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The Mick McDermott Podcast

In this week’s episode, Evan invites Mick McDermott on to the show. Mick is an online health and wellness coach, as well as the host of the Mick McDermott podcast where Mick is currently traveling around Ireland interviewing people with incredible mindsets and highlighting the amazing people of Ireland.

In this episode, Evan and Mick speak about how they met in Ecuador and what role travel has played in changing the way they see the world. They also dive deep into the mentality shifts that have helped them to grow as people and show up as their best self everyday. Leaning into the uncomfortable and learning that the thing that may be causing you the most pain in life, might just be the best teacher you never knew that you needed.

Be sure to stay tuned till the end of the episode for the actionable steps portion of the episode that helps you to implement the knowledge of this episode into your life. As always, do everything with good intentions and connect to your elements.

Disclaimer:

This podcast is for educational purposes only, it is not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. Evan Roberts is not a medical professional and this podcast is provided on the understanding that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. Statements and views expressed on this show are not medical advice, this podcast, including Evan Roberts and any guests on the show, disclaims responsibility for any possible adverse effects from the use of information contained in this episode. If you think you have a medical problem please consult a medical professional.

everyone.

Welcome back to the elemental.

I've been podcast.

This is your host, Evan Roberts.

And on this podcast, I simplify complex health topics from a holistic perspective.

On today's episode, I'm joined by my good friend, Mick McDermott.

MC is an online health and wellness coach.

And I actually met him in Ecuador of all places, even though

he's actually from Ireland.

And yes, we do speak a little bit about how we met for anyone interested.

But more importantly, we talk about what role mentality has played in our lives and

how it has benefited our mental health.

Now mental health is a major focus of today's world.

And while a mentality shift might not be the fix all for mental health.

It's a great place to start and has personally helped me when dealing

with stressful and difficult times.

In this episode, you'll learn about what role travel has played

in changing how we view the world.

And how the thing that is causing you the most pain in life

might just be the best teacher.

You never knew you needed.

In this episode as with all episodes we end with actionable steps to put all

the knowledge contained in this episode into action that way you're not just

listening to this podcast but actually growing from this podcast i hope you all

enjoyed this episode as much as i enjoyed recording it and let's get into the show.

Well, hey, , for those of you joining us today, this is Mick McDermick.

, honestly, amazing guy.

Love the way we met.

We'll, , probably dive into it a little bit here.

, but Mick, if you want to just, , introduce yourself in any way, , Yeah, whatever

you wanna let the listeners know about.

Yeah.

So as you can tell folks, I am from Ireland.

Um, I'm going to have to make sure I speak slow because I actually lived

in California for a year and, and so many times people could not understand

me because my accent's very strong.

So I'll try and make sure I fill out my words and speak, speak properly, but yeah.

31.

And I'm a health and wellness coach.

Um, I've been doing that for the last close to five years now,

and I've a massive passion for travel, which is how me and Evan

crossed paths on South America.

Um, so that trip alone, like even meeting people like you and so many

other people I met, that was like a life changing trip that actually helped me.

Transfer from the job I was doing.

It was like a construction job project manager into the health and

wellness and it was nearly, I look back now, it was by accident because

people think is like, oh, did you have such a passion for that there?

I'm being honest, I sort of feel a bit of a, a bit of a, not a hypocrite,

but I'm like, I nearly get into it.

For the love of traveling, I realized this was one way that I could travel full time.

I wanted to live that digital nomad lifestyle and I realized

having tried two other business ventures on field miserably.

I still didn't give up on that dream of working remotely and that

laptop lifestyle and then whatever.

I had recently just finished a, a program with another coach and I was

so interested with all the stuff that he was teaching me and was all ready,

interested in like, I was listening to podcast and reading books and all

this, and I was like, hold on here.

I could actually like do this with one of my friends and just, I was like, why

not get qualified and then get qualified?

Thought nothing of it.

I booked a one way ticket to Columbia and quit my job and literally packed

everything into a backpack, cleared out my savings, and it ended up being,

uh, 18 months life changing journey that has yeah, led me to set up my own

coaching business and has left me to be back home in Ireland now currently, um,

traveling around a van that I con recently converted over the winter and I'm now

doing my own podcast from it, um, as I.

Explore the, the hidden jams around the magical places, Ireland.

So that's a, a very short, probably long summary.

No, no, that was perfect.

Uh, Mick, I didn't, I knew you traveled for a long time.

I did not realize it was 18 months though.

, It's also pretty awesome that you did it solo.

Like for example, I, I travel with Ashley every time, and so I always

have someone to rely on to share a room with, like, whatever it may be.

And fortunately enough, we met people like you and, uh, we met Ben and Tiani,

the Australians that we stayed with a lot, you know, and so for you, was it

ever lonely, like doing the traveling?

Like what was it like for you?

Yeah, like I feel like you get waves of loneliness.

And again, at the time I probably didn't notice it because I look back

to when I went to South America.

And to go back to one of your other questions in terms

of like, did I miss home?

I feel like I was running away from home, and I can see that very clearly now

with the more work I'd done on myself.

So that's why I probably wasn't rushing home compared to other

people, because I maybe didn't see.

Home in the lens that I see it now, and I feel like I've changed my perspective and

changed my attitude towards that there.

So that's probably one of the things that I probably did have loneliness,

but I didn't really allow myself to even acknowledge it or see it.

I probably didn't see it.

I didn't have the self-awareness that I have now because like even traveling

around Ireland in the van, Like anywhere in Ireland, it's too small.

You're like maybe four hours from home, like four hours drive.

So it's nothing.

So like, no matter how far I am from home, if I get really down or really

lonely, I can always drive home.

And there's been times where I've maybe been like one, a couple of days on my own

in the van and then you're like, oh, I just wasn't mind, you know, being around

familiar faces, people, you know, but I just realized that like those, those

the common waves and then it passes and.

I think I'm able just to sit with it and I, I feel like I'm able to, I feel

like all these things come to teach you something, no matter what the emotion is.

It's like, okay, right.

Why am I slightly disconnected at the minute?

And then if it's loneliness, I'm like, okay, right.

I haven't had enough social connection or I haven't had enough human connection, so

I need to like try and find that and then you can find it no matter where you are.

Like even if you go into a town and you don't know anyone, you

go into a cafe and I think it's.

It's like anything, we spoke about this before we hit record.

The energy that you put out, if you go in and you're very open and you know.

Then people are going to be a bit more receptive to that there, and

you know, what's this to talk about?

The rule of reciproc reciprocity.

If I mm-hmm.

I butcher to say that, no, no, you're good, but what,

what you give, you get back.

You know what I mean?

And I feel like it's, it's a, it's the currency in every

single country you go to.

And it's, it's taken me a long time to even realize that at home, because I

feel like when I come home, I would go more into myself, I'd be more insular.

But when I left Ireland, I would be more outgoing.

I'd be more, I would nearly change as a person.

And that's why I think I was always reluctant to come home because I

always went back into my old self, which I didn't like, and when I went

away, I was able to nearly, you're nearly able to reinvent yourself.

But I feel like I've, I've reinvented myself from going, traveling.

It's taught me so much, but I'm able to, I'm still actively working on it,

but trying to be as authentic as I can.

When I'm around Ireland, I'm not changing just the.

Fit in because, um, I hope that makes sense.

Oh, no, actually, Nick, , you're really connecting with me, , deeply right now.

'cause uh, it makes me think of when you come back to a familiar

place, even if you've only been gone for like a week, it's almost

like you can set a new schedule.

You can have almost new habits because you're in a new area and, you know, your

life is almost just different in that way.

And so , I've noticed that when I've come back, maybe I have like a daily

routine and maybe there's things in that routine that I'm not super happy about.

Maybe it's waking up early and being on my phone for a little

bit, or whatever it may be.

Like, it's just habits that are not serving me in any way, helping me to grow.

And so then when I leave and I don't do those things, I'm able to like,

change my schedule, have different habits, and they're just better.

I notice that when I come back, it's almost like.

Your body remembers this space and like what, your routine was

and, and how everything goes.

And so I notice like when I do come back, I have to still be very active

and conscious about it to make sure that I don't fall back into that pattern.

Um, so I definitely a hundred percent understand what you're saying there.

It's, uh, it can be hard to reinvent yourself and I think the, the space

around you plays a big role, I think.

Um, yeah.

Right, like cha, like, like you changing your space with the van.

Like even for me it's like cleaning my house, right?

And the small things.

That's it.

Evan.

I think that's like, and one of the biggest things for me is like,

Like just traveling in general.

I feel like it's a, it's one of the best educations.

Like, I went to university, I went to like school and like, I wouldn't count

myself someone that's very intelligent in terms of book smart, but like, I

feel like I've got, like the education that I've got from traveling alone, I,

I like, I feel like when you're, when you go solo traveling, it's taught me so

much about myself and I feel Len, when, you know, So much more about yourself.

It, it, it changes the way that you nearly approach any situation.

Like even just small things like my relationship with failure now, I feel like

I've such a bad relationship with failure.

Like it doesn't scare me as much now because I'm able to put myself out

there if it's a podcast or jumping on Instagram and doing a video or stuff

like that because I realize that you're going to get so much from it and you

know, It's, I, I feel like when you put yourself into those things at, uh,

some level of discomfort, you're gonna grow as a person in so many aspects.

And that's where I realize is like, that's where you, you're nearly reinventing

yourself because when you're changing your environment, you're seeing that

there's a different world outside of, like, in Ireland here, as beautiful as

it is, there's a lot of narrow-mindedness and like, you know, people from

the same town that haven't left it.

And then, When you go traveling, you change as a person, but when

you come back, nothing's changed.

And that's probably one of the hardest things that I've had to try and work on

in the sense that, so that you don't go back into your old habits in your old

ways, that maybe habits that weren't serving you, habits that were destructive.

Like one example that comes to mind is like, it would've been out like

binge drinking a lot when I was younger, whereas now I just do, I

don't have the same value for it.

Like I still go out and drink and enjoy, you know, uh,

meeting up with friends, but.

It's just not something that I've put up high in my list of values,

whereas compared to getting out and hiking a mountain that lights

me up, that just fills my soul.

And I'm like, two of them is two extremes.

Whereas if you had asked me five, six years ago, even before I went

to South America, drinking would've been a lot higher, and hiking a

mountain would've been down here.

I had no interest.

So again, it's just like, I feel like it's cyclical.

Like as in life, you just, you start to change and you develop different

interests and you know, it's, it comes with, it comes with the agent.

Yeah.

Uh, it's pretty funny you mentioned the, the alcohol, because

that's something for me as well.

Like, I'm not as big of a drinker, as I used to be.

Like, honestly, I mean this is, this is bad, but towards high

school, you know, like under age.

But, um, it's funny, like once I became of age, I like Oh yes.

'cause you are 21 9 years.

Yeah.

21.

Yeah.

Um, yeah.

See we're attaining Ireland.

I keep forgetting that.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know.

It's, uh, Yeah, that's a whole other topic we could get into.

Yeah.

We'll, not, we'll not to open up any lawsuits here, Evan.

Don't worry.

Yeah, no, no..

And I think that the thing that I've realized too is like, I look back

to the times that I was drinking excessively, and it, I link it

back to like my self-confidence.

It probably.

Was nowhere near where it is now.

I feel like I'm a lot more secure in myself that I could

go on a night out sober.

I don't need to drink because I'm like, when you're a lot more authentic, then

like if someone doesn't like you or you don't need the people, please.

Now this is not me saying that I've all this figured out.

I feel like it's something that I'm always actively working on.

But I have done it so many in times in the last few years where you

know, I can go out and not worry about a drink and I don't need it.

I feel like I can.

Have that connection without it.

But in the past I realized that connection with, without even knowing this, but

looking back now, I love Steve Jobs quote where I was like, you, you can

only connect the dots looking backwards.

And I feel like that's very true and so many things we all see in hindsight.

But I look back and it's like, When I was always going to like nights out

or parties or things like that, it was to have that sense of connection.

But everyone else was binge drinking, so I was like, like a herd

mentality, just follow everyone else.

So I would've been drunk as well, or I never actually enjoyed it, whereas

now I can see, I don't actually enjoy this here, but I do enjoy connection.

So I can still go out and maybe not, you don't have to be

doing what everyone else does.

And I feel like I've adapted that approach into other aspects of just even.

Opinions that I have or perspectives that I have, like my perspective

on how to live life would maybe be so different to say some of my

family, like my immediate family.

But I'm like, that's okay.

Is like in the past I would've been maybe more shaped to the way they

think, whereas I'm just like, no.

Like everyone has their own way they live and I'm like the none

neither's right or wrong, but it's just doing what feels right by you.

And I don't know, I feel like I'm trying to just lean more in the.

That sort of authenticity, which it's, as I said, it's work in progress.

But, um, even by doing these podcasts, by even hosting the podcast, I

feel like I'm growing more into it.

And you, I don't know, can you relate to that though, when you're doing the

episodes with people, like you're picking up so many golden nuggets and just even,

it doesn't even need to be a podcast.

It could be somebody on the street that you meet.

I feel like you can learn something from everybody.

Yeah, absolutely Mick.

I think, , that's been my favorite thing about doing a podcast is I, like, I do a

lot of solo episodes and I enjoy those.

'cause it's like a, it's almost like a research for me, but when I speak

with someone like you, man, it's, it's just so cool to hear people's

opinions , and views on life , and the different ways that they, you know,

different things they bring to the table.

. I mean, honestly, I've literally, I have a notebook here right now because there's,

there's times where I'm listening and I'm just like, dang, that's so good.

And, and I'll, I'll have to jot that down.

, so yeah, I, I absolutely love that.

But also one thing , I like to make that you said is, um, and you've said this in

the past, but , you know, talking with, like drinking for example, um mm-hmm.

You know, I think both you and I understand that like alcohol is obviously

like not good for the body, like it's a poison, blah, blah, blah, all that.

But I think there is also, um, you know, people, they see me and they're

like, oh man, This guy never drinks.

Right.

Because that's what he talks about on his podcast and all that.

But I think people don't understand like life is all a balance as well.

Right.

And so , do I go drink a beer regularly?

No, I really don't.

But will I go out once every couple months like with some friends

or something and have a beer?

Absolutely.

Like I am totally open to it.

I still enjoy the flavor of certain beers, you know?

Yeah.

And I think there's such a balance , and you did a great job with, , from what

I saw in terms of like when you were, when you're working with clients, you

know, you want to eat healthy most of the time, but at the end of the

day, like we live in a modern world.

, you're going to go out, you're going to, you don't want to be that person that's

always like, sorry, can't, can't do that.

Can't do that.

And I mean, if you aren't, that's fine.

Like, you have amazing boundaries for yourself, that's awesome.

But I'm, I'm a pretty big believer in like still enjoying the little things

in life, but in moderation, right.

Oh, a hundred percent.

And I think that's the thing is like it's bringing it back

to why are you doing something?

And like there's some of my friends that truly love the taste of alcohol and that's

why they'd maybe drink a bit more than me.

Whereas I don't actually enjoy the taste of it.

So I think for me, that's why I probably don't drink that much casually.

But that being said, there's times where the, because the way I look

at, um, health is like, use your physical health, use your mental

health, gives your emotional health.

You have your spiritual health and then you have your social health.

So like your social health is also so important, and that's what I always

say to people is like, especially if I was working with my clients, I'm

like, don't be missing nights out or parties or anything that is going

to also fill your cup up because that's part of your health as well.

Now that does not mean that.

You say yes to every single party and go and get blackout drunk.

But it means that you, you can still say yes to every meetup, but you're maybe

more intentional with your choices.

And if your friends are drinking two drinks to every one of your drinks,

then that means that you're, you know, you're maybe drinking 50% less.

It's just making those small changes.

But again, it's bringing it back to that, like just being intentional

with your choices and realizing that health is multidimensional.

It's not just, I think that people look at health on us just like physical health.

And mental health.

And it's good that mental health become a lot more talked about on both our podcast,

but it goes so much deeper than that too.

And I think then when you can see it from that sort of, do you know that it's

a lot of different layers, then you're always trying to make sure, okay, right,

have I got enough social connection?

Because you could be the fittest, strongest person.

On in LA go down to Venice Beach and but you absolutely rip to

pieces but maybe have no friends and be crippled with loneliness.

And I'm like, that's not a life worth living in my opinion.

Whereas if you could be maybe slightly higher body fat percentage, you maybe

have a few drinks at the weekend, but you're going out with friends,

you're more balanced across the board.

You might be at 80% in all those areas.

You're not just like 95% in three of them.

And then the other two are basically.

Five, 10%.

You know, it's, and it goes back to what you said, finding that

balance in all areas of life.

So I, I think that's where we maybe sync up Evan, is like, we're trying

to take a very holistic approach.

Yeah.

, absolutely.

And, and, uh, I, I love that , you were going with the social aspect of it

because, , I remember, I, I did a podcast episode on this , and, , I can't remember

the exact figures and everything, but it was a, I believe it was a study done

by, I wanna say Harvard, and it's like one of the longest studies that was

ever done where they took, , I think it was just men, but they took 'em from,

uh, like some people from Harvard.

So from like a higher, , economic background.

And then they took people from the inner city, right?

And so you had people from different income levels and then they tracked

them over the course of their life and saw who lived the longest, . What

played the biggest role and what they ended up finding was regardless

of your income level, who you're born, like whatever, like any of the

situations that you're born into.

The best thing for a long life, or the thing that led to the longest lives was

having really quality relationships.

And so exactly what you were saying.

Like you could be the most shredded person, right?

Eating like the just strictest diet possible.

But if you have zero friends or you know, just people to like spend some

time with, I mean, that's, that's gonna take a toll on your health.

Like you said, it's multidimensional.

Really?

Yeah.

And that's, have you ever heard of the Blue Zones Evan?

Yeah.

Yeah, like I love that there because like obviously there is some form of

physical aspect, there's obviously some form of nutrition, but there's, they

focus heavily on that sense of community.

They all eat their meals together, they harvest the crops together and it's,

again, it's that sense of belonging.

There's something bigger, and I dunno what it's like in la, but Ireland.

It has that, but I feel like it's, it is, it's losing that in the sense that there's

not as that much of a sense of community.

Now, it depends on the context.

There is obviously groups out there, but in maybe in years going by, it would've

been like the whole town would've been so much sense of belonging because.

You didn't have anything else outside of that.

You had nothing else to compare it to.

You weren't looking at, uh, social media.

You literally just had what was on your, your doorstep and you made the most of it.

So, I don't know, maybe that's something that we all, um, need to,

you know, start to prioritize more of, because I've been guilty of it in the

past too, where I've neglected the.

Social connections, you know, 'cause of the busyness of life.

And you know, you're like, oh, I'll meet up with friends next week and

next week and next week and you know, weeks go by and you maybe

haven't seen some of your friends.

And, um, I feel like there's always you, I feel like you need to carve that time out.

You need to be intentional.

Again, just going back to that, being intentional with it,

because months can pass by.

And you look back and go, oh my God, I haven't seen, uh, anyone that I'm close

to, you know, 'cause of I'm working on a podcast or I'm working on a business.

But it's, it's, it doesn't make it okay either.

Do you know, I think you have to make these things a priority and

again, just find that balance.

. Yeah, definitely.

I think, , the US and I'm not sure how it is in Ireland, but from what you

just said, are similar in a lot of ways.

And like you said, it depends on the part of the country, the community, all that.

But you know, definitely it's common to, you know, like

not even know your neighbor.

And I remember I saw.

I saw this video where, , this guy from New York was out in, uh, Africa, and

he went and visited a tribe out there.

And, the, like the head, like chief, I guess, was talking to him and he

was like, Uh, he was like, what, what kind of like, community do you live in?

And he was like, yeah, no, I live in a big building, probably 300

people in that building, you know?

And he was like, wow, wow.

Okay.

Like a, like a lot of people.

He's like, oh, do you guys all meet and talk and everything?

He's like, no, no.

, I actually don't really even know who I live next to.

And the guy's face was just , he just couldn't believe it.

He was like, wait, what?

Like how do you live next to each other and , never communicate?

'cause to them, if you live next to someone . You're, you're feeding that

person, you're helping in some way.

Like community is not a choice.

, it's a necessity, right?

Yeah.

Um, it's wild.

And I feel, I feel that that's, that's a, a great point that we've

lost that, that we no longer rely on.

Our neighbors we're so sa sufficient, but it's actually come outta a

detriment of the community aspect because maybe in the past you would've

been like, okay, I have no milk.

I'm gonna go to my neighbor's, or I need a, hel a hand of something.

Whereas like, Yeah, like that's such a great point, and I think it does exist.

I feel like it probably exists more in like the smaller towns in Ireland,

whereas maybe the same in America, big cities, it's not going to be as apparent.

But again, it's down the likes of me and you two, you know, even just by.

Slowing down and trying to get to know the people.

And I think that's one thing I realized is like you can sit here and you know,

talk about all these things and complain about it, but I'm like, you're also in

somewhat control of, you can have that we small ripple effect of talking to that

person that you meet in the local shop or starting that conversation and actually

do, you know, practicing what you preach.

It doesn't mean that it's going to, the whole town's going to become

real tight-knit community, but it means then that at least you're.

Living and breathing what you say you're missing because I don't know.

I think then it's, you're a bit of a hypocrite if you're just

complaining about not having it where you could still have an impact.

, a hundred percent Mick.

, I think we need to take control of what we have control of.

Right.

And that's like our actions.

, but I also, definitely wanted to ask you this 'cause we were, you were

chatting a little bit about like the different dimensions of, of health

and for example, you were talking about mental health and for me, like.

I think something that I know you're into but is not as well known is

just more like mentality, right?

, the mentality of, like you were saying when you in, in Ireland, and we have

this in the US where people can be very narrow-minded 'cause they've literally

like never left their state right.

Or whatever it may be.

And so, , they just don't know what's beyond them.

And , for example, with travel, , I know that I've, , looking back on it

now, I realize the mentality shifts that I had while traveling because my

eyes were open to, , different things.

, and so , I'm very curious to hear what were some of your biggest , mentality

shifts from travel, but I definitely, I want to say, , two of my biggest ones,

especially from South America, was.

, for one is just being like totally out of your comfort zone, right?

Like you are no longer in your community where , you know, everyone or you might

run into someone or whatever it may be than to being like a total stranger.

Not really like I speak Spanish, but you know, there's, especially at that

time, like I, I could get tripped up on words easily and not know what a

person was saying, and, and you're just really out of your comfort zone.

And I think that's very humbling and I also felt like taking for granted

luxuries, , like whether that be hot water and air conditioning at, and

that's, sorry, . South America has that.

I'm talking about when I'm like in the tiny villages, right?

Like yeah.

That's where like the Amazon for example.

, yeah, that's where I really was just like, dang, like we have it so good.

And , yeah, it gave me , a really big appreciation and I've noticed

that mentality shift in my life.

How about you?

Yeah, I feel like of so many, I feel like I could, we could turn this into that

episode alone, but one of the biggest things was that I remember in so many

of the places, like they weren't rich.

In terms of financially or materialism, but I feel they were

rich in terms of how they live life.

And that's something that still stands to me.

There were people who were walking around with maybe living in a,

like literally, and this is not me, like exaggerating, it's literally

like a tin hut in some, some cases.

But there were some of the happiest people that I come across.

And then you see, flip that you see some of us in the western world and

they're living in big houses, nice cars.

And they're so unhappy and they're miserable and it, it really taught

me is like what true happiness is.

Do you know, it's not a number in the bank account.

It's not the car you drive, it's not the clothes on your back.

It's just like talking around with a smile in your face, enjoying the

simple things in the past and the time.

So that was one of the biggest things, and I think it just really

hit me hard in the sense that how much I took for granted at home.

And it gave me like a nearly a new sense of appreciation or just.

Nearly like stuck my head in the fire and going, you have a lot to be grateful

for, but you need to actually see that.

Um, and I think that's one thing that I've realized is like when you go traveling

you can see that you know firsthand.

'cause like people can talk about these things and say, oh yeah, people in

these countries, you know, they're poor.

But until you see someone, like, I remember living in Buenos Aires and I

seen a lot of Venezuelans who had to flee their country and they were literally

going through the bins, the dumpsters.

To get food.

And I was just like to see that with your own eyes in the

flesh, it just broke your heart.

And you're just like that, that they're just literally surviving and like

you're like, I have life so easy.

So that was probably one big one.

Yeah.

And.

I suppose the other one was like, how lucky we have it in the

western world too is like, just even like, uh, where you're born.

Do you know, like, again, something I took for granted, but there's one of

my Colombian friends, um, Diego, who I met, um, just as I traveled around and

we actually bumped into each, I, I met him in Peru, but we kept met, meeting

up, everyone follows the gringo trail.

He was actually following the gringo trail too, even though he wasn't a gringo and.

He said to me one day, like, he's a really intelligent guy.

He was doing a master's in engineering and he told me, he was like, yeah, I just

wish I was born in a different country.

Or not even that.

Sorry.

It was the way, uh, verbalize was, I wish it was easier for me to move to

a different country and work and rear a family there because he was like, I

don't wanna rear my family in Columbia.

And because he realized how much harder.

It is to give them the, the things that he wanted.

And even just small things like education.

He had to go, um, I think he maybe went to America to get his education

and then he come back to Columbia.

But small things, he got things that you take again, completely for granted.

So, and that's only two that come to mind.

I feel like if you ask me tomorrow or later, I'd be like, oh, this and that.

And you know, I feel like it's endless because again, when you're

put there, and again, when you're on your own, I feel like you're.

Able to absorb it and actually take a step back and see these things and realize,

hold on here we have, we have things good.

Yeah.

, very quickly, for anyone listening who doesn't know what the gringo trail is,

that is a, a, a common basically path in South America that you can travel along.

And, , it's the gringo trail, obviously, because all of the gringos do that trail.

I'm guessing, , but yeah, that's how we met Heaven on the Duro Trail.

Yeah.

, which shout out to Mount Koto, Packy and the Secret Garden.

I mean, that was.

Oh my God.

Like a magical place.

In incredible.

I know we could go for days on that one.

And it's funny, I look back on that one, Adam, just to even give you

a, a quick insight, I had never.

Done hiking at all before I went to Cotopaxi.

And then just to give people, uh, the background story.

I went there as a volunteer, but it was by default because I

wanted to go to the Secret Garden.

So there's two secret Garden horses.

There's a sister, one in keto the capital, but I wanted to go there

because they heard it was a party hostel, so I wanted to go and party,

and then they told me, No, there's no spaces, so you have to go to this one.

It's in the mountains.

And I was like, fuck sake, I don't wanna go to the mountains.

And then they're like, you're gonna be like a, like once they arrived

they told me like, you're the guy to text people up and down the mountain.

And it was like a seven hour round trip hike.

And I was scratching my head thinking I haven't done like, A two hour hike.

Nevermind.

A seven hour hike.

And me being the guide.

So I remember the first day that I had to pick the people up the

mountain, and I was standing there in a pair of tracksuit bottoms, a

pair of trainers, not hiking boots.

And everyone around me was in their proper hiking gear.

And then I started giving the talk and they were like,

so like, are you the guide?

And I was like, yeah.

And they're like, We're like, you're not worrying anything at all that's

relevant to hiking in this mountain.

And I was like, ah, it's grand.

You know, you don't really need it.

You know, I was just passing it off and I think they were a bit sort of scared,

but we got up and down the mountain safe.

And honestly, I look back now as like, that's why I got my love of hiking now.

I cannot get enough of the mountains and I just appreciate them so much more.

Even at home now in Ireland, there's so many great hiking trails here.

I didn't do any of them until I come home from South America.

Uh, that's so cool.

It's, yeah, once again, like getting the appreciation for, you know,

like you have to travel abroad sometimes to appreciate what's in

front of you, but, uh, take time.

Yeah, no, I, I, I like that a lot.

Um, yeah.

Make also, I wanted to ask you, like, 'cause I, in terms of like mentality,

what, and I know that's a, like, I've, I've listened to a few of your recent

here, uh, podcasts and that's kinda like a big topic that you usually dive into.

What are like some of the biggest takeaways you've had from.

The people you've had on in terms of like mentality and like applying that to life

and, and what kind of, uh, benefit that's had for you in your own personal life?

Yeah.

I feel like, like as you said, you can learn so much from other people and the

biggest thing that I've realized is like the power of the mind, and it is massive.

It is honestly massive because.

One of the guests on the podcast explain it like this.

You can look at it from either lens, you can look at it from a place of fear,

or you can look at it from a place of love and nearly go into like fears.

The a scarcity mindset where you watch the news and you're

like, the world's a dark place.

There's a dangerous place.

There's not enough money, there's a recession.

We're going around outta food.

You know, life's hard.

Or you can look at it from a place of love, abundance, and you're

looking at it that I have enough.

The world is unreal.

The people are unreal and everything I'm doing, I'm on the right path.

And I think those two things, there's, there's so much on the polarity, but

if you can actually try and realize when you're going more to one site

on the scarcity side and try and pull yourself back and I suppose build up the.

The awareness, which I think that's the most foundational thing, is

you need that awareness then to understand when you're drifting.

Because I still find myself drifting all the time is like you maybe drift

into like that sort of negativity, which is, you know, it's human, you know.

But if you can try and catch that, because I feel like if you let those

thoughts become too repetitive, then that's when they start to become

part of your subconscious program.

And I'm not sure if you or any of your listeners have like, Dived

into much of like Joe Dispenza any of his work, like epigenetics.

And it's really just hammering home the point that your thoughts

literally can lead you down a path of where you want to go.

And I heard a quote, I don't actually know if it was him that said it, but

I was like, your genetics load, the gun, your lifestyle pulls the trigger.

Hmm.

So basically, now this is probably often a tangent, but it's linked to

like your, the power of your thought and the lifestyle is gonna lead you to

where you're gonna be when you're 50 60.

Do you know?

So I think that's why I'm so passionate about trying to help

people, but also help myself.

To try and rewire those programs that we've picked up from a young age of,

maybe for me it was, I'm not good enough, and that's always something

that showed up and that's why I would've been a chronic people pleaser.

That's why I would've maybe not have been the most confident, whereas

by now doing all these things and actually putting myself out there,

I feel like each day I am trying.

I'm like, Building block by block.

I'm building more confidence.

I'm building more of a resilient mindset.

I'm moving more to that place of abundance and that I have enough,

and maybe even the trips in the van has taught me that too, that.

You don't need much in life to be happy, and when you can actually live in that

place enough, you have enough, then I feel like you're on the right track.

And that's not me saying that I've all this figured out.

I can still get so many days where I'm like, do you know, lost or down

or in that sort of not enough or that fear of the unknown, but I feel like

I can, you can sit there a lot easier.

Because you realize it's, it's human to have those thoughts and feelings, but

not to wallow and be in them for days and months and pull yourself out of it

and get back to the things that actually light you up and back on the right path.

Yeah.

I really appreciate that you brought up, , Joe Dispenza.

'cause that that is, the meditation that I was doing for the 30 day straight.

Oh real.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a Joe Dispenza one.

It was amazing.

, but I do like when people.

Kind of ask that question like, ah, but how do, my thoughts really

affect, , what shows up in my life?

And I always just kind of think of , whenever someone tells you, oh, like

they show you a song and then you're like, I've never heard this song before.

And then all of a sudden you just hear this song everywhere

and it's like, wait, hold on.

Did this, , is this a new song?

Like, why is everyone playing this song now?

And it's like, you just weren't aware of it, it was in the background,

but you just weren't, you didn't have your attention drawn to it.

Right.

And, and it's like, Seeing a certain car or whatever it may be, and it's like all

of a sudden now you see the car everywhere and it's just because you're literally

drawing your attention to it now.

And so the way I kind of look at it is when you start to bring your attention

to the things that you want, you're going to start to see those more often

and see the opportunities to kind of go after those, whereas, If you weren't

doing that, if you weren't bringing your attention to it, those things would've

still been happening in your life, but they would've passed you by 'cause you

know, there would just be unconsciously happening in the background, you know?

Uh, so I I really love that you brought that up 'cause it's, it's huge.

It's literally what you think is like where your attention is going is your,

is where your energy is flowing as well.

Yeah.

And that's so true.

'cause I see it like I look back and.

I would've counted myself as a very negative person and not that long

ago, you know, like in my twenties, because I had that insecurity.

I was, I was living in that sort of fear mindset, and then it's no wonder that

then you're always attracting that into your life, whereas now, I am like, I

feel like I've completely shifted that mindset, but then also you're attracting

different opportunities in your life, different people, and that's where I

really believe is like the vibration that you put out is what you're gonna get back.

So if you're someone that's always complaining and saying that there's

not the world's a shit place, you're going to always find that evidence.

You know that confirmation bias.

You're always gonna find that evidence to back up your story.

So it's just shifting your perspective and looking at it through a different lens.

And I love challenging myself and challenging other people

and going, hold on here.

How can you flip the script in this?

And like, if something really shit happens, I'm like, right, how can you

find something to be grateful for?

Or how can you find something that, what lesson can you find

in this shit that has happened?

You know?

'cause I think when you can do that there, there's lessons to be found

in absolutely everything, but you actually, you need to look for them.

And that's, that's the hard bit.

Yeah, for me, that's actually been one of, , my biggest mentality shifts

here recently , and, , there's a book literally on this topic.

, are you, , familiar with Ryan Holiday?

, the author of the Daily Sy.

Oh, I love of 'em.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I have it here in the van, so I do, yeah, it's, no, it's, it's excellent.

And, and I, I kind of figured you'd, you would know about this.

, but yeah, his book, , the Obstacle is the Way.

Uh, man, that has been really game changer for me.

Just being able to, when I'm going through something like really difficult and

it's starting to get the better of me, maybe even altering my mental health,

you know, getting to a point where, , getting like just down and out about

things, anxious, whatever it might be.

Having that ability to look at the thing that's causing you all this

pain and strife and being able to look at it and say, now hold on.

What is this moment meant to teach me?

Right?

Like, what am I meant to learn through this and how is it trying

to prepare me for the future, right?

So that I can better handle a situation like this or Yeah.

Or something similar to it.

And for me, that's been so huge because I've, you know, just been able to look

at things like, instead of being like, my God, why is this happening to me?

This is so difficult.

, just like, frustrated.

And then being able to just sit back , and just think like, okay, hold on.

, what am I trying to learn?

Whether it's maybe you're going through money issues, right?

And it's like debt or whatever.

Okay.

Maybe you're going through this difficult time of paying off the debt

and, and having that uncomfortability so that you'll know in the future

when you pull that credit card out to go pay with something.

You know, it's, you're, you're thinking to yourself now okay, is this worth?

Putting myself back in that situation that I was in, right?

, do I want to go through the pain of having to pay off all that debt again?

Or , am I gonna be smart now and think , okay, is this truly worth it?

Yeah.

Can I think, find another way of doing this?

Right?

And, uh, I always just now am trying to look at things from that lens of,

okay, what is this trying to teach me?

What can I learn from it and how can I grow from it?

Right?

So then in the moment, while it still sucks, At least you

know it's for something, right?

And it's going to better prepare you.

That's been everything for me lately.

Yeah.

And that's so true.

Yeah.

Like it's a great point, man, because like, and you know

what it is, like that's life.

I think I'll have to accept it.

Like this is not us saying that.

Oh, just when something shit happens, just sit there and be grateful.

It doesn't work like that.

Do you know there's times you're gonna be like, you want to just

punch a door and you're like, fuck.

But you realize after that sort of.

Emotion passes.

I feel like, and this is the big thing and probably very closely

linked to what you're saying, is like I keep telling myself everything

is happening to teach us something.

And when you can try and approach it in that situation going, no matter

how good or how bad something is, I.

You can when you actually, again, I think it's not the experience itself, but it's

actually sitting with experience and reflecting on it and then go, okay, right.

What, what was that experience teaching me?

Because you may not know at the moment, so like say if you're going through

money problems or you're going through relationship problems, or whatever it is,

At that moment, you're not gonna see that because you, you're maybe that fog and you

know, you need to let the, the fog settle, but then maybe in a couple of weeks or a

couple of months, you can say, oh, okay.

Right.

This is what I've learned from this.

This is the lesson I've learned.

Because when you do the work and actually reflect, I feel like there's always

something that you can take that's going to help with your self-improvement.

But again, it comes, I feel like it comes down to doing the work, which I feel

like sometimes people shy away from and they, maybe if we stick to that example

of say, financial or relationship.

If, like, if you keep making the same mistakes over and over again,

nothing changes if nothing changes.

So you have to actually take that time to step back, pause, and

reflect, and then sometimes just hold your hand up and going, okay.

Right.

Just the, the decisions I've been making haven't really been help me, so maybe

you need to change something and you know, just take out responsibility.

I feel like that's been the biggest thing.

One of the biggest things that's shifted for me is like just taking

responsibility for where you are.

It's nobody's fault.

It's just down to you to like, whatever's done's done, but going

right, you're in control of your actions going forward and not sitting

there playing victim and going, oh, well, it's the, it's the medical

people's problem, or it's my boss's problem, or it's my partner's problem.

Do you know you have the choice to change it.

And I think when you take back that ownership, you take back that that par.

Yeah, you say that beautifully, Mick.

It's, that is absolute truth.

Uh, if you are placing the blame on someone else, that means that they

have the power to change that, right?

You're relying on them to change your situation.

But if you take responsibility for it, even, even if it wasn't your fault, now

you're taking back the power to actually do something to change that, right?

So that's, that's super good.

, I also think that when you go through difficult tasks, It's

equipping you with the tools to.

, be worthy of whatever the outcome is, right?

So for example, , I used the example of winning the lottery and

then, , working for your wealth, right?

So if you take someone who , let's just really give this person , the

full story where it's pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

Make your own money, , started from nothing and became

multimillionaire, right?

As a pers as opposed to a person who just got some lucky numbers on a lottery

ticket and then won the lotto, right?

The difference is the person that worked for the wealth at each, each

incremental step, which was very difficult and you know, went through

a lot of trials and, and had a lot to go through, but now they know how to

manage that money at certain levels.

They learned to manage a hundred thousand dollars, they learned to

manage $250,000, you know, and so as they went on and on, they developed the

skills and really became like worthy of being able to handle that money.

And then the person who wins the lotto.

Well that's awesome.

And, and there are people who have success stories.

A lot of the times what you see is the person loses all the money, you

know, within literally the matter a matter of like a few years and we're

talking millions of dollars, right?

But the reason is, is because that person is so used to managing a couple

thousand dollars, a every two weeks.

Right, because that's their paycheck.

And a lot of times it's , they live that full paycheck all the way.

They put just enough of away for rent, you know, they, they, and

then just, you know, live it up.

So they don't really know how to manage that money.

Right.

And so, to me, I feel like going through the difficulty and the

hardship a lot of times equips you with the, the tools to better.

Manage whatever that life is that you're wanting, right?

So, um, I almost see the difficulty as a, just a part of the process of

becoming that person you want to be.

Right?

Yeah.

And that, that's, so, it's such a great example.

And one example that is probably similar is like, that I put it to is

like having such a love for hiking.

I'm like, you could get somebody to drop you off at the, at the summit, but I'm

like, you miss all the best parts, which is the struggle to get to the top because.

That's part of the journey.

And as cliche and as cheesy as it is, if you don't enjoy the journey, you're

never gonna be happy with the end product.

So like, if you're unhappy at the minute winning, the lateral's not gonna

solve anything because as you said, it'll cover up and it, it will put a

plaster over a bullet wound for a number of years until you blow that money.

And then you're like, how many stories do you hear about people that win the lotto?

But in a few years they're broke and depressed and it just

shows that money is not the.

The issue, and it's also not the answer.

I really love the hiking metaphor, just as you said that I was like, yeah.

Being dropped off at the top or actually struggling through it.

Like, man, when you get to the top, you feel like you earned that.

Yeah.

That view right.

It's, it's so true.

And I think every single hike I go on, I think that's what I love

about it and I feel like you get so many life lessons from hiking.

I know I do anyway every time I go up the mountain, even like

solo hikes, that's where I find like to me that's like therapy.

I go up there and like I feel like it's, you nearly just leave your

problems at the bottom of the mountain and like you, the higher you get up,

the smaller your problems become.

And it's like life in general.

It's like when you go up to a somewhat of a mountain, you're looking down,

you realize how small you are.

How small, not that your problems are irrelevant, they're not.

But it also makes you realize how big the world is and how little time we have here.

I think it sort of puts everything into perspective and then it

nearly gives you that sense of, right, look, let's get busy living.

'cause we have limited time here.

We're a flash in the pan in, what is this, 7 billion, 8 billion people universe.

So do the best you can and look.

That's, I don't know.

I know, again, there's a lot of cliches, there's a lot of sort of stuff

that I'm just thrown out there, but it's sort of just like top of mind.

Yeah.

Well, they're cliches for a reason, right.

Yeah.

But yeah, I, I was gonna say make, , something I've been doing, , on

these recent podcasts is I want to give listeners the ability to.

Apply the knowledge that we speak of in these podcasts.

And one of the things, for what we're talking on, usually it's,

it's, um, I'm talking about some random health topic and it's like,

okay, how to improve that, you know?

So I'll give a few actionable steps in, in terms of how they can apply the

knowledge from the podcast to their life.

And so for this one, I think, , we're really mainly talking about mentality,

mental shifts, all of that.

But I would love for you to give , One to five steps for someone who, let's

just say they're starting out on their health and wellness journey,

or maybe they're, , starting to shift their mindset from the victim to

not victim, like whatever it may be.

, what would be your one to five steps to start?

Developing habits, , creating a better mindset, , or even health.

, what would that be?

Yeah, I suppose it comes the most fundamental is like understanding

why you actually wanna change.

Because I feel like it, it comes from that, that's like nearly the

foundation is like, because when you have a strong why, then it's going to

actually help you follow through with it.

Because like, say for example, if we were to put, um, a steel beam across

two of the tallest buildings in LA and we were to say, walk across out there.

You'd be like, no chance Mick.

I'm not doing that.

But if I was to say, Ashley's the other side of that there, Evan, you

have to walk across to save her.

You're doing it.

You're not figuring out how, you're just making it happen.

So I think that's one example is when you have a strong why and you understand

why you're doing the change, then.

Yeah, everything else will follow in behind that because you'll be able

to find the information, you'll be able to muster up the motivation.

You'll be able to muster up the, you know, the curves to get started.

So it's probably number one's the why.

Second one would probably be then just start.

Um, you will be able to overthink it.

You'll be able to go down a YouTube rabbit hole.

You'll be able to like research the shit out of it.

But there's only so many times you can watch a YouTube video and.

How to do press ups until you actually have to go and do a press up and

you maybe fall flat on your face and realize I can't do a press up.

And that's okay, because at least you've realized that,

but at least you've started.

Because the hardest thing that I find for people is to go from zero to one and not

one to 10, because people maybe compare somebody who's at chapter 13 in their

fitness journey or chapter 13 in their, um, relationship or business or anything.

But you're maybe a chapter one or Chapter zero.

So it's looking right, where am I at?

And then just building on that.

So it'd be the why just start, and then after that, I suppose it's

trying to figure out, I feel like self-awareness is such a big thing.

So if you can actually have the self-awareness to see

where your patterns are.

What habits need to change, what habits can stay, and at least

then you know that some habits are serving you and some habits aren't.

But again, I feel like without that awareness and without actually

shining the spotlight in, then nothing's gonna change external.

And when it comes to transformation in any aspect, this is like the big

thing I've realized is that true transformation starts from the inside out.

Because you need to start shifting your mindset, but to shift your mindset, you

need to see where your mindset's lacking.

So that would be the awareness side of things.

And then I suppose after that, it's like reaching out.

There's like, I feel like accountability is massive in the sense that like,

and I know people are going to maybe roll their eyes at this.

It's like it's a coach talking, another coach speaking about accountability, but.

I'm a coach, but I still have a coach myself.

Even though I know what to do, I don't care how much you know, because no one's

not enough, because everyone knows.

What a calorie deficit is.

Everyone knows eat less, move more and addict 'cause we loss.

But that's not enough because we're humans, we're not robots.

There'll be times where you're just gonna come home from work or you're tired,

or you're maybe you've, maybe you have to work late or you maybe relationship

problems and you're not gonna want to do the things that's gonna serve you.

But when you have someone there to hold you accountable, That

takes things to the next level.

And I think accountability is a superpower that too many people neglect.

So don't be afraid to invest in yourself, which is probably the last one.

Um, and maybe then too link in together.

But I feel like we spend so much money on all our subscriptions.

We even Netflix subscription, Amazon subscription, we've

subscription to other things.

Maybe closing.

We go and spend money at the weekends, you know, out partying or car payments

and all these things, but you look at all these things and a lot of them are

maybe like materialistic or like, not even materialistic, but you're asking

how are they adding to your life.

I.

And the majority of the time, a lot of them aren't.

They're may be superficially adding, so it's asking, well hold on here.

This a hundred pound or a hundred dollar a month subscription

could actually be life changing.

But if I actually invest that and not see it as like, oh, it's a hundred

pound, see it as like this is a hundred pound that I'm putting into me, that

is going reap rewards in your health.

And your happiness and your relationships and so many things.

But I think sometimes we're, so, we're somewhat short term focused and

we don't think of the bigger picture and where we want to be in like a few

years time and we only think of Right.

I'm gonna do a four week bootcamp, just going to, um, do that and that's

gonna be the answer to all my problems.

So, That's maybe number six that you didn't ask for is think long term and

don't just think short term because I think we live in a world where people

are looking that lotto win, and they're maybe looking for that sort of quick

fix that isn't what they actually need.

Because if you think of a, we had example you didn't put on the two

stone that you're trying to lose.

You didn't put it on in four weeks.

You gained it maybe over two years, so why are we trying to lose it in

two weeks or four weeks or six weeks?

So hopefully that comes in some benefit.

Yeah.

Mick, that was beautiful.

Uh, I actually, I couldn't have expected anything better than that.

That was a beautiful way of, of breaking that down.

And I, , a hundred percent.

Couldn't agree more on accountability.

I have people holding me accountable as well, because, Like you said, we're

human and we lack motivation at times.

It's natural.

So having accountability while people Yeah.

Might discount that.

No, it is, it is literally top of mind.

So, , Mick thank you so much for joining me today.

, honestly this is a little bit of a selfish podcast 'cause I just

wanted to, , catch up with you.

But, . Honestly, Mick, I really appreciate it.

And, , I know, , we're coming to an end here, but if you want to share

any , last thoughts or even your social media where people can connect

or whatever you'd like to, uh, the floor is yours, at this moment.

I appreciate.

Firstly, I just wanna say thanks for inviting me on and like the

masses that you're putting out and the stuff that you're doing.

I think it's unbelievable and it's great to see because I think that maybe

that's why the two of us connected.

We're very like-minded and hopefully it's.

Uh, that's maybe one message that people can take away is like, even though me

and Evan met a couple of years ago, we haven't seen each other in person

since, but we've stayed in touch and it just shows the, the power of connection

and how it's, it's great to have people like you and, and Mike Horner.

So I really appreciate it, honestly, for even.

Give me the time to come on your podcast and for anyone that wants

to check out my own podcast, I'm currently traveling around Ireland in

my converted camper van and I'm trying to interview somebody from every county.

So in Ireland we have 32 counties.

So it's maybe like, um, I suppose you have counties in America too, don't you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's probably like, maybe, maybe it's more like a state, sorry.

It'd be more like a state only on a lot smaller scale.

'cause Ireland is tiny.

So with 32 counties, I'm trying to interview someone from every county.

And just to bring these stories to people that's breaking down the barriers

of, you know, everything we spoke about here in terms of mental health.

And also hopefully inspire people to try and go out there and fulfill

their potential and lean into those fears and lean into that discomfort

because that's something that I wish I had when I was starting out in all

this sort of self-improvement journey.

And I look at.

I still feel like I'm only getting started in a lot of this, and I

still feel like how much I've grew and how much more com confident and

comfortable in my skin I am, and it's down to the help of podcasts and books.

So hopefully by listening to this conversation and potentially listening

to any of my podcasts, it'll just even give you something to, you know,

apply into your own life and realize that you're capable of so much more.

And that's what I wanted to just instill in people.

This lights me up because I feel like sometimes we hold ourselves

back and I'm like, Life's for living.

We've got a short period of time here.

Just go and live and fulfill your potential as best

you can and enjoy it too.

Don't be taking life too seriously.

, yeah, Mick and sorry, I actually, I should have started this podcast with mentioning

your podcast because, , for everyone listening, it is an excellent podcast.

Mick has been doing it longer than I have.

, actually, Mick , had me on his show as one of the first shows I

was ever on, so thank you to that.

And, , it's excellent.

You, I, I have seen your progression in your growth.

, you really have stepped into the role of a podcast host and, , once again, yeah,

. Love the message you're bringing as well.

So, , for everyone listening, , yeah, please go check out Mick's podcasts.

It's actually, it's literally a podcast that I listen to and , I have a select

list of people that I will listen to and, uh, you do make that role.

So, , make sure that a Oh no, absolutely, it's well deserved.

Mick, I will be seeing you in Ireland one of these days.

I promise you I will come out and, , come check out the beautiful country out there.

I'm looking forward to having, I'll host you in the van and

show you all the hidden gems.

Oh, I love that.

No, , that'd be amazing.

, Mick, I appreciate you so much, man.

It's great connecting.

, we'll be in touch and, everyone please, yeah, go check out Mick.

He's excellent guy, beautiful mentality, , really knows what he is talking about.

And, , aside from that, you know, connect to your elements and do

everything with good intentions.

Thank you all so much for joining, and thank you, Mick.

Thank you, Evan.

Appreciate the time, man.

.

Thank you Mick, for coming onto this show and for providing all of this

knowledge to our listeners with some actionable steps there as well at the end.

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Before I let you all go.

I just wanted to go over mix five steps one more time, because they were really on

point and resonated with myself as well.

So number one was understand your why.

Why is it that you're doing whatever it is that you're doing?

Number two is just stark.

Lot of the times.

We want everything to be perfect to start, but if you wait for life to

be perfect to start anything, then you're never ever going to start.

So just start.

Number three is self-awareness what serves you and what doesn't, you need

to be clear on both of those and make sure that you are feeding that which

serves you and not that, which doesn't.

Number four is accountability.

Now this is definitely the biggest one as we were saying in the episode, because.

Motivation will eventually run dry.

And it is truthfully going to come down to either having a partner that is going

to be able to hold you accountable, whether that's a coach or a friend.

Or if you are just truly a boss like that, then maybe you are very accountable and

good at holding yourself accountable.

And really this is going to be key in accomplishing pretty much any goal.

And number five, this was a little bonus one, and that was gathered.

So we want to make sure that we're spending time with those that

we love and with the people that truly fire us up in life, right?

You don't want to be spending your time with those that are dragging you down

and making you feel drained of energy.

You want to feel alive and you want to feel energized by the

people that you hang out with.

So those are the five.

Actionable steps that Mick left us all with.

And I hope that you guys found some benefit in all of these

and remember to take what serves you and leave what doesn't.

Alrighty, everyone have a great rest of your day and peace.