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If you've ever decided to change your
diet to better support your digestion,
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:but struggle to stick to this new way
of eating, then this episode is for you.
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:There are lots of reasons why we
struggle to make changes to our diet.
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:Could be down to time, lack of
clarity on your goals, or just feeling
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:really confused about what to eat.
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:But the other area I'm going to cover
today is our attitudes to food, and
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:how our childhood experiences of eating
can influence what we do as an adult.
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:This week I'm going to talk about how
meanings are linked to foods, and how
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:this can play a part in how challenging
we find it to follow a new diet.
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:And
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:welcome to episode 53 of the
Inside Knowledge podcast for
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:people with IBS, I'm Anna Mapson.
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:In my work as an IBS nutritionist, I
work with people all over the world who
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:have all different kinds of relationships
to food I find it so interesting.
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:The things that we think are
completely normal and just, this is
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:how I've always done it, could be
completely alien to somebody else.
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:And once you get into understanding
a little bit more about how people
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:come up with these habits, ideas
and attitudes about food and feeding
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:ourselves, Then we can sort of dig a
little bit deeper and see whether it
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:is linked to how they've grown up.
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:Is it linked to bad experiences?
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:All of these things help
shape our food landscape.
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:The reason I wanted to run this episode
of the podcast about this topic is
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:to try and reassure you really that
sometimes It's not just that you
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:haven't understood a topic properly.
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:So, for example, if you've got IBS, maybe
you've tried to do the low FODMAP diet.
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:In this case, it's quite a tricky
diet to follow, it's a little bit
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:unintuitive in terms of understanding
what to eat, but it's not necessarily
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:down to how clever you are and
whether you've understood it or not.
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:sometimes, it's down to our emotional
connections to food and changing
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:things about the way that we eat.
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:It can feel so much more difficult
than just following the instructions.
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:Logically, you understand them, you
know them, and yet at the time how
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:to make the change and how to make
it stick feels very difficult.
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:So this week it's a bit more of
a loose format for this episode I
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:suppose, just me talking really.
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:But I do have a couple of tips at
the end and some things that you can
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:focus on if you want to give this bit
of exploration a go in your own life.
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:Once we know what habits we actually
have, or what attitudes we actually
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:have towards food, we become aware
of them, then we can think about,
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:okay, well, where did this come from?
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:Why do I have this attitude
about the way I eat?
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:And then you can start to think
about how to change that in order
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:to make life easier for yourself.
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:Maybe there's this sort of overriding
Need to be more healthy and yet
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:the healthy food that you Desire in
your mind to be a healthy person is
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:Upsetting your stomach and that can
feel really challenging It's like you
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:want to be eating lots of vegetables
and lentils and whole grains But those
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:are the foods that upset your tummy.
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:And so there's this Cognitive dissonance,
I think it's called, where you have
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:a set of beliefs or attitudes, but
your actions don't line up with them.
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:So you believe that you are a healthy
person, you've always eaten healthily, and
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:yet now you cannot eat in that way, and
it feels really emotionally challenging.
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:And I know a lot of people I work with
have this really difficult set of beliefs
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:thoughts and you go round and round in
circles just thinking I want to be this
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:healthy person because you know that
you maybe have done it in the past.
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:That can be quite common.
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:Or the other side of a lot of people I
work with is this kind of thinking well
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:I don't really want to follow a diet.
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:I don't want someone
to tell me what to do.
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:I don't want to be beholden
to a set of rules about food.
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:And, these rules, they're not
rules that someone's just put in
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:arbitrarily about what's a good diet.
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:It's based on like scientific biology
around how things are digested.
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:And yet when you look at it, this
is, there is a set of rules and
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:that can also feel very challenging.
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:If you're someone who Has always in
the past really enjoyed eating and
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:been a real foodie and now you've got
to follow all these boring rules and
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:all the food you love, you can't eat.
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:It's very individual and it's
very personal how all these
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:Associations with food come about.
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:A lot of it is from our childhood and
thinking back to how we were brought up
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:around food can be quite transformative.
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:If you think about how babies are
fed, there's a real element of food
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:being wrapped up with love as well.
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:So with breastfeeding, like the
mother is literally feeding the baby
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:and passing through a lot of those
oxytocin hormones, which are relaxing.
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:It's like the love hormone passing
from a mother's breast into the baby.
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:And there's a real sense of connection
through feeding a baby as well.
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:You're holding them in your
arms, you're looking them in
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:the eye, you're gazing at them.
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:That is basically One of the first
experiences that we have as a newborn is
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:the love and the food coming together.
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:And, um, It's no wonder that we
have a complex set of emotions
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:about that as well depending on your
relationship with your mother and
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:general family life in the early days.
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:I know I just mentioned, breastfeeding,
but obviously You can still get that
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:connection through bottle feeding.
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:I just meant that that's originally how
humans started being reliant on a parent.
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:Obviously nowadays we do have the option
for bottle feeding and I used to teach,
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:uh, before I was doing, this job I used to
teach baby massage and teach baby weaning.
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:So I did a lot of work with mums
and newborns and spent a lot of
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:time thinking about how we can set
up a good healthy relationship with
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:food and trying to support people
to do that in their own families.
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:I think the reason I'm quite passionate
about it as well is because we tend to
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:eat The way that we've been brought up.
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:We tend to eat what we're familiar
with, what we know about, and it's
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:important, if we can, to try and
create a good healthy environment for
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:children to eat from the beginning.
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:So, thinking back to your childhood,
maybe just thinking about how you
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:were brought up around food, were
your family mealtimes enjoyable?
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:Were you forced to sit at the table
till you could finish everything there?
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:Did you have to finish your broccoli
before you were allowed pudding?
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:Did you actually hate
the food that you had?
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:You know, what was the
vibe around the table?
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:Did you have chats about
what was going on at school?
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:Or did children have to eat first
and the parents ate later and you
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:didn't actually have family mealtimes?
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:Sometimes people ate their meals
on their laps, watching telly.
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:And again, that can be a good social.
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:There's no judgement in all of this,
I'm just asking you to think about
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:how you were brought up, and how that
might have shaped how you feel about
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:food generally and eating today.
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:Maybe also you had other people in the
house who had health conditions, either
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:food allergies or celiac disease, And
there could have been a sense of fear of
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:food, of contamination, that we had to
be really super careful about food, and
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:obviously that was to meet another family
member's health conditions, but perhaps
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:that's also influenced your feelings about
food, and a cautiousness and a kind of
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:health anxiety that could run beneath what
you're feeling now about your digestion.
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:People who have IBS can often feel
this, what you're eating is bad for
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:you and is damaging you somehow.
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:And particularly for people who have small
intestinal bacterial overgrowth, there's
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:this real sense that food is something.
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:can make things worse, so
of course, you're going to
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:have some worry about that.
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:And it's like fueling your
attitude that certain foods are
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:good for you or bad for you.
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:And actually just even me using those
words, good for you, bad for you,
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:leads me onto the next area that I
wanted to talk about, which is really
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:around clean eating the thoughts that
often are influenced by social media
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:making food out to be, more moralistic,
I suppose, than it actually is.
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:I know I've talked about this a few
times on the podcast before, but people
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:calling food toxic or inflammatories
or using words like nasties around
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:food, and it's just not actually
very helpful for our attitude towards
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:eating and to fueling ourselves.
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:But that is a big influence as well
over our relationship with food is
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:what we're consuming mentally online?
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:What social media accounts are
you following that are shaping
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:your attitudes towards eating?
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:One of my clients a few years ago said he
really wished that food was not wrapped
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:up with all social occasions because
it was putting him off socializing.
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:And if you think about it, quite often
when we invite people over, we'll make
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:dinner for them, or you go out for
a meal, or even just go for drinks
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:and then food might be available.
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:Food is often part of our celebrations.
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:I have clients for whom this is a
really big part of why they want to
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:work on their digestion and get better.
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:Because it's affecting their social life.
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:So when.
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:You can't join in with everyone else.
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:It does feel really difficult, and
it can feel more emotional than the
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:logistics of actually bringing your
own food and getting out and eating
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:it at the same time as everybody else
because it's about joining in, feeling
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:part of the the social event, maybe
the family birthday party, whatever.
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:If you have that gap between you
and them, and of course, there's the
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:social embarrassment of explaining
it's to do with your IBS, or this
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:is the reason you can't join in, you
know, it feels like you're putting
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:a barrier in place when you do that.
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:Sometimes, not everybody will feel
this, but I know people I work with
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:feel like they're being awkward by
bringing their own food or suggesting
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:that they go to certain restaurants
because it better suits them.
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:And I suppose I just wanted to just
highlight it really, not to say whether
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:it's good or bad or whether you should
or shouldn't feel like that, but just
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:acknowledging it sometimes can almost
think, Oh, that's why I'm feeling so
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:wrapped up about this food changes is
because I'm putting some pressure on,
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:or I'm trying to change the social norms
within my family or my friendship groups.
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:So a couple of the sort of situations
that I was going to talk about as well,
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:thinking about how we grew up around food.
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:I've had a client recently
that grew up in a very healthy
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:household with limited chocolates
or biscuits, crisps in the house.
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:They were really, really healthy and
it was always vegetables, you know,
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:healthy snacks, hummus and raw carrots
and that sort of thing after school.
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:And then he became a student, went off on
his own to live on his own and suddenly
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:had a bit of money to feed himself.
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:No parental instructions.
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:And he kind of lived off
fast food, McDonald's.
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:He also really didn't eat what
I would consider enough food.
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:So we talked about, you know, how to
increase up his food, but the key.
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:The thing I want to mention is this sense
of control, like this sense of, there's
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:certain foods that you're not allowed,
just really backfired because as he got to
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:his own place to live and his own money,
he just wanted to eat all the foods.
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:He wasn't ever allowed growing up, it
was kind of rebelling against that.
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:So for you, like, is there a sense
that you, don't want to eat lots of
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:vegetables and things because you were
forced to eat so many as a child and
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:you're kind of rebelling against it or
somewhere in your head it feels that
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:you're conforming to other pressures
that perhaps your family put upon you
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:and you, you want to be your own person.
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:But eating that way doesn't
necessarily mean that you're all alone.
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:following your family's guidance.
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:The general healthy guidance
about eating vegetables.
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:It is important.
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:However, it's trying to unpick
like, where's my resistance to
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:that sense of eating healthy?
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:Is it coming from wanting to be
different from my parents, wanting
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:to rebel, or is it something else?
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:Another example of somebody I've
worked with who had parents who very
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:much controlled their intake of food.
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:They were just very controlling and
always would not put out enough food.
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:So she ended up eating very, very fast.
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:Having this thought at the back of her
head that she needed to stuff down the
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:food as quickly as possible because
it was often taken away or not enough
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:food was given as she was growing up.
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:This can also be a problem for people
who have had food insecurity, so
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:maybe you haven't had enough money
to have sufficient food on your plate
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:on a regular basis, and there's that
insecurity of knowing where your next
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:meal will come from, or whether you
will have a proper dinner this week.
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:So, In those senses, either whether
someone is overly controlling your
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:food, or whether you don't have enough
money for the food, that can also lead
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:to different approaches to eating.
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:Maybe every time you see food now,
you feel like you have to eat,
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:you have to get it down because in
your head, you don't know where the
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:next meal might be coming from and
you're trying to protect yourself.
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:The opposite of that is also true.
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:So I have also had a client
I worked with a few years ago
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:and she had a Mediterranean.
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:herritage, they had a slow, long meal
with everybody sitting around the table,
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:you know, lovely sociable time and a
lot of pressure from the mother to eat.
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:So constant pressure to fill
up your plate, eat more,
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:come on, eat more, eat more.
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:And actually then, um, In later life,
she found it quite hard to be on a diet
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:because, in one way, she wanted to lose
weight, this person, she wasn't massively
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:overweight, but she wanted to get into
a smaller body and, um, wanted to lose
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:a bit of weight and yet she had this
voice in her head of being always told
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:you need to eat more, you must finish
everything that's on your plate, have
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:more portions, you know, and, and that
meal time should be a really big part
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:of, you know, Family life that you must
have a long meal time with extensive
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:foods and lots of different plates and
you know Everybody's eating all the time
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:throughout this two hour dinner time.
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:So I mentioned there that we have
sometimes this sort of Parents voice
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:in our head telling us what we should
eat and actually in sort of psychology
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:terms We have these three ego states.
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:So these three kind of parts of ourselves.
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:So one is a parent that
is telling us what to do.
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:One is like an adult, which is
the rational adult following
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:the logic and the facts.
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:And then we also have a child,
which is more responding as
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:your inner child might have.
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:And I think this is quite an interesting
way to think about your food and
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:your approaches to eating as well.
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:So, for example, your parent voice
in your head, your, might be telling
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:you, you shouldn't eat that, that's
bad for you, or, on Sundays we have
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:a roast, this is just what we do.
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:The adult voice might be thinking, okay,
well, I know I need to eat protein, so
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:therefore, I'll eat this much chicken
for lunch and I'll have fish for dinner.
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:You know, that is a sort of logical
approach to putting together your meals.
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:You might think about
food in that way as well.
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:And then your sort of inner child
might have either a real, like, disgust
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:of certain foods that you were fed.
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:And like, I can't bear to
eat that or just, I want it.
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:I eat it.
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:Um, so.
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:It's really normal for us to have
all of these three states in our
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:head all the time and sometimes
they're conflicting which can also
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:feel really difficult when you've got
different voices inside your head.
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:I'm obviously not talking about, you know,
real voices like schizophrenic voices
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:but they are thoughts and different parts
of ourselves and once we can kind of see
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:where some of these things are coming from
it can help us unlock these ability to
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:change the way we eat or change the way
we respond to ourselves, even if we don't
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:change the actual habits and actions.
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:We might just be a bit more
gentle on ourselves knowing where
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:those thoughts have come from.
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:A little example of that personally for
me is that I have got a real thing about
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:wasting food and or just wasting anything
in general like I, you know, really use
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:up all the toothpaste and scrape it out
before we'll throw the toothpaste away.
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:I don't really like wasting food and that
came definitely from how I was brought up.
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:My mum's parents were, Immigrants to
this country and didn't have a lot
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:of money and definitely instilled
in her a sense of do not waste.
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:You know, we must make and do.
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:And then that has definitely
been brought over to me as well.
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:Not necessarily only about money,
but like using the Earth's resources,
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:making sure we don't waste.
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:As part of my eating disorder training
that I did over the last year.
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:One of the activities that we
had to do was to throw away a
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:piece of food that was good.
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:There was nothing wrong with it.
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:We had to do it as part of,
like, exploring our own sense
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:of whether you waste food.
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:And the reason it's important in
terms of attitudes to food is that
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:If you eat everything on your plate
because you don't want to waste it,
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:effectively you're kind of wasting it
into yourself, because you don't really
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:need it, you don't actually want it,
but you're still eating it anyway,
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:just in order for it not to be wasted.
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:So, interesting, very interesting,
and I actually found that experiment
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:quite difficult but it really helped
me think about, well, where did this
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:come from, why did I grew up with
that sense that waste is really bad.
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:And obviously like logically, we
only have limited resources in
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:each family and within the world.
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:So we don't want to waste loads of
stuff, but at the same time, it's
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:like, what emotions is that triggering?
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:Is it.
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:triggering emotions that are larger
than the actual activity should warrant.
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:So, if you've got to the end of
this episode and thought, oh, this
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:is interesting, I think I might
like to do something about this.
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:I was thinking about some specific things
that you might be able to put into place.
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:In your own life to help you with this.
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:One of them might be to write yourself
a little essay or journal entry
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:or kind of picture, it could be a
lifeline of how you were brought up.
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:brought up around food, what
was going on around all of these
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:different points in your life?
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:How was eating at school, for example?
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:Think about it and about
whether that has influenced your
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:attitude to the way you eat now.
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:Also just being really mindful
about What might be coming out
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:of that life story of eating?
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:Maybe you want to be mindful about
eating and if you want to go back to
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:episode 2 where I talk a lot about
mindful Eating that can be helpful.
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:Just really focusing on the mechanics
of eating a little bit But also
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:thinking about mindful shopping, you
know, are you actually buying foods
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:that are gonna be right for you?
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:Are you planning meals that are
So just, investing a bit of time
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:in it, I suppose, which is really
tricky if you're already time poor.
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:You're very busy.
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:And then, I guess the other thing is,
if you're trying to make changes to
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:your diet, is actually having a plan,
knowing where your, what your end goal
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:is, and trying to work backwards from
that in mini steps, so little things
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:to break it down into achievable steps.
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:So I know that's quite high level actions
this week, and there's not anything
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:necessarily specific that you should take
and do at the end of this episode, but
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:it's probably worth just thinking about,
even if you don't actually do anything,
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:is just have a little think about it.
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:Whether these have brought up
anything for you, and whether
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:you'd like to do anything about it.
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:So, I'll leave it there for this week.
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:Thank you very much for listening to
this episode of the Inside Knowledge.
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:Better digestion for everyone.