Empowering Mental Health Professionals: Insights from CEU Providers Danielle Henderson and Meghin Lisi with THRIVE. Training Hub

In this episode of the Continuing Education for Mental Health Professionals Podcast, host Natasha Moharter spotlights Danielle Henderson and Meghin Lisi from THRIVE., who specialize in training for Anxiety and OCD interventions. The discussion covers their backgrounds, their passion for content creation, and the creative processes involved in developing comprehensive training for clinicians. They explore the importance of collaboration, community, and overcoming technological challenges, while sharing their experiences with the NBCC certification process. The episode also highlights an upcoming live CEU event on Harm OCD, emphasizing the integration of values into therapy. Listeners gain insights into building professional connections, utilizing resources effectively, and the enthusiasm behind providing high-quality education in the mental health field.

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast

00:48 Meet Danielle Henderson

01:46 Meet Meghin Lisi

03:40 The Journey to Becoming CEU Providers

05:42 Challenges and Rewards of Content Creation

14:58 The Importance of Collaboration and Connection

18:44 The Value of Networking in Mental Health

18:54 Authentic Connections Over Competition

21:31 Navigating the NBCC Certification Process

24:14 Encouragement for Aspiring CEU Providers

29:38 Upcoming Live CEU Training on Harm OCD

33:19 Where to Find Us and Final Thoughts

Welcome to the Continuing Education for Mental

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Health Professionals Podcast.

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Today we are hosting our very first

CEU Provider Spotlight Conversation.

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This is where we will learn

more about CEU providers in our

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community and their journeys.

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My name is Natasha Moharter and I'm a

licensed counselor and OCD specialist.

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I run the Facebook group CE for

Mental Health Professionals.

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I am so excited because we are joined

by our very special guests Danielle

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Henderson and Meghin Lisi with THRIVE.

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Training Hub for Anxiety and

OCD Intervention and Education.

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We're honored to have them here sharing

their wisdom and helping us learn about

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the wonderful new resources they've

created to help others in the field.

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So just to get to know our spotlighted

CEU providers a little bit more,

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we have Danielle Henderson.

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She has a doctorate degree in

clinical psychology and over 16

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years of clinical experience.

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She's an LPC in Pennsylvania and

has specialized in treating OCD and

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anxiety disorders for over six years.

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She has several years of experience

teaching therapists of all experience

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levels how to treat OCD and

anxiety disorders using Exposure

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and Response Prevention therapy.

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In addition to this, Danielle

has experience teaching several

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undergraduate courses, as well as

teaching and training medical students.

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She has led consultation groups

for licensed professionals and

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supervised pre-doctoral students.

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Danielle is also on the Women's Health

Research Committee at a local university.

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She loves coffee, playing video games,

hanging out with her family, and doing

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various arts and crafts projects.

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Another fun fact about Danielle is that,

in another life, she made digital art for

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content creators on a streaming platform.

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Welcome, Danielle.

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We are so, so happy to

have you here today.

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah,

thanks for having me.

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I'm excited to be here.

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Natasha Moharter: And let's go into

introducing our next guest, Meghin Lisi.

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Meghin is a practicing licensed marriage

and family therapist residing in New York,

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and she's the co-founder of THRIVE...

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Meghin has dedicated the most recent

half of her career to specializing

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in the treatment of OCD and

anxiety disorders using Exposure

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and Response Prevention therapy.

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As the co-founder of THRIVE.,

Meghin, along with her business

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partner, create training content,

provide education and consultation

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services, as well as executing program

development for other providers and

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practices looking to specialize in

treating OCD and related disorders.

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Teaching has been a long standing

passion of Meghin's within the mental

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health profession, and she has extensive

experience providing education to

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pre-licensed and licensed clinicians,

including time spent serving as an

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adjunct professor at the graduate level.

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Meghin has and continues to dedicate her

career to serving stigmatized populations

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and ensuring clinicians are supported

and given the best resources to carry out

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their work confidently and competently.

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Meghin, such a pleasure to have you here.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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Meghin Lisi: Thanks for having me.

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Natasha Moharter: I'm so looking

forward to this conversation today.

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We got to meet briefly before,

um, so just a kind of little

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quick fact about how we connected.

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Networking is important.

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I have the Facebook group, Continuing

Education for Mental Health Professionals.

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I believe, Danielle, you joined that first

and then we kind of connected on LinkedIn.

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And then Meghin and Danielle did a really,

really fun video for Friday the 13th.

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And I loved it.

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I just laughed.

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I was in the car watching it

and I was like, this is amazing.

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And so, um, Danielle had reached out.

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We set up a kind of meet and

greet virtually like this.

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And, uh, it was just really clear at

that point that you're just amazing

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colleagues to have in general, amazing CEU

providers in the field, OCD specialists,

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as a fellow OCD specialist, I am so

honored to be spotlighting you all

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as the first, member spotlight here.

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Can you share a little

bit about your background?

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And what got you interested in

becoming creators and CEU providers?

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah, that's great.

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Thank you.

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So both of us worked together, in the same

company, where we were treating OCD, and

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we were also training other clinicians

in how to do ERP or Exposure and Response

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Prevention for clients who have OCD.

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And training is something that both of us

have been really, really passionate about.

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I come from a, teaching background, Meghin

does as well, but I'll let her speak

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to that, and we're both really, really

passionate about therapist education.

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So thinking of ways that we could

incorporate that more into THRIVE...

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, absolutely.

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And I'd say.

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You know, just personally,

my mom is a teacher, or was

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a teacher, she's retired now.

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Kind of got the teaching genes

all throughout my family.

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So it's ironic because I never wanted

to be a classroom teacher, but once I

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got into the field, I realized that I

didn't always want to just do direct

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clinical work, that there was like this

area within our profession where we could

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provide education to other providers.

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And that really got me very

excited and interested.

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So started being able to implement

that in the corporate world.

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And that's how Danielle and I connected

and then decided like, we want to

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be able to do this for ourselves.

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So we, um, we both have that

teaching background and I also

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got to work in a CE program in a

past life as well, which was fun.

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Natasha Moharter: It's incredible.

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So.

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Uh, very much interested in kind

of like you said that teaching

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aspect, sharing knowledge, wisdom.

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Teaching isn't always easy.

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Teaching can come with its

challenges, but I think you have

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to have a certain passion for it.

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I definitely have seen that from

both of you, especially in the

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content you've already created

and in your current endeavors.

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Danielle Henderson: Thank you.

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Yeah, yeah, it's really great when

you get to take something you're

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passionate about and then actually

apply and bring it to life, so to speak.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, for sure.

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I agree.

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Natasha Moharter: Absolutely.

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So next question, what have been

your favorite parts of this journey

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into content creation and training?

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Yeah.

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So we're both really creative people

and that's something that's been fun,

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whether it's, creating materials,

creating flyers and different kind of,

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materials like that has been really great.

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And then also being able to make

something that's completely ours.

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So being able to learn from past

experiences, what we like, what we

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didn't like, and just being able to

make something that we feel really

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proud of and we know is good content.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, and I think part

of that is just getting the ability to

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connect with other clinicians creatively

as well and work directly with the

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therapist more and play a role in

this profession that's different than,

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like I said, just direct clinical care

as much as we both value that and we

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both actively practice as clinicians.

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We also wanted to be able to get

our hands into things that was us.

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It was for us by us.

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And we're able to provide that

to other people in our own style.

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But the creativity piece is probably

one of our favorites across the board

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because we get to make something from

nothing that is entirely our two brains

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that come together, which is super fun.

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Natasha Moharter: I think it's important,

when you are content creators to have that

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passion and that interest in creativity,

because it can make some of those other

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things like tech stacks and, advertising

and marketing like a little bit easier.

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Danielle Henderson: Yes.

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Natasha Moharter: It does sound like, and

this is something that I've done as well

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in my content creation journey is I when

I attend other professional trainings,

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I write notes and I have actually a form

that says, this is what I really liked.

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Definitely add this.

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This didn't work so well.

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Let's kind of leave that out or, Oh,

maybe I've done that in the past.

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Let's kind of rewrite that a little bit.

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Oh, that didn't land as well as

I'd hoped this landed really well.

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Let's kind of adjust.

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And so it sounds like you both

kind of use that skill as well.

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah, definitely.

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I'd say we definitely try to

apply similar types of strategies.

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And then the other thing that we're really

interested in and we try to bring about in

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our work is catering to different learning

styles within our course content, right?

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Because we know not

everybody learns the same.

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So that's some ways that we've really

been able to get creative to write,

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like, you know, how can we make sure

we're trying to hit on as many learning

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styles as possible with our content?

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Meghin Lisi: And getting that feedback

directly from the providers that we work

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with and train is a big piece of that.

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So we're really open to viewing

this as an ongoing journey where

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we are going to keep learning and

modifying and changing for the better.

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Just hearing from the clinicians

directly about what worked, what

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didn't work, like that's a really

helpful piece for us because then we

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implement those changes and make things

bigger and better as time goes on.

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Natasha Moharter: One of the things

that I've seen in exploring your

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websites and profiles and the content

you have created is that it seems like

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your creativity really shines through.

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I love the colors.

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I love the different graphics.

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Even when I saw your

YouTube video, I was hooked.

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It was so fun.

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It was so genuine and so real.

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And I was like, yes, we need info and

content like this out on the world.

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Specifically for OCD.

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Yes.

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And others as well, but it was

just, it's really neat to see that

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shine through and to really get

to see kind of your personalities

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and your creative styles and that.

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Danielle Henderson: Thanks.

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Meghin Lisi: Thank you for noticing.

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The colors and things like you said,

those are our favorite color schemes,

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like we're doing everything that feels

good to us, but, yeah, there's a lot

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of back and forth on the creativity

piece in the background, which is fun.

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Natasha Moharter: Yes.

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There's a saying that I heard one time

and it said, you don't have to be an

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expert to be a contributor, right?

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And so sometimes I think that

when, you know, I didn't as a, as a

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therapist, I didn't take any business

courses or marketing courses or

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things like this graphic design,

but I love this stuff, right?

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But it's kind of stuff that we

learn as we put it into practice.

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You have to kind of shift

your mind in some ways.

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Danielle Henderson: Yes, we've had lots of

conversations around that about how we're

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not really taught, we're not told how

to market ourselves, how to make money.

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It's just kind of like, figure it

out, good luck and learn on your own.

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And that can be hard.

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So it's nice.

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I think, we have the two of us to bounce

ideas off of, but then also getting to

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network and connect with other people and

see what's working, what's not working.

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Natasha Moharter: Absolutely.

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And you get to showcase your stuff, right?

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Just because we didn't, you

know, we weren't experts in

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marketing or things like that.

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We didn't take, our degrees

are not in that necessarily.

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Doesn't mean that we can't shine

through in those colors and the

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graphics it's super representative of

our own styles and it's really neat.

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We need representation, so, cool.

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So next question, what have been your

least favorite parts about this journey

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into content creation and CEU providing?

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Danielle Henderson: I will

answer hands down tech.

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Um, there have been so many things

that I've learned that, I never

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thought I was going to have to learn

times or like earlier today, I was

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editing a video and my computer just

decided it was going to shut off and

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not save any of the edits I've made.

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So I think tech hands down has been

the least favorite part of the journey.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah.

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I will second that every single day of

my existence, because I agree on, I got

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to hand it to Danielle, she is like the

tech guru in this working relationship

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and is awesome and picks up on things

that my brain just can't and doesn't.

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So that's where it's like the teamwork

makes the dream work here as well.

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Also I want to say like the delays

in things we have these ideas and

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expectations of like things are

going to get done by a certain day,

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a certain time, different timelines.

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And there's always some sort of barrier,

like Danielle had mentioned even this

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morning, that something just happens and

comes up and you get kind of derailed.

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So being able to, learn to be adaptable

and adjust has been a good lesson

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for us as well, but the delays, yeah,

that kind of gets me a little bit

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on top of the tech piece for sure.

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Natasha Moharter: Absolutely.

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It's funny in, in my content creation

during, I have really enjoyed the,

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like the graphic part of it and kind of

setting up websites and things like that.

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And I have learned, I have ADHD and,

I do extensive research on tech.

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And so I have to be careful not to be

like, What does all the reviews say?

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And who says this?

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And that one seems like the best,

but let me try all the free trials.

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And then it's like, I actually really

like that part, but then starting

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it, I'm like, yeah, I haven't set

up, but that's a little bit scary and

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intimidating to actually go do it now.

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So , how do you keep going even when

they're tech kind of challenges?

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What kind of keeps you both moving

forward and working as a team?

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah,

that's a great question.

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Because at least for me, I had very

similar struggles, Natasha, in terms

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of like, I'm going to read every

single review, cause I want to make

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sure I'm choosing the good one.

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Right.

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Meghin, you probably saw this.

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I don't know if we explicitly

talked about it, but a little bit

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of, decision paralysis, I was like,

I don't know which one to choose.

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And then you get overwhelmed and you

kind of leave it alone for a minute.

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So something that I found helpful is I'm

like, okay, I think I like, take a day

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away from it and then regroup and see

how I feel and then get back into it.

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And then I think just the two of us being

able to hold each other accountable too,

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because, you know, a part of me is like,

if I was out on my own, it would be, a

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little easier for me to be like, oh, I'll

just keep, pushing it down the street.

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But now there's somebody else where it's

like, okay, we got to be accountable.

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We have to do this.

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Meghin Lisi: Yep, definitely.

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I think that us being in a partnership

makes that a lot easier for me personally,

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because the accountability piece is huge.

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Knowing that you're not just doing

this for yourself, you're doing this

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with and for somebody else, and vice

versa, and You know, there's that

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inevitable like little nudge every day

where you're like, you don't want to

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disappoint the other person either.

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And that helps to kind of hold yourself

to a certain standard, but also being

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able to bounce off of each other when

things get hard and there are roadblocks

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and the problem solving aspect of

that instead of just being isolated

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is like a really huge part of this

as well that I found very beneficial.

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So I think if I were doing this solo,

I might've even given up at this point,

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which sounds kind of sad, but, we've

pushed through some big barriers so far in

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a short period of time and it's resulted

in nothing but positive things so far.

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Natasha Moharter: I think

it's so neat to hear that.

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I tend to be somebody that kind of

likes to work more independently.

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But it just reminds us that,

you know, people, we, as humans,

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we're very social beings, right?

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And that accountability partner stuff,

that bouncing ideas off one another,

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there's so much that can come from that.

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So much cool stuff.

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One of the things that really

stood out to me in our initial

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conversation, our initial, visit,

Was just how much you both connected.

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You seem like you have a good connection,

good colleague partnership, right.

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And maybe even friendship.

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And so there's kind of

that, like, you can be real.

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Danielle Henderson: Exactly.

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Natasha Moharter: Along those lines, our

viewers won't know this, but we had a tech

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snafu prior to this, and so here we are

on Zoom, but we move forward and we keep

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going even when there's tech stuff, right?

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So, and, you both were so gracious in,

helping me navigate some of that today,

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as I learn this, as I step into this

realm of video recording and things like

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that, that you have already embarked in.

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Kind of a question I didn't send you

all before, but something that I noticed

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when I was preparing the interview

questions was that you both had said,

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let me go back to it really quickly.

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So, I said, what interests you about

kind of having this conversation.

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You both said, building connections, both

of you, building connections, building

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connections, anything that you would like

to share a little bit more about that

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and if not no pressure, but I thought

that that was, I was like, We're in tune.

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You are on the same wavelength here,

even in separate form submissions.

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Danielle Henderson: I've really enjoyed

recently, getting into different

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spaces, getting to connect with other

therapists who are doing similar things,

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different things, and even if it's

just like, hey, let's just chat for,

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you know, 10, 15 minutes about what

we're up to and what we want to do.

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I find those really important and

meaningful because sometimes it

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can feel, especially in this world,

like when you're not attached

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to a corporation anymore, right.

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It can feel a little bit

like you're on an island.

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So I think just being connected

and, you know, who knows, you, might

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be able to help each other because

that's what it's all about, right?

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Being able to empower each other

and really lift each other up.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, the collaboration

is definitely super important

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because that's the only way that we

can learn and continue to grow as

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professionals and also personally.

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Getting to, I mean, with, with the

tech, this is a good piece of the tech

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connect with people that are in totally

different parts of the country or even

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the world and people we would never even

cross paths with we're able to just hop

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on Zoom or another platform and have

these conversations and see what other

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people are up to and what skills they're

amplifying or, in the reverse, like where

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other people feel stuck and burnt out and

being able to even inspire in those cases.

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So there's a selfish element of like,

Oh, I want to keep learning and I want to

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keep hearing what other people are doing

and how can we help each other versus

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how can we connect with the clinicians

that might be feeling super low, which we

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all have probably been in that position

at different points in our career.

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Doubting ourselves and our skills and

our abilities and just getting like a

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little bit of a light at the end of the

tunnel through some conversations with

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people, I want to be able to supply

that because I've gotten that from other

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providers at different points in time.

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And without that, like Danielle

said, we feel like we're

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out on the island sometimes.

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So that collaboration and just human

connection, like that's super, super vital

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to our functioning and then us being able

to be successful business people as well.

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Natasha Moharter: There's so much

meaning and purpose behind it.

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And we also know kind of, again, going

into the skill set of business owner

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and content creator and marketer, right?

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Networking is one of the most beneficial

kind of aspects or avenues for that.

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And so getting to talk with people,

getting to connect, getting to kind of

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learn about them and not just, I think,

a therapist sometimes, you know, In my

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humble biased opinion, what I've seen

is that we're like, we're here to help.

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We don't want to go feel salesy.

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Right.

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And yet we gotta pay our bills.

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We do need money to, and

we create cool stuff.

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Why can't we get paid for the amazing

work that we do with the expertise

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that we bring, all the education that

we have and the continued learning

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that we continue to put into it.

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Right.

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And so there's, there's that

networking piece can be, it

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doesn't have to be salesy.

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It can very much be.

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with the purpose of benefiting one

another and lifting each other up.

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Danielle Henderson: Right.

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Yeah.

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So building more like connection

and authentic relationships with

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people as opposed to, you know,

like exactly that salesy pitch.

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Meghin Lisi: There's something special

about this field doing the business

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sales stuff, because at least most

clinicians that I interact with and

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have over the years, what they're doing,

they genuinely believe in and there's a

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purpose driving it versus past life, I've

been in the sales world before and it's

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an icky role to me to play to have to

push something because a corporation is

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telling you to, and you don't even have

a full understanding or a belief in the

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product that you're putting out there.

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So when it comes to the mental

health profession, it's like, we

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do what we really love and enjoy.

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We're serving a population of people,

of clients in particular, that have a

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great need that are greatly stigmatized.

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And we want to spread that

knowledge to as many providers as

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we can, because there will never

not be enough work to go around.

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So I don't like the idea of

this, like competitive nature.

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Like if we're doing similar things

as other people, like we got to

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come out on top of the other one.

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No, those are the people

we want to connect with.

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And we want to be able to build

up alongside us continuing to

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pour into our own work as well.

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Natasha Moharter: That that's, really

near and dear to my heart as well.

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And I think that was another thing that

stood out to me in our initial meeting and

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networking kind of virtual zoom meeting.

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was that, you both are very genuine and

there's not this sense of competition.

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It's this, hey, let's get to know each

other so we can see how we kind of

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fit into each other's pictures, right?

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What, like you said, Meghin, there's so

much work to go around, like, everybody

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can have clients and everybody can have

other CEU providing attendees, right?

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It's fine.

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It's good.

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So I think it can create kind of that

safety also, especially when, you know,

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therapists aren't necessarily always

trained in this to how to market and

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network and things like that, and to

not feel that they're in competition

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that feel like, hey, like, there's

only good that can come out of this.

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Let's let's really build one another up.

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Something else really quick that stood

out to me through this and through kind

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of figuring out what do we do and what do

we provide and then what do other people

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that we're not going to work, what do

they work with and what do they provide.

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So I really like to focus on the

ERP implementation exposure work.

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Like figuring out how do you not just

learn it, but get in and start doing

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it, maybe because that's where I,

keep working on personally as well.

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Like I can set up all the tech stuff,

but then you got to hit record.

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You all have a couple of really cool

trainings that you have developed.

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You are currently approved through

the NBCC, the National Board for

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Certified Counselors for live trainings.

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You went through the certification

process that is hashtag goals

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for so many CEU providers.

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Can you tell us a little bit about

that process, what that was like

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for you and then what you're using,

the NBCC certification to provide?

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Danielle Henderson: Sure.

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Yeah.

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So we both decided that we wanted to

be able to provide CEs and we picked

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NBCC because from your group was

actually really helpful for this.

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So kind of looking around,

they seemed like, the least

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challenging to get involved with.

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We took a look at the application process.

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We saw that we had to have a 60

day, notice period for them and that

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kind of fell right around Halloween.

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So we use that to really pick

what we wanted to do our topic on.

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So we got our application

materials together.

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There were a few places where the

language was a little confusing

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or convoluted your Facebook group

was incredibly helpful for that.

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And that's something that I

hope I can give back to as well.

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If people have questions about

that application, because there

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were a couple of questions I was

like, what does that even mean?

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Who is this for?

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Natasha Moharter: You have been

very active in the Facebook group.

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I've really appreciated that.

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And it was really neat because you

were actually one of the first,

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NBCC providers to kind of post in

there that, Hey, we got, approved.

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And so it was like, this is so cool.

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We got to see you asking about

questions and then the approval process.

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It's doable.

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It is doable.

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There's some steps, right?

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There's some stuff you

have to kind of go through.

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Danielle Henderson: Yeah, there,

there are definitely steps.

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The rep that I worked with was

really helpful in terms of, you know,

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like, here's what you need to fix.

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He gave me the examples that they give

you a toolbox to look at that has all

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the different information materials

use that because there were some

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things I missed the first time around.

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Yeah, we got approved a lot faster

than we, I think we were both

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expecting, which was really cool.

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I think it was only like a few

weeks when they tell you, you

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know, give them like 60 days.

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And I was like, Oh, this is awesome.

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So honestly it was not, as bad or as

challenging as we thought it was going to

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be, which was a nice twist to the story.

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Definitely doable.

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If you're thinking about it.

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Do the single program application.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, do it.

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Don't don't do what I do.

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And like, I put that mental block up of

like, not even wanting to approach it

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in the first place, because it does feel

a little daunting, but once you get the

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ball rolling, it's going to work out.

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And honestly, that was probably one

of the easier steps than other things

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that we have to conquer and overcome

in the business portion of things.

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So don't hesitate to do it if

it's something that you care

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about and something that you

want to get involved with.

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Natasha Moharter: That

encouragement is so, so important

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because so many of us, right?

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We're like, that's new and

daunting and it's national and

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it's NBCC and like, whoa, hold on.

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So just like you said, kind of going

into it, Danielle, you mentioned the

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CE provider toolbox that you can access

on the NBCC website and that I've

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honestly, I've used that to create my

learning objectives for my CEU trainings.

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I used it to do the, because I, I

have hashtag goals of NBCC approval.

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And, so I created my CEU

certificate based off of that.

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So it was really, really helpful.

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And it was neat to hear your, your

experience going through this, that

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it was, it wasn't just a, yeah, I sent

off my money and then they deny me.

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I think that can be kind of

intimidating as well for providers.

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Danielle Henderson: Yes, definitely.

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That was very refreshing because

we were both expecting it was

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going to come back with edits

and then hopefully get approved.

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So it was very nice that it didn't turn

out the other way where it was like we

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took your money and you're not getting it.

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And good luck.

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Natasha Moharter: So we have several

members of our community that are

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feeling burnt out and want to cut down on

clinical work and, or add an additional

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income stream for financial stability.

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For someone just starting out on their

CEU provider journey, what would you

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say are like one to three most important

steps to take to begin the process?

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Danielle Henderson: I think first there's

a little bit of a mental barrier or hurdle

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sometimes that we need to work through

as therapists because there's a lot of,

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I think, "should" expectations about, you

know, we "should" be doing clinical work.

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We "should" be taking clients

at a very low fee, right?

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There's all these "shoulds" about

what need to happen in our profession.

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So I think kind of getting over some of

those and recognizing that it's okay to

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try to branch out and do other things.

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It's okay to step back or step

down from clinical work if it's

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something that isn't serving you

to the degree that you're doing it.

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So I think mental barrier, we

need to work through first.

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And then after that, find out what

you could talk about for an hour.

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Find out what you're passionate

about, what's something that's in

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your niche or your wheelhouse, and

maybe think about starting there.

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So don't do a CE on something you're

totally unfamiliar with, right?

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Like, stick in your wheelhouse, make

it easier for yourself for the first

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go around, and then do your research in

terms of where you want to be in terms

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of APA, NBCC, you know, state CEs, right?

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Research and figure out what would

be the best starting point, what

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makes sense for your audience.

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Meghin Lisi: And I think starting with

one, you know, instead of jumping into

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I have to do all of this at once, find

the one specialty topic, find the one

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application that you want to pursue and

start building those blocks from there

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and it'll continue to morph into its own

thing over time, but as long as you're

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doing something that you genuinely

enjoy, there is absolutely nothing wrong

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with doing other things in this field.

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You start to second guess yourself

and like, why did I sign up to be a

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therapist if I'm feeling burnt out if

I'm at a certain number in my caseload

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or whatever the case may be, but

everybody has a different threshold.

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We also have other skills.

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We're not just clinicians.

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We're whatever we want to be.

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And if there's other things that we

learn that we enjoy when we're developing

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within the profession, then we should be

watering that and seeing where it grows

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to instead of ignoring it and trying to

fit a mold of something that might not

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feel like a long term item in our list of

tasks that we have to do as professionals.

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So I think I started gaining some

flexibility around what my career would

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look like once I had the opportunity

to start nourishing some other

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skills that I knew that I enjoyed.

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And then it took my own advocacy to

say like, no, I, I need to do this for

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myself, even if there's risk or it feels

scary because I need to see what it

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can turn into before just ignoring it.

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And, putting my head down and continuing

to do the same thing over and over again.

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Natasha Moharter: Absolutely.

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I think it's so important for us

to kind of, again, going back to

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that, that conversation and topic

of, you know, therapists are,

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we're kind of technicians, right?

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We're doers.

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And so, but what happens when we

can't have "butt in seat" hours, and

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that's how our income is generated.

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So sometimes providing CEUs, even through

recorded trainings or live events can

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be an additional way you can record

it repurpose the content, and then you

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have money while you sleep money, right?

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Where it's like you wake up and you

have a registration, you're like, wow,

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I didn't even have to sit somewhere

for that money to come my way.

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And that can be so refreshing

and so beneficial because

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it fuels our continued work.

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It fuels, like you said, we

therapists are in this field a lot

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of times, because we care, right?

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Because we want to make an impact

because we want to do good things.

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And when we have financial resource,

it allows us to continue to do that.

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And we know that when people

struggle with financial resources,

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it changes our brains, right?

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It decreases our creative abilities.

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And so being able to support that and

kind of becoming a patron of our own art

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to fund it, and then allowing that to

grow, it can be really, really important.

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So next question here, you have

an upcoming live CEU training.

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Can you tell us a little

bit more about that?

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Danielle Henderson: Yes.

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So our CE event is taking

place on November the 1st.

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And so right around Halloween,

which is you know, we're trying,

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we have been thinking about kind

of theming our CEs around different

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holidays and times of the year.

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So, our first CE is going to

focus on Harm OCD and we're going

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to talk about how to treat it.

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With ERP, we're going to equip therapists

with the foundational knowledge in terms

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of, you know, recognizing, diagnosing,

how to treat it, and then incorporating

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values into ERP work, which is something

that Meghin and I are really passionate

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about, and I know you are as well.

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Natasha Moharter: My heart!

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Danielle Henderson: So we're going to

have, you know, traditional kind of like

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lecture didactic style and then we're also

going to incorporate some experiential

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exercises into our CE as well.

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Meghin Lisi: Yep, and I'll

toss in there that it is from

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3 to 4:30 Eastern on the 1st.

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Natasha Moharter: It sounds like it

is an event that no one should miss.

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This is a, there's some interesting

aspects within harm OCD, right?

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And if we don't know how to identify

it, we could be completely treating

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it incorrectly and ineffectively

and unethically and like, Hmm.

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None of us are here to do that.

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We worked our butts off for our

education and for our license.

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You all can help them kind of

prevent some liability challenges.

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They can learn some fun stuff

and it's an hour and a half.

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Danielle Henderson: It is.

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Yes.

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So 1.

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5 NBCC credits.

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Natasha Moharter: Okay, so with

regards to this upcoming live CEU

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training we're talking about harm ocd.

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How did you come up with the topic?

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Danielle Henderson: I'll let

you take that one, Meghin.

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, so like we were

talking about earlier, we were looking at

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the time of year that we were targeting

and we both were like, oh, that's

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gonna be right around Halloween time.

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It would be kind of cool to theme

the subtype of OCD that we want

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to present about and get into some

detail on as we may or may not know.

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For anybody listening, there are

Endless subtypes or themes of OCD.

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So it's not like it just

presents as contamination or it

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just presents as organization.

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There's a whole, one various world of

OCD symptoms that most average people

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probably don't even have awareness of.

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So harm OCD is one of those

subtypes and we felt it matched

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pretty well with the time of year.

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We were like, let's do some deep dive into

harm OCD and like Danielle had mentioned

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to assessment and diagnosis of and then

diving into the treatment of and it'll

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be a good time of year to kind of talk

about that theme a little bit in the way

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that it presents and then bringing again,

the values into that treatment, which is

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one of the most important pieces as well.

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So we're excited to introduce that for the

Halloween theme time of year, and we'll

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try to be consistent and doing some fun

things like that and bringing, I guess,

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a little bit of a lightness to something

that is very dark and challenging

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for people to experience firsthand.

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And hopefully we'll shed some

more awareness on it as well.

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Natasha Moharter: I think it's really neat

because you're using environmental cues.

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You're using other kinds of primers

to get people ready for the topic

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and the content and things like that.

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So neat.

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So last couple questions

before we get ready to wrap up.

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Can you tell us where to find you?

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What is your website?

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And, are you on social media?

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Danielle Henderson: Our website is

https://thrivehubfortraining.com.

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We are on LinkedIn and we are on

Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram.

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So you can kind of find

us all over the place.

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Natasha Moharter: And you all have

an email list as well that we can

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join and that, is on your website.

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Danielle Henderson: It is, yeah.

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It's on a few of the pages.

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Probably the easiest

place is on the homepage.

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Just scroll to the bottom and

you can join into our THRIVE.

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Community.

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Natasha Moharter: Wonderful.

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So, again, it has just been such an

honor, a privilege and a pleasure

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to have you both here today.

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I so appreciate your time, your

willingness to help me learn some tech

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stuff as well, to come in and have

this conversation about CEU content

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creation, that provider journey.

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Is there anything else that would

be helpful that you would want to

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share with other providers that

are interested in this journey that

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maybe we haven't talked about yet?

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Meghin Lisi: Yeah, I would just say

speaking to the event we want to encourage

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any clinicians who are interested

in learning more about OCD to join.

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You don't have to be an expert in OCD to

attend this CE event you also don't have

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to be an expert in any of the specific

subtypes you're going to take something

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away from it and it'll shed a lot of light

on the disorder in general so we hope that

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anybody feels comfortable any pre-licensed

and licensed clinicians can join.

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Natasha Moharter: And it's a very

reasonable price for the content

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and the training that you all are

providing, plus the NBCC CEUs.

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I think that it's very, very reasonable

and again, you are both OCD specialists.

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You've been doing this for a long time.

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You have experience training others.

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You were saying, Danielle, one thing

that's really important to both of you

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is to incorporate other learning styles.

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And so, it just really sounds like it

could be a really beneficial event.

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I hope you have so much success with it.

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We will be linking the CEU website and,

all of their social media pages below.

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And so please feel free to follow them,

interact with them, and definitely

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consider attending this training.

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It's going to be on a

really important topic.

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A lot of clinicians I think can be,

challenged by the theme and the subtype

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of Harm OCD if you don't know what you're

looking for, it can feel like what am I

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doing and who just walked into my office.

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And it doesn't have to be scary.

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It's really cool that you are both

putting out this kind of content and we

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need more info out there about OCD, in

general, and so it's just really neat.

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Thank you again, both of you, so much

for your time, for being willing to

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be our first, spotlighted members.

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I look forward to our continued

collaboration and work together.

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Please feel free to everyone follow

Danielle and Meghin, go check out THRIVE.

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Training Hub.

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It is a really incredible resource and

there's so much time and work that's

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put into it and it is so quality.

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You won't walk away disappointed.

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Thank you so much.

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Danielle Henderson: Thanks for having us.

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Meghin Lisi: Thanks, Natasha!