Daniah Greenberg drops some serious wisdom in our chat about her new book, *Biblical Feminism*. Right off the bat, she argues that being a biblical feminist isn’t about tossing aside faith; it's about embracing the depth of God's love and recognizing the unique role of women in scripture. We dive into the idea that women are not just side characters but pivotal reflections of the divine, carrying the essence of creation within them. This convo is jam-packed with insights on how traditional views can box us in and how exploring the Bible with fresh eyes can blow our minds. So, whether you’re a lifelong believer or just curious about faith, this episode is all about shaking up misconceptions and celebrating the power of femininity in a biblical context. Grab your headphones and let’s get into it!

Takeaways:

• Daniah Greenberg's book, Biblical Feminism, challenges traditional views of gender roles in faith.
• The discussion emphasizes that both women and men reflect God's image equally, debunking superiority myths.
• Daniah highlights the absurdity of limiting God's identity to male pronouns, inviting a broader perspective.
• The conversation explores how biblical language evolves, much like seeds growing into plants over time.
• Daniah argues that being a daughter of God is the highest title a woman can hold, surpassing earthly labels.
• The podcast reaffirms that understanding scripture can empower women to embrace their spiritual roles unapologetically.

Foreign.

My name is Ashley and this is the Black Sheep Christian podcast.

I have.

We've been chit chatting, so this is going to be a good.

This is going to be a good one with Dania.

Welcome.

Thank you so much for having me, Ashley.

This is going to be a blast.

This is going to be.

I hear you love the Bible.

So we got a lot in common already.

What did you know?

My parents are proud, like, oh, my God.

That is our dramatic daughter.

So author of a new book, Biblical Feminism.

I am honored that you reached out to me so we can talk about this.

I'm gonna be honest.

I only have one question in this entire thing.

Only wrote down one question.

And it's mostly like three thoughts.

I wrote down thoughts.

I wrote down.

I'm going to recite some paragraphs that you written.

And I have.

And I wrote down thoughts to be able to understand.

It's.

It's like.

Like, whoa.

And my mind was just like sitting and thinking and.

And I couldn't even.

I couldn't even conjure up a question.

It was just like my mind was blown.

So praise God.

That's good to sit and think about the Bible.

No, really, I.

You can read a lot of stuff and be bored out of your mind.

I.

Every time I open the Bible, I find something and God go.

And I'll read the same thing I've been reading for 30 years.

And I'll read it and go, wow.

I didn't even see that.

Like, where did that come from?

Basically talking about the white spaces, right?

Yes.

The white space on the page.

Because people don't get it.

That it.

That everything, everything is binary except God.

He's the only one.

You know?

You know, when I did read about that, so I remember when I wrote.

When you wrote about that, it reminded me of a comment that someone said to me years ago, and it hurt my brain.

It was like my brain broke and it didn't know how to get back together again.

And they were like, well, God could be a woman.

And my mind was like, what?

And.

And my brain broke in that sense because it was like we.

In.

In scripture, we made God a he all this time, but it's like, how could he be a he?

Like, my brain broke when that person.

This is.

This is about language and how language unfolds and how definitions start literally from zero in the Bible.

Yes.

And that's what.

And if.

And if people could understand that biblical language grows.

Just like you put a seed in the ground and it grows.

The language grows.

However, what.

So if you think about it, seeds are nutrient dense, right?

Seeds have everything they need to grow into a plant.

It's like the essence of the plant is the seed.

If you think of every word as it's introduced in the Bible as a seed, that is the strongest when it's first presented.

And then as it grows, you see more of it, but you're actually diluting it.

It's like a drop of.

It's like the essence of a word that's been put in the Bible.

So the question about that.

The.

The vein, you're going down.

I get what you're saying.

Go ahead with reading.

What?

Take us where you want us to go.

Because I. I'm so into how your brain works that I. I think this is going to be a blast.

Okay.

All right, so I'm gonna go in my first paragraph.

Listen.

So the invitation broke.

It didn't break my brain, but it really.

It was just like, a paragraph, and I was like, what?

And then I felt like I was having adhd, and then I read another paragraph, and I was like.

Like, it was.

It.

It was a trip.

So is that a good thing?

Are you okay?

You know Jesus loves you, right?

Okay, let me start with.

If Son of God is who we're supposed to emulate.

Yes.

Then Daughter of Zion should be just as potent.

What I'm saying is that being a daughter is the highest name you'll ever be given when God's your dad.

And so the whole idea that men are better than women or somehow they're the only real teachers or all that stuff is malarkey.

Because if the.

If you divide all of humanity into just two.

Yes.

Just two.

Yes.

Black letter on a white.

White page.

Okay.

Okay.

I'll give you a really good example.

All right, I'm gonna bust this out because this is fun to show people.

I have more Bible props than anybody I know.

So this right here is.

It looks like a piece of paper, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is a mezuzah scroll.

It's got five or six verses of the Bible on it.

We roll it up, put it in a.

Put it in a little box and put it on the door post where the blood of the lamb is.

And it says, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and strength.

There's only two values on the page.

There's black letters on a white page.

That's all it takes for you to be able to see God.

How could it possibly be that we would be a reflection of God if there wasn't more than One of us.

Yeah.

Well said.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I just want you to know that I get it, that it breaks your brain when other people try to dissect God's word to where it doesn't include you.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Well said.

Now that's a nugget.

Oh, yeah.

Well said.

Okay.

I'm digesting.

An Invitation to Biblical Feminism.

This is where I started, which I highly recommend people to read.

The invitation and the introduction.

I know sometimes I'm guilty of it.

I skipped that.

But the.

This was a good invitation because it really sets your mind up.

Because as I continue reading the book, I.

My brain didn't break as much, but it was kind of.

I. I was able to roll with it, you know, to.

To.

To be able to.

To follow you as you were writing.

So it was.

Thank you for that.

I was really nervous about putting the biblical feminism first when I first wrote the book.

I put it at the end because I thought people wanted to hear my story and then figure out how I got there.

Yeah.

But what I realized is that when I decided to call the book, I started off calling the book something really sweet and darling and.

And completely none.

It just vanilla.

Just no flavor to it at all.

Right.

Yeah.

Just the white page.

It was like.

Could have called it the white page.

It had nothing.

And then I realized if I had to bring the entire title of Being Being a Girl down to just two words, you know, like a messianic Jew is a Jew that believes in Messiah.

So a biblical feminist is a female that believes in the Bible.

Yeah.

I wanted to get it clear for people so that they would realize when there's a space between the two words, there's a conversation, there's something to grasp, there's a bridge to cross to understand.

You're not going to figure it out just by a one word answer.

Because people want to label you, but they want to label you with just like a noun, you know what I mean?

Or just an adjective.

And the fact is, is that that's not enough to describe you because you're having a journey.

Yeah.

In your walk with the Lord, you're not.

You're not date time stamped.

And you're going to be that way your whole life.

That's the power of resurrection as we get to be reborn and through Messiah.

So.

Yes.

Nice.

Yeah.

Well said.

Thank you.

I just like that I'm talking to somebody who likes to think.

I like to think about stuff.

I do.

Sometimes I'm afraid that my pause is like, what is happening?

But like like my brain.

And.

And before I move forward.

This is why I.

This is part the reason why I'm redoing this podcast again, because it is exploring God outside of the church walls.

I mean, that's where everything happens anyways.

I mean, there are things that happen within, but there's something about to be able to see him differently outside of the.

The boundaries and the walls and the borders.

So this is.

I agree.

Yeah.

You're talking my language, girl.

I think that if you read the Bible, you have this.

You have this encounter with God, this spiritual.

You have a relationship with the God of the universe who loves you more than anything.

Yeah.

You're.

You're his favorite, you're his best.

You're his girl, you're his daughter.

And if you really believe that, then the labels people try to put on you, they never fit, especially when they're one word.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Words are powerful.

They really are.

So your invitation.

This is where it's funny.

So this is where my brain started to like, whoa.

So I.

You wrote, a biblical feminist believes that she is a beloved reflection of her creator.

A biblical female is the first multiplication of God's love for humanity and carries the Garden of Eden inside her.

Yeah.

So my thought, because I didn't really write any questions, so my thought to kind of help us with this conversation is I wrote down today the word feminist or feminism can feel negative to some and burdensome to others.

This statement feels like we are.

We were anointed.

Yes.

I love that you said anointed.

So the difference between.

Okay, see, anointing is the presence of God in a person's life that's visible to other people.

That's how you know someone's anointed, because you recognize they have the spark of life in them.

Yeah.

So when a baby's created, right.

When a sperm and an egg hit, there is a burst of light.

They just found that out in the last, I guess, 10 years, that.

That there's literally a burst of light.

So when you think about the same way that.

That the spirit of God hovered over Miriam, right.

And Yeshua came through her body into the world, every time God anoints life, every time the spark of life happens, it happens inside a woman.

He chose that place for us.

And science calls that a Zion, which is crazy, because that means, like a daughter of Zion means that we're the place where.

Where God chooses to.

To create life.

That means Eden is literally inside of us.

It's just a great.

It's a great truth that the world Knows even though they don't want to give the Bible credit for it.

Yeah.

Science is, is catching up.

They'll get there eventually.

They can't help it.

The fact is the you, the God of the universe made it.

You know what I mean?

The Bible has lasted 3, 400 years.

Really?

You don't think this is where we get all of our definitions?

Why do you think we live a seven day week?

Where do you think we got it from?

I just love it when people are like, I don't know if I have a biblical worldview.

Well, too bad you're living in one.

So.

Oh gosh.

Yeah, this is where that paragraph really touched me in a certain way.

As far as where was it?

Oh, the first multiplication of God's love for humanity and carries the garden of Eden inside her.

That inside her is.

Is really, is really a beautiful, beautiful statement.

Amen.

Thank you.

Yeah.

It was really the Lord.

And by reflection I mean that.

So it says.

So most people don't know that that Adam was.

Was.

Is, does not become a given name until later.

If you go back to the Hebrew, Adam just means red dirt, Claude.

That's all it means.

And so you can translate it as humanity or human.

But most people call him Adam because by chapter five, he.

It becomes a proper name.

But it's not really meant to be a proper name at first because it's.

Because think about it.

God.

God breathes life, right?

The bless breath of life is breathed into the dirt clod and the dirt clod becomes a living being.

So the first gift God ever gave is a breath of life.

So God's breath is his name.

You're saying every time you breathe because there's no vowel in doesn't go through your vocal cord.

It comes directly from the tree of life, which is your lungs.

The tree of life.

Think about it.

God breathes into you and a tree of oxygen makes room inside there for his spirit to dwell.

We think about that.

How's that not the most amazing thing ever, right?

And then, right, so the first tree in the garden, he wants to show man what's inside him.

There's a tree, it's called the tree of life.

Then there's another tree, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Well if you think about it, the other tree is your brain.

It's your nerve endings, right, that that grows.

So the two trees, right in between them, right, is a river of life that flows from the throne of God.

That's your heart.

And the river of life is the bloodstream within you so believe it or not, your blood is actually alive, even though it doesn't have a nucleus.

What keeps it alive?

How does it reproduce?

I don't know.

They can't explain it.

They can't recreate it.

But the point is that that's what.

If you start to understand that the creator of the universe created male and female.

And I think one of the things that.

That will really speak to your audience specifically is the whole controversy with.

I mean, there were two trees in the garden.

There was not one.

There was two.

Right, right.

So when there's two trees, like there's two people, there's two trees.

Create a space.

That's why Jewish people light two candles on Friday night to usher in God's presence, because they're the gates through which we pray that the presence of God comes and joins us.

So binary means there's two.

So without two bookends, there's nothing in the book, girl.

Without the two bookends, there's nothing in the book.

Open the scroll.

That's how it works.

So the tree of life is at the beginning of the Bible, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the tree of life is separated from us because a lie comes between the trees.

So when you recognize that there is no reality without male and female, and in Judaism, they're two different words.

Male is not part of the word female in Judaism.

I didn't know.

They're totally distinct.

Ah.

Which just goes.

Which is what I'm telling you.

When the people who give you.

Who teach you to read.

Yeah.

Tell you that male is part of female.

Right.

They're telling you doctrine.

Okay.

I'm learning new things.

I'm growing.

Isn't it cool?

It is cool.

It is cool.

So, yeah.

So when.

So we.

So we reflected.

So God, we write the dirt clod.

The dirt clod is a reflection of God.

Yeah.

And then God multiplies the one dirt clod into two dirt clots.

He's the only one that can do that.

Other people call that division.

God calls that multiplication.

So being multiplied into two people.

Yeah.

Is time.

It's called times.

Remember, one times one is still one.

Two times two is four.

Two plus two is four, but two, you have to understand that times has to do with the order.

It's just that when he has to tell you they're both here on the page, he has to put one in front of the other because the line in the text is going that way.

And once you're walking in, when you're in Little kindergarten.

You learn how to walk in a line.

Yeah.

Somebody's got to be first if you're walking in a line.

But if there's only two, one's not better than the other one.

Right.

There's still one.

Except now, because of time, there are two.

So you have to think in another dimension that we're being reduced into three dimensional.

God's not able to be reduced into three dimensional.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's awesome, right?

Isn't God amazing?

But if you guys don't know the.

The Hebrew roots of the If.

Okay.

So not the Hebrew roots of the faith.

I don't want you to get weird about it.

It's just that the Old Testament is filled with intel.

It's crazy how many patterns and they're all right in line with science.

They're not.

They do not.

Science does not debunk the Bible.

It proves it.

Correct.

Oh, that was good, Danya.

I never said that before.

That was really good.

Science does not debunk the Bible.

It proves it.

Yeah.

They're just a little slow at it.

They'll.

They'll get there eventually.

I can't remember.

There was something.

It was a while back, and it was a scientific study and to prove something.

And I was kind of like, duh, like, like you spend all that time and money just to prove something that scripture already said.

Science proves that you cannot.

You cannot reproduce what only God makes.

And only God makes seed.

You can't make it.

Only God makes the breath of life.

Yeah.

You can hook somebody up to a machine.

Doesn't make them alive.

It's not oxygen that makes you breathe.

It's God's breath alive in you.

And once you realize every minute you're alive, it's because God is keeping you Al.

Yes.

You stop worrying about what's going to happen when you die.

Yeah.

And you start thinking about what does this moment mean?

And what can God do with me in this moment to change everything?

Every conversation can be anointed.

Every moment you spend with God can be anointed.

You just have to welcome him into that space.

Yeah.

And want to talk about him.

That's why by reading your Bible is so important.

Because somebody else explaining what the Bible says to you isn't necessarily anointed, but you opening your Bible is always anointed.

Well said.

I'm gonna have to watch this podcast because I know that you spend time with God.

I can tell.

I can tell because God's alive in you.

You give him time to.

To think and time to grow things thank you.

You know, that reminds me of a story.

I told this before, but not to you, because.

But anyways, I remember I was sitting in the car, driving, picking up, picked up my daughter from something.

It doesn't really matter because I was always doing that.

And I was just in my thoughts, and I said it out loud and I said, you know, I think I'm a baby Christian.

And my daughter's eyes grew big like, oh, my God.

And my daughter, if you are a baby, then I am in the womb.

And I say, right.

I said, okay, I'll graduate my.

Graduate myself to a toddler just so you can be.

I think women grow backwards.

I think we grow backwards.

I think that women are the fullness because we.

I have to be honest with you.

It's really what I think when you talk about, like, the Alpha and the Omega.

Yes, yes, yes.

Okay.

Two points make a line.

Two lines make an intersection.

Okay?

So if the two points in the line, no matter how far or how close they are, let's think Adam and Eve, they're so close.

They're.

They're one.

Right.

But then God does that.

Oh, there's two of them and there's space between them.

Okay.

But there's space and they're going to move forward.

One's going to have to go before the other because the way is narrow.

Narrow.

Okay.

So you have to approach God on your own.

Each of us and all of us.

Nobody gets a pass.

Nobody gets in on somebody else's back.

You got it?

Oh, you got to get to God yourself, boy, I'm hanging out with you more.

You're just making me all alive in my spirit.

Okay, great.

So.

But this whole idea of the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, that's what creates the space.

Yeah.

So if Adam is the beginning.

Right.

And daughter of Zion is.

The goal is to arrive in Zion, in the space, then I think women are presence driven and men are purpose driven.

And I think those are.

That's what I think people mean when they say, well, she's got a lot of.

He's got.

She's got a lot of male energy.

She's pushy.

She's got a lot of female energy.

She's nurturing.

You're talking about the difference between purpose and presence.

And the fact is, that's the difference between anointing and appointing.

Yeah.

Okay.

Anointing is space.

Appointing is getting there at the right time for the right reason.

Remember, Seth was the appointed seed.

Yes.

So if you think about it that way, then you no longer feel like you're a second class citizen being a woman because you're like, there's no fullness without me.

Right.

You can't, you can't express God on the earth without me.

You can do it all day long, but clearly it does not leave the world more balanced.

Don't tell women they can't be teachers.

That's insanity.

Oh, who rocks the cradle rules the world.

I got news for you.

Your characters formed before you're seven years old.

Yes.

I find that argument very, in particular about women being pastors.

And I find that very interesting point that people make because one, I had a conversation with a family member not too long ago over the weekend when I was visiting in another state.

And they're like, yeah, I can't, I can't be, you know, in a church with a woman as a pastor.

And it made me really think because I heard it many times, but that time it made me really think.

And I thought to myself, I said, God is in scripture.

God made a very interesting point to choose somebody that nobody didn't think of whatsoever.

God anoints who he chooses.

He anoints who he chooses.

Yes.

He is not a respecter of persons.

He's just not.

And there's things that women are just gifted to do because they were created that way.

Yes.

Women are intensely creative beings.

Yeah, we, we take, we look at what's in the cupboard and we make stuff out of it.

Right?

We make stuff out of it.

Guys look in the cupboard and they're like, oh my gosh, if I just had this one other thing, I could make that right.

Because they're always wanting to push the envelope further.

And I get that.

I think that's a great thing that God has given men to feel that way.

But I'm the one looking at the cupboards going, okay, there's space in the cupboards.

And I got kids I gotta feed, I gotta, I gotta make something out of nothing.

Right.

And women literally.

Do you realize we literally make something out of nothing when babies are born inside us, there's nothing there.

And then God makes something out of nothing with just his light arriving.

Yeah, it's exactly like the beginning of Genesis.

The Holy Spirit hovers over God, creates something in you.

Women love that.

Yeah, that's a good.

You don't shy away from that.

We run to it.

We do.

That's why we're, you know, it's kind of like, it's funny, but did you know that rhinoceroses run into fire?

Do you know that.

No, they run into fire.

I think the reason they do it.

I'm not a zoologist, but I think the reason they do it is because at some point, they instinctually know how to help stop a forest fire.

Right?

God gave them some kind of internal intel to do that.

There's just things that are instinctually true about women and the way we were created that creates a nurturing environment for all humanity.

It doesn't matter whether you have your own kids or not.

Being creative is just kind of who we are.

Yeah, it's.

We.

We can't be stopped just because someone says, well, you can be creative, but don't you teach?

It's insanity.

By the way, did you ever read it in our Bible?

Did you read it in the tlv?

Did you ever read it?

Timothy verse?

No, I'm sorry.

So I was on an.

Yeah, I was on another podcast, and I.

And I read it.

Where is it again?

Tell me where it is.

We're in second Timothy, right?

Or first Tim, where is it?

Where's that verse that stresses everybody?

Verse for me?

There's a lot of verses that stresses everybody.

Okay, I could talk about all those, but we're talking about the war.

It says women shouldn't teach a man.

So let's just.

Let's just suck it up and do it.

Okay?

Let's just look at it.

Because, honestly, some young lady made me look it up on a podcast, and I'm being totally honest.

I realized that we came up with an entire Bible translation.

19 years.

So I've read it and read it and read it and read it.

Doesn't mean I park on verses that I just don't want to get aggravated by Timothy 2:11.

Oh, first Timothy 2:11.

Let's look at it in the TLV.

Oh, it's 2:11.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Let me move, let me move.

Let me.

First Timothy 211.

Is that it, Simro?

I thought it was 12.

I. I thought.

212.

Okay, you're right.

Okay, where was I again?

Sim.

First Timothy 2:12.

Got it.

First Timothy 2:12.

Here we go.

Because I remember when I read it, I was like, wow, that was a great translation.

Good job.

TLV.

Where does it say it?

212.

Okay, I'm just gonna read it here in the TLV.

Just.

All right, So I desire all men to pray everywhere.

All men to pray everywhere.

That includes women.

All men.

All men to pray everywhere.

We know that includes women, right?

We don't have to say it means women.

We know it Does.

Yeah.

Our name is women.

That's right.

Lifting up.

Lifting up.

Now, for the record.

Husband and wife.

The words are the same in Hebrew.

What?

They are the same.

So.

Yeah, so?

So woman, woman.

Not wife.

Woman, woman and husband.

Let me make that really clear so there's no confusion.

Zip it back, Da.

Okay.

The word woman and the word husband are the same Hebrew word which means that when a woman has a husband, they h. They become one.

In.

Yeah, one like God is one or like evening and morning.

One day is one.

It's the word echad, or when the fullness comes, it talks about in Zechariah.

In that day, the Lord will be one, and his name will be one.

So the name of the Father and the Son will be one in the time at that time.

So people need to think about what that means, that oneness that only God can be.

So just realize what it says.

All men.

It includes women.

Okay.

So I desire all men to pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands without anger and argument.

Oh, doesn't that sound great?

Nobody ever starts that early.

Likewise, women are to adorn themselves in appropriate clothing, with modesty and sound judgment, not in seductive hairstyles and golds or pearls or costly clothing, but what is suitable for women.

Claiming.

Got.

Claiming godliness.

Wow.

I love that numbers don't dress in a way that, you know, is ungodly.

How clear could we be what it says?

Claiming godliness through good deeds.

In other words, your actions are what's gonna tell people who you are.

Right?

Yeah.

Let a woman receive training and a quiet demeanor with a complete respect for order.

I have complete respect for order.

And I'm one of the rowdiest people I know, Not Nevada.

You know what I mean?

I do.

But I do not allow a woman to train or dictate to a man, but to be in a quiet demeanor.

For Adam was formed first, then Eve also.

Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, she fell into transgression.

Nevertheless, she'll be sustained through childbearing if they continue in faithfulness and love and holiness with sound judgment.

Wow.

I was saved by childbirth.

Having a child changed who I was.

Yeah.

I was anointed.

Like you said, the presence of God entered my womb.

It says, a spirit of God enters the bones of an unborn child.

When I was anointed with the creative power of God inside me, he changed me.

Yeah.

He brought me to a new place.

He anointed me, and then he appointed me to become a mother.

That was a gift that he gave Me.

So when it says in there that, you know, a woman shouldn't dictate to a man, it means you don't order.

You don't order men around.

I don't think.

I don't.

I don't have a problem with that verse being written that way.

If you write teach, it's very different than dictate.

And if a woman trains a man to be like herself, there are things in ways that women approach life.

The way that we hear God, the way that we respond to things that are innately female.

I don't want to train my boys to be a woman.

Yes.

I want to train my sons to be a.

To be weak and to be and to be and to feel as if they have to be something other than who they're created to be.

Yes.

Because our strength is in our.

In the identity that God gave us.

Our strength is not in the identity somebody else assigns to us.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you did write that.

Because I.

Where are you?

Because I wrote that down.

Because that.

That spoke to me as well.

Where are you?

Where are you?

I like your brain, Ashley.

Thank you.

Like, this has been.

So I. I filled.

I filled this entire page and I even color code, and I still can't even find what I wrote, Lord, because it was.

Where all do you can.

I found it.

Okay.

Remind me about color coding.

I'm gonna talk to you about that in a minute.

Go.

Go for it.

Okay, so here it is.

Here's the.

Here's the sentence.

And I may say his name incorrectly, and I apologize.

So biblical feminism does not exist without biblical masculinity.

However, I cannot speak for a man.

You.

You'll get insight on the perspective closer to the end of this book from a dear and theological proven friend of mine, Rabbi Ricardo.

And how do you say his name?

Juliano Giuliano.

Juliano.

I wrote as.

As a.

As a thought.

And I said I love this because it is a choice and an acknowledgement that we are not created to do and carry everything.

A hundred percent.

A hundred percent.

If I. I cannot.

I am not a reflection of God in and of myself.

Yes.

Humanity is a reflection of God.

It's like looking at a mirror.

Yes.

And then the reflection bounces off the mirror.

And that's all you're seeing is the reflection.

But then that reflection bounces again and creates another.

And if you.

And if we could just accept the fact that.

That nobody has everything.

We all have the same.

That's why it says we have the same ruach, but we operate in different Gifts.

Yes.

So if God has given you a gift to teach, then you go where the door of favor opens.

And teach if.

Listen, biblical feminists need to go where they're celebrated, not tolerated.

I'm not willing to have someone tell me that I.

That because I'm a woman, I can't.

Right.

That's not acceptable.

Because I don't have that gift set because I'm not called to, because I'm not anointed to, because I don't have favor, because the door isn't open.

Give me any other reason, but don't say it's just because I'm a girl and not a guy.

Right.

That is sexist.

That's the kind of sexism I don't like.

Yeah.

I don't like when somebody.

Somebody brings me down.

See, that's the thing.

I think you said it.

I think you said it correctly earlier.

I did.

I don't.

I want.

Yeah.

Because I don't want.

I don't want to be denied access because of someone else's label of what they think I am when they don't know me.

Like, God knows me.

Yeah.

And, you know, there was a. I wrote it down.

I wrote a lot of things down in which you wrote.

Because the invitation was really.

Was really like, wow.

And then the introduction was like, whoa.

So I. I know that another thought that I wrote was, this speaks to me because my journey to understand the Lord better.

The label of a feminist is not described as a cross Christ follower.

You know, And I get that.

And in the general world.

And so by reading your book, it allowed.

It gave me permission to.

But it's not even permission.

I gave you a better definition, correct?

Yes.

Yes.

I told you that the word female is not dependent on the word mail.

You don't need a man to get to God.

Yes.

You can have a relationship with them all by yourself.

Just open your Bible.

You don't need any guy to validate what you know the Bible's telling you to do.

Yeah.

Follow the Bible, read it for yourself, and you will be amazed at how much God loves you and how much he's able to talk to you.

Yes.

And just because he talks to you differently about a verse than somebody else doesn't mean that you're wrong.

Yes.

And, you know, oh, my gosh, let me put this book down.

That.

That is such a powerful statement.

Because the one message that I feel that we need to express is I don't.

I don't need you to agree.

I want you to understand.

And those are two Distinctly different things.

So the word understand.

Yeah.

Okay, so in Judaism, okay, Wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

I want you to think of it as upright, okay?

All wisdom comes from God.

So if you read your Bible, you're going to be wiser than someone who doesn't read your Bible, period.

Because wisdom is all from God.

We don't have wisdom, we have to seek it.

Because wisdom comes from God.

Because God's the only one who knows whether or not the decision you're making right now is.

Is wise.

A year from now, you don't know what to.

What tomorrow is going to bring.

And I don't care how many people think they can prophesy into your future.

The fact is they're not there.

God is there.

And God is the only one who really knows what's going to happen to you.

Other people don't know.

That's a fallacy.

They.

You can have an inkling God, but if God speaks to you in your Bible and says, this is the trajectory I want you to follow, you don't understand all of it because God is bigger.

His thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

His ways are higher than our ways.

So think about it as a vertical.

Okay?

Okay.

So wisdom comes from God.

All wisdom.

So if you need to know what's going on, you ask God.

Open your Bible and ask God.

Understanding is you rising to meet the wisdom of God.

Your understanding is what's growing in you.

It's the net.

It's the synapses firing in your brain.

It's you coming to understand.

It's comprehending what he's saying.

It's recognizing the word.

It's seeing something you didn't see before.

That's what understanding is.

Okay.

Understanding is something that.

That grows in you.

But the knowledge of God.

The knowledge of God is the relationship you have with God so that those two were worlds come together so that heaven and earth meet.

That's the goal.

Oh, you know what?

That brings a better.

Because the Bible verse that I'm thinking in my mind is be or part of it is beyond my understanding.

So when you read a verse and you're like, God, I don't understand what this means.

I don't see what you want me to see.

You ask God because a human is going to read that verse to you and they're going to add things to it.

Yeah.

Let me give you an example.

Okay.

We just read a problematic verse for us girls in First Timothy.

Yeah.

And it says here, I'm just going to write that.

This is so cool because I never Thought about this before.

You're bending my brain so you're fun to talk to.

It says here, with a complete respect for order.

A complete respect for order.

Okay, let me give you just a little the room.

Hold on.

So believe it or not, the rainbow, which is a sign of God's covenant, has an order to it.

And when you color code like us girls do, girls color code like freak shows, like I color code my calendar.

I did a biblical calendar.

It's super popular.

It's on sale on our website right now.

And I have a color coded.

I did a color coding system of the biblical calendar on top of a Gregorian calendar.

It's super cool.

And I do like daytimers, not, excuse me, planners and all those things.

So I do biblical lifestyle planners because the year is actually binary.

Also, it's seed time and harvest.

There's not four seasons, there's just two.

Right.

So I'm really into the whole timing thing.

Right.

But it.

When it says here that, that we women receive training in quiet demeanor with the complete respect for order.

Do you have any idea how disrespectful it is to put the rainbow out of order and say it's a rainbow, it ain't a rainbow if it doesn't have seven colors in it and it doesn't go red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet.

That is the spectrum of color that God takes with white light takes light, right?

And that white light is.

That pierces the darkness if you put it through a prism, like a cone in your eye, like the first.

Oh, super cool.

So in your eye when you see, the first thing you see is there's rods and cones.

Rods, point, point, rod shows you the difference between black and white.

But cones, a megaphone, right, tells you the difference between color.

So when light passes through a prism, that's when the rain, the spectrum of light comes.

And to know that that light has an order is respecting God.

When you utilize it in how you learn.

God gave you that system of order.

The rainbow is a system of order.

So does it make any.

Does it is, does it?

Why wouldn't people confuse the rainbow and then say that God doesn't?

God's creation, God didn't create you the way you were supposed to be created.

As I look outside, like, yeah, am I right?

Right.

You're right.

How much have we mangled the rainbow over the year?

Like for the past decade, you've got rainbows being made, every color all confused, and kids think those are rainbows.

That's not a rainbow.

A rainbow has an Order to it and respecting that order is how your brain learns to put one thing ahead of another.

So if you just start thinking about the fact that if there's only two in line.

Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.

There's only two.

Yeah.

Right.

Then there's no shade.

That one's more important than the other.

It's just whether you're walking in a straight line or whether you're walking side by side.

Yeah.

Wow.

It's very cool.

It is very cool.

You realize that God is so in love with you and he just wants to make things plain.

Just open your Bible.

Yeah, I can tell that you open your Bible because I can see your brain working.

So what's next, friend?

What else did you want to talk about?

Okay, I.

All right.

Time is really getting away from me.

This is my only question that I wrote.

Okay, great.

My only question is because you.

It was written.

The Bible was never created to control people.

Here we go.

Here we go.

The Bible was never written to control people with religion.

The Bible is a handbook for living life at peace with others.

And I.

My question is, how can we help our brothers and sisters see this view?

Wow.

It's a big question.

In Hebrew, the word shalom, the word for peace means nothing missing, nothing broken.

When, when God's spirit hovered over the chaos and waste in the beginning of creation, you have to be willing to understand that God created the chaos and the waste.

You have to be willing to know that when things are difficult and when things are tough, it's part of you being restored to God when you allow him in his spirit into those situations to take what was chaos, what was ashes, what was destruction in your life and bring life out of it.

If you think about what I mean, we're girls.

Yeah.

We know that, that, you know, the, the cycle of the moon.

Right.

Affects our body and that our body creates according to that four week cycle.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we know.

So how is it that.

That the very thing that, that we look at and like, what is this mess about?

Yeah.

God turns that into you and me.

Like, he takes the chaos and waste and it's like.

It's like having a bucket of Legos and he could build anything out of it, but he builds you.

Yeah.

And if we could understand that shalom or peace means knowing that the God that created you with all your flaws, with all your imperfections, with all the things that, that you can't make sense of, you're on the road to recovery.

Covery.

Covering is the word for covenant.

The Bible is a Covenant God made to restore you.

This, this.

These words are meant to restore you and to set you free.

To show you the things in your life that aren't working right.

You being.

Okay, simple one, real simple.

Yeah.

You're mad at your parents.

They sucked out.

You had a horrible childhood.

You have every reason to be angry at them.

Okay, that describes what, 50 of the population, if not more.

90% of the population.

All parents make mistakes, right?

Because.

Because parenting, it's hard.

It's just hard growing people, it's complicated.

Right?

But, you know, no matter what it was that you were born into, you know, my dad was a heroin addict.

My mother was a single mom and an alcoholic.

We didn't have money.

I wasn't raised learning the Bible.

I gave my life to Jesus in a jail cell.

There was literally nothing unusual or fabulous about my life.

I'm just like everybody else on the planet.

I don't have what I need.

I'm born needy.

The Bible says that we're born good.

I know that.

The church doesn't say that.

I know that the whole point of preaching about evangelism is that you need Jesus because you were born into a fallen world.

But you weren't born fallen.

You were born good.

You just were also born needy.

And from the moment you were born, you needed someone to love you and to take care of you.

And if the person who was supposed to love you and take care of you was not God himself holding you in his arms, whoever he gave you to parent you was second to Him.

But he was their God, too, and he was able to restore them, and he's able to restore you, recognizing that we all fall short of the glory of God because we're all born needing Him.

There's an altar of your heart inside you.

There's a space that's been created inside you where only God fits.

Where only his spirit is.

I don't really know where it is, if I'm being honest.

It's somewhere between the two trees in the garden.

It's somewhere between your heart and your mind.

Somewhere between your brain and your heart, brain and your lungs.

Actually, if I'm being technical, somewhere between your brain and your lungs is where your soul is.

And that the part of you that's spiritual, that you can't see and you can't grab a hold of, is just as alive as the part that gets hugged when your mom gives you a big squeeze.

Yeah.

And she knew your soul way before you did.

And she may not have done it great.

And she might have Made a hundred mistakes.

But the mistake she made is only because she's hurting too.

Humanity is not.

It's not God.

We are created for a purpose, but more importantly were created for relationship.

And if we women and our voice isn't part of the conversation, then it's just a works mentality, religious construct that the Bible gives you permission to hold over somebody's head.

I just don't believe that.

I believe that these words, you know, I don't know if most Christians know this, but the Bible was literally out of print.

It was carried orally by the Jewish people for a thousand years.

One human to speaking it to another human faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

If there were no Bibles and all you knew was one chapter and had that memorized, do we love each other enough to share the whole book with each other?

That's really what it comes down to.

The Bible is not like every other book.

It is the words of life.

Wow.

Well said.

Yeah.

This is a.

This is really God's words.

Really?

They're really his words.

He really loves you and he wants to talk to you all the time.

Time.

Just open it up and read it.

You'll be so blessed because he loves you so much.

He's not trying to hide himself from you.

He's not.

He not.

I don't know what.

I don't know what to say after that.

That.

That was well said.

I really honestly don't know what to say after that.

Well, Ashley, tell me what it is you're trying to do with this broadcast.

You picked a.

Really.

Because I want to say there were female shepherdesses all the time.

Yeah.

So if you.

So if you know what, if you don't know what a pastor is, go back to the Old Testament.

Yeah, that is a true statement.

You don't know what a judge is.

Go back and see Deborah.

Yeah, that is a true statement.

I. I don't even know what to say after that.

It's like, how do you.

What is your.

What is your heart behind the black sheep Christian?

Oh, okay.

Oh, you're giving me a question.

Oh, yeah.

I want.

Because obviously you want to know God for yourself and you want to provide a platform for people to be able to encounter him without all the religious trappings that can make it really difficult to feel heard and to feel valued.

Correct.

And we have the same heart in that.

Because I could have called the book Daughters of God and all the wonderful Christians would have bought it.

Yeah.

But I don't really want to just reach Them because they have access to a Bible.

Yeah.

I would like to tell people who've never read it, guess what?

Y' all read it.

Yeah.

And by the way, read it in the TLV and sing it and.

And draw and paint it, and whatever you have to do to get close to God, do it.

But his words are right on the page.

Right.

Agree.

There's nothing keeping you from reading it for yourself.

So I think that's.

So tell me.

Just give me a little bit more about.

Yeah, most definitely.

With.

I mean, it's a stereotype with black sheep, but.

And with that stereotype, the message is, is that those who don't think, feel.

Those who feel that don't fit the norm of a typical Christian and a platform to be able to talk about those.

It's a platform to be able for those who feel that they're not part of the community to still know that they have a relationship with Christ.

It may look different for them, and that is okay.

But at the end of the day, I don't want people to not follow Christ because of church.

Hurt.

Most definitely.

A lot of people are out there with that.

The, The.

The.

The church may have hurt you, but God is there, and he says that he loves you.

God.

For you not to go to church isn't because of God.

It's because of the people who prevented you from having a relationship with God.

And so I want to create a platform for people to still be able to have that relationship with Christ.

But it just looks different.

It just looks different.

So let me encourage you with this, okay?

You know, I. I want you to know that.

That there is a.

That people forget, okay.

That when the Bible was written down, it was written on animal skins.

People forget that.

That animal skins don't have cell walls like plants.

So if you go back into antiquity and look for writings.

So think about.

Think about slave and free.

Right.

You and me got the Jew gentile thing going.

Because I'm assuming you're a gentile and I'm Jewish.

Right.

So we got the Jew and gentile.

Right?

Right.

We got black and white.

Right.

Yeah.

We got the we, but we also got the slave and free.

Yeah.

Because I'm gonna tell you the truth.

The truth is that the Jewish people were enslaved.

Yeah.

And everything about their slavery was made public for the whole world.

Because the first commandment said, I am Adonai, who brought you by the hand and led you out of Egypt.

Christianity started the Ten Commandments, the next verse, but that's not what it is in Jewish Bibles.

Okay, Jewish Bibles.

The first commandment is.

The first commandment is you were a slave.

Wow.

Did you know that?

No, I never read it.

First of the Ten Commandments.

You need to get a tlv.

Can I send you a tlv?

A gift from me?

You're gonna give me yourself.

Get off the air.

You're gonna give me your cell number and I'm gonna send you a Bible.

But I'm being totally serious here.

When it says neither slave nor free, we, because we're in America, we think of slavery a certain way.

Right?

Right.

And we're hurt by that.

And it makes us feel less than right.

But realize that every Passover, everyone who follows the God of the Bible gets to be free.

So freedom from sin is also freedom from slavery.

That's why Paul talked about it that way.

But if you go back to the original in the Hebrew, and I'm not talking about dissecting the language, I'm just talking about misunderstandings because of verse numbering or culture or what somebody taught you.

So people teach you that the Ten Commandments start with, you'll have no other God before me that's Christian.

If you want to start the Ten Commandments where Jewish people start them, it's I am Adonai, who brought you by the hand and led you out of Egypt.

And he promises us four things every Passover.

I will bring you out, I will free you, I will redeem you, and I will take you as my own.

That is literally the steps to salvation.

And it's for everybody who believes.

So when those words were written on tablets of stone, the stone broke.

The stone gets worn by weather.

When you write that on papyrus, they wrote it in Egypt and it stayed in Egypt.

Papyrus doesn't last as long as skins because papyrus has cell walls.

It breaks and it cracks.

But skins live to the three and four generations of regular reading and not coming apart.

Wow.

That's why your faith in Messiah is not just for you.

It's you and your whole household will be saved.

And that salvation is multi generational.

That's why Jews call him the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Because if you go back and read, he says exactly the same promise to all three generations.

He does.

So if people would come to understand that reading their Bible for themselves, they go, oh my gosh.

Exactly the same words that were given, that were given to Abraham, were given to Isaac.

The same words were given to Jacob.

The same words, exactly.

Yes.

Because your faith is not just for you.

Yeah.

You are set free so that your children will be free.

But that's on you to teach them.

That's on you to teach them.

So if somebody taught somebody in your life that you're not welcome in this community or you're not good enough, or you're not smart enough, or you're not bright enough, or you're not white enough, I don't care what the answer was.

The fact is we were all, we all fall short of God's glory.

We all are born needy.

And if we would just give the reins to God, we just say, you know what, I'm not going to let anything on my heart.

That's not you.

Then you go back and you read and you see the generations of what happens when you let yourself get defiled, when you make bad choices.

Your choices are up to you.

You can't do anything about your parents choices but you can change yours.

And that's why Yeshua is so powerful and why what you're doing is really important.

Well said.

It's been so great talking to you, Ashley.

Seriously, you're just a gem and I'll talk to you anytime you want to.

You need to know anything about the Bible, you have a question, just text me.

God is so able to help.

There is more than enough help out there for people who want to get close to Messiah.

Thank you.

Thank you for that.

Time has really left.

This hour has passed so quickly.

I just want to thank you for joining me today.

It the book is called Biblical Feminism.

It is on Amazon.

I do recommend getting this book.

I have really read it through.

It is, it is a good read and I really and when I say I read it through I had plenty of time because I had a 10 hour car ride so I have plenty of time to read.

But it was a great read and I do recommend people to read it in order to get just because as we talked about it before it I can't even remember the words because as I said it it's a statement where we are anointed.

It is a new it is my words are leaving me Jesus.

It's a great read because Biblical Feminism is a great book to learn about who we are as women and what purpose God has for us, for us and men because you know, it has that little thing for the guys at the end.

So it is a great brief for everybody.

But I am so blessed.

What I just want to say I am blessed and honored to be able to have this moment with you, to be able to speak with you, to, to learn from you and I am grateful that you.

Because you wrote it yourself, that you in the book, that you were kind of mulling, contemplating about how this book will be written.

And I am grateful that.

That you took that time to write this.

Ashley, thank you so much for having me.

Thank you for hearing my art.

Thank you so much for what you're doing.

I know God wants to set his daughters free.

Yeah.

And I hope that, you know I grew up in the town in the hometown of Susan B. Anthony.

I was raised believing in all that feminist stuff.

And at the end of the day, God is the one.

Yeah.

Who tells me who I am.

And I don't have to let anybody else label me ever.

And so go where you're celebrated.

I celebrate you today.

It's been such a pleasure being here, Ashley.

You have a fantastic day.

Yeah.

Oh.

So, anyways, to my viewers, thank you for joining us.

I am blessed for you to want that you're watching.

And remember, God is love, and God wants you to show his love to the world.

Until next time.

Later.