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035: De-Mystifying Medicare - Part 1
Episode 3512th April 2023 • Retirement Equals Freedom • Josh Bretl
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Medicare with all its parts and options intimidates a lot of us – with good reason. But Host Josh Bretl, Founder of FSR Wealth, and his prize pupil, Co-Host Dave Schmidt, have got our backs!

In the first of what will be a two-part blockbuster, the Retirement Equals Freedom team is bringing us the ins and outs of a federal health care benefit from which we all stand to, well … benefit.

The trick is figuring out how Medicare works and the right strategy for our individual situations.

You’ll learn on this episode about the difference between Parts A, B, C and D as well as key safeguards to consider when putting together your plan.

So don’t shy away from Medicare. There are people who can help you sort it out and ensure that you own your health care – how much you spend or waste as well as your quality of coverage in retirement.

Taxes, investments, health insurance – it all matters and R=F is here to turn those dreams of freedom into your retirement reality!

Stay tuned for next week when we get more granular in Pt. II of our Medicare debrief. You’ll meet trusted advisor Dave Wylly of Medicare Solutions Network and have more fun learning this stuff than you can possibly imagine!

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Josh Bretl:

Because it is such an integral part of people's

Josh Bretl:

lives and retirement, it's something that we talk about

Josh Bretl:

with every single client that walks in the door, and

Josh Bretl:

it's probably one of the biggest questions people have.

Josh Bretl:

Medicare is something that people should not be afraid of,

Josh Bretl:

it's not something that they should run away with fear, but

Josh Bretl:

it's something that they need to look at every single year.

Josh Bretl:

It's something that, if they're truly going to

Josh Bretl:

own their retirement, this is part of that.

Josh Bretl:

This is not something you want to bury your head in

Josh Bretl:

the sand, this is something that you want to be proactive

Josh Bretl:

in that planning process.

Dave Schmidt:

Medicare, with all its parts and options,

Dave Schmidt:

intimidates a lot of us.

Dave Schmidt:

And for good reason.

Dave Schmidt:

But your host of the show, Josh Bretl, along with his

Dave Schmidt:

prize pupil, yours truly, well, we got your back!

Dave Schmidt:

In the first of what will be a two part blockbuster, we're

Dave Schmidt:

bringing you the ins and the outs of a federal healthcare

Dave Schmidt:

benefit from which we all stand to, well, benefit.

Dave Schmidt:

The trick is figuring out how Medicare works, and

Dave Schmidt:

the right strategy for your individual situation.

Dave Schmidt:

You'll learn on this episode the difference between parts

Dave Schmidt:

A, B, C, and D, as well as key safeguards to consider when

Dave Schmidt:

putting together your plan.

Dave Schmidt:

So, yeah, don't shy away from Medicare.

Dave Schmidt:

There are people who can help you sort this out and ensure

Dave Schmidt:

that you own your healthcare, how much you spend or waste,

Dave Schmidt:

as well as your quality of coverage in retirement.

Dave Schmidt:

So taxes, investments, health insurance, it all matters.

Dave Schmidt:

And the Retirement Equals Freedom Podcast is here to

Dave Schmidt:

turn those dreams of freedom into your retirement reality.

Dave Schmidt:

This is The Retirement Equals Freedom Podcast.

Dave Schmidt:

Your host, Josh Bretl, is the owner of FSR Wealth Strategies.

Dave Schmidt:

And for the last 20 plus years, Josh has helped fine

Dave Schmidt:

folks like you gain the confidence to make retirement

Dave Schmidt:

the best part of your life.

Dave Schmidt:

And me?

Dave Schmidt:

Well, hello hello!

Dave Schmidt:

I'm Dave, Josh's longtime friend, co-host and fan of

Dave Schmidt:

those delicious, crunchy and super unhealthy snack rolls

Dave Schmidt:

at Thornton's gas stations.

Dave Schmidt:

All right all right.

Dave Schmidt:

Enough of me talking.

Dave Schmidt:

Let me let you let me end my introduction so we

Dave Schmidt:

can get on with Medicare.

Dave Schmidt:

FSR Wealth Management is a registered investment advisor

Dave Schmidt:

located in Elmhurst, Illinois.

Dave Schmidt:

Information and opinions contained in this audio

Dave Schmidt:

have been arrived at by FSR Wealth advisors.

Dave Schmidt:

All information herein is for informational purposes

Dave Schmidt:

and should not be construed as investment advice.

Dave Schmidt:

It does not constitute an offer, a solicitation or recommendation

Dave Schmidt:

to purchase any security.

Dave Schmidt:

FSR is not providing legal, tax, accounting, or financial

Dave Schmidt:

planning advice in this audio.

Dave Schmidt:

These views are as of the date of this publication

Dave Schmidt:

and are subject to change.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, man.

Dave Schmidt:

Josh, happy Tuesday, man.

Josh Bretl:

It's been a minute since we've recorded a podcast.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm a little sad today.

Josh Bretl:

A little Debbie down today, why is that?

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm a little Debbie down today, because I saw what we're talking

Dave Schmidt:

about, I saw the show notes.

Josh Bretl:

This is not your favorite topic.

Dave Schmidt:

No, it's not.

Dave Schmidt:

So hopefully, you'll be able to get me back into a better mood.

Dave Schmidt:

And, by the end, we'll be doing a song and dance.

Josh Bretl:

I will actually say this is a topic that scares a

Josh Bretl:

lot of people, because it has a major impact on their lives.

Josh Bretl:

But before we get into that topic, can I talk about

Josh Bretl:

something else that scares me?

Dave Schmidt:

:

Yeah, a little bit.

Dave Schmidt:

:

Sure, go ahead.

Josh Bretl:

So I did something that I was afraid

Josh Bretl:

of this last weekend.

Dave Schmidt:

Bathing?

Josh Bretl:

No, I'm good with bathing, I'm good with bathing.

Josh Bretl:

I have been for a couple years now.

Josh Bretl:

But I went to a circus with the children.

Josh Bretl:

I'm not really a circus person, and in my head I was thinking

Josh Bretl:

like Ringling Bros or whatever.

Josh Bretl:

So let me back this up, my wife says to me last week sometime,

Josh Bretl:

she goes, "Did you see that Triton College," which is a

Josh Bretl:

small junior college not too far from us, "is having a circus?"

Josh Bretl:

It's their 50th anniversary of this circus, they call

Josh Bretl:

it the Triton Troupers.

Josh Bretl:

I was like, "Sure."

Josh Bretl:

We're at a point in the spring right now where it's

Josh Bretl:

been miserable for a while, anything we can do to get

Josh Bretl:

the kids out of the house.

Josh Bretl:

I'm sure you were doing the same thing.

Dave Schmidt:

Yep.

Josh Bretl:

So I said, "Yeah, let's go to the circus."

Josh Bretl:

Tickets were six-dollars, so we're not breaking the bank on

Josh Bretl:

this, it was in this gymnasium of Triton College, which is

Josh Bretl:

smaller than the high school gym you and I played basketball in.

Josh Bretl:

Glory days,

Dave Schmidt:

Glory days.

Dave Schmidt:

The gym I tackled you in?

Josh Bretl:

Yeah, that gym.

Josh Bretl:

It was smaller than that.

Josh Bretl:

But I have to say it was a super pleasant experience.

Dave Schmidt:

Tell me more.

Josh Bretl:

So this is not Ringling Bros, this is not

Josh Bretl:

people who are professional circus ... Are they actors?

Josh Bretl:

Performers?

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, how dare you?

Dave Schmidt:

Yes, performers.

Josh Bretl:

These are people like you and I.

Josh Bretl:

There is every age, there is every body type there is

Josh Bretl:

the this was their passion and they did it on the side.

Josh Bretl:

There were clowns, but these weren't your creepy clowns,

Josh Bretl:

these were friendly old people clowns and friendly young people

Josh Bretl:

clowns and clowns on stilts.

Josh Bretl:

They were friendly though, not like creepy in the woods come

Josh Bretl:

out of a sewer type of clowns.

Dave Schmidt:

I don't know what kind of circus you've been

Dave Schmidt:

to prior, but usually those clowns are not like Pennywise

Dave Schmidt:

coming out of the forest.

Josh Bretl:

But clowns don't usually interact with me

Josh Bretl:

usually in a circus, but they're waiting for you at

Josh Bretl:

the door, they're helping you get in line for tickets.

Josh Bretl:

But the performers, there's multiple trapeze artists,

Josh Bretl:

there was guys climbing the chairs that got stacked on

Josh Bretl:

top of tables, there was the spinning wheels that

Josh Bretl:

people spun themselves around in, the rope artists

Josh Bretl:

hanging from the ceiling.

Josh Bretl:

But these are all people that just do this on the side,

Josh Bretl:

all live in Chicago, and once a year they perform.

Josh Bretl:

There was a ringmaster who sung this opening number.

Josh Bretl:

Everyone there was happy, from the performers to the audience.

Josh Bretl:

They served popcorn and cotton candy and

Josh Bretl:

everything was a dollar.

Josh Bretl:

You weren't getting jacked around for that.

Josh Bretl:

It was a little long, it probably was about half-an-hour

Josh Bretl:

longer than it needed to be.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay, I feel that.

Josh Bretl:

But if that's my only complaint,

Josh Bretl:

this was fantastic.

Josh Bretl:

There was probably 2000 people that were in there doing this.

Dave Schmidt:

Wow.

Josh Bretl:

So watching the circus, and they had two

Josh Bretl:

performances that day, I'm sure the second one sold out as well.

Josh Bretl:

So if anyone's listening, the Triton Troupers Circus

Josh Bretl:

was something that I would highly recommend if you

Josh Bretl:

have children, or even if you just feel like a child.

Dave Schmidt:

First of all, a lot of people are listening,

Dave Schmidt:

so I wouldn't say if anyone is listening, of course,

Dave Schmidt:

people are listening to this.

Josh Bretl:

It was more like, if you feel like a child or if

Josh Bretl:

you have children, if you're listening and have that.

Dave Schmidt:

So I feel at home with carnies like that.

Dave Schmidt:

Those are my people, because like you said,

Dave Schmidt:

they are normal people doing what they love to do.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm sure they're not getting paid a whole

Dave Schmidt:

lot of money to do that.

Josh Bretl:

Not at six-dollars a pop on admission.

Dave Schmidt:

No, definitely not.

Josh Bretl:

I just hope it was covering their cost.

Josh Bretl:

It was truly, it was cool.

Dave Schmidt:

Carnivals and circuses pop up a lot in my

Dave Schmidt:

universe, my universe of creepy movies and shows, and I just

Dave Schmidt:

have a deep, deep love for it.

Josh Bretl:

Actually, maybe this was a moment over

Josh Bretl:

the weekend where I had my inner Dave come out.

Josh Bretl:

I felt like I was part, I was really enjoying it.

Josh Bretl:

It was cool.

Dave Schmidt:

You had been taking more strides

Dave Schmidt:

in life to be like me, which I do appreciate.

Josh Bretl:

We're going to meet in the middle someday.

Josh Bretl:

Someday way down the road.

Dave Schmidt:

In return, I'm drinking out of your

Dave Schmidt:

University of Illinois mug.

Josh Bretl:

I have noticed this, the last two days

Josh Bretl:

you've been stealing my coffee cup in the office.

Dave Schmidt:

Mm-hmm.

Dave Schmidt:

couple reasons, one, I want to be like you when I grow up, but

Dave Schmidt:

two, I like the matte finish.

Dave Schmidt:

It's just a nice feeling mug.

Josh Bretl:

It's a nice size, it's wide, but it also

Josh Bretl:

narrows in the middle so the heat doesn't escape too bad.

Josh Bretl:

It's a good coffee mug.

Dave Schmidt:

It reminds me of Medicare Part D.

Josh Bretl:

Medicare Part D.

Josh Bretl:

Medicare.

Dave Schmidt:

Medicare, baby.

Josh Bretl:

So that's our topic today.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah, yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

People are well aware of that.

Josh Bretl:

I've been putting it off for a while, it's not

Josh Bretl:

something that ... Actually, Medicare is not something

Josh Bretl:

that we do in our office.

Josh Bretl:

We don't sell Medicare, we don't participate.

Josh Bretl:

We do, we have people here who are of Medicare age,

Josh Bretl:

my father being included.

Josh Bretl:

But we don't, this is not something we do for our

Josh Bretl:

clients on a normal basis.

Josh Bretl:

But because it is such an integral part of people's

Josh Bretl:

lives and retirement, it's something that we talk about

Josh Bretl:

with every single client that walks in the door, and

Josh Bretl:

it's probably one of the biggest questions people have.

Dave Schmidt:

I bet.

Dave Schmidt:

It seems very confusing.

Josh Bretl:

Well, when someone turns 64, I don't know why 64 is

Josh Bretl:

the magic age, I think they want to give themselves 12 months,

Josh Bretl:

they start receiving more mail, junk mail about Medicare than

Josh Bretl:

they could possibly imagine.

Dave Schmidt:

From who?

Josh Bretl:

People that want to sell them Medicare.

Josh Bretl:

You know the stereotype that used car salesmen have?

Dave Schmidt:

Mm-hmm.

Josh Bretl:

Medicare people may be worse on a whole.

Josh Bretl:

It's hard to find a good Medicare person.

Josh Bretl:

We're not going to talk about that, you already

Josh Bretl:

know this, but there's a part-two to this series here.

Josh Bretl:

Part-two, we are going to do our first live interview,

Josh Bretl:

and we, for years, have never referred out Medicare

Josh Bretl:

stuff, because there wasn't anyone we could trust.

Josh Bretl:

There was no one out there.

Josh Bretl:

We finally have found a wonderful Medicare person.

Josh Bretl:

The way it happened was my father was turning 65, he was

Josh Bretl:

becoming of Medicare age, and he didn't know who to turn to.

Josh Bretl:

He had a really good friend from high school

Josh Bretl:

who said to him, "Hey, I had this great experience

Josh Bretl:

with this guy Dave Wylly.

Josh Bretl:

You should sit down with him."

Josh Bretl:

So he did and this was life-changing, because we

Josh Bretl:

get approached all the time by Medicare people, "Hey,

Josh Bretl:

send me your clients."

Josh Bretl:

No, thank you.

Josh Bretl:

But Dave Wylly has been a life-saver for our clients

Josh Bretl:

and for us, he really does a great job and his

Josh Bretl:

knowledge is second-to-none.

Josh Bretl:

So part-two of this podcast series I spent 20 minutes

Josh Bretl:

talking to Dave about really the inner workings of it.

Josh Bretl:

So today, I want to talk about how it impacts retirees

Josh Bretl:

in some of the higher level stuff, so that when people

Josh Bretl:

listen to part-two with Dave and myself, they have,

Josh Bretl:

not you, Dave, they have a better understanding of it.

Dave Schmidt:

Let's get going, baby.

Josh Bretl:

Now, just so you guys know, if Dave sounds really

Josh Bretl:

excited during this podcast, this is probably the one topic

Josh Bretl:

that we talk about that bores the absolute snot out of you.

Josh Bretl:

I think it has to do with the fact that it's almost more

Josh Bretl:

nuance-y than the tax code.

Alex:

Hashtag tax nerd.

Dave Schmidt:

So Josh, what I do appreciate about you

Dave Schmidt:

though, it's such an enthralling topic, you didn't even bother

Dave Schmidt:

involving Erin, because she would have fallen asleep.

Dave Schmidt:

You took the time to write out a nice bullet point list of what

Dave Schmidt:

we'll be talking about today.

Josh Bretl:

I did.

Josh Bretl:

I wanted to hit some of the high level stuff, before Dave and I

Josh Bretl:

dig into it on part-two here.

Josh Bretl:

But planning for healthcare in retirement is a

Josh Bretl:

significant component of anyone's retirement.

Josh Bretl:

We talk about our own retirement planning process, and there's

Josh Bretl:

five components to it.

Josh Bretl:

One of them is healthcare, even though we don't work

Josh Bretl:

with Medicare here, healthcare is a major component.

Josh Bretl:

It's going to be a big expense for a lot of people, and taking

Josh Bretl:

control of it really matters.

Josh Bretl:

So depending upon when you retire will depend upon what

Josh Bretl:

your healthcare looks like.

Josh Bretl:

If you retire prior to age 65, you're going to have to find

Josh Bretl:

some private insurance, maybe continuation of your company

Josh Bretl:

policy, maybe we have to go over to the Exchange and find

Josh Bretl:

some health insurance that way, but that's part of it.

Josh Bretl:

But when you turn 65, almost everyone in this country

Josh Bretl:

will be impacted in some way, shape or form by Medicare.

Dave Schmidt:

Can I interrupt?

Dave Schmidt:

This may be one of the few times I have a question,

Dave Schmidt:

because you say almost everyone, who is not part of that?

Dave Schmidt:

Or is that not something you want to get into?

Josh Bretl:

No, that's a good question.

Josh Bretl:

In fact, as I said that, I'm in my head going,

Josh Bretl:

"It's never everybody, but it's a pretty good chunk."

Josh Bretl:

So when I say almost everybody, a lot of times

Josh Bretl:

if people are still working, they won't get Medicare.

Josh Bretl:

We have clients that we've talked about before

Josh Bretl:

who are moving overseas, they won't use Medicare.

Josh Bretl:

If you die before you get Medicare, you

Josh Bretl:

won't use Medicare.

Josh Bretl:

But other than that, almost every single person will

Josh Bretl:

be impacted in some way, shape or form by Medicare.

Josh Bretl:

We talk about Social Security, there's a chunk of our

Josh Bretl:

population who doesn't get Social Security because they

Josh Bretl:

have some other private pension or some other public pension.

Josh Bretl:

But Medicare, it touches everybody.

Josh Bretl:

So it can become extremely important in knowing

Josh Bretl:

some of the rules and stuff that go into there.

Josh Bretl:

So did that answer your question?

Dave Schmidt:

That's where my head was at.

Dave Schmidt:

I figured it was just nuanced, it was more based

Dave Schmidt:

on if you're still working or dead or things like that.

Josh Bretl:

No, that's the big one.

Josh Bretl:

People worry about Medicare, it's a government sponsored,

Josh Bretl:

it's a government run program, and some people

Josh Bretl:

get really hesitant about government run programs.

Josh Bretl:

For the most part, it's actually pretty darn good insurance.

Josh Bretl:

Unless you're coming from some amazing insurance policy,

Josh Bretl:

Medicare is not bad Now, the problem with Medicare is not

Josh Bretl:

every person will accept it.

Dave Schmidt:

Not every doctor?

Josh Bretl:

Physician, not every doctor, provider will accept it.

Josh Bretl:

The reason they don't is because if they accept

Josh Bretl:

Medicare, they have to play by Medicare's rules.

Josh Bretl:

Now, the vast majority, vast majority accept Medicare.

Josh Bretl:

Even in Chicago, some of the biggest hospitals, Northwestern,

Josh Bretl:

Rush, University of Chicago, they're all Medicare facilities.

Josh Bretl:

So one of the things that happens though is if they

Josh Bretl:

accept Medicare, they follow Medicare's rules.

Josh Bretl:

If they accept Medicare, it doesn't matter what they think,

Josh Bretl:

what they want to do, they have to play by Medicare's rules.

Dave Schmidt:

Sure.

Josh Bretl:

So the first thing you have to do is

Josh Bretl:

you have to find a provider that accepts Medicare, and I

Josh Bretl:

will tell you most providers that people are used to have

Josh Bretl:

probably accepted Medicare.

Josh Bretl:

So if that's the case, let's talk a little bit about it.

Josh Bretl:

The magic age for Medicare is 65 years old.

Dave Schmidt:

You're looking at me like, " Confirm that, Dave."

Dave Schmidt:

As if you want me to fact-check you.

Josh Bretl:

Can you be my Medicare fact-checker today?

Dave Schmidt:

Check the Google, Google says yes.

Josh Bretl:

That's what next week with Dave

Josh Bretl:

is for, Dave Wylly.

Josh Bretl:

But 65 years old is the magic age.

Josh Bretl:

Now, there are ways that people get it younger if

Josh Bretl:

they're disabled or have certain medical conditions,

Josh Bretl:

but everyone at 65 years old becomes eligible for it.

Josh Bretl:

Okay?

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

Now, there are three parts to Medicare,

Josh Bretl:

and I'm actually going to go off of our notes here.

Josh Bretl:

Our notes say there are four parts.

Josh Bretl:

They say, "A, B, C, and D."

Josh Bretl:

I'm actually going to take C out of it, C is

Josh Bretl:

not technically a part of Medicare, it's a different

Josh Bretl:

option as that comes in.

Josh Bretl:

We're going to talk about that in depth next week with Dave.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Josh Bretl:

But A, B and D are all federally run

Josh Bretl:

Medicare programs, they all cover different parts.

Josh Bretl:

So A is free, everybody gets A, it doesn't cost anything.

Josh Bretl:

A is your hospital coverage, it covers the building

Josh Bretl:

that you walk into.

Josh Bretl:

B, you have to sign up for, you have to apply

Josh Bretl:

for it, and B costs money.

Josh Bretl:

It doesn't matter who you are, every month,

Josh Bretl:

B, you will pay for B.

Josh Bretl:

Same with D.

Josh Bretl:

Now, B covers the person inside the building, so it covers

Josh Bretl:

your doctors, your nurses, things along those lines.

Josh Bretl:

D, which is the newest form of Medicare, covers your

Josh Bretl:

prescription drugs, so it covers the medications that you take.

Josh Bretl:

There's different rules with it, you can enroll

Josh Bretl:

in A and not B and D.

Josh Bretl:

A lot of people do that, A, being free, might as well

Josh Bretl:

have some additional coverage.

Josh Bretl:

A lot of people will wait to enroll for B or D until

Josh Bretl:

they retire or need it or whenever that comes into play.

Josh Bretl:

If you don't do it in a timely manner, there can be penalties

Josh Bretl:

and things along those lines, but just be aware of that there.

Josh Bretl:

C is what we call a Medicare Advantage Plan, it's not run

Josh Bretl:

by the US government, it's run by private insurance.

Josh Bretl:

So if you take C, you don't get A and B.

Josh Bretl:

We'll get into that next week, but when people

Josh Bretl:

talk about C, it's not truly federal insurance.

Dave Schmidt:

Got it.

Dave Schmidt:

Run by the Blue Crosses of the world?

Josh Bretl:

Yeah, private insurance companies.

Josh Bretl:

Now cost and coverage, our bullet point here on cost

Josh Bretl:

and coverage, Medicare can be costly, and it is

Josh Bretl:

important to understand true out-of-pocket expenses.

Josh Bretl:

So looking at your own individual situation, you

Josh Bretl:

want to look at premiums, deductibles, co-payments,

Josh Bretl:

and coinsurance, and Medicare has all of those.

Josh Bretl:

But also, how much you pay determines on your income.

Josh Bretl:

So as we're doing tax planning for people, one of

Josh Bretl:

the additional taxes that people have is the increased

Josh Bretl:

Medicare cost, we call it the IRMAA thresholds, Income

Josh Bretl:

Related Monthly Adjustment Amount, I think is what

Josh Bretl:

IRMAA stands for there.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, two As at the end.

Josh Bretl:

Yeah, there's two As.

Josh Bretl:

I always forget if it's two As or two Ms, it's

Josh Bretl:

either IRMMA or IRMAA.

Josh Bretl:

I think it's the second one, I'm not positive.

Josh Bretl:

If Erin was here, she'd correct me, she corrects me every

Josh Bretl:

time, but I never remember.

Josh Bretl:

So it's like spelling restaurant, I can't

Josh Bretl:

spell restaurant.

Dave Schmidt:

You can't spell restaurant?

Josh Bretl:

No, it's start with an R and ends with a T.

Josh Bretl:

There's stuff in the middle, there's a U, there's an A,

Josh Bretl:

there's an R, what order it goes in, I can't spell

Josh Bretl:

it for the life of me.

Dave Schmidt:

No, I am a former spelling bee champ,

Dave Schmidt:

2nd, 3rd and 4th grade, so I'm a little embarrassed to

Dave Schmidt:

be sitting across the table.

Dave Schmidt:

You eat at so many restaurants.

Josh Bretl:

Yeah, I can probably spell the name of

Josh Bretl:

the restaurants more than I can spell restaurant.

Dave Schmidt:

:

Spell Fogo de Chao.

Josh Bretl:

F-O-G-O D-E C-H ... I don't know.

Dave Schmidt:

:

You're like, "Meat."

Dave Schmidt:

:

All right, perfect.

Dave Schmidt:

:

Moving on, moving on.

Dave Schmidt:

:

He can't spell restaurant, folks.

Josh Bretl:

Now, Medicare only covers certain components,

Josh Bretl:

there's a limit to what Medicare will cover, so that's where the

Josh Bretl:

co-payments, the coinsurance, that comes into play.

Josh Bretl:

What a lot of people will buy on top of Medicare is a

Josh Bretl:

Medicare supplement, sometimes referred to as a Medigap Policy.

Josh Bretl:

It makes up the differences, and those are sold by private

Josh Bretl:

insurance companies, so the Blue Crosses of the world, United

Josh Bretl:

Healthcare, all of that stuff.

Josh Bretl:

So all of that junk mail that I told you people were

Josh Bretl:

getting, it's not coming from the US government, it's

Josh Bretl:

coming from these insurance companies that want to sell

Josh Bretl:

people those Medigap or Medicare supplements, as well

Josh Bretl:

as the Medicare Advantage.

Josh Bretl:

A lot of it's Medicare Advantage, they love to

Josh Bretl:

sell Medicare Advantage, big commissions in those.

Dave Schmidt:

Sure.

Josh Bretl:

Now, for some people they work well, but you want

Josh Bretl:

to make an educated decision as that comes into play.

Dave Schmidt:

I've started researching that for when

Dave Schmidt:

I retire and get my calf implants, I need to have

Dave Schmidt:

specific Medigap insurance.

Josh Bretl:

I've seen your calves, you don't need implants.

Dave Schmidt:

But I want them bigger.

Josh Bretl:

You want them bigger?

Josh Bretl:

I think they have reality shows about that out in

Josh Bretl:

Los Angeles somewhere.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm sure they do.

Josh Bretl:

Now, for A and B, you're not usually looking

Josh Bretl:

to review that every year.

Josh Bretl:

Now, you might review your Medigap coverage or

Josh Bretl:

your supplement there, because the pricing could

Josh Bretl:

change, there are different things that could happen.

Josh Bretl:

Now, the nice thing with Medigap insurance,

Dave Schmidt:

Supplement?

Josh Bretl:

The supplement, is every company is required

Josh Bretl:

to cover the same things.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Josh Bretl:

So every company's policy is identical, but

Josh Bretl:

they may have different premium amounts, so they

Josh Bretl:

may cost different amounts.

Josh Bretl:

So looking at those on an annual basis becomes important.

Dave Schmidt:

Are you locked into terms or contracts?

Josh Bretl:

I'm going to get into that next week with

Josh Bretl:

Dave Wylly a little bit.

Josh Bretl:

When you first sign up, be it age 65 or whenever you retire,

Josh Bretl:

you can go to any company you want, they can't limit you

Josh Bretl:

based on preexisting conditions.

Josh Bretl:

But if you change companies, they can run

Josh Bretl:

you through a medical.

Josh Bretl:

So the first decision you make, you have to

Josh Bretl:

be well aware of that.

Josh Bretl:

So if you change, if you want to switch at 75 years old and

Josh Bretl:

you've been on it for 10 years, they can actually decline you.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Josh Bretl:

Now, there is one company here in Illinois, Blue

Josh Bretl:

Cross Blue Shield that does not, they'll take anybody,

Josh Bretl:

so it's nice to have that one advantage or that one plan

Josh Bretl:

that's out there for that.

Josh Bretl:

Now, the other part is prescription drug coverage.

Dave Schmidt:

Part D.

Josh Bretl:

Part D, that is something that you want to

Josh Bretl:

look at every single year.

Josh Bretl:

The reason for it is because the drugs you take every year

Josh Bretl:

could change, each company covers drugs differently.

Josh Bretl:

There is no federal mandate to say, "Hey, you have to

Josh Bretl:

cover this drug by this much and that drug by this much."

Josh Bretl:

Every company gets to determine that.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, wow.

Dave Schmidt:

So it's like line item by line item.

Josh Bretl:

Line item by line item, and this happens in the

Josh Bretl:

fourth quarter every year, you need to look at that.

Josh Bretl:

They cover it with different amounts, so one company

Josh Bretl:

may say, "Hey, this is a five-dollar a month drug."

Josh Bretl:

The other company may say that same drug, the same prescription

Josh Bretl:

might be $50 a month.

Dave Schmidt:

That could change year to year?

Josh Bretl:

Year to year.

Dave Schmidt:

Wow.

Josh Bretl:

So just because it was cheap this year,

Josh Bretl:

doesn't mean it's going to be cheap next year.

Josh Bretl:

So Every year that is something that needs to be

Josh Bretl:

re-looked at, and Dave has a great strategy of how he does

Josh Bretl:

that and what he recommends.

Josh Bretl:

So Medicare is something that people should not be afraid of,

Josh Bretl:

it's not something that they should run away with fear, but

Josh Bretl:

it's something that they need to look at every single year.

Josh Bretl:

It's something that, if they're truly going to

Josh Bretl:

own their retirement, this is part of that.

Josh Bretl:

This is not something you want to bury your head in

Josh Bretl:

the sand, this is something that you want to be proactive

Josh Bretl:

in that planning process.

Dave Schmidt:

I like it, because it sounds a lot like

Dave Schmidt:

when you talk about taxes.

Dave Schmidt:

You retire, you have all this control with your taxes, and

Dave Schmidt:

with Medicare, same thing.

Dave Schmidt:

You have all this control in your retirement, you've just got

Dave Schmidt:

to make sure you actually do it.

Josh Bretl:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

It's your life, this is a time when you actually have the

Josh Bretl:

power to do something about it.

Josh Bretl:

Taxes, investments, health insurance, it's all-

Dave Schmidt:

Sushi restaurants that Josh can't spell.

Josh Bretl:

Sushi, I can spell sushi.

Dave Schmidt:

Well, yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

You can spell sushi.

Josh Bretl:

S-U-S-H-I.

Josh Bretl:

Restaurant?

Josh Bretl:

Mm-mm.

Dave Schmidt:

What's the plural of sushi?

Josh Bretl:

Sushi's.

Josh Bretl:

I don't know.

Josh Bretl:

But no, that is the joy of Medicare.

Josh Bretl:

Didn't I make that painless for you?

Dave Schmidt:

You did, and actually we're doing

Dave Schmidt:

really good on time too.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm really quite impressed.

Josh Bretl:

You thought I was going to drone on and on.

Dave Schmidt:

I thought so.

Dave Schmidt:

I thought you'd be like, at 24-minute mark, still

Dave Schmidt:

on bullet point two.

Josh Bretl:

That's what next week's for, I knew we

Josh Bretl:

were doing a two-parter.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

I encourage everyone to come back for next

Josh Bretl:

week's, or the next episode, it won't be next week, but

Josh Bretl:

next episode, because we've already recorded it, it's

Josh Bretl:

a fantastic recap there.

Dave Schmidt:

Perfect.

Dave Schmidt:

Well, you did cover all of our bullet points.

Dave Schmidt:

Anything else you'd like to say on Medicare or are you good?

Josh Bretl:

No, I want to get to know you.

Dave Schmidt:

Josh, it's so forthcoming of you.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah, what?

Dave Schmidt:

What?

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Dave Schmidt:

Hey, Mister Josh, let's take a break.

Dave Schmidt:

You've been talking for so long and my ears are sore.

Dave Schmidt:

Let's not make them snore, listening shouldn't be a chore.

Dave Schmidt:

Nope.

Dave Schmidt:

So let's get to know Josh and Dave-

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Dave Schmidt:

and watch our ratings soar!

Josh Bretl:

Cheep, cheep.

Dave Schmidt:

Aw, yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

Were you planning that, or was that impromptu?

Josh Bretl:

No, I actually was not planning that, but

Josh Bretl:

as I was listening to the song, I was thinking, "What

Josh Bretl:

bird can I do this time?"

Josh Bretl:

I went, "Cheep, cheep."

Dave Schmidt:

You would be a great candidate to take

Dave Schmidt:

classes at Second City, the way you come up with these

Dave Schmidt:

bird sounds is just majestic.

Josh Bretl:

Oh, yeah.

Josh Bretl:

Me and improv, I can roll with anything.

Dave Schmidt:

You do love to talk.

Dave Schmidt:

So all right, we've got Pod Decks over there, you did not

Dave Schmidt:

go through it, so I assume you have a question for me.

Josh Bretl:

I did not, but like the bird sound, I came

Josh Bretl:

up with a question and it's something that I don't know

Josh Bretl:

about you that I'd like to.

Dave Schmidt:

Again, very forthcoming.

Dave Schmidt:

I appreciate that.

Josh Bretl:

So if you were to be in the circus, what

Josh Bretl:

part of the circus would you like to partake in?

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, my ... That's a great question.

Dave Schmidt:

I've considered a career in the circus, believe you me.

Josh Bretl:

I actually do believe you.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, absolutely.

Dave Schmidt:

It would be amazing.

Dave Schmidt:

So apart from me not having horns on my head

Dave Schmidt:

or being eight-feet tall-

Josh Bretl:

yeah, the circus didn't have any of that.

Josh Bretl:

Are you going to spin yourself around?

Josh Bretl:

Flip upside-down?

Dave Schmidt:

No, no.

Josh Bretl:

Ooh, you're the strong man.

Dave Schmidt:

Definitely not the strong man.

Dave Schmidt:

So you've played basketball with me a few times in your life.

Josh Bretl:

A couple times in the past.

Dave Schmidt:

Do you remember what our good friend Kevin

Dave Schmidt:

used to say about me?

Josh Bretl:

You couldn't get a piece of paper under your legs?

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah, I have a negative vertical jump.

Dave Schmidt:

So if I were part of the circus, I would be the Cirque de Soleil.

Dave Schmidt:

I'd be the acrobats up in the air doing flips, the trapeze

Dave Schmidt:

artist, because it would be like I'm floating on air and

Dave Schmidt:

my big massive body would be flung around by people.

Josh Bretl:

Can you imagine the girls who'd try to catch you,

Josh Bretl:

like you're flying at them.

Dave Schmidt:

If I'm retired, I'm going to

Dave Schmidt:

have my calf implants, so I'd be even heavier.

Dave Schmidt:

Just like I've never been able to dunk, something about

Dave Schmidt:

being able to just float and fly, that is what I'd be.

Dave Schmidt:

I think if I remember the names right, Dick Grayson in

Dave Schmidt:

Batman, I believe he was the Robin in Batman, his family

Dave Schmidt:

was trapeze artists and that's how his parents died actually.

Josh Bretl:

Oh, that's sad.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah, very sad.

Josh Bretl:

Let's bring it down.

Josh Bretl:

Let's make everybody cry here, Dave.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah, that's how we do it, Josh.

Dave Schmidt:

How about you?

Josh Bretl:

Well, I definitely don't want to fly,

Josh Bretl:

I have a fear of heights.

Josh Bretl:

I get motion sickness.

Josh Bretl:

In fact, the last act were these ladies on ropes spinning

Josh Bretl:

themselves around like crazy, and my son Alex looks at

Josh Bretl:

me, he goes, "I'd throw-up."

Josh Bretl:

I was like, "Yeah, me too, buddy."

Dave Schmidt:

That's awesome.

Josh Bretl:

I'd want to be the ringmaster.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh.

Dave Schmidt:

Would you sing?

Josh Bretl:

Oh, yeah.

Josh Bretl:

I'd sing.

Josh Bretl:

If you're flying through the air, I'm singing.

Josh Bretl:

Here's why, and again, I've never been to the circus

Josh Bretl:

before, but this guy comes out in the first act and it's like

Josh Bretl:

everyone's out there and he is singing, he is getting the

Josh Bretl:

energy up, and he has command.

Josh Bretl:

He was the first person to make everybody happy, and

Josh Bretl:

I was like, "I want to make people happy like that guy."

Dave Schmidt:

You want to set the stage.

Josh Bretl:

I want to set the stage for it.

Josh Bretl:

So I want to be the ringmaster.

Dave Schmidt:

It is funny how-

Josh Bretl:

that will surprise nobody.

Josh Bretl:

My mother will listen to this thing and go,

Josh Bretl:

"Yep, of course you do."

Dave Schmidt:

You have to control everything.

Dave Schmidt:

I too have a fear of heights, and I get

Dave Schmidt:

motion sickness as well.

Dave Schmidt:

I just think it goes back to, if I'm in the circus,

Dave Schmidt:

I can be somebody who I'm not in my day-to-day life.

Dave Schmidt:

I can be flying like a soaring eagle through the

Dave Schmidt:

air going, "Ca-ca" like you.

Josh Bretl:

Cheep, cheep.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

Maybe poop on a few people in the audience.

Dave Schmidt:

That's a really great impromptu get-to-know

Dave Schmidt:

Josh and Dave question.

Josh Bretl:

I'm glad, the cards are way down there,

Josh Bretl:

I couldn't reach them.

Dave Schmidt:

Speaking of can't reach, I can't

Dave Schmidt:

really see the screen.

Dave Schmidt:

Hang on.

Josh Bretl:

Oh, hold on.

Alex:

Hashtag tax nerd.

Dave Schmidt:

Nope, that's not the one I want.

Josh Bretl:

Wrong button.

Dave Schmidt:

Yep, wrong one.

Josh Bretl:

Is this the one?

Dave Schmidt:

Dave relates to retirees.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

Thank you.

Josh Bretl:

I didn't walk over the top-

Dave Schmidt:

No, I appreciate that.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay, so despite Medicare being really boring to me, I have

Dave Schmidt:

two takeaways about Medicare.

Dave Schmidt:

One is that everybody gets it, regardless of whether

Dave Schmidt:

or not they want it.

Dave Schmidt:

The second part is that you're going to have it assigned

Dave Schmidt:

to you, you have options, so you better optimize it for

Dave Schmidt:

yourself and for your situation.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay?

Josh Bretl:

Okay.

Dave Schmidt:

So it's just like US history class in high school.

Josh Bretl:

Mr.

Josh Bretl:

Tourney?

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

Anybody that knows me, or anybody that's listened to

Dave Schmidt:

the podcast knows that I struggled during high school,

Dave Schmidt:

I was very disinterested.

Josh Bretl:

Just with academics.

Josh Bretl:

Other than that, you were rock solid.

Dave Schmidt:

Off-campus lunch and basketball

Dave Schmidt:

were my strengths.

Dave Schmidt:

So I was forced to take US history, I had no

Dave Schmidt:

interest, I still don't, and I'm thinking, "Okay.

Dave Schmidt:

Well, I've got to take this class, so how can I make

Dave Schmidt:

the best use of this time?"

Dave Schmidt:

I have two options, either I could say, "No, I'm not

Dave Schmidt:

taking US history, I'm going to drop out of high

Dave Schmidt:

school and become one of those cool kids that just-"

Josh Bretl:

How close were you to that?

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, hours.

Dave Schmidt:

It was a realistic option, I would disappoint my

Dave Schmidt:

whole family, my parents, drop out of high school.

Josh Bretl:

You get used to that after a while, I've heard.

Dave Schmidt:

And work at Bruegger's Bagels

Dave Schmidt:

the rest of my life.

Dave Schmidt:

Or option B, I could bully my friend Josh into doing

Dave Schmidt:

my homework and projects for me, so that I would

Dave Schmidt:

pass US history class.

Dave Schmidt:

I say the word bully, I really didn't, I asked really nicely.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm like, "Hey, can you help me with this?"

Dave Schmidt:

As soon as you started helping me, I walked away and let

Dave Schmidt:

you take over everything.

Josh Bretl:

You're actually remembering it incorrectly.

Dave Schmidt:

Really?

Josh Bretl:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

You actually put in so little effort that I was worried about

Josh Bretl:

you graduating from high school.

Dave Schmidt:

I tried to give myself more credit,

Dave Schmidt:

tell me how it really went.

Josh Bretl:

No.

Josh Bretl:

We were doing projects and I liked US history class, actually

Josh Bretl:

I liked the teacher a lot, he was very big into technology,

Josh Bretl:

we were making videos, we did all sorts of really cool stuff.

Josh Bretl:

You just refused to do any of it.

Josh Bretl:

You were a new budding friendship that I had, and I was

Josh Bretl:

like, "Dave, do you want help?

Josh Bretl:

You have to do this.

Josh Bretl:

Here, let's do it."

Josh Bretl:

I remember sitting up in the Creativity Lab in the second

Josh Bretl:

floor of York High School, and I made you get pictures ... I

Josh Bretl:

think your mother gave me the pictures to use in the

Josh Bretl:

project, and I did make you sit there with me and do it.

Dave Schmidt:

This is coming back.

Dave Schmidt:

This is all coming back.

Josh Bretl:

I was like, "I'm going to make you

Josh Bretl:

graduate high school."

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, my God.

Dave Schmidt:

You're right.

Dave Schmidt:

You did ask my mom for pictures.

Dave Schmidt:

Why was I the only senior in that class of juniors?

Josh Bretl:

Because you failed it junior year.

Josh Bretl:

You did, you were take-two on this.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, my gosh.

Dave Schmidt:

This has become very humbling.

Josh Bretl:

But your background to this, I understand it, sure.

Josh Bretl:

Now, I hope you take more, when it's time for Medicare

Josh Bretl:

for you, or anyone who's listening, I'm sure you're not

Josh Bretl:

the only one who's listening that felt the same way about a

Josh Bretl:

certain class in high school.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

But when it's time for Medicare, you need

Josh Bretl:

to either figure it out on your own, or find someone

Josh Bretl:

like me who's really going to care about you and make sure

Josh Bretl:

that you do what's right.

Josh Bretl:

Because yes, you could have dropped out of high

Josh Bretl:

school and I'm glad you didn't, as is Becks, but

Josh Bretl:

... Dave Schmidt: And Big Mike.

Josh Bretl:

And Big Mike.

Josh Bretl:

But with Medicare, you don't have a choice, and they're

Josh Bretl:

not going to drop you out, there's not an option B, you

Josh Bretl:

can't just do something else.

Josh Bretl:

You're going to get it, and it could be a financial nightmare,

Josh Bretl:

or it can determine what kind of ... If you have a health

Josh Bretl:

issue or something like that, it can determine how much coverage

Josh Bretl:

or what kind of care you can get afterwards, and how much

Josh Bretl:

money you can waste and lose, and things along those lines.

Josh Bretl:

So I do see it, and there are people out there who care about

Josh Bretl:

you and will make sure that you graduate, or at least that

Josh Bretl:

you get the right coverage, you don't pay more than you have

Josh Bretl:

to, and you can put yourself and your family in a situation

Josh Bretl:

where you own your healthcare coverage and retirement.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm going to give people a little inside scoop

Dave Schmidt:

as to what's going through my head right now, not as if I

Dave Schmidt:

ever hold back, but I imagine Josh and I and our friend Matt

Dave Schmidt:

having dinner or lunch when we're 65 years old, talking

Dave Schmidt:

about the good old days.

Dave Schmidt:

The topic will come up, Josh will be like, "Matt,

Dave Schmidt:

how are you doing with your Medicare coverage?"

Dave Schmidt:

Matt will be like, "I'm doing great, Josh.

Dave Schmidt:

How are you?"

Dave Schmidt:

Josh will be like, "Oh, I've been set for years."

Dave Schmidt:

The both of you will slowly look at me, I'll have a

Dave Schmidt:

stack of papers, I'll have disheveled hair, and I'll just

Dave Schmidt:

throw the papers in the air, I'll be like, "I am so lost."

Dave Schmidt:

Josh will be like, "David, I've got you."

Dave Schmidt:

That's how I see it going.

Josh Bretl:

I've got you.

Dave Schmidt:

I've got you.

Josh Bretl:

I'm also a year younger than you, so I'll

Josh Bretl:

have to be proactive and make sure that you get your

Josh Bretl:

stuff taken care of here.

Dave Schmidt:

Fair enough, man.

Dave Schmidt:

Who knew we'd have so much fun with Medicare?

Dave Schmidt:

Did you know that?

Josh Bretl:

That was the most serious DR2R, we

Josh Bretl:

really went back deep not talking about basketball.

Dave Schmidt:

I do appreciate bringing to light the facts

Dave Schmidt:

of how it all went down in high school, not my

Dave Schmidt:

revisionist history of it.

Dave Schmidt:

All right, Josh, let's give people ... So part-two is

Dave Schmidt:

coming up in a few weeks here.

Josh Bretl:

Yeah, we're going to talk to David Wylly, our

Josh Bretl:

local Medicare expert who we refer to in our office, and

Josh Bretl:

we really break down some nitty-gritty, some of the things

Josh Bretl:

that everyone needs to know.

Josh Bretl:

If that's all you know, it should be enough to get

Josh Bretl:

you through US history.

Josh Bretl:

But it's a great podcast, it's not boring, it will not

Josh Bretl:

put you to sleep like it did to Dave in US history class.

Josh Bretl:

But it's a must listen for anyone who is going to have

Josh Bretl:

Medicare be part of their life.

Dave Schmidt:

Perfect.

Dave Schmidt:

For some people like me, I have no choice,

Dave Schmidt:

I have to listen to it.

Josh Bretl:

That's true, yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

Awesome.

Dave Schmidt:

So we're not saying bye anymore, instead we're

Dave Schmidt:

saying, "Arrivederci, Josh."

Dave Schmidt:

Is that how you say it?

Dave Schmidt:

Arrivederci.

Josh Bretl:

I can't spell restaurant, you

Josh Bretl:

want me to say that?

Dave Schmidt:

Arrivederci.

Josh Bretl:

Buenos noches.

Dave Schmidt:

Buenos noches, I like it.

Dave Schmidt:

All right, cool.

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