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The Son of David
Episode 117th October 2021 • Our Hope Podcast • Chosen People Ministries
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In this episode, Chosen People Ministries president Dr. Mitch Glaser introduces messianic prophecy and shares how it has shaped his life. We also examine what Psalm 89 and 2 Samuel 7:12-14 say about the Messiah, Israel’s deliverer and king.

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Welcome to Our Hope,

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a production of Chosen People Ministries.

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On this podcast you will hear inspiring testimonies,

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learn about Messianic apologetics and discover

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God's plan for Israel and you.

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Wherever you're listening, we hope you lean in,

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listen closely and be blessed.

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The writers of the New Testament clearly believed

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that the Old Testament, or Tanakh, speaks of a coming

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Messiah who would save Israel from her enemies.

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Not only that—they taught that Jesus is that Messiah.

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He rescues those who believe in Him from sin

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and when he returns, he will fulfill everything

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that Scripture says about the Messiah.

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In this season of Our Hope Podcast,

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we will look at different passages of the Old Testament

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and chat with our guests about what these writings

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tell us about the Messiah.

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To open this new season,

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we will explain what Messianic

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prophecy is and explore two specific prophecies about

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Yeshua’s role as Israel’s deliverer and king.

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Our guest today is Dr.

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Mitch Glaser, president of Chosen People Ministries.

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I now introduce the host of Our Hope podcast, Abe Vazquez.

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(Abe) Welcome back to season seven of Our Hope.

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I am so excited to finally be back.

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We had a bit of an extended break thanks to

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a wonderful conference we recently held called 9/11

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and the New Middle East.

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Where can people watch that, Nicole?

Nicole:

911theconference.com.

Abe:

I kind of threw that at you, 911theconference.com.

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You can watch this wonderful conference.

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We had Anne Graham Lotz, we had Joel Rosenberg.

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We had just such

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wonderful guest pastors who served during 9/11.

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And I know we're probably a little far away from it, but

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I really believe the messages

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that were spoken remain relevant and are pretty timeless.

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But today, we're finally back.

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And for the first time,

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we have our guest in the studio with us.

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Mitch, it's such a pleasure to interview you not over Zooom

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It's always a pleasure not to be surrounded by a littl

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box over my head.

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That's great.

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So, you know, Mitch,

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you've been on this podcast many times before.

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I'm just wondering if you could tell everyone

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how long you've been leading Chosen People Ministries?

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Longer than the podcast.

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So I began in May of 1997.

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And so it's coming on 25 years.

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And it's been one of the best experiences of my life,

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living for the Lord and in service among my Jewish people.

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It's been tremendous time, and I think I'll keep

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going for a while.

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After 25 years,

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I would imagine this

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Covid season is probably the most challenging

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you've faced as a leader. It has been very challenging.

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I mean, we went through 9/11, we went through Sandy,

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we went through rescuing Russian Jewish people,

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jumping out of their windows into the Atlantic Ocean.

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That was down the block from their house

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when it should have been a quarter mile away.

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And figuring out how to do outreach at that time

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So there's been a lot

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of challenges and Covid is certainly way up there.

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But the one thing I've learned from the other challenges

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is that we need to trust in the Lord, be patient.

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And he works these things out.

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And that's what I'm doing and that's where we're going.

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So it's it's good.

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And what Bible verse or passage has God

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been using to help you in this current season?

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It's my lifelong verse, no matter what.

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It's good for every season.

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1 Corinthians 15:58, Knowing

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that the work that we do is never in vain in the Lord.

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"So be steadfast, immovable,

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always abounding in the work of the Lord,

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knowing that your work for Him is never in vain.

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It's never in vain." Abe and Nicole, you just

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keep swimming through it.

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And He clears the path

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and makes your life fruitful because the word of God never

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comes back void.

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And this podcast

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is all about pressing on and putting out the word of God

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So we know, that this is going to be fruitful. Nicole: Amen.

Abe:

Amen. Alright. So let's jump into the topic.

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Messianic prophecy.

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So I have a question for you. It should be pretty easy.

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When is Jesus returning?

Date and time? Mitch:

OK,

Date and time? Mitch:

now you promise not to stone me if I'm wrong?

Date and time? Mitch:

So OK. So my view on scripture is that it could be any moment.

Date and time? Mitch:

Yeah. Mm hmm. Abe: Perfect. That's great.

Date and time? Mitch:

That's great. Mitch: You know why, though?

Date and time? Mitch:

He doesn't tell us.

Date and time? Mitch:

Ah. See, nobody asks the question. Abe: You're right

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The reason why is because the Lord knows u

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so well that some of us would even try and cram

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holiness before the final exam.

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You know what I mean?

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And so He doesn't want us to know.

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He keeps us guessing. Yeah.

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So that we stay on the straight and narrow for our whole lives.

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That's my point.

Yeah. Abe:

Hmm. So, again, the topic of this season,

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this entire season is Messianic prophecy.

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Mitch, could you

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help us understand what Messiah means? Mitch: Sure

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Messiah, which is sometimes

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translated to Christ, of course, in the New Testament

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They're really both the same terms. Messiah is from

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the Hebrew "Mashiach".

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Messiah is a transliteration, not a translation.

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Understand the difference.

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Yes. Mitch: And then Christus is

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the Greek and Christ is the transliteration.

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So rather than translate these terms, the Bible

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translators, rightfully so, simply transliterate them.

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And so you're speaking Hebrew every time you say Messiah.

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We just think it's an English word, you know.

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And so the Messiah, the Hebrew word, "Mashiach" means anointed

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And there were three anointed offices in Israel.

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And by anointed, it meant that literally oil was poured over

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their heads as a symbol of God's power and blessing.

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And so there's the prophet who was anointed.

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There's the priest who was anointed.

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Then there was the king who was anointed.

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And so in our understanding,

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the Messiah is the one who puts together all three offices.

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He's God's prophet, God's priest, and He's God's king.

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And certainly Jesus fits all of those categories.

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He speaks for God. He died for our sins.

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He not only was the priest, He was the sacrifice.

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And He's our coming king.

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And I think that's the one we're going to be looking

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at a little more carefully today.

Abe:

For sure. For sure.

Mitch:

Yeah. And Mitch, having being on this side of

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the resurrection and the ascension

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and knowing everything that the New Testament says,

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why is it important that we still discuss

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Messianic prophecies from the Hebrew scriptures?

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Well, first of all, everything in

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the Bible is important.

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And so and it's not static.

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It's dynamic because it's the word of God.

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And so there's lessons and blessing to be

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had in just understanding prophecy that was fulfilled.

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But secondly, it's also evidentiary.

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And so if you want to demonstrate to someone,

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particularly a Jewish person who may understand the Hebrew

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scriptures, the Old Testament, and is looking for the Messiah,

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how would they ever know

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that the Messiah came once and is coming again?

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If you can't demonstrate that the prophecies that

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that were quoted

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in the New Testament as fulfillments were accurate

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representations of what was in the Old Testament.

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And so it's a great way

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to demonstrate to your Jewish friends,

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or if you're Jewish and you're listening,

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if you look at Messianic

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prophecy, prophecies of the Messiah, you'll see that

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there are two kinds.

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One, there are prophecies of His first coming

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and then there are prophecies of a second coming.

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Right. Mitch: And both are true.

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It's just that the second

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coming ones have not been fulfilled yet.

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And probably just as you said, Nicole, we're

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not looking on the other side of the second coming.

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So we're we may not be

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as accurate about fulfill prophecy

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as we are about prophecies of His first coming.

Nicole:

That's right.

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And speaking of first coming versus second coming prophecies

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one of the prophecies

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that we're going to discuss today is 2 Samuel 7:12 to 14.

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And in these verses, God promises David,

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Israel's great king,

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that one of his descendants will sit on the throne forever.

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The core of the promise is found in verses 12 to 16.

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Mitch, can you walk us through

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this incredible covenantal promise of God to David?

Mitch:

Sure, I'd love to.

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This is a very, very

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important prophecy and promise because it's also a covenant.

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Now, oftentimes the promises in the Hebrew scriptures are coven

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In Genesis 12:1–3,

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there's a great promise to Abraham that he'll

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become a great nation.

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He'll have a land, that he will have his people,

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his descendants will have a relationship with God,

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and that he will be a blessing to the world.

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Now, all of that is a promise.

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It's a prophecy, but it's also a covenant,

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because God says I'm going to make this happen.

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And he has made it happen.

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Hence, the Jewish people, the land of Israel and so on.

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Now, this is both a prophecy, a promise and a covenant.

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It's an agreement. It's an agreement.

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And so, Nathan, who's the one that God chose

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to deliver this message to David

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says, "When your days are complete, you lie down

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with your fathers." That's in verse 12.

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2 Samuel 7, verse 12.

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I will raise up your descendants or descendant after you.

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Who will come forth from you?

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And I will establish his

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kingdom. So clearly a son of David will be

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the future king of Israel.

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Now, this is, sort of a new take

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on the kings of Israel because the Jewish people

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demanded a king, God allowed them to have Saul,

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but didn't really want them to have a king.

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And so, of course, Israel failed at at following the king

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and the king failed leading his people.

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And so this is a new start.

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And for whatever reason, I'm sure it's based in grace

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because He's a gracious God,

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sometimes the Lord gives us what we want.

Mitch:

And so He is now giving the Jewish people a king

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Only He's going to do it His way now. Yeah.

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And so He selected David out of this group of of childre

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and and chose David to be the promised king.

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And now He's talking to David, who's already the king,

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and He's saying, you know, this thing's going to continue.

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So I'm creating what we call a dynasty.

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We're creating a dynasty.

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So I will establish his kingdom.

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Now, David had a lot of sons, so not exactly. This

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verse doesn't tell us which son it's going to be.

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But now we know it was Solomon,

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but it doesn't say so at this point.

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I will be a father to him. He will be a son to me.

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Look at that relationship between father and son.

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And in fact, this is the way God treated David.

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He treated David as a son, sometimes an erring son,

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and He exercised grace and forgiveness with Davi

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that few of us would,

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we don't want to tempt

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God to treat us in the same way by doing what David did.

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And so it's better to be

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obedient. And so but He treated David like a son

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And look what He says,

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"He shall build a house for My name." OK, Davidic dynasty.

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And I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

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That's so critical.

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Now, notice in this covenant, He doesn't say that these thing

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need to happen in order for my dynasty to be a forever dynasty

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God simply says it's going to be a forever dynasty.

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In the Mosaic Covenant, He says, if you do this, I'll do this.

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If you don't do this, then I will do this

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blessing and judgment.

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In the Abrahamic covenant, it's more of a grace covenant.

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God says I will fulfill

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these promises and

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the Davidic covenant is saying the same thing.

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So the Davidic covenant

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technically is an unconditional covenant.

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It's without conditions.

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The Abrahamic covenant is unconditional without condition

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or the conditions are based upon God's power to perform

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those conditions.

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Mosaic covenant. Well, that's a kind of a different story.

Mitch:

Mosaic covenant is a conditional covenant

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conditional on Israel's obedience. This one,

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I mean, God already knew too much about David

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to base anything on his ultimate obedience

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so that this is God's promise

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and God will make sure it happens.

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So I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

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I'll be a father to him. He'll be a son to me.

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When he commits iniquity

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I'll correct him with the rod of men

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and the strokes of the sons of men.

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So in other words, He already knows that

Mitch:

He's picking human kings.

Mitch:

And Solomon is going to have far

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too many wives to be able to not get in trouble. OK.

Mitch:

But look at the unconditional,

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everlasting nature, nature of this covenant.

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But my loving kindness shall not depart from him.

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So, in other words, he doesn't deserve it.

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He doesn't earn it.

Mitch:

He deserves to actually

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to lose it. But he's not going to because of my

Mitch:

loving kindness,

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my loving kindness. And that's an interesting word, friends.

Mitch:

The Hebrew word "Khesed", loving kindness is a covenantal word.

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And it is an expression of God's commitment and love.

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It goes far beyond a feeling,

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far beyond a kind gesture on God's part.

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It actually speaks of an eternal, everlasting connection

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between God and those He chooses to love.

Mitch:

He chose to love Israel.

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Deuteronomy 7, Deuteronomy 14.

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"I've not chosen you

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because you were the

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the largest, but the fewest in number." In other words,

Mitch:

you didn't deserve to be chosen.

Mitch:

And so God love has said

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it's always based in God's choice.

Mitch:

So what can we do to sort of undeserved God's love?

Mitch:

Well, the answer that is nothing. Yeah.

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Yeah, nothing, because we didn't deserve it in the first place.

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So My loving kindness, My khesed shall not depart from him

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as I took it away from Saul

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because it was a different arrangement.

Mitch:

No, it was not a covenant.

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"Whom I removed from before your house." Now,

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that's the Hebrew word "bayit".

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And some people say, well, that refers to the temple

Mitch:

Probably not. Sometimes, very ac very often, even in Jewish

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literature, the Hebrew word "bayit" is sort of a metonymy

Mitch:

it's one word to represent an

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another concept.

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So by it usually was interchangeable with Temple

Mitch:

But He's referring actually

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in this instance to the Davidic dynasty.

Mitch:

So your house, your dynasty and your kingdom

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shall endure before me forever.

Mitch:

Your throne shall be established forever. Why?

Mitch:

Because this promise is based upon God's grace, God's

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mercy, God's cursed.

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And He will see to it that the throne of David will b

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in Davidic hands forever.

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Now, there's a great passage of scripture.

Mitch:

This is Isaiah 9:6 and 7, and it just fits

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so perfectly in this, "For a child will be born to us.

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A son will be given to us."

Mitch:

Everybody know this Christmas passage, right?

Mitch:

"And the government will rest on His shoulders." OK.

Mitch:

"His name will be called

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Wonderful Counselor." Pele’ yo‘ets. Mighty God,

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El Gibhor, which means mighty eternal warrior.

Mitch:

I mean, it's it's God is a warrior.

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So God is a counselor. God is a warrior.

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Eternal father, Avi'ad. Father of eternity.

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So that speaks of His

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eternality. Sar Shalom, prince of peace.

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That speaks of His function as a ruler.

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There will be no end to the increase

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of His government or of peace.

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Now, listen to this.

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And on the throne of David, Davidic covenant.

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Isaiah followed David by hundreds of years

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and knew the covenant

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on the throne of David and over his kingdom

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to establish it and uphold it with justice and righteousness.

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From then on. And how long? Forevermore.

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So whoever takes the throne of David

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gets the job forever.

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And there's only one person

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who actually fits the bill of these names.

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And also rules Israel

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into forever. And that's Yeshua.

Mitch:

So you can see how the ultimate son of David

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not only fulfills the covenant, but actually fulfills

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this prophetic passage in the book of Isaiah. Nicole:

Mitch:

So you were talking about

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how Yeshua will rule forever.

Mitch:

And we know from verse 16 in this prophecy from 2 Samuel

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7, that it seems to be cast as eternal, this covenant.

Mitch:

How does this impact the future of the Jewish people

Mitch:

the Messiah and the descendants of King David?

Mitch:

Yeah, that's really a good question.

Mitch:

I think it's a very, very important point.

Mitch:

When God called Abraham out of Ur of the Chaldees

Mitch:

and established a nation,

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He gave no time parameters for how long that nation would last

Mitch:

And so we have to understand that God's relationship with

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the Jewish people was founded on the covenant with Abraham.

Mitch:

Some teeth was put to it

Mitch:

for moral behavior and in the Mosaic Covenant.

Mitch:

But the structure of the eternal kingship

Mitch:

of the nation, who would who would rule it forever?

Mitch:

Well, it's really funny.

Mitch:

Remember why the Jewish people got into trouble with Saul?

Mitch:

Yes, because God wanted to be the king.

Mitch:

See, that was the problem.

Mitch:

So you've got to tie together the eternality of the people,

Mitch:

the eternality of the ruler and the incarnation.

Mitch:

You see, it's because God became flesh

Mitch:

that He could be the ruler of the Jewish people forever,

Mitch:

because the scripture

Mitch:

has been very clear that God wants to rule His people.

Mitch:

And so Jesus is the eternal divine ruler of the Jewish

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people, based upon the Abrahamic and the Davidic covenant.

Mitch:

And we won't get into the New Covenant.

Mitch:

That might be another podcast. B I hope that answers your questi

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And so God's hand is upon the Jewish people

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and nobody can take His hand off the Jewish people.

NicoleAmen. Abe::

And

NicoleAmen. Abe::

speaking of the Jewish people, how do they view this promise

NicoleAmen. Abe::

and creation of a covenant that we've been talking?

Mitch:

Well, let me tell you a funny story.

Mitch:

So, friends, you've got to come to Israel

Mitch:

with Chosen People Ministries.

Mitch:

Nobody will give you a tour of Israel when we can get in,

Mitch:

which, you know.

Mitch:

Yeah. You know, might

Mitch:

be the late spring or summer might be the fall,

Mitch:

but I think it's coming.

Mitch:

Israel is beginning to open a little bit now.

Mitch:

The crack crack in the door.

Mitch:

In the old city of Jerusalem, there is one, there are two

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really strange museums to visit.

Mitch:

One is the Temple Mount Museum,

Mitch:

and that's where a group of

Mitch:

Hasidic ultra-Orthodox Jews, mostly from Brooklyn,

Mitch:

are developing the vestments of the priest.

Mitch:

The items that would go into the altar, the

Mitch:

the brazen altar, they're they're putting togethe

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the instruments that were played in the temple.

Mitch:

So they're putting together everything that's needed

Mitch:

so that when the temple is rebuilt, they can fill it with

Mitch:

with the furniture. I mean, how could you have an unfurnished

Mitch:

house for God? Right?

Mitch:

And so that's what their plan is. It's a very odd experience

Mitch:

to be there, as much as I do believe a literal temple

Mitch:

will be rebuilt.

Mitch:

It's still pretty odd to see

Mitch:

a bunch of Orthodox Jews from Brooklyn making the furniture.

Mitch:

But there's one that's

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even stranger, and that's the King David Museum.

Mitch:

There is literally a King David.

Mitch:

He's here in Israel.

Mitch:

I promise you, I think that these guys are all Gentiles,

Mitch:

who don't know anything about

Mitch:

Judaism and they wear these long prophetic robes

Mitch:

and they all have long beards.

Mitch:

And it's just so strange. And

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but it's interesting, you know,

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and what they have around the wall, up on top of the wall

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is they have all of David's descendants up

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until this very, very day.

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Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

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And, you know, and you

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and you can follow it along and see if you know

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the guy at the end of it, which I did not, OK?

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But it wasn't Rabbi Schneerson of the Lubavitch

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Hasidim and it wasn't any rabbi that I know.

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But there is this deep-rooted

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belief, that the Messiah will be a son of David.

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I mean, what I told you was a weird expression of it,

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but it demonstrates the Jewish attitude towards

Abe/Nicole:

the son of David prophecies in the Old Testament.

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Without a doubt, the Jewish people understand 2 Samuel 7,

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and the corollary passage, by the way, is in 1 Chronicles 19.

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Jewish people know that the Messiah will be number one,

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a son of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

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And number two, son of David.

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So, you know, when you're

Abe/Nicole:

presenting Messianic prophecy to a Jewish person,

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you can start off with a lot of agreement.

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We both think He'll be Jewish.

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We all think He'll be from the tribe of Judah, Genesis 49:10.

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And we all believe that

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He will be a descendant, direct descendant of King David.

Abe:

Mitch, Psalm 89, who wrote this Psalm?

Abe:

And do you think that's significant?

Mitch:

Well, in the Psalms, you have what's known

Mitch:

as a superscription. That's what they call it.

Mitch:

And the superscription oftentimes tells us two things.

Mitch:

One, who wrote it? And number two, what kind of somberness?

Mitch:

So the maskil of Ethan the Ezrahite.

Mitch:

So a maskil's teaching song.

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And Ethan or Eitan,

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the Ezrahite is not a well-known person in scripture.

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I mean, there are some passages

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in there in the Bible about him.

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And so we know a little

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bit about him, but we don't know a lot about him.

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But it's not unusual because actually Psalm 88

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was written by (unknown),

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Heman, not Herman, the Ezrahite.

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So there seem to be people of that group.

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Now, Psalm 87 was written by the Sons of Korah.

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Now we know a lot more about the Sons of Korah.

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So it is possible

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that these guys are somewhat linked to the Sons of Korah.

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We don't know for sure.

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The Sons of Korah led the Levitical band

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at the temple. And actually,

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there is some evidence that Korah was a drummer.

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And so it is possible that

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these guys, because it's listed in Psalm 88

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as some of the sons of Korah for the choir director,

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according to eventually, Heman the Ezrahite in Psalm 88.

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And again, maskil is not just a song.

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It's a it is a teaching song, so to speak. Right.

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Well, Eitan seems to be in that same group.

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So not all the Psalms obviously,

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were written by King David, guess who wrote some 90? Moses.

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So Moses, and we have good reason, a good

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tradition to understand that Moses wrote Psalm 90.

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So though we don't know a lot about our friend Eitan,

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what we can presume probably

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is, you know, he was he was part of the boys

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in the band, you know, and maybe he was a songwriter.

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Maybe he was a singer. Hmm.

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So all of these folks, I'll leave Moses out for a moment.

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But all of these folks were part of the worship team. Hmm.

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So if you are part of a worship team,

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in some ways you can be a Psalmist too so and

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so that that's about as much as we know. Right.

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So these guys were songwriters and and they led worship.

Abe:

So this this person Eitan, that's significant

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because the context of this Psalm was like, as you said,

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as a teaching Psalm.

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So that then means that it's not necessarily

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just metaphorical. Oh, it's not metaphorical, actually.

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Psalm 89 is the poetic expression of 2 Samuel 7.

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So they're in the.

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I don't think they're in the temple yet.

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I think they're in

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later on this would have been sung in the temple.

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But but they're in the Tabernacle, OK?

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During the days of David, because David didn't see the

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David wrote all the Psalms before the temple was built. An

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so they're in the tabernacle.

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And without a doubt,

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they all knew of the 2 Samuel, they all knew of the covenant.

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David knew of the covenant.

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I mean, he was the heartbeat of the covenant.

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And so this is a beautiful

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could have been very melodic expression.

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It's a teaching Psalm of the Davidic covenant.

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So part of what's happening here is that the Levitical priests,

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who were the ones to carry the message of the Torah,

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of the five books of Moses

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and teach it to the Jewish

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people, most people don't understand that,

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but the Levites had a teaching ministry,

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not just a sacrificial and a mediatorship

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or worship ministry.

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And so they were teaching through these Psalms.

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So David was not the right author of the Psalms,

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but I'm sure David was the inspiration for these Psalms.

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And so his worship

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team wrote the song, but they knew the covenant well

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So if you look in this Psalm, you'll see the details of the

Davidic covenant. Abe:

Right.

Davidic covenant. Abe:

And it kind of reminds me of of the art that we see.

Davidic covenant. Abe:

You know, art represented scriptures, you know, and,

Davidic covenant. Abe:

you know, you go to Europe and and all of this.

Davidic covenant. Abe:

And how else would they have communicated the scriptures

Davidic covenant. Abe:

or these covenants and things like that

Davidic covenant. Abe:

to people who couldn't read, you know, like through song.

Davidic covenant. Abe:

And so that totally makes sense.

Mitch:

And it's possible that they they memorized

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some of this music. Nicole: Right. Yeah.

Mitch:

And it seems that Psalm 89 reaffirms the covenant

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that God made with David.

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We read in verses

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two through four of the Psalm and then again in verses

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20 through 29, and then again in verses 36 through 37. Right.

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So this is Psalm 89:2–4, "For I have said

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loving kindness will be built up forever in the heavens.

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You will establish

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your faithfulness.

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I have made a covenant

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with my chosen. I have sworn to David, my servant.

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I will establish your seat forever

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and build up your throne to all generations."

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And then in verses 23 to 29,

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"I have found David, my servant, with my holy oil.

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I have anointed him with whom my hand will be established.

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My arm also will strengthen him.

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The enemy will not deceive

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him, nor the son of wickedness afflict him.

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But I shall crush

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his adversaries before him and strike those who hate him.

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My faithfulness in my loving kindness will be

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with him and in my name.

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His horn will be exalted.

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I shall also set his hand on the sea and his right

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hand on the rivers. He will cry to me.

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You are my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

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I also shall make him my firstborn, the highest

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of the kings of the earth.

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My loving kindness, I will keep for him forever,

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and my covenant shall be confirmed to him.

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So I will establish his descendants forever

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and his throne as the days of heaven."

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And then verses 36 through 37 says this,

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"His descendants shall endure forever in his throne

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as the son before me.

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It shall be established forever like the moon

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and the witness in the sky is faithful." Fantastic.

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That's that's the hope

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that the Hebrew scriptures gives to all of us who love God

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Because for believers in Jesus, what this looks forward

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to is the second coming. Yes.

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And so when you take that, literally, you understand that

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the son of David, the Messiah, Jesus, will return

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and will literally fulfill

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the promises of the Hebrew scriptures and literally reign

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on His throne in Jerusalem for a long period of time.

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Revelation, we view it as a thousand years, and

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He will establish His kingdom.

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This Davidic kingdom and this kingdom

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will be a kingdom that will be beautiful.

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The curse will be lifted from the earth.

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And all sorts of wonderful things will happen.

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It will be a righteous kingdom. It will be a just kingdom.

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I love verse 24, my faithfulness and "emunah"

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which means it's from the word to be true.

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So my truth and my khesed, my loving kindness will be with hi

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and in my name, his horn,

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which is the image of the anointing oil, will be exalted.

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So I mean, the portrait here that we have,

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what will probably be

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at least a couple thousand years before Jesus

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reigns on His rightful throne if He comes next week.

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You see and David, we always date David about a thousand B.C

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That's the easiest way to

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that's the easiest way to date David's kingdom.

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OK, and what year are we in now?

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So this three thousand

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years we've been waiting for this so far. Oh, yes. But what?

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So whenever it comes, we'll know it's here.

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But it's going to be a kingdom that will be characterized

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by the qualities of government and life

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that will make all of us,

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we'll be filled with joy, because don't you want a ruler

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who is tethered to the truth, who will always act in

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loving kindness and faithfulness and loving kindness?

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Boy, I'll tell you, this is tremendous hope that we have.

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And if you don't take the second coming, literally,

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if you don't take the establishment

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of His kingdom, literally,

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I wish you would, because you will have something

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rock solid to look forward to and try not to spiritualize

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all this, you know, just take it for face value.

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A kingdom is coming.

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That will be established in truth and righteousness

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and in khesed, in loving kindness.

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That's something to hang on to, particularly

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during difficult times. Abe: Yeah. Yeah.

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So I think we've covered a lot.

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But I would love to know, how much

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does the New Testament reference either of these prophecies?

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I think I'm going to just give you one passage here,

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if that's OK, because it does a number of times you can look

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in the early sermons of the Book of Acts.

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Yeah, you could look I mean,

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because it flows

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into other passages like the Book of Amos 9, which

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is quoted in one of Peter's early sermons and so on.

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But I'd like to just look at one quick little passage.

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It was the one that absolutely blew me away

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when I was first seeking the Lord.

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I picked up a New Testament,

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which I found in a phone booth

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in the middle of the redwood forest.

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And you know my story.

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But you can find it on

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I Found Shalom and you can you can listen to me or watch it.

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But when I opened up the New Testament right at the start,

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because I was raised in a more traditional Jewish home,

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we read in verse one of the gospel of Matthew,

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the record of the genealogy of Jesus, the Messiah,

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the son of David,

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and the son of Abraham.

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The son of David goes first.

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The son of David and the son of Abraham.

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And then in verse 17,

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the generations from Abraham to David are 14.

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From David to the deportation.

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David, this covenant God made with David

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is right at the heartbeat

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of even the first coming of Messiah.

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So we know that He is the anointed Son of David

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and the king Messiah.

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For me as a Jewish person,

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hearing that from the very start, because I was taugh

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you know, if Jesus did exist, He certainly wasn't Jewish.

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He started a new religion.

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He was, You know, His followers are anti-semitic.

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I had all, you know, all these terrible concepts.

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You know, I open up the New Testament.

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Sure, it would be an anti-semitic diatribe, right?

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And the first thing I read is Jesus the Messiah,

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the son of David. I said, wow,

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wow. That's mind-boggling.

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And that's something

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that you can share with your Jewish friends, because

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Jewish people know

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that the Messiah is supposed to be from the from

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the son of David, He is going to be a son of David. And

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that's a great place to start.

Amen. Abe:

So Mitch

Amen. Abe:

going back to something you mentioned earlier,

Amen. Abe:

Jesus has fulfilled many Messianic prophecies,

Amen. Abe:

but He also will fulfill many others when He returns.

Amen. Abe:

So can we conclude for Psalm 89 and for the passage in 2 Samuel

Amen. Abe:

7 that these prophecies have not been fulfilled yet?

Mitch:

They've been fulfilled in part

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because you have a first and a second coming.

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So certainly Jesus did fulfill, I'm sorry, that.

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Well, Jesus, too. But but certainly, David,

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David's dynasty continued.

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Yes. And eventually David's

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dynasty had a halt, a seeming halt to it,

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but it was picked up again in the coming of the true king.

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So Jesus didn't ascend

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the physical throne, but he was certainly

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the anointed son of David.

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And when he ascended, he certainly ascended and sat

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at the right hand of the father.

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So in a sense, He was a king in a spiritual sort of way.

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But, you know, when I say things like that, that doesn't mean

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that the rest of

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the of the story is not going to unfold, literally.

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And that's what that's the problem. Sometimes people say,

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oh, so He's already the king.

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So that prophecy is fulfilled,

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so we don't have anything more to look forward to.

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Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

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Think of it as prophecies being fulfilled incrementally,

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you know, over a period of time.

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And that's exactly what happens in the New Testament.

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It's not that Jesus doesn't fulfill 2

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Samuel 7 or Psalm 89 at all. He does.

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But there's a lot more to look forward to.

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So first He came to die for our sins get us right with God.

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Next time He comes to reign is king.

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The prophecies and covenants reflect these two comings.

Abe:

Mitch, I would love to hear you describe what Yeshua's

Abe:

kingship will look like.

Abe:

And I just think about life right now.

Abe:

A lot of divisions across many different spectrums.

Abe:

Can't seem a lot of people can't seem to agree with each other.

Abe:

What is it going to look like when Jesus is on the throne?

Mitch:

Well, again, it's going to be

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sort of in two stages, even in the future,

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because you have the

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thousand year reign of Jesus, the millennial kingdom,

Mitch:

where all these prophecies are literally fulfilled.

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And then you have the coming of the new Jerusalem where He's

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also sitting on the throne.

Mitch:

Yeah. And and so, boy, there's

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so many good things to look forward to, you know. And

Mitch:

how do I feel about it in this time period?

Mitch:

Well, let me just read

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one passage. One of my favorite

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and this is with the latter half of this second coming,

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when the new Jerusalem comes dow

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because He'll be the light and, you know, just

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magnificent prophecies.

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But here's the part I quote all the time

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during this tough Covid season and during hard times.

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And it's something to remember in Revelation 21:4,

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one of my favorite passages,

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He will wipe away every tear from their eyes.

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Now, listen, there'll be no more death,

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no more mourning, no more crying, no more pain fo

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the old things have passed away.

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That's the hope that keeps us going. That's the hope

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that Jesus gives us. That's the hope that was promised

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by the Davidic covenant.

Abe:

Mitch, there are

Abe:

a lot of, uh, scriptures that people love.

Abe:

There are a lot of things in the Bible that people love.

Abe:

People don't necessarily go to Messianic prophecy

Abe:

first to be blessed, quote unquote. Right?

Abe:

You think of that and you think of you have to

Abe:

study and all this but- Mitch: Just people like me. Abe:

Abe:

I'm just curious.

Abe:

How has learning about Messianic

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prophecy shaped you personally?

Abe:

And how can it bless us?

Mitch:

I think right

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out of the box, Abe, it gives us a sense of certainty,

Mitch:

particularly first coming prophecies. It's powerful.

Mitch:

You know, when you can see

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that these prophecies, at least according to the New Testament,

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that that they came to pass,

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then that's again, that's a powerful rationale that's

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a little bit more objective

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for the development of faith.

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And and so I think that that's a great use for me as a

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as a Jewish believer. Of course it was.

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It's not just that it gives me a solid basis for my faith,

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gives me a solid basis for my Jewishness also

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and the Jewishness of my faith.

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I could not believe that Jesus is the Messiah unless

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I believe that what He did was consistent with

Mitch:

what was predicted in the Hebrew scriptures.

Mitch:

And Messianic prophecy, everything from Micah 5:2,

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"But thou Bethlehem, too little to be

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among the clans of Judah, for me one will go forth from

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to be ruler in Israel, and he's going forth

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from long ago from everlasting", to Isaiah 53, "By his stripes.

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We are healed." There's there's just and

Mitch:

and of course, what we were just talking about, the covenant.

Mitch:

When I see those things

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come to pass in the person of Jesus and in the New Testament,

Mitch:

how in the world am I supposed to think of Him

Mitch:

as a Norwegian or an Italian or or something other than Jewish?

Mitch:

You know, nothing against Norwegians or Italians.

Mitch:

But I mean, He's one of ours.

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And for me to be comfortable with my faith and to be able to

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tell my Jewish family and friends that they could

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be comfortable with Him also,

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He needs to be demonstrably Jewish, and there's

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nothing more powerful in demonstrating

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the Jewishness of Jesus than these Messianic prophecies

Mitch:

Like the writer of Psalm 89,

Mitch:

we praise God that

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the Messiah saves us

Mitch:

and will usher in a kingdom of peace and justice,

Mitch:

as verse 4 says, "I will establish your seed foreve

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and build up your throne to all generations."

Mitch:

This gives us hope

Mitch:

for when Jesus returns and establishes His throne on Earth

Mitch:

bringing an end to all wars and bringing safety to all nations.

Mitch:

Thank you for listening

Mitch:

to this week’s episode of Our Hope, featuring

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Chosen People Ministries’ president, Dr. Mitch Glaser.

Mitch:

This episode was produced by Nicole Vacca and Grace

Mitch:

Swee, written by Rachel Larsen, and edited by Grace Swee.

Mitch:

This episode was also created thanks to

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Kieran Bautista and Dr. Michael Rydelnik.

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I'm Abe Vazquez.

Mitch:

Until next time.

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