Think construction is a guys-only field? Think again! Licensed Contractor Kayleen McCabe has been swinging hammers and toting tool belts since the ripe age of six years old, when she shadowed her dad's renovation of their Denver home. In 2009 she beat dozens of male competitors for the grand prize on TV's Stud Finder... Her own series! For five seasons, DIY Network's Rescue Renovation showcased Kayleen's skills and wit as she swept in and saved almost a hundred ill-fated home renovations, from an NFL running backs kitchen to a coalmine-turned-man-cave.

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[00:00:07] Kayleen McCabe: I actually got not kicked out, but politely removed by security from a school in Texas. Um, because when I go speak to schools, I never approach it saying like, I'm going to be talking about not going to college and working in construction. I'm always like, I'm famous. Will you let me talk to your kids words, like, Hey again, thank you television for giving me that.

[00:00:53] Kayleen McCabe: And all of our kids are going to college here when it comes to remodeling and renovating your home.[00:01:00]

[00:01:19] Caroline Blazovsky: she's so high energy and she's just amazing. Her vibe is like, it's just,

[00:01:28] Kayleen McCabe: This is awesome. Like to hang out, hanging out for a little while

[00:01:37] Hey,

[00:01:48] Kayleen McCabe: And I have one design right now and it's like halfway in the process. It's going to be a little piano lounge. It sounds ridiculous. I know it. So yeah, I'm just waiting. I'm waiting for the. [00:02:00] That's weird sentences to say in the afternoon.

[00:02:10] Eric Goranson: It's always like a, a 1966. Oh, Milwaukee sander metal box or something. You know what I mean? I'm just making a brand names, but yeah, it's just, it's always something.

[00:02:39] Kayleen McCabe: Oh my God. That's so cool. It's fun working in construction. If I were to show up to something with a coach bag, I look ridiculous. But if I roll up with old Rockwell, like metal Ks that people are like, oh, all right. And weirdly, uh, one time my truck was broken into and they stole all the new tools except for my old purse.

[00:03:14] Eric Goranson: Well, everybody out there listening, if you don't know who Kayleen is, she has been all over the place.

[00:03:32] Kayleen McCabe: time. Um, well, as my passion, I really am so passionate about changing the mindset of what it means to be successful.

[00:04:00] Kayleen McCabe: I'm like, what am I doing with my life?

[00:04:22] Kayleen McCabe: Okay. Uh, Carolyn, you haven't been yet, correct?

[00:04:30] Kayleen McCabe: nothing. Okay. First of all, it's the largest, one of the largest conferences in the world, and it's all about. Concrete and masonry, and that sounds kind of basic, but the reality is it's amazing. It's so good. It's in Vegas and Vegas convention center.

[00:05:09] Kayleen McCabe: Um, I rode the tram and the world's largest manmade fear is being built there and it's this huge black sphere and it's going to be an acoustical center. It's so cool. So anyways, Vegas in general is as cool because of the construction that has happened in such a quick amount of time. And Vegas always pushes the industry too, as far as like what we'll see in residential construction, like they were the first to like put a light on in the closet when you opened it.

[00:05:54] Kayleen McCabe: I don't know why, but I need it. I just think you'd make a really good backdrop. I'm just saying [00:06:00] there was an obstacle course. They had for like dump trucks and big machinery, which is awesome. And these people were doing this like backing up into. Little tiny, like basically driving a semi obstacle course and like going over things.

[00:06:20] Eric Goranson: used to have my fun fact. I used to have my class a and tanker,

[00:06:38] Kayleen McCabe: I know I have tiny compressor for my truck. But then reality. I really want to go all the time. Um,

[00:07:07] Eric Goranson: I mean, it's people jump like there's no, tomorrow we had it, my buddy's truck for awhile. It was just blowing their mind. It was just crazy, but that's, there's a few times in life that I went, oh, that was too much. That was one of those that I was like, Too much, too much.

[00:07:24] Kayleen McCabe: I don't know. I'm still kind of jealous. Um, okay. Back to nerding out about a world of concrete. So that was fun in the same lot. They also had a house being 3d printed out of concrete. So that was incredible to see live and an action. And what was so fascinating about it was there was like a channel left, open.

[00:08:04] Kayleen McCabe: I don't know, just watching the technology was cool and learning that they are going to be teaching how to make 3d printed, um, homes from a class in Arizona. So now I can't wait to go visit that school, like what? You can get a degree in this, like, amazing. So that was cool. Um, but the police that. The reason that I go to world of concrete and the why it's like the coolest thing on earth is they have a bunch of competitions and it starts off the day with like the journeymen doing like a brick or a decorative design and then maybe apprentices.

[00:08:57] Kayleen McCabe: At the first time I went and not being familiar [00:09:00] with masonry, like I'm a carpenter, you know? So I was like Tinder swipe, right? Like I don't get it. Uh, so Tinder Tinder is the assistant and the partner to a Mason. So the Mason handles the block. The Tinder is prepping the block and the mud. And so it's this beautiful, like dance that they have.

[00:09:39] Kayleen McCabe: Oh my God. I love that. Oh my God. I love it. So anyway.

[00:09:57] Kayleen McCabe: something just nerded out.

[00:10:31] Kayleen McCabe: But that. That day, like the half of it is just taken up with such energy of promoting and the pride and the trades. And then the winner of that competition gets a brand new truck. And I think $125,000.

[00:10:50] Eric Goranson: rock is like 30 feet up in the air on the display. Right? Isn't it. I like something crazy.

[00:11:07] Kayleen McCabe: Like, I'm sorry, I'll be missing Quebec.

[00:11:24] Kayleen McCabe: Rolando listeners, uh, I'm going to Orlando is great and it's beautiful, but it's honestly the traffic and the lack of, I mean, when you go to Vegas, you can, everybody can get out for dinner.

[00:11:50] Kayleen McCabe: Like

[00:12:09] Eric Goranson: Hey guys, I got to be out on the other side of town in 20. Great talking to ya out. You go to the next thing and it's, it's, it's not easy to navigate

[00:12:27] Kayleen McCabe: Either contractors who gets the. But seeing a convention, it was like, he was really fun just watching his brain fall out of his head. He was like, I have no idea. This was amazing. But you know, I've been to these shows for so many years. He thought that like I was going for fun and I've never, I haven't gone to Vegas for fun and 15.

[00:13:03] Kayleen McCabe: And I love it. I mean, if I did my wouldn't do it, but you just forget how hard it is. And this trip I took. It was like a vague, I took myself to vacation at a conference. Look what a nerd, like I used to ditch in high school to the library. I haven't changed my nerd ways. It's so ridiculous. So, um, but it was wonderful because there wasn't that hustle.

[00:13:53] Kayleen McCabe: And he's like, what did I see? I'm like, I don't know. That's the point of surface LA, you never know. It's a bunch of weird clowns doing [00:14:00] flips and stuff.

[00:14:08] Eric Goranson: That's the thing it's killing. It's so funny. Cause you think as I do, when I get into shows like that, I might miss the whole acting apartment. I'm like, how did they get that up there? How did they do this? I'm reverse engineering, the entire thing as the show's going, oh,

[00:14:24] Kayleen McCabe: There was a point where they sunk a piano while a guy was playing it. And the whole time I'm like, where do they put the piano? And how is this? Like, how's that resting? I need to know. I love, but that's also why we love construction is because we see the beauty outside of just the surface of it. There's so much more to our industry than just what you see.

[00:14:46] Caroline Blazovsky: ask you Kaylene. So how did you get into this obsession with tools, carpentry, construction? Um, so, and as a female, I think it's, it's profoundly interesting to, right. Anybody that's in this trade as [00:15:00] a female it's it's still considered a male world. How did this happen for

[00:15:05] Kayleen McCabe: Gosh. So what kind of grew up with it? Um, my parents were both really handy. I tell a joke that I didn't know the proper way to check a post hole depth for a fence. I just thought you stuck a small child into it and had her put her arms up in the air. And then like when I was 10, dad gave me a tape measure and I was like, ah, thanks.

[00:15:49] Kayleen McCabe: You're a girl. And you're smart. Like, why would you go to weld? Um, And I didn't really fall in love with it until, so it was a 9 1, 1 dispatcher for a number of years after graduating high school, um, [00:16:00] college, I was accepted into college in seventh grade. I was a super nerd. I just never went because I'm not good at sitting or being inside.

[00:16:37] Kayleen McCabe: I really felt satiated with how my day was at the end of the day. I was like, wow, I did something. You can see it. I mean, meanwhile, I was dispatching, I was saving lives, but I just wasn't. I loved helping people. That was great, but that's that visual reward for me was really powerful. And then being gross and dirty and making.

[00:17:15] Kayleen McCabe: I can actually do this for a living. Like, you know, I remember when I was a dispatcher, I re I switched apartments and to celebrate, I took a sledgehammer to my kitchen to remodel it, because at the time I was a viewer of trading spaces. And so I was like, man, they could do it. I can do it. Turns out there's a lot more people on a television show than just yourself.

[00:17:39] Kayleen McCabe: But there was just this really, it was a sense of like, this is what I've been searching for the whole time. I'm super artistic. I love to create, I mean, in the winter time when the shop's too cold, I'll cross stitch or I make these like little metal puzzles or Legos, like I have to be creating something.

[00:18:18] Kayleen McCabe: You and Eric. Totally. I that's the problem with going to some of these shows too. Cause I walk around, like I need that. I need that again. I don't know what I'll need it for, but I need it. Um, oh, totally. And so. It was kind of just this hook. And then it's just built momentum over the years. I'm grateful and very lucky that, um, I don't, this is why I'm so passionate about encouraging people to work in the trades because how I fell into it was awful and backwards.

[00:19:06] Kayleen McCabe: I didn't want to, I wanted people to be able to actually use this investment after we were gone. Um, but that was a difficult thing for the, for the network to deal with. As one other contract host host told that I was a difficult contract to work with or host just because I demanded things like that because you want to do it right.

[00:19:51] Kayleen McCabe: It just is boring to me. I, I can't be on a computer too long. Like you guys get all my computer time today. Woo.[00:20:00]

[00:20:21] Kayleen McCabe: It just built it up from there. But I got, I got stuck in an attic one instead I was trying to insulate for like three and a half hours and I was like, this is the universe telling me. I have bad karma to never do to something bad in the house again. And I made a promise that I wouldn't guess when you realize homes have a soul, and this is the most expensive investment that someone will ever have.

[00:21:05] Eric Goranson: You know, Caitlin that's what, the wonder, one of the best things I loved about all of us getting together at these tool things, because it could be, you know, you and me, it could be Daymond Bennett. It could be. Skip an Alison Bedel and we get all of us together. Jeff Devlin, you know, all of us get hanging around and it's like a masterclass of TV.

[00:21:41] Kayleen McCabe: the finest line in any industry, you know, they say, if you want to have a restaurant. They going under is like some crazy percent.

[00:22:10] Kayleen McCabe: And so I put in dovetail joints into all their drawers and I'm like, who are you? Normal Abraham, like crazy pants. But I mean, he he's, he's really, it he's legit. And that's where I think, and I appreciate the industry starting to go towards is, you know, And I'm my show. Never did. We never made up any drama?

[00:22:37] Kayleen McCabe: Okay. Real quick. I once went into a house where we were remodeling the basement homeowner took out a load bearing. Put in an I-beam. So you think what's the problem? Right? Go into the house. And I look at the I-beam it's in the shape of the letter H and the homeowner tells me straight face on camera. Oh, I put it in the shape of the letter.

[00:23:15] Kayleen McCabe: Um, and so, you know, we don't have to fake drama like that. And so.

[00:23:36] Eric Goranson: And it was out of a college in Denver that I think it was the Denver design college of art or whatever it was there. They took them out of there and then paired them up with design experts. I was on one of those experts as a design thing, and it was a friend of mine who. I wanted to get in design that I had taught her design.

[00:24:10] Eric Goranson: There's no way we're going to do all this stuff. And that was okay, but they're like, okay, Eric, do you need to make Brianne. We want you to make her cry for this. And I'm like, oh no, she's a friend. I didn't need to make her cry. And they're like, no, you didn't make her cry. I go, you know, I'm out here, out here doing this for free.

[00:24:36] Kayleen McCabe: Oh, yeah, it's disgusting. No. And, um, I knew people who worked on shows like a bride show, everything was going great. And to keep their job, they had to make the bridegroom. That's what the reality TV industry was and the two thousands and some of it's so dirty and that's like, um, I'm grateful that I, and so with you have [00:25:00] standards and like, no, we're not going to do this.

[00:25:05] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And now, you know, it's, it's interesting. And, and back then, I think, you know, what's interesting now. I mean, we know plenty of people. There's this myth, I think out there with, with the general public too, that, oh, those guys gotta be making so much money on these TV shows.

[00:25:30] Kayleen McCabe: No, they chip and Joanna leveraged themselves well and partnered with like a media company. You know, I, I was in like season three when they started and I just am not good with technology.

[00:26:05] Kayleen McCabe: Now I have leveraged my time and TV to its health and I'm grateful that I can, cause I guess still trial kids, like I'm famous and on TV and they're like, don't I want a job in construction. I'm like,

[00:26:44] Kayleen McCabe: I, and I'm my own boss. I don't understand vacation that like, or a seven day. If I was, if I had a sick day right now, who's going to fill in for me. Like, it's just not a thing

[00:26:59] Caroline Blazovsky: It's so funny that you [00:27:00] said that because, um, I was, I'm a, I'm an environmental consultant. And so when I got into doing environmental consulting, I wanted to do residential just because it was my passion.

[00:27:24] Caroline Blazovsky: You need, you know, so, um, when I got into it, that's what I heard. And I just didn't focus on that at all. I just said, I was like, you, I was an entrepreneur. I'm like, I'm going to make money in residential and you and I did. And here I am, 25 years later with 30,000 home investigations. And just like you. I made the money and I enjoyed it.

[00:27:47] Kayleen McCabe: Absolutely. And, um, it also takes a lot of hard work, you know, it's, it's not, I meet kids now and it's like, well, yeah, I'm going to like make $500,000 a year. That was, I legit heard [00:28:00] that the other night I'm like, wow.

[00:28:08] Eric Goranson: I'll take your seminar,

[00:28:20] Kayleen McCabe: And I don't know that's, I don't know. I never feel like when I

[00:28:36] Caroline Blazovsky: And I actually really enjoy. I mean, I, it, they they're picky about their houses and they want the best. And, but I'm like that. Cause I think your house just like you said, Kayleen is your, you spend all your money on this place. It is like the biggest purchase you're ever going to make. It should be awesome.

[00:28:51] Kayleen McCabe: Yeah. Yes. Oh, I know.

[00:29:18] Eric Goranson: They don't have the skill, but they got the passion. They want to sing, they can sing, but they got the passion to sing, you know, and if you can match that skill that you've got, or at least harness it where you can learn that. It has a good

[00:29:46] Kayleen McCabe: Um, and so. This group I worked with, they were complaining that they had all these home Depot kits to sitting around and I was like, send them to schools or can't send them home and I'll teach them how to build them via zoom. And so that's now grown into, um, I [00:30:00] teach second through fourth graders how to build, and it's super simple.

[00:30:24] Kayleen McCabe: Do you like music? Do you have fun building this? What subject in school, do all these things have in common and, you know, you, you get thinking about it and you also get answers. Like it's fun. They follow directions, it's all math. And so basically I'm like sneaking zucchinis into brownies. I'm like, ah, I made you do Basford hour.

[00:31:04] Kayleen McCabe: It's a math problem. You have to add a half a cup of sugar in a whole cup of flour or whatever else. And starting to make it more digestible that wasn't meant to be for them. Then that's going to have a positive ripple effect when they start to look at other careers, like in the industry that we're talking about, anything with the trades, then it's a lot more easy to be like, oh, okay.

[00:31:46] Kayleen McCabe: And so stem and CTE, not only could it lead to a great career, but now we're making better consumers. And then my last point on pushing this is, I believe it will lower the. Of depression and suicide [00:32:00] instances and kids, because when you are working with tools, you have to put the phone down, you have to be here.

[00:32:25] Kayleen McCabe: And so in addition to careers, making great consumers, we're now also addressing one of the biggest epidemics that we're not really talking about it, the suicide rates and teenagers and kids, it's so sad and scary. And so, um, I dunno, there's a lot of, I have a lot of different avenues for passionate on why like, ah, and even if you're not a student, are you bored in your job?

[00:32:53] Eric Goranson: And you can make more, I mean, so crazy story. I mean, this is, and this is we've got to work as well [00:33:00] with our education system on this as well, because there's some serious pushback in some of the high schools. Great example. Uh, my old co-host years ago, handyman Bob that was on here, he was going around doing some trade days in the high schools and the.

[00:33:32] Eric Goranson: She a better listen to him. He gets up here and goes, thanks, miss principal, by the way. I make twice as much as you do. And I have a boat and I've got two houses as a plumber. So guys, if you don't go to school and do it right, you could end up as a principal in a high school. And just later out, right there in the thing.

[00:33:57] Kayleen McCabe: and Bravo for that pushback. And some of the [00:34:00] reason it's really interesting. I've been able to travel all over the U S and all over the world, talking about this. And there are a lot of gatekeepers. This isn't just like we can say it and snap our fingers and make it happen.

[00:34:37] Kayleen McCabe: You know, it's so infuriating. I I, people are like, oh, you know, you work in construction. You must be dumb. I'm like, are you mad? I speak fractions all day and then use dangerous tools to translate. Like, I'm not dumb. I choose to do this, you know? And so it's encouraging and chip switching that mindset. Like I actually got, um, not kicked out, but [00:35:00] politely removed by security from a school in Texas.

[00:35:16] Kayleen McCabe: Hey again, thank you television for giving me that, that way in, but this one school in Texas. Um, and I should've known because they had a giant stadium outside for like football and, um, at the end of my first presentation, I see like a bunch of security and the principal. And I was like, oh, some kids in trouble.

[00:36:00] Kayleen McCabe: Um, it it's ridiculous. And then. Only 33% of the jobs in the U S require college education. That's like three jobs for every 10 require college, but yet it's a hundred percent push. I just thought, what did the service you're doing to your students for not hearing this because what's going to happen? And what is happening is.

[00:36:33] Kayleen McCabe: There's no kind of motivation because why are they going to listen? We've told them for years that they had to go do this thing. They did that thing. And now that thing is not only not paying off, but as a huge albatross around their neck. I mean, average college debt. Astronomical. I can't, I want to say it's between like 20 and 50,000.

[00:37:03] Eric Goranson: fixed for that. I want to, I want to change the college rules for getting alone. And here's how I propose. We change that because I think I've got a fix for this. I think that if you're going to get a loan for college, That you should have to come up with your own business plan of how you're going to pay that back with the career that you're going to get from that loan.

[00:37:31] Kayleen McCabe: Yes.

[00:37:36] Kayleen McCabe: Exactly and put the onus on, um, the students to say, is this actually a viable career?

[00:38:13] Kayleen McCabe: And so now parents and students can do research on if they want to pursue a four-year option. Are the students graduating. They're actually employed in the area that they were taught in. And I mean, the statistics are horrified. They're so bad. I mean, it really is discussing on how many people, not only don't finish or complete, but then aren't working in the industry and that's where it's like, oh man, people do and understand.

[00:38:48] Caroline Blazovsky: a lot of kids too, I mean, they go to college, but they have no idea what they want to do. They don't really want to be there. And you're talking about $70,000 a year to send your kid what, to figure out what they want to do.

[00:39:13] Caroline Blazovsky: Like it, wouldn't it be great if you tried out a trade go into being an apprentice somewhere for a plumber electrician, I don't know, go work the power lines, whatever it is and see what you like. But I think people are afraid to do that. Like you said, there's a stigma. If you don't go to college and it's ridiculous, it's, it's pretty

[00:39:29] Kayleen McCabe: Cool. And it's scary too, you know? Um, so. Like the lockdown first started. I'm like, all right. All right, what am I going to do on board? Like I applied to be a teacher, but then I started to put together my resume. My resume is so weird. I was like, I don't know if I'd be good. Um, for the, my friend had a fencing company and I was like, look, this sounds crazy, but can I come back to work for you as a labor?

[00:40:14] Kayleen McCabe: It's just nice to have. And I don't know, simple things. But it is intimidating to pull up on a job site. Um, but I think when you're younger, you can, you, you know, you bounce back faster and this is where it's the, you know,

[00:40:33] Caroline Blazovsky: Right. You'll just do

[00:40:50] Kayleen McCabe: And I just, I just wish that if more parents realize that they encourage their students. To start an apprenticeship or, um, even an internship with a company in [00:41:00] high school. Then if they spent two years still living at home, working on this, uh, apprenticeship or process, they're going to move out into their own place, probably buy their own house or a nice apartment and they're not coming back.

[00:41:22] Eric Goranson: Yes, there's no parents. I'm going to give some advice here to parents, by the way, if you get your kid, instead of helping them pay for college, why don't you pay their 1500 bucks a month for their apartment?

[00:41:52] Eric Goranson: So there's no excuse, no, throw the money. It's going to be less at the apartment.

[00:42:00] Caroline Blazovsky: so, okay. So this sounds great in theory, but say you have a parent who knows nothing about the traits and they have this child that doesn't, they kind of don't see them being college bound.

[00:42:24] Kayleen McCabe: Sure. So

[00:42:50] Eric Goranson: They're doing all the trade stuff. They are learning skills. They're building chicken coops, they're doing all this kind of stuff. And it's a summer camp. There's nothing [00:43:00] easier for a young kid to get into a summer camp program like that. Culinary expert though. Cause you do this every day.

[00:43:13] Kayleen McCabe: First of all, I'm a crazy camp counselor. I loved it so much. I, I taught the day of safety and construction and so we talked about safety and then I had them build a picture frame and then we lit it on fire. Cause why not? It's a good finish. Uh, but I also wanted to go home and their parents be like, why do you smell like fire?

[00:43:47] Kayleen McCabe: And it'll kind of direct in a few different ways because we might have an aptitude for aerospace or automotive or even culinary. You know, when we talk about CTE, Or stem careers. It could be agriculture, um, [00:44:00] cosmetology radio for real. I mean, there's, the fields are endless. And so that's kind of nice to help harness.

[00:44:22] Kayleen McCabe: Um, if they like being a part of a team build your future is also another website where they have kind of another aptitude test, sort of the thin down what would be a great trade, because this is where. I kind of does get challenging because in residential construction there, it takes 27 different trades to build a house.

[00:45:03] Kayleen McCabe: Um, and that's where they'll have the chance to learn, try different things. See what that spark is. Sometimes you got to throw spaghetti at the wall to find if it's done or not, or whatever the saying is, I don't know. Uh, and who knows? They might then fall in love with something more commercial, industrial, the build your future sites.

[00:45:42] Kayleen McCabe: Um, and I'm not sure if holders, but. JE Dunn, uh,

[00:45:49] Kayleen McCabe: Yes. I think an aptitude test sometimes is the best and, and even Google searching different ones. I'm always fascinated because I've taken multiple [00:46:00] aptitude tests and unless it's specifically construction, I always come out being a truck driver.

[00:46:14] Eric Goranson: and there's actually a new trade that's coming out and I'm going to be talking about. And it's brand new over the last few years and Kaylin, you might've heard of this, but it's a brand new trade for your computer, geeky kids out there. And it's that home integrator. Oh yeah. So now they're called the integrators.

[00:46:49] Eric Goranson: So there are a thousand different ways to get into home construction, home remodeling, and residential. And still be that computer [00:47:00] geeky kid that loves technical

[00:47:18] Kayleen McCabe: Look at blueprints and people would nod politely and pretend that they understood what blueprints looked like. Um, but now we can use that video game technology. And this is where I need the younger folks, because they will take those blueprints and turn them into CAD and then render them to be lifelike.

[00:47:54] Eric Goranson: is that for kids?

[00:48:10] Eric Goranson: No, no, that'll be fine. That's enough. And then I throw the VR glasses on. They go, oh yeah, that's really tight. Isn't it. And my gas not going to work. Can we move that out about another foot? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, it solves so many construction things because now you can put somebody in that space.

[00:48:34] Kayleen McCabe: There's going to be a computer in my pocket. And then I show people. A hologram of princess Leia, you know? And so, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's awesome. And that's where I'm hoping too, that with the new technology coming into the industry, we're all going to have a resurgence. Interest in working in it, kids are gonna find it.

[00:49:07] Caroline Blazovsky: your buttocks is huge. Now, like all these kids are into robotics. I've seen like, I mean, girls, the boys are all into building these robots and competing.

[00:49:16] Kayleen McCabe: It's so amazing that I'm surprised that sticks hasn't had a resurgence yet because mil

[00:49:45] Kayleen McCabe: know that.

[00:50:07] Kayleen McCabe: And now this is just not how the consumer market works anymore. They think I need to be something else to get the parts. And I was like, if I just had a 3d printer, I could just print off what I need. Make it. Yes. It wouldn't be like the PVC strength they need. But I don't care at this point.

[00:50:26] Eric Goranson: If you had that, you'd be like, all right, I'm going to turn this. I'm going to forge it. I'm going to make it

[00:50:50] Kayleen McCabe: And like, well, sometimes he's like, what about working with the products you use in construction? And Nicole, we cow nailed it because there's something about mud and plaster and [00:51:00] grout and the sound and the movement and texture to it. Um, it's so calming to me. It's really, I find peaceful. And then I get the same sort of feeling watching that show.

[00:51:16] Eric Goranson: there you go. And I love metal. I took a, I took welding in high school cause I, I did auto body and so I had to go get certified welder to take the autobody class. Cause I was working on rod. And so it was super cool. So I took welding at the high school. I was taking welding and radio TV production at the time.

[00:51:54] Eric Goranson: And do an, a chop, chop, chop trap on a whole Chevy truck. And [00:52:00] so, but I couldn't use any plastic filler. I could only use metal Lowel and it was awesome. That was killer

[00:52:16] Kayleen McCabe: It's a lot of science. It's really fun. And especially for the females out there, I believe that, um, welding is one of the best industries to get into because it's so artistic. You actually, if you're a musician, you'd make a great welder. And the reason is it's, it's very, um, arrhythmic, um, and what you have to do to perform a great weld.

[00:52:45] Caroline Blazovsky: such a nice analogy that you just gave. I just love that analogy cause people don't think, you know, they think about, oh, I want to be a musician, but not everybody's, you know what?

[00:53:06] Kayleen McCabe: It's the thing like, ah, once we

[00:53:18] Eric Goranson: It just, it was horrible. And then I use math every day, but. Well, one thing we're going to see, it's going to be super cool. Moving forward in the technology side of things in the design world is we're going to get into this mixed reality where you're going to be able to put on the VR glasses, but you're going to be able to look through them.

[00:53:53] Kayleen McCabe: spectacular, you know?

[00:54:04] Kayleen McCabe: So

[00:54:14] Kayleen McCabe: I just shopped on my hair off. I don't know what to do with it anymore. And I eat sawdust daily. So I think it's, it's better than Botox. A little bit of Oak.

[00:54:27] Kayleen McCabe: Yeah, exactly. Well, I think happiness too, as part of that and just being able to do what I do. I fell backwards into creating what I get to do for career. Kind of consistently now for the past 25 years and literally knock on wood. I think I'm so insanely great, like blessed and I'm so grateful.

[00:55:21] Kayleen McCabe: But, um, I dunno, it's.

[00:55:43] Eric Goranson: Cause it seems like every five years, the whole TV. Just kind of ends up rebuilding itself and goes another direction.

[00:56:08] Kayleen McCabe: You know? Um,

[00:56:33] Caroline Blazovsky: Like it doesn't, it could be a business, it could be a widget. It could be, you know, Eric and I doing a podcast, but it's so much more fulfilling than just sitting there and watching.

[00:56:52] Kayleen McCabe: And so I'm doing it with either radio shows, podcasts, um, this audio consumable content. And I think it's, [00:57:00] I don't know. It's brilliant and I'm happy that you're still going strong and making stuff because in the next five years, that's where I think it's all headed is, um, you could hold it in your hand and you can just listen to it and consume.

[00:57:20] Kayleen McCabe: I don't, because I didn't realize so much time had gone by, I mean, that's really,

[00:57:28] Kayleen McCabe: here. I mean, I stopped you all on like social media sites. So it's one of those lazy habits that I try to get out of.

[00:57:47] Caroline Blazovsky: my God, that's amazing.

[00:57:52] Kayleen McCabe: Yeah. Right.

[00:57:57] Kayleen McCabe: mccabe.com, which I proudly own. [00:58:00] Somebody tried to harangue me for $20,000 for a longest time to give me that name. And I was like, Yeah, like I'll wait.

[00:58:29] Kayleen McCabe: And I just like click that. We're lazy. It's so bad, but I sorry for the folks like there, their folks that I should get on and everyone's falling apologize and be like, I'm so sorry. I appreciate you. I think you're great. Sorry. I just Eric

[00:58:45] Caroline Blazovsky: We'll just like allow him to

[00:58:53] Eric Goranson: Alright, thanks for coming on. Kayleen I'm Eric G and I'm Caroline B. And you've been listening to [00:59:00] around the house.