music that was cool in the late 80s, early 90s.

I'm a sucker.

Usually I had.

They really only had like one track that made it worth a damn.

So, like, you know, there's some garbage in there.

I'm only happy when it rains.

Yeah.

I would say those are the three things, man.

You know, whether I'm driving my work car or I'm driving my personal car.

I mean, I have no shame as far as some of the music that I bought for the most part.

But if I'm in an area where it may be a little questionable.

Yeah, I ain't stupid.

I just turn it down and put my window.

Oh, man.

Don't be scared, man.

Don't.

Don't be scared, man.

Shut up, man.

I don't need them throwing at my car, bro.

Don't like, they might.

They might.

They might be like, they might judge you.

I ain't going far.

They gonna be judging to you.

I mean, I don't need the judgment.

I got enough judgment in my life.

I don't need it from people I don't know like that, you know, And.

And plus, man, people be loud about what the hell you listen to.

Next thing you know, I'm getting called a cracker and I'm just like, whoa, I can listen to the.

I want to listen to.

But yes, though, as far as that type of stuff.

Yeah.

And I know, like, I know Moby kind of hates driving with me when I'm driving and I'm in control of the music.

So I am.

I am definitely sensitive to that.

See, I. I feel attacked now.

Because I. Ag, Let me tell you how it plays out.

If we on a road trip or something and this man's in control of the radio, he'll play.

He'll be playing.

I will have not said anything.

I would have not made a comment about the music.

Nothing.

I can see that this man is vibing out to whatever his soft pop music that he's playing is.

And I don't judge nothing.

I feel the judgment.

I am judging right now.

AG.

Let me tell you why, because I don't be saying nothing.

Sometimes I'll be like, damn, I ain't heard this song in a minute.

This was a catchy song.

I don't necessarily rock with it, but I am musically enough open where I can say I don't rock with something, but I ain't proactively, loudly hating on it.

This man will look at me and realize we're two minute, two, two songs into like his rabbit hole.

Oh, my bad, man.

Blah, blah.

I'm like, I said that I haven't looked a certain way.

I haven't made a comment about it.

This man is self hating himself.

Like, he is deflecting his own self hatred of this.

This music on me.

And I'm like, yo, man, man, because look, I know.

Look, because he knows when he's in the car with me, he gonna listen to some stuff that he probably don't want to hear.

And I am unapologetic about it.

I'm just like, hey, bro, it's what it is.

No, I mean, so like we're in the car and he's playing music.

You know, most of the stuff that he plays is all right, if I have a question about it, I'll ask because he, he listens to a lot more Deep south stuff, stuff than I listen to and stuff like that.

So like, for me, it's not that I don't dislike that music is A lot of it is just I have not been, I don't listen to it enough to, to sit here and feel like I know anything about it.

So I ask him questions and I do that more or less to learn about stuff.

And he has taught me a lot about Deep south music and, and not just in Atlanta, but in Texas too.

So that's awesome.

Now there are some music that we both will, It'll play and I'll be like, come on, man.

Because I know he hates that too.

And it just pops up on his stuff.

Right?

Right, Moby.

Yeah, but Angie, I ain't apologizing for it.

Look, man, I just tried to make the difference for everybody.

There'll be some stuff that he'll be like, oh man, this is awful.

And I'm just like, like, all right.

I mean, it's still playing.

You know,.

I, I actually rock with this.

You know what I'm saying?

Look, I don't mind having a conversation about something like, hey man, this is offer, but yeah, you know, I'll be objective about it.

Like, yeah, man, this dude's verse is trash, but I like to beat.

And the next dude part kind of.

Catches me cuz I asked the questions and I say, hey man.

Like for instance, we had a very good conversation about how Lil Yachty sucks.

And it was a song that he was on.

He was on too goddamn long, but everybody else was fire.

And then he had the nerve to come back around for a reach around.

What are you doing?

You up, Lil Yachty, we know you suck.

And the fact that you have made so much money and you suck is a problem that we cannot solve at this level.

Because when it's all said that our kids are broken.

Wow.

I mean, everybody caught a straight.

I mean, look, am I wrong?

Yes, yes, yes you are.

Because I'm not gonna say the kids are broken.

They like different stuff.

Because I'm sure the generation above us probably thought the same thing about some of the stuff we were listening to.

100 Yes.

So like, I, I, I've made it a point to try not to be that guy.

Like, I can be critical of something, but what I'm not gonna be like hating for the sake of hate.

That's, that's really not in my purview.

And ag, we had a really good conversation about it because he was like.

Because Lil Yachty was The first person rapping on the song.

And I.

And he was like, oh, come on.

I was like, hey, Reuben, let me tell you why I like this song.

Yep.

And I said.

I said, because Lil Yachty is so bad on it.

And then the next rapper is ASAP Rock Rocky.

And I'm just like, hey, do you realize how much different the song sounds now?

And he was like, yeah.

And I was like, yeah.

The first time I heard this song, I thought the beat changed, and it didn't.

It was just somebody who actually could rap started rapping, and it made the whole song sound different.

And this is Rihanna's Aside Rocky, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

And so he had a couple other guys.

People.

Not guys, because another lady up there.

People there.

People up there.

I was like, okay.

Next thing you know, this comes back.

Around and gets the first and last verse, which is an awful choice.

Somebody should have been like, hey, dog.

But was it his record, though?

Was it his?

It was his.

Well, there.

There you go.

He's not.

He's not gonna let.

He not.

Come on, man.

That just means some producer didn't do that job.

Now eight.

Now say if you.

If Lil Yachty was a producer, then he himself up twice, like.

And Reuben is his record.

It doesn't matter how he performed it.

It's his record.

See, you see how we're talking about differently?

I was just like.

I was just amazed at how different the track because, like you said, you're.

Being objective about it.

As soon as ASAP Rocky starts rapping, I'm like, yo, this beat is fire.

And I'm like, I didn't even realize the beat was fire until Yachty got off of it.

So basically what you're saying is this dude gave a whole different vibe to the point where the thing.

And then I was thinking, all right, maybe I'm just like an acer, but then other people and I don't like everybody.

Yeah, it was on the song, but everybody sounds great on the song but him.

I mean, they did a completely different.

Song every time he starts rapping.

They did the one change.

Literally nothing changed about the beat.

Ag.

They followed the beat drop.

It was.

It wasn't nothing.

Nothing changed.

They followed the one rule of rapping and don't up the beat.

And Lil Yachty up to.

Not once but twice.

But it's his record.

It doesn't matter.

Reuben.

I wasn't upset that he did it.

I just.

I think it's funny.

Funny?

I found the joy in it.

He said, you found the joy?

I would Be honest, man.

This is what happened to me.

You got trashed twice on your own song.

Like, you.

You.

You did that to yourself.

Yeah.

Like, I was like.

Because the song was terrible when Lil Y is on it, but it came back, and I was like, okay, this song's all right.

And then Lil Y came.

I looked at Mo B, and I was like, is that little Yachty again?

He's like, yeah.

I was like, for what?

Like, sometimes you just gotta end, man.

And it's.

That's all I'm saying.

Like, hey, man, you paid them for their features.

You did, like, 12 bars.

Like, you should have did 16.

But you said it.

I'm just gonna do 12 because I'm that guy.

And then you came back for another 12.

What do we do?

Doing.

So I'm just saying.

What are we doing?

So, A.J.

I'm just saying.

I don't ever be in this man's car or riding with this dude.

He doesn't pass a judgment about his music.

I don't.

I'm talking harshly about it now because of the way he said.

Because I never have said anything I have said.

Look, I am not the hugest pop fan.

I'm just not.

Now you not being a fan of something, is it the same as when Ruben's not a fan or something?

He feels like, most definitely he's got to trash it.

And I'm just like, no, it just ain't for me.

I'm just saying, man.

Like, I. I can say, hey, look, I. I'm clearly not the target audience for this artist.

Yeah.

Hey, look, all I got to say is, may come in different colors, but it still stink.

And so, like, there we go.

But I'm with Mo in this one.

It's fine that you feel that way, but why do you feel so guilty that you have to ap.

Apologize?

You're the.

You're the hater of all haters.

What.

What's the difference?

Yeah, I want exactly that.

You call the commanders the Redskins, and you don't care.

Why does this matter?

I mean, I. I do care about that, but that's.

You call them the Breadskins constantly.

You get really irritated when people start to.

Look, man, I'm just wondering why you care about this enough to apologize for something and no one's saying anything.

Is it an internal thing?

That's what I'm saying.

He.

He.

He.

He's putting his own judgment about himself and deflecting it on me when I haven't done anything.

I'm not even paying attention to the Music.

And he's like, oh, my bad.

I'm like, how is that for what?

Yeah, how is it your bad?

It's your radio.

You the one driving.

I understand, man, but, you know, I'm the type of dude.

Look, it's trauma.

I'm.

I'm.

It's trauma, man.

I'm not over here trying to act like I'm the authoritarian on your black car.

Like, I'm not just like, hey, man, this is the third white pop band we've heard.

Let me.

I've never.

I've never told this story on the show, okay?

It's trauma.

So long time ago, back in the day, you know, there, I. I would go on trips with work people, and instead of flying places, we would drive.

We go out a week early or say a week later, and we would drive there.

Right?

And so we sightseeing, all that shit.

Like, I've been all the way up to North Dakota.

I've been all the way to Jackson Hole.

Wy.

You know, I've always.

I've been to Utah, all that shit.

This one time I'm.

I'm not driving and it's nighttime and I.

It's my time to be the front seat person.

Look, man, everybody ain't cool.

I'm just gonna put it like that.

People.

Some people who drive are cool.

Some people wait.

And me and this person, we were like opposites, like, all the way around.

And when I tell you I had to be the front seat rider for like three hours, and of course the driver gets the radio.

That's fair.

Because of that needs to be in full control of what they like so they can stay awake.

You don't kill us.

I'm fine with that.

However, three hours of bluegrass is not fair.

Now, the other part about that is that's.

I mean, really up.

So we.

We got to where we were going.

And like, at that point in time, man, the only thing I had.

I think I had like a Walkman or something that died.

Look, and I'm not talking about bluegrass you see in videos.

Nah, man, I'm talking about that West Virginia bluegrass.

There's a difference.

The on TV is not.

That's the only bluegrass music.

Yeah, I thought it was all built on the same four or five instruments to start with.

So what am I talking about?

What kind of bluegrass is he playing?

I don't know what she was playing.

Oh, she.

I'm sorry.

What kind of bluegrass was she playing?

That's different.

And it was terrible.

That's all.

I. I mean, it was Just bad music.

Like, we were.

Once again, when I said we were different people, we were different people.

And it's just like, so, yes, I do have a. I do have a.

So you think when you're listening to something that's questionable, you're getting judged the same way you judged her?

No, I. I have a thing with.

Regardless of.

Of, like, if somebody's riding with me, I want them to feel comfortable in what we're listening to.

Right.

Like, when my parents.

If I can take my parents somewhere, I put on the Motown Spotify playlist because they're not gonna listen to.

I listen to that ain't happening because there are so many F bombs and stuff in that.

And my mom usually rides shotgun.

Like, I want to make a day in one drive.

Peace.

Where did the trauma come in, though, that you had to be subjected to bluegrass for three hours?

Or.

Or the fact that she didn't.

You thought she should have been a little bit more considerate of you and been like.

It wasn't.

It was.

The biggest issue was I had no escape.

And it was night time.

I couldn't go to sleep because.

Because I would have just went to sleep, but I'm.

I'm the second person, so I can't go to sleep.

And I'm.

You know.

Know, we kind of try to make each other stay awake.

And, I mean, once again, we weren't really, like, friends, so it was just.

It was difficult all the way around.

And Moco Cowboy.

Yes.

This was.

This is like 19, maybe 99.

Oh, it was straight CDs then.

Yeah, well.

Well, it was more or less.

Did I have a. I had an MP3 player.

Okay.

I remember my MP3 player died, so I couldn't listen to that.

I had to listen like, oh, my God.

Like.

And I mean, come on, man.

Like, let's be real.

I mean, there's Hoodie and the Blowfish, and there's that.

They're two different genres, man.

Two different genres, baby.

I. I understand that, but, like, I. I don't know any black people who play bluegrass.

I'm not saying that.

None that exist, but, like, you're right.

There's very few.

But what I'm saying is, I'm trying to figure out.

It's like, do you think that she should have cut you some slack to make you feel a little bit more comfortable?

No, it was just me feeling powerless, that I couldn't listen to anything else because what I'm gonna do.

Hey, I don't wanna really listen to this, you know, And I know, you're the driver.

Let's see if we.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, yo, she was enjoying herself, so.

And I was not.

And, you know, and I feel like there are times where, you know, our Lord and Savior puts you in positions where, hey, man, you did some wrong the other day.

This is your penance.

So you listen to bluegrass for three hours as penance for something you did.

Clearly, that's the way I felt about.

About it.

And I just ate that, man.

It's just sometimes, man, you just gotta eat it, man.

And I mean, I was a much nicer person on.

On the rest of it, but, like, yo, nah, man, that was.

It was.

It was, you know, and that's all I'm saying, man.

So, yes, I am a little bit more apologetic with people who ride with me because when it's all said and done, like, like, I don't ne.

I want us all to have a.

A decent ride, I guess.

Like, if I.

If I was a.

If I was a person who did, like, ride share, you know, I would not play my playlist.

I would probably play something.

I would just probably play the radio.

Like, one of what.

I don't know if I pay one over three jams, but I just play the radio, you know, because at the very least, I want.

I want the people to.

To at least kind of.

Well, you know, they're not trying to push whatever on me or anything like that.

And honestly, if we can't talk, then I just don't want you to be like, oh, my God, your media selections are terrible.

I don't know.

That's.

It's more for me than anything else, man.

I just.

Just I.

You know, I'm a giving person, so when people ride with me, I'm not depending on who it is.

Like, if I know them and I know they roll a certain way, I would even change my Spotify.

Like, I've done it with mo bees in the car.

I would change my Spotify to hip hop because I'm not going to subject him to some of the.

That's on my.

Stop.

Stop.

Can you really call it that?

Like you enjoy it?

Oh, some of that.

No, man, I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying that.

But let's be real, man.

We all got some just like we were talking about.

That is almost like for your ears only.

But I mean, it's all relative.

You can't just disparage it like that, though.

It's just like if I play something that maybe y'.

All don't like it's still good to me.

Well, yeah, I don't.

I'm like.

I guess harsh words is why I'm like, okay, what?

What?

I don't understand you.

You're being critical of something that nobody else is being critical of.

Like, you're like, my.

My playlist that I enjoy sucks.

Like, that's.

That doesn't make sense.

It doesn't.

Well, once again, I think like AG said, it doesn't suck for me.

However, you know, in the.

The normal realm of people, it may not be more of a favoritism.

So I just like to have at least.

Hey, man, if you want to ride with me, I want you to be comfortable to a point where.

Cuz I don't mind listening to hip hop all day.

I don't have an issue with it at all.

I don't mind listening to rock all day.

I don't mind listening to, you know, to pop music all day, you know.

However, we not going to listen to Mary J. Blige.

All they all that, like, I got limits.

Like, you know, but you know, like.

Yeah, it's just.

So your limits are Mary J. Blige and Blue Grand Grass.

That's.

That.

Those are your lines.

I mean, I don't like opera music.

I think that's fair.

Like, you know, I mean, especially.

Look, man, cuz, we've talked about this before, man.

I mean, Mary J.

Blast sings probably about the most drama ever.

And to have a song called no More Drama is like, what we doing?

Like,.

Let's be real, man.

You made your money on drama.

She's not the first artist to lie in a song.

I mean.

No, she's not.

Brian McKnight's first song was.

Oh, that's it.

And that guy too, man.

That guy.

That guy's an.

Like, you know, it's.

Yeah, it's.

It's stuff like that, man.

You know, like.

I mean, I like Teddy Pendergrass, but I can't really listen to it because I know he found a way to beat some chick up while he was in a wheelchair.

Like, what we doing?

Like what we doing, man?

I just.

Yeah, let me see.

Moco Cowboy said, what would be worse?

Bluegrass or right wing talk radio?

I didn't realize they were different.

They are vastly different, sir.

I mean, it's both like, I'm.

Hey, A.G. i hate to agree with Reuben on this.

I'm gonna say it just sounds like one has instruments in the background.

Yeah, like what we acapella.

You know what I'm Saying it's bluegrass and acapella blue grass.

Because, look, man, I can only take Scott maybe a couple times a week, man.

Who?

Scott and.

I can only talk.

I can only take him a couple times a week.

Hell, no.

Not while I'm driving somewhere.

No, no.

I'll jump out the window if somebody else's vehicle.

We're not doing that.

Like, straight up, man.

We not do that.

I. I just hate to agree with Ruby on this, but when he says, what's the difference?

I'm just like, you got, man.

Man, I just, like, lyrically, musically, they're not the same.

But I hear what you're saying.

You're not.

I'm just saying I kind of hear the same.

Look, I can acknowledge that they're not the same.

Yeah.

I'm just saying I kind of feel the same way.

Yes, I understand.

They invoke the same emotion from me.

Yes.

100% Agree.

Yes, sir.

That's like asking me, do I want to get shot with a.38 or.45.

I'm getting shot.

Like, what?

I don't.

I don't understand.

Like, I'm not going to make it, probably.

So, like, I promise you, people who have been shot by either know that there's a difference, and they probably do have a preference.

Well, yeah, but let's not do that.

That's all I'm saying.

Let's not do that.

So, yeah, I mean.

I mean, I give mogul cowboy credit, man, some good questions, but, yeah, man.

That's all right.

Ag.

I know you said you had to dwindle yours down, so.

Well, I'm answering the question in a pure way based on what you wrote.

Okay.

All of mine are based on things that I still rock with.

That.

That people that produce these things or services are awful people.

So the first one was Bill Cosby.

I love everything he's done on television.

And, you know, all those comedy specials, if they're on, I'll sit to next watch it.

I realize what he's allegedly done.

I realized that, and it makes me less of a person that I still rock with this dude, knowing what he did to these women.

But when the Cosby show was on, man, it's like, yo, ain't nothing funnier than show me a little leg and take it back.

That ain't nothing funnier than Dr. Crushing Middle Linebacker.

They ain't nothing funnier than the wretched.

It's not.

But I realized that I'm supporting somebody who has allegedly done some awful things to women and been a creeper.

It is what it is.

The second one is something near and dear to my heart personally because I was an employee.

Was Henry Ford.

Henry Ford was an awful individual.

The things that he did when unions came along, the things he did to people, the way he treated people.

He was, he was a staunch racist.

He was like racist, like extra racist.

It's not.

You got racist.

You know, you can say, well the time in which these people were born, I totally get it.

But then you have people that are extra.

Henry Ford was one of them people, man.

And plus he had a lot of power and money.

It was ridiculous.

So he was a terrible person.

He did a great thing for the automotive industry that led to the interstates that we have now that led to paved roads.

If it weren't for him and him trying to sell a car.

The road services and road works that we have now with not be what it is.

Single handedly he did this.

So I'm like, okay, but does it excuse him being who he was?

And should I ever buy a Ford again?

And I feel bad.

The Mustang's nice.

If I had 50 grand I'd probably buy one.

But it's like this dude don't even.

I mean you, he ain't good enough to cut his grass.

Like he don't.

I mean you're less than three fifths, whatever three fifths is, you know.

But I tend to separate the two.

Thomas Jefferson, he another one like this is the dude that actually wrote the words in which we argue.

Everything he did before and after the fact, which is all men are created equal.

While he had 200 slaves.

I root for Virginia sometimes when they won a national championship in basketball.

I rooted for him.

I'm like, like can't separate it.

You should.

I don't think any black people should go there.

But I mean cuz you basically going to a plantation for real.

But either way.

So this is this kind of thing and it's just like, you know, in my.

What is.

Oh, am I. I know I. I had three.

But my honorable mention has to be Eric Clapton.

Eric Clapton also represents rock and roll as a whole because most of the.

Most of the bands and artists that I really enjoy are racist individuals.

And you know, I remember like the time period like 10 or 15 years ago, it dawned on me because I was.

The funny thing was the reason why it dawned on me is because.

Because I was watching something on Jon Bon Jovi at the time and he is a staunch Democrat.

This is the first time he had.

Well, I shouldn't say that this is the handful of times, the first time that he had Barack Obama at his house for fundraising purposes, and it was just like, okay.

So basically what I learned that day, in that moment was it's like two people in rock and roll I can vouch for were, hands down, everybody else at the clan meet.

Actually, it's three.

Tommy Lee came out one time and said some stuff I didn't see coming, and I was like, oh, I didn't know you rock like that.

Well, apparently he does.

So it's three.

Jon Bon Jovi, Tommy Lee from Motley Crue, and Bruce Springsteen.

I'm not a real big.

I'm not a real big Bruce Springsteen fan, but politically and what he stands for and all that.

Clarence Clemens was not his one black friend.

They just happened to be in the same band and best friends.

That's not how he roll.

He was he real.

So it's just like three.

Three dudes.

Everybody else is suspect.

And for me, that's traumatic because I'm a huge rock and roll fan.

And to understand that these people that you look up to or you admire in some way, you have to try to split that for the artist and what they do.

But sometimes as an artist, it's hard to.

It's so personal.

You have to lump them in together.

So I'm like, because Eric Clapton out there stealing music and the music industry's allowing them to do it, not paying black people and not even really understanding Rolling Stones the same way.

Brown Sugar, bruh.

If you've ever heard lyrics, you already.

Know they still play that song and they triple down.

And, like, if you even look at our.

We gonna ruin your career.

Well, it's not no secret.

So I'm just letting you know.

Rolling Stone.

And I'm telling you, because I didn't really understand the lyrics because I could really.

I could barely really understand them.

Like, when I listened to it, I didn't really understand what was being said.

But when I read the lyrics, I was like, y' all dirty.

That's just foul.

So.

And I have others on the list.

And it's just like, I have done a terrible job.

My wife has done a terrible job.

She can't stand Jeff Bezos.

We get Amazon.

We get, like, between three and 10Amazon packages a week.

What are you doing with that?

I mean, she boycott Target, but it's like, we still rocking with Amazon.

I mean, it's like, bruh, when this question came up, I felt like a little peon.

Like that, because I have no discipline.

But at the same Time.

In my defense, the whole world doesn't like me.

There's no Safe Place place.

But I'm busy giving these people all my money, directly or indirectly.

Giving me them, my time, directly or indirectly.

So again, like I said, the moment when we first started, that question was deep, cuz.

I'm like, bruh, what am I doing?

So those are the ones, Those are the four that, you know, jumped off the page when I looked back at the list after I was finished writing it.

But it's a lot of stuff, man.

It's a lot of different people.

I mean, Michael Jackson made the list.

Depending on what you believe, if this happens to be true, then, man, I listened to off the Wall front to back, like two weeks ago.

That's a great record.

But it's, it's an amazing album and, and I still contend it's better than Thriller.

I understand, totally understand that.

And then you listen to the one that's got black and white on it.

It's like, who is this motherfucker?

All thing I'm saying is it's hard to separate the person and the.

And what they produced.

Boycott that and then have anything.

You'd be sitting around doing nothing.

Because again, if you like to read, half the people wrote these, they don't like you or they've done something awful, or they beat somebody that might look like your mama.

You know what I'm saying?

It's just like when you beat women, I mean, if you've had a mom, it's like, yeah, that could have been your mom.

And you still rocking with this person.

So that's my list.

Those are the four.

Great question, but it did not make me feel good about me just saying.

Because if you, if you out here boycotting one, why are you not boycotting the others?

Just one lie.

Now I understand the whole Target issue.

I'm not.

I should.

That's a really bad example.

Target was a betrayal.

I get that.

But all the rest of it, bruh.

So that was my list.

Great question, Target.

I mean, I update me.

Is that still going on?

We still boycotting?

Well, it depends.

Because if you're following the pastor that got all this started publicly, I think he got paid off, cuz he was like, okay, this is over.

No, it's not.

Who said that?

Yes, but some people, some people followed him.

Some people were going by, you know, the civil rights part of it all, and they won't step in, they won't step inside of Target.

So it all depends on what you.

Because the bottom line is, man, Look, Target serves a market, and that market is big.

It's not as big as Walmart, but people that like Walmart, Walmart, they ain't looking to those people.

They, they're looking at people that want a decent value and they want a little bit of bougie.

That.

That's who Target serves.

And so the idea that they felt like they needed to, to do what they did was stupid to start with, but that's what happened.

But at the same time, it's just like at some point, people just like, they ain't trying to stand on business.

It's like, man, I can't Target.

You got it for cheap.

I'm going to Target, man.

And it is what it is.

So I don't know what to say.

Yo, KO killed me right there, man.

So ain't nobody bumped that Ignition remix in the last five years.

Man, you tripping.

I, I think I, I think that thing played in my Spotify a couple weeks ago, and I did not turn.

Because you know what, man?

Look, man, what you're not going to do is, is you are not going to make me feel guilty about enjoying music that I, I had nothing to do with what he was going on.

That music is about me.

You know what I'm saying?

It's about how I felt when that song came out.

At the moment, it's about where, where the music takes me.

It don't.

It don't take me into no room with some dude pissing on somebody.

I don't.

That's not where it takes me.

If it takes you there, I'm sorry.

So actually, I'm glad you brought that up.

So in your opinion, how should we go about this?

In your opinion?

I don't, because sometimes you'll.

I don't necessarily have an opinion because I'm like, yo, man, if you're like, yo, I don't want to support him because of how he.

He moves.

I don't have a problem with that stance.

If you're like, yo, man, that's my jam.

You know what I'm saying?

So I'm gonna play my jam.

I don't have a problem with, with that.

What I do have a problem with is when people are like, oh, so if you play his music, you support what he did?

No, no, no.

Two different things, man.

Now, look, if you're like, hey, like, I, I've heard some.

I think somebody said it.

I can't remember who it was, but I, I really love the way he put it.

He was like, look, man, supporting R Kelly is problematic now.

But I'm not going to go back in time and pretend that I didn't like those songs.

Songs back then because I liked him back then.

I still like them now.

Now if he drops something new, I am not going to support it.

And I'm like, yo, that's fair.

If R. Kelly comes out with a jam right now, I'd be like, hey, man, I passed.

I passed.

I'm good.

I'm good.

You know, I think.

And then.

And plus, R. Kelly's a difficult one, ag.

Because when people are like, yo, man, I can't bump any R. Kelly.

And I'm gonna tell you why it's difficult.

Like, I'm not gonna bump any R. Kelly.

Yeah.

So it's like, yo, what, you just.

You just gonna eliminate 15 years of music?

I mean, that's what you have to do.

Yeah.

Like, I mean, I. I'm not gonna lie.

I.

With some of it.

Like, she got that vibe, you know, that apart when he says Aaliyah, I'm.

I'm a little.

Whatever about that.

But, I mean, I'm not gonna change the channel.

I. I can admit there's certain songs.

Yeah.

Have a problem listening to now.

Like, AJ Nothing but a number.

Can't do it.

I can't do it now.

Can't do it.

Like, here's the thing.

I can't even listen to.

I don't see nothing wrong.

Cuz I'm just like.

But I do see something wrong.

Especially now that I know.

Now that I have an idea of what this song was about, that totally has changed it for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's some songs like, hey, man, feeling on your booty.

Look, man, that is a funny club track.

I don't care.

I listen to it today.

It just is what it is, man.

But, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna act like, some of the music.

Yeah.

Does it, like, make me cringe a little bit.

But look, some of them jams are still jams.

Like, look, man, I don't care what nobody says.

I Believe I Can fly is such a great song that, like, if it comes on, I ain't thinking about none of that R. Kelly scandal.

I'm just like, hey, bro, like, when you.

When you make a hit, you make a hit.

But, like, I mean, you did the damn thing.

Yeah, definitely, man.

But, yeah, like, I mean, you know, like step to the name of love.

Man, I ain't thinking about him.

No to however, I would say I.

Can't vibe with that.

We did it for love.

And the reason I can't is because like, now I feel like you insulting me, you know what I'm saying?

Because I know what you was doing.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, yo, I get it.

You got associated with a whole bunch of little girls.

Now you trying to make grown up adult music to distract me.

And I'm not falling for the ok, though.

You're not about to hit me with.

The banana in the tailpipe, you know, in song form.

I'm not doing it.

And I mean any song where he mentions himself as a piper, I ain't with it.

Like, I can't do it.

That is problematic.

Too lazy.

Yeah, like.

But see, that's the thing.

It's like, aren't we picking and choosing right now though?

Absolutely.

Picking and choosing.

I will.

I have no problem saying that.

Here's the thing, ag.

If other people don't have a problem with it, I don't look at them and be like, it's like, I don't associate somebody listening to R. Kelly and go, oh, oh, so you're for this?

Like, no, man, you, you, you bumping a.

A banger ass track because everybody else was bumping it at one point in time too.

Yeah, like Kako said, some of the R. Kelly songs have serious ick factor now.

Yeah, those are.

That's the thing.

Like now I be like.

And sometimes I can be listening to the song, cuz I'm just like.

As soon as it comes on, I'm like, I just go back to time and time, time, it makes me feel a certain way and I'm bumping to it and then like I say the words and I be like, oh, no, no, we good on that.

We good on that.

Like, I mean even, even summer bunnies, man, sometimes it catches me off guard.

But like, like you said, man, if I'm like summer bunnies drive me crazy and I'm thinking, oh man, God damn it.

But the melody got you though.

It does, man, but you dig, you'd be thinking of which summer bunnies driving him crazy.

But it like 12 play.

I listen to that because he don't say it, but that don't mean it's not about 12 year old.

That's all I'm saying.

Like it's.

They're questionable shits here and.

But I mean some of the man, it's just what it is what it is, man.

You listen to it.

It is and it's.

It just is what it is.

I unfortunately or fortunately I am able to separate art from person like I usually am.

Sometimes I can't.

And here's the thing.

I'm like, if you can't do it, that's cool.

But don't go placing your inability to do it and pass judgment on the person who can.

Yeah, I ain't got no issues.

And what I don't want to listen to.

Like I said somebody.

If somebody was like, yo man, I'm really trying to hear that new R. Kelly that's about to come out next week.

Hell no.

Hey man, you're on your own on that, buddy.

I'm good on that.

I'm good on that.

Because at this point in time it's not separating the art from the person because I'm fully aware of who the person is.

Yeah.

I mean let's be real man.

Man.

And.

And R. Kelly is such a.

A polarizing person.

But that's what we're talking about though.

Yeah.

But he threw the in our face.

All of them did.

Really?

I got say most of them kind of do.