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You don't have to be locked up in prison to feel stuck and restricted.

Your mind can make you feel as living in a prison very easily.

John Esteen and I have a conversation today about how you can free yourself from limiting beliefs.

Serving 20+ years on a 150 year sentence John knows what he is talking about when it comes to training your mind.

The state of mind you have will dictate the life you are living.

John made it far on a spiritual and heart opening journey.

It is because of him that 50+ inmates got out of prison way earlier than expected.

It is because of his dedication and focus and willingness that he got himself out of a hopeless situation..

Today he is inspiring thousands of people to reflect about their behavior and mindset and making them aware that you need a goal, a mission in life that is bigger than you in order to live a fulfilled life.

I know that John Esteen will be one of the biggest influencers to reduce recidivism in America and to bring people back to living from the heart.

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Hello, hello and welcome to the Borealis

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experience. I'm your host Aurora, and I'm very excited to

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be posting my interview here with John Astin, a couple of

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you. Beautiful listeners might know him already. I had him on

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my show where he talked about his 150 years sentence. And

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yeah, his experiences, and his awakening and what made him

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start to fight for his freedom. And then I had another interview

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with him, and Reginald, Joseph, which was very motivational and

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inspirational. And today, we want to talk a bit more about

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the prison system. And how John is doing now that he's out and

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about in this crazy world. I don't want to imagine how much

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stress you encountered at times. I was not locked up. I was not

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away for 20 years. And I have still difficulties to catch up

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with. Yeah, the fast paced life that it is, and I feel I don't

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know if you agree, John. Evolution like on an

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evolutionary. Like, if you want to look at evolution, people

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don't really have evolved. They're not kinder, they're not

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more compassionate. They're not more patient. We invented a

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bunch of electronics, since you were gone. But people are just

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as greedy and aggressive and selfish as they were before.

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Would you agree with that? Or did you can you see an evolution

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on a hard level?

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I agree on both points. Good.

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I say that because people change. But the world is like,

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the world is moving fast. And the people change, but the

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mindset doesn't. Yes, and I'm saying that because when I came

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home, when I came home from Angola after doing 20 plus

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years, I find my old friends and friends of friends have the same

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observations as I did. People are stuck in the same rut that

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it was 20 years prior. And I found that very amazing. And I

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wonder why. You see, because during in prison, I educated

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myself on what the Bible college what the horticulture school, I

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was a mentor, faith based instructor. I did a lot of

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things in 20 years that I was going so I use my time wisely.

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Okay. And I'm home now two years. And lots of people tell

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me that I have accomplished what I have accomplished in two

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years. People haven't did it? Did that there's been free for

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2030 years. Hmm, yeah. And that is to me, that's to me, that's

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very alarming. Yes.

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Yeah. And I feel we can learn from your mindset. And it's so

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tough to put into words, but I feel some people have to go

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through pain and stress in order to wake up and see how valuable

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life is and how fast time is running. Now that you've been

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out for two years, do you feel you're appreciating life on a

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deeper level?

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Yes, and it was doing time was a valuable lesson to me. Now that

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I'm home, I can use what I learned. While incarcerated.

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Actually, I learned patient that's the biggest thing. I

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never jumped into I never jumped into situations. When I came

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home. I wanted a house I wanted a car. I wanted all these

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things. I started working immediately to acquire these

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things. But at the same time, I didn't. I did not jump on the

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first opportunities. That came my way that I never felt right

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about it, because I did not want to put myself in a situation or

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financial situation this week, but I was in a position before

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prior to being incarcerated. And I had to maintain that. So I had

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to have a job. I had had continued No, I had a lot of

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worries that I that, that I don't have to date, because I

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never put myself in a position to be forced to work, or

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whatnot. You see not to take my time, and think out what

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actually I am going to do for myself, to provide for myself.

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And is to it's a slow process. But it's a birthing process.

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Yeah, very good. And so now that you've been out and you see that

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people have not really like changed. Do you feel that they

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are more and more listening to you and that they can see, okay,

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John went through some stuff. And he has to share things with

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us that he's learned before, just before you said, people

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have to know more about prison, and how prison life is and what

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you learn there and the hardship you have to go through.

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Yes, in prison, I learned that the more that you learn, the

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better position you will be in. So and when I first got to

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prison, I was playing sports, I was doing actually I was doing

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everything was everything other than what I was supposed to been

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doing. Like studying a law, the law got me in prison, and it was

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the law that's gonna get me out of prison. When I realized that

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I had to learn the law as it pertains to my case, my

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situation. And it took me like, it took me like four years to

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really dawned on me figure it out that, look, I have 150 years

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of my head, if I don't do anything, this has been my

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permanent place. And like I discussed what you are now prior

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interviews, is that what woke me up is seeing a guy being buried

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in Angola, and feeling his feeling his pain in so to speak,

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like I'm spiritually speaking here. Yeah, feeling his pain and

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not notice guy did not notice. But I felt him because of the

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commonality we have been incarcerated. And no one is

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putting myself in his shoes. Is it was a very emotional for me.

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It brought tears to my eyes. And from that point forward, that's

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when I made the decision. Look, I'm gonna fight for my freedom.

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Of all cause I'm gonna, I'm gonna sacrifice. I'm gonna do

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this net coming before me learn in my situation, as the law

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pertains to me. Yes, so. And long story short, I'm home now.

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Because of that.

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Yeah. How was it for you, John? When you're encountering

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situations now, maybe you have in the last two years, where you

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have a choice, you have a choice to react as the old John, and

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you have a choice to react as the new John, do you like to

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remember a couple of situations that you would like to share?

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That

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is a that's a beautiful question, because I didn't even

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know that. I mean, when you change your life, you're always

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gonna have the opportunity to flash back to the old view. And

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you have a decision to make at that point. Yeah. And that thank

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God first and foremost that he kept me to all these situations.

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Is time that I'll just want to blow up in this go off on an

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inmate or even a free forget. I like With my mind, by me

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learning in, in balmy water, my freedom, it kept me at, it kept

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me at bay. It kept me focused on my goal. You see, in that, in

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that was very paramount to my freedom. Today I reacted to

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situations that would normally bring me out there and made me

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lose everything. So now as I look back today, I am very

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thankful. And in a chocolate up, I'll give the credit to God

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first and foremost, because it's because when I went to Bible

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college, while there, the reason being is because I want to get

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to know who God is for myself. That was my tell me, I wanted to

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pray, I want to experience these things. Because the Scriptures

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say Try me, tastes me, I'm sweeter than honey, you're never

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you're never turned back. That was a promise. And I want to,

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and I want to hold Jesus, which is the word to that promise. And

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I'm not going to talk I'm not going in. As a result of that.

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My decision is never turn my back on God for the rest of my

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life. Because that is the word of God that opened my mind to

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things. Because that was other than that I was tunnel vision.

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Yeah, I've seen things where I want to see it. And nobody can

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tell me no different. Yeah, now. I'm patient. I listen. And I

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learn. Like My Daddy told me, you say, if you always talking?

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How are you going to learn anything? Yeah, how are you

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going to hear?

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Yeah, that's so beautiful. So you have those situations where

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you have a choice, but you have found God, you have found your

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faith that keeps you on track. So it is not only to be a good

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person, because you have to because you are on parole, like

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you're not doing it for the government to be good. You do

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not for yourself and for God. And that's your motivation.

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Because otherwise I think it wouldn't like if it was for the

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government and to be a good and perfect person all the time. It

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wouldn't be sustainable you wouldn't you? It'd be hard to be

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happy because you found that peace inside of you. And you

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want to keep that peace. It's motivation from the inside.

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Today understand that, right?

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Exactly. Exactly. Because if I don't do it, if I'm not doing

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something, for me, it's not in my heart to do eventually, out

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there would end to see good behavior will be overweight,

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that I can flesh out at any time and be like a walk in Tambaram.

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Exactly. Yes. Well, it says now. So. So since I'm doing it from

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our heart, I have more sustainability. You just

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mentioned.

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That's so beautiful. Now, you have your nonprofit organization

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called Second Wind, where you help people who come out of

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prison to reintegrate into society. How do you approach

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them? Which tools do you give them in order to be out there

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and freedom and not being scared to having to go back to prison

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because of Yeah, committing another chord, the

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main thing, right, law of C, that's the whole thing of my

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nonprofit organization is to lower the recidivism rate. And

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that is helping them to return back to prison. And they have to

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know that you can do anything you put your mind to do. You

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have to focus. Find out what that thing is that drives you

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that make you good, that give you hope. And hold on to dad in

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achieve that to the bitter end. And you shall I'm a prime

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example of that. Look at me. Look at me because I experienced

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that first experience was coming home. Not I couldn't find one

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person that understood my case and agree with me that I was

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going to win in Louisiana Supreme Court. You Hmm, I got

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denied the first time and Louisiana Supreme Court. But in

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that dissent I received from the judge on the Chief Justice gave

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me the ammunition, the understanding, to go forward,

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and know that I'm gonna when the next time around, it was the

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language in there. And I use that language for my benefit.

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And I had a lot of confident, confidence. And within myself

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with this, I believe, God opened my mind because my prayer was

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the God given wisdom, knowledge and understanding of my

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situation, then we overcome. And I think at this at this moment,

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he gave me that wisdom, knowledge and understanding, I

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pray for all those years. And I thank God for it. Because if

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nobody else could see it, that's why I'm, that's why I'm

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mentioning this. Nobody so convinced one inmate counsel to

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help me structure this thing. If that's what he's told me, he

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said, Man, you came at me so many times and try to explain,

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you see, you have so much compassion I had to help you. We

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see. That's how strongly I believe I was gonna move this

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case. And as a result of that, 50 plus people, inmates were

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released, because in my case, the karma case, the Epstein

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case, and he set precedents of law

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are you still in contact with those people?

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Not all count all of them. I don't know all these people that

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I just know few of them. There was one there was in the same

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facility I was in. I will love to know all these people. And is

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still people getting out to date on Estienne case is like God

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took my name and using it for freedom. When it was before was

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for bandage. Yeah. God trick a name that my name that was the

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wrong drug due to dirt. And now then praise in a sense. Yeah.

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For good. Yeah. Only God can do that. Yeah,

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yeah. And you're living up to your purpose, and you're helping

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others know. And yeah, it's just incredible. Very beautiful. What

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else people need to know about the prison system or about

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people who come out of jail I feel there's still a lot of fear

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and harsh judgment when it comes to ex cons and how do you feel?

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Can we? Can we make people believe that there is second

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chances people change? People can do good if they've done bad

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in the past? That's not them. They can they can be a different

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person in the, in the future? How can we Yeah.

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I'm gonna tell you what changed me. It was a loving support of

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my family in France. To sum it up, love of ages, everything. So

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when you so when you help in people, it's natural for them to

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be the show, or be appreciative of what you've done for them.

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And I think that's the beginning of changing one's heart. So a

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man hot has to change, we can't change it. He has to make the

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initial steps to change his own heart. And God does the

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miraculous thing. And as he does it, he completes it. Like they

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have the scripture say like one guy comes along and sews the

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seed and none of them comes and water it and God gives the

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increase. Right? So we have to be careful of how we deal with

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people because we don't want to do things that would take it out

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guys hands. So we ought to be the example. So God put us here

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not to be alone, to be come together to help one another.

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You see, and of course the people that you help in must

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also do their part. Okay, let's make it all work because faith

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without works is dead. You can believe all you want on some you

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can have ideas If we don't act upon it, it just remains an

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idea. Yeah, that's what they need to understand. Once they

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understand that principle, and they believe in a self, they're

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not gone back to prison, because they have muscle bigger. They

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they look in towards in prison, you gotta find something bigger

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than prison, bigger than the act that you bought to commit, you

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gotta find something bigger than that, you can't find that bigger

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than that, then nine out of 10 times, you're gonna repeat,

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you'd be a repeat offender.

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So this is what your organization is doing for people

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who maybe don't have a loving family, they are being received

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by you guys. And they are being helped to find a mission, where

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they can put their mind and their heart into it. In order to

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not go back to prison, back to the old life.

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Financially speaking, what our ultimate purpose is we are not

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doing so what I did do what I launched was for senior

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citizens, disabled vets, single parent homes, and people of the

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like, we we launched a fee, lawn services care lawn care service.

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So we go around, that will take a burden off these people. You

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see, we try to help. We're trying to show that we are for

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real, we want to help people, we need the donations. So we can

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get buildings get to get the transportation get the buses for

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transportation, bringing guys to and to and from their

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appointments. Jobs if that's the case, I'm getting hired a

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psychiatrist to deal with these guys mentally. You see, these

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things need to be done because Louisiana from last time I

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checked, we lead the nation in our mental health. And we don't

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have one we had less facilities. So I mean, I think that's the

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need there. Yeah. Come along and help you Yeah,

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yeah. And you don't have to be a psychologist to help you can

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just be a human being who offers Yes, right. You know, an ear,

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listen to and to have compassion and to maybe help out finding a

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mission? Because we all have

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zactly because we can't do it alone. No, hey, do it alone.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Very, very

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psychiatrists. We need other people surrounding people. They

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also contribute in some way, shape, form or fashion.

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Yeah. Totally. So what is your plan? Can you share with with

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our listeners here? What is your plan? With your podcast? I'm

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very excited about your podcast here. What is your Okay?

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All right. All right, that the title of my podcast, which means

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you will discuss that, but I'm leaving it alone leaving it,

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Eric, a lot of people want it, you know, but we'll see what the

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future holds for that. Yeah. Anyway, out of bondage and enter

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success podcast. I came up with the ideas like was guys sent, it

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was different wording at the time. But some I put it in the

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right perspective for me, helped me out. And I really liked it

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because of my lifestyle. I was in bondage. Not only physical

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bondage, but I was in a mental bondage. And I come out of that

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bondage doing positive things, and I'm reaping the benefits of

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it now. And if I can do it, anybody else can do it. Yeah,

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that's the whole purpose of my podcast is to, for the listeners

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to listen to my podcast, and hear something that they might

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be gone through at the time, could release them from that

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bondage wherever they ban this or

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Yeah, it can be like an addiction. It can be mentally it

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can be just them living a boring life and not having a mission.

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Right and you can be there and like, wake people up where and

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let people share their story. That is so beautiful.

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Yes, exactly. Exactly. And then is helping that person that

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person I'm interviewing is helping them to is therapeutic.

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He told me therapeutic. Yeah, yeah, you know, we need, people

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need to get things off the chest. Yeah, the counties

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burdens around that they don't need to be kept around. You know

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the Word of God. When I learned the word of God, he said, my

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burdens are light come to me. And I understand I get it. Now I

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get it. And that's what I do. And guess what, every time I do

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it, I feel a whole lot better. I can sleep at night. And God

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opened doors for me. I can't beat that. I'm staying with it.

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The greeting work from me, I'm sticking with it.

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You're so, so wonderful. Yeah, this is a beautiful mission. And

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this is where you put your full heart and drive into. Right? You

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also have children, you also have a wife, and you have that

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beautiful network around you. How can people reach you, people

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who might not have that supportive system? Can they

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reach you on Facebook, on Instagram? Through your

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organization?

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Yeah, I have a website. I have a website for my own nonprofit

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organization. Yeah. Which is E second one.com. Yeah, you can go

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on our site, in contact with do that.

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Yeah. Beautiful. That is very, very

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glad. I'm glad for people can attend. We have loved to talk to

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him. We'd like to say communication rules a nation. So

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we can together we can do it.

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Totally. And you don't have to have a degree as a psychologist

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to help other people. Sometimes it's, it's good that they know

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that you went through difficult situations and you overcame

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hardship. And now you can listen to others and have empathy and

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compassion. Right.

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Exactly. Exactly. Because I've been there done that and and

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that makes you an expert in your in that area. Your experience?

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Yeah, you see, you went through things, you figured things he

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was wrong on certain things. And you had to figure that out? Once

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you get to go to next thing and before you know you you got it?

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And that would would you figure it out? People don't have to go

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what you went through to figure it out? Because you have the

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answer. You have the solution for them now. Yeah, and now and

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that was make it a beautiful thing. Well, we need this need

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people this the lesson, if they listen. And understand would

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understand and you got to listen with understanding. You just

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listening is going to one ear out the other, you have to

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listen intently with understanding and try to

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understand what what position the speaker is coming from, and

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try to relate to it. If you're not doing these things, and why

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you're listening, you will miss the whole point. And it's not

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gonna be life changing for you. Yeah. For words, changes people

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lives is the power of the word. The like the Bible again, say

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you know is the tongue is the is the power of life and death.

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Within a term is the power life. Okay, so that is what you

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speaking into your life. What you hear when you take an ad

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from other people. So you got it as you know, I don't want to

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ramble on, I just want to say it is, yeah. Take when you when you

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don't wish, right. When we speak somebody speak to you if to you,

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you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna receive that

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because you use wait and see, because you live in, in trying

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to do what's right. So you're always gonna gravitate towards

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you trying to do good or bad. So I pray that it's good. Because

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your, your result is going to be good. It is that's just a

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principle

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that you have to experience on your own. You cannot, you can

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listen. But then you also have to act upon it. Like you said

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earlier. Right?

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Exactly, exactly. You got to put when you believe in something

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new, something that you want to do some idea you have or

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somebody told you something, they put some idea in your own

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mind. act upon it. Have faith in yourself, have faith in that

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idea that you have, and just do it. Because if you don't do it,

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you never know what you can accomplish in life. You'll never

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know you never come to the pump. They never put the effort

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towards it. You have to go and do it. No matter if you fail or

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not. Don't worry about that part of it. Because when you tell us

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you learn how to be victorious. You just the process. This is

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life.

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Yeah, yeah. No, that's a such a powerful message. And if your

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intentions are good, you don't need to fear. Right? You don't

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need to fear if it's being received. Yeah. Exactly. If your

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internet

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what happened when you're doing?

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Excuse me? No, no, you say,

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no matter what the results are when you'd have when you do

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something with a good intent. It doesn't matter. Because you can

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get back up on a bicycle that you fell off of. And keep on

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going. Yeah, eventually, you will get what you're seeking.

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Yes.

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Yeah. No, very, very good. John. Is there any last closing words

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that would you like to add here for people to really know about?

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Yeah, prison life and life after and life in general?

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Yes, um, prison. I see that is no different than those who are

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free in society. Who put yourself in your own prisons?

Unknown: 00:31:19

Yes. Okay. Yes. It's no different. Only thing different

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is that you free you can do something about it. Or you can

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go to get better health. In a physical bondage, you limited,

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your resources are limited. That's what I'm talking about.

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When you when you three Bangor that I am now here in society,

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now, Marie, SOS are bigger, I have a choice to do big seek

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help from various sources, versus me being in prison. So

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therefore, the people desert society right now. They're

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thinking about doing something wrong. Or going through sudden,

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seek out help. Don't be afraid to talk to somebody about your

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situation, find somebody that you can trust. There's one

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person that I know that you can trust, to talk to, to talk to

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that person, and how 10 times you will get some type of type

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of satisfaction out of that. And if that if you don't get what

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you deserve out of that was keep seeking. As the Bible Savior

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Jesus telling you, you look you're not in seek and you shall

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find in a door shall be opened unto you. So just keep going

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keep knocking at that door, seeking for what you what you're

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looking for. And eventually, you would get there. That's my word

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for you.

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Beautiful. There's also like, another thing I've heard is that

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God helps those who help themselves. Right? You have to

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be active, like you just said, you have to go and seek help go

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and ask questions. Because you will be helped. You have to

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learn.

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That's right. Yeah, that's right. You know, is like me, I

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receive help. For my situation, my court and while I was in

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prison, fighting my case, I receive help, because people saw

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me working so hard. Yeah. But by me not knowing the law like me

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counsels the death thing they do every day. In, they saw me they

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see me going and knocking on their door everyday trying to

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learn maximum questions, and I'm trying to find out certain

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different things. And some umbrella, you know, because I

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don't see this, they see it over and over again, people will

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initially start with deals, they will fade out. So they don't. So

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a lot of people don't want to help you because they feel like

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you'd like the rest. But just keep doing it. Keep on going

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forward. Because eventually they're going to find that one

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person is going to see you, you know, feel you is going to help

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you. You hidden in there you have it.

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Yeah. So beautiful. John, thank you so, so much for your time

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today and for Yeah, sharing your wisdom with us. It's deeply

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inspiring and so motivating and you don't have to be a person

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who was in jail to understand and to relate, because we're all

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sometimes in prison in our minds or in a situation we don't want

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to be in. So what you hear relates to everybody, and I'm

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very excited to post this episode. Thank you so much,

Unknown: 00:34:52

Joan. You're welcome.