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Season One Wrap-Up: What Did We Learn?
Episode 106th September 2022 • Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking • Kirsten Rourke
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In Episode 10 of Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking, Kirsten and Kellie take a look back at the first season and ask the philosophical question: Which is louder, rain or teenage boys? Hear an equipment favorite, and which one of us is a Rocky Horror Picture Show performance alum, as well as a shout out to Amy Woods at Content 10x.

Key take-aways:

  • What surprised us?
  • What did we enjoy most?
  • What’s next?

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Kirsten:

Welcome to Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking.

Kirsten:

It's a podcast and a community.

Kirsten:

I'm Kirsten Rourke, speaker, presenter, and founder of Rourke Training.

Kirsten:

And this is Kellie.

Kellie:

Hey there, I'm Kellie, producer, writer, and herder of cats.

Kirsten:

Oh, so many cats.

Kirsten:

After over 20 years as speaker and presenter, I've seen it all,

Kirsten:

and I'm sharing it with you.

Kirsten:

Ongoing mastery is about continual improvement of your craft.

Kirsten:

You'll learn tips and hear from industry leaders.

Kirsten:

I'll tell you straight up what works and what doesn't, so you can thrive.

Kirsten:

Let's get started.

Kirsten:

Welcome to episode number 10.

Kellie:

We made it to double digits.

Kirsten:

We did, so proud of us.

Kellie:

Yay.

Kirsten:

So in this episode, we're going to talk about the things we learned

Kirsten:

about making a podcast and some of the things that are coming up for our

Kirsten:

season two, which will be expanded.

Kirsten:

So, what did you mostly take away?

Kirsten:

What was one of your big discoveries in doing this?

Kellie:

I think my biggest one is I used to hate the sound

Kellie:

of my own voice, recorded.

Kellie:

It was low.

Kellie:

I thought it was uninteresting, but somebody I've heard in the past

Kellie:

couple months said about her own voice, "My voice is my voice, and

Kellie:

other people can just get used to it," and I really took that to heart.

Kellie:

But I know I have to work on articulation.

Kellie:

I used to lisp as a kid and in listening to the recordings, I can hear a

Kellie:

little bit of sh-sh-shness, a little bit of slushiness that maybe no one

Kellie:

else can hear, but I know it's there.

Kellie:

But I think enjoying my own recorded voice is something I've

Kellie:

taken away that I did not expect.

Kirsten:

Awesome.

Kirsten:

I, I unfortunately can't say that I don't like the sound of my voice because

Kirsten:

I've always liked the sound of my voice.

Kirsten:

I will talk to total strangers if they're holding still long enough.

Kirsten:

But what I really was surprised by was I knew that I would like what we produced,

Kirsten:

but I really like what we've done.

Kirsten:

I like the interviews.

Kirsten:

I like what we created.

Kirsten:

It took us a little while in the very beginning, not that long, but like three

Kirsten:

or four or five different shots at it to find the location and the patter and

Kirsten:

the way in which we were going to be communicating that would get across what

Kirsten:

we were trying to get across verbally, emotionally, you know, and so on.

Kellie:

Five-take Bartlet, that's what they call you.

Kirsten:

Yeah, twenty-five-take Bartlet is more like it, but we're getting there.

Kellie:

We're getting there, and appreciating the process and the practice.

Kellie:

We have had to pivot.

Kellie:

It's been rewarding to walk the walk of the Prep, Practice, Pivot model,

Kellie:

and we're not just saying stuff.

Kirsten:

Yeah, so it's, it's good to do what you teach, and in our coaching

Kirsten:

and consulting work, we use Prep, Practice, and Pivot as the foundation

Kirsten:

of what we walk people through.

Kirsten:

And having us go through, and we're doing a pivot for season

Kirsten:

two, it'll take more prep.

Kirsten:

It'll take more practice.

Kirsten:

And I think we're going to be creating some fun, exciting, new things.

Kirsten:

So I think it's, it's good, we're expanding.

Kellie:

Yeah, and it took us a couple of location tests to find even just

Kellie:

for season one, what was going to work out, and we had to keep at it

Kellie:

because as it turns out, rain is loud.

Kirsten:

Yeah, I knew the rain was going to be a problem.

Kirsten:

I just didn't, I, I was kind of trying to willpower it to not be a problem.

Kirsten:

And that actually doesn't work.

Kirsten:

I don't have those skills.

Kirsten:

And my teenager, who was wonderful and brilliant and I

Kirsten:

love to pieces, he walks loud.

Kellie:

He is an active young man, yes.

Kirsten:

He is.

Kirsten:

And he's always made very, I mean, even when he was a little, itty bitty kid, just

Kirsten:

learning to walk, it was thump, thump, thump, and you're listening to him and

Kirsten:

kind of going, "Where's that sound coming from in that tiny little body?", and he

Kirsten:

just, that's, that's the noises he makes.

Kirsten:

And they're picked up in the equipment that we choose to use.

Kirsten:

Now, we can expand because there's lots of different microphones,

Kirsten:

but I am really in love with the Apogee MIC96 that we're using.

Kirsten:

It's been my baby forever and I just enjoy it.

Kirsten:

It's very portable.

Kirsten:

It creates a nice sound that I like.

Kirsten:

So we decided to shift to Kellie's office and are going to be trying

Kirsten:

some different recording technology for season two and see how that goes.

Kellie:

Yeah, just so that we don't have to be beholden to coming to

Kellie:

my office in late hour or weekends when my officemates aren't here or

Kellie:

it's not the school semester and other people aren't in neighboring

Kellie:

offices having conferences and so on.

Kirsten:

Yeah, and at some point, maybe I'll invest in some more sound padding

Kirsten:

and a booth and all of that, but right now, I think what we're planning will be

Kirsten:

good, and we want your guys' take on it.

Kirsten:

So we will be asking for feedback, not only on what is coming up, what

Kirsten:

we'll be announcing, but also what you enjoyed and what you would like to see

Kirsten:

added in what we've produced so far and what we're going to be producing in

Kirsten:

the future, because we're going to be expanding out to more interviews and also

Kirsten:

adding in some live coaching sessions.

Kellie:

What kind of folks are we hoping to talk to in season two?

Kirsten:

Well, I definitely want to get a couple of voiceover professionals in.

Kirsten:

There are some creative artists, there's, I want to see if I can get

Kirsten:

somebody who does really good improv, and some, a dance teacher who does amazing

Kirsten:

body work to come in and talk about gestures and energy and performance.

Kirsten:

So we'll see, see if we can get on people's calendars.

Kirsten:

I do want to do a quick shout out to Amy Woods of Content 10X, because Kellie

Kirsten:

and I asked for an hour of her time, we bought an hour of her time, and she did a

Kirsten:

very, very wonderful, comprehensive look at our socials, at the podcast, at the

Kirsten:

website, and took some really detailed notes and then got on a call with us and

Kirsten:

gave us some guidance on how we could market the podcast and also ways to

Kirsten:

repurpose content, which is her specialty.

Kirsten:

And it was helpful and clever and focused.

Kirsten:

And,

Kellie:

And it was clear, not just that she'd done her homework, and not

Kellie:

just that she has an approach that she uses with her clients, but that she

Kellie:

was thinking about our stuff and what did our stuff need to be better, right.

Kellie:

And that it was definitely not cookie cutter.

Kellie:

She was really engaged and she'd done a lot of homework and had

Kellie:

this well-integrated plan for us.

Kellie:

And it was really impressive.

Kirsten:

So, Content 10X, definitely check them out.

Kirsten:

So, Kellie, I learned something interesting when you and I were talking

Kirsten:

about doing this episode, which is that you were never really a theater kid.

Kellie:

I wasn't.

Kellie:

I had one, very miserable, eighth grade musical theater experience

Kellie:

in which my brother was a far more leading character, and I was,

Kellie:

like, in the chorus and hated it.

Kellie:

And I was not in the theater subset in high school.

Kellie:

That was a different set of students.

Kellie:

We didn't really cross paths a whole lot.

Kellie:

It wasn't especially welcoming to me.

Kellie:

So I've never thought of myself as a theatrical performance type person.

Kirsten:

I can't say that, but I can say that I was not in theater

Kirsten:

in high school because I was definitely one of the unpopular kids.

Kirsten:

I was definitely one of the Freaks and Geeks crowd.

Kirsten:

And the time I did try out for one of the shows, they created a

Kirsten:

non-speaking, non-singing part for me.

Kellie:

Ouch

Kirsten:

That's how well I did.

Kirsten:

But I ended up getting into the Rocky Horror cast with the other stoner

Kirsten:

friends of mine and we did Fridays and Saturdays for five years and ended

Kirsten:

up doing it in multiple locations.

Kirsten:

We even performed at UConn and it was, it was a lot of fun.

Kellie:

The number of people I know who are alum of the Rocky Horror Picture

Kellie:

Show performing casts is definitely double-digit percentage of my friends.

Kirsten:

It's, yeah, it's, it's definitely a culture, all of us who

Kirsten:

worship at the shrine of, of Tim Curry.

Kirsten:

I will say I owe a huge thank you to Desert Moon Dancers and Nancy Barrett,

Kirsten:

because the 25 years I spent in the dance troupe of Near and Middle Eastern

Kirsten:

dance really helped me find this latent need and this latent ability and give me

Kirsten:

an opportunity to express it and learn skills that I use professionally now.

Kirsten:

And a lot of the theatrical training comes from the fact that this group, I mean,

Kirsten:

we were together for a really, really long time and we performed all over the

Kirsten:

East Coast and, and parts of the U.S.

Kirsten:

And it was, it was something where if you would ask my 16 year old self if

Kirsten:

that was something that I would do, I would never, ever have said yes.

Kirsten:

But, if you then checked in with my 20 year old self, I was completely in,

Kirsten:

100% on board and had really been able to dive into this wonderful world.

Kirsten:

So between Rocky Horror, between the dance troupe, all of that actually

Kirsten:

contributes to the way we work with people and are able to help people speak

Kirsten:

differently and enunciate or project or express themselves differently and how

Kirsten:

they appear on camera, how they appear on stage, what the floor pattern is that

Kirsten:

they're walking, how they're gesturing.

Kirsten:

All of that is fed into from these experiences.

Kirsten:

So I'm really glad that we're building something that can incorporate that work.

Kellie:

And I came to performance more by way of teaching and thinking very

Kellie:

deliberately, making specific choices about how I was engaging my students

Kellie:

and what kind of gestures I was making, what kind of presence I had in the room.

Kellie:

Because even with college students, if you don't bring the energy,

Kellie:

they don't bring the energy.

Kirsten:

Yeah

Kellie:

And, but I didn't think of myself as a theatrical person, right.

Kellie:

The theatrical quality was secondary to the teaching.

Kellie:

So discovering that I kind of like it and it is a more significant

Kellie:

part of my personality than I realized has been a nice bonus.

Kirsten:

And I'm, I'm just trying

Kellie:

Kirsten is making a face at me

Kirsten:

I'm trying not to laugh.

Kirsten:

How did you not know you were a theater geek?

Kirsten:

I mean, I've known that the entire time I've known you.

Kellie:

I was a late bloomer in many respects.

Kirsten:

Really?

Kirsten:

I just

Kellie:

I thought I hated musicals and it turns out I hate a specific

Kellie:

style of musical, but having seen three in the past three years,

Kellie:

including during the pandemic, might suggest that I like musicals.

Kirsten:

And if you don't like Hamilton, there's something

Kirsten:

seriously wrong, I'm just saying.

Kellie:

Been to Hamilton.

Kirsten:

It's impossible not to like Hamilton.

Kirsten:

I'm just, no judgment.

Kirsten:

No, seriously, there's judgment.

Kirsten:

I, I will, I will own that, there's judgment.

Kellie:

I, my teenager loved it and I'd resisted because the concept of American

Kellie:

history via rap, I just thought it was such a, such a trick, such a gimmick.

Kellie:

And then I listened to it and it is dang catchy.

Kirsten:

It's brilliant.

Kellie:

And then we saw it and now we watch it on repeat

Kirsten:

Yep and it, it, it made me cry.

Kellie:

Oh,

Kirsten:

It made me cheer.

Kellie:

You know what's happening in Act Two and I'm

Kellie:

bawling the entire time anyway.

Kellie:

It's amazing.

Kirsten:

So, what we're going to be doing is coming out with some previews,

Kirsten:

some sneaks, throw together a couple of our outtakes and give you guys some of

Kirsten:

that before, you know, we'll have a two week break to get some stuff together

Kirsten:

and then be launching season two.

Kirsten:

Please give us your feedback.

Kirsten:

Come find us on all the socials.

Kirsten:

Come find us on LinkedIn.

We have an Ongoing Mastery:

Presenting & Speaking group on LinkedIn, and we'd

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really like to know what kind of stuff you want, want to get into?

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What do you want to explore?

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Who would you like to hear from?

Kellie:

What kinds of things that we touched on do you want us to

Kellie:

go into further detail about?

Kellie:

We can keep talking, that's not the problem.

Kirsten:

Oh God, yeah.

Kirsten:

The problem is, is stopping talking, I think.

Kellie:

Generally, yes.

Kirsten:

Yeah.

Kirsten:

And on that note, I think we can wrap this up.

Kellie:

Okay.

Kirsten:

All right.

Kirsten:

Well, thank you everybody.

Kirsten:

We will see you next season.

Kellie:

Cheers.

Kirsten:

Thank you for joining us for Ongoing Mastery: Presenting & Speaking,

Kirsten:

the podcast for everyone who wants to work on their own skills and lift up others.

Kirsten:

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Kirsten:

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