Dave’s HYROX Strong Ottawa experiment

Volunteer reactions and confused judges in Ottawa

Cheryl’s HYROX Conditioning Test

Self-reporting reps and flaws in the scoring curve

Matt’s Atlanta HYROX simulation in brutal heat

Gloves for sled pull and farmer carry debate

HYROX Ottawa venue and judging review

Wall ball judge training problems

HYROX Major races and the new points system

The “Grand Slam” debate in HYROX

HYROX Worlds prize money increases

DEKA Atlanta announcement and Ultra doubles ideas

Matt’s horrifying Cologuard experience

Enhanced Games preview and broadcast plans

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Welcome back, everybody. It's Monday. It's the Not So Live Show.

All three of us participated in something this weekend, which we're going to get to shortly.

But I want to start with just some real talk, real world example.

It's the end of the school year.

And they started doing this thing where they did these never-ending awards days at school.

And every grade you fucking sit there and the smart kids get all the awards and the dumb kids don't get so many.

And or you're somewhere in the middle.

And I shouldn't say dumb kids.

Jackson never got any.

And he never cared.

And then one year I could tell like he was like really upset.

Well, thank God they finally got rid of that.

So now they just do some fucking presentation or other.

They call it PBL.

I don't know what it stands for.

But they did this thing called PBL nights.

So again, like Jackson doesn't care.

River usually doesn't care.

But Stacy will go.

So this year, Jackson was like, I'm like, Jackson, do you want me to go?

And if he said no, I would not go.

And he said, I don't care.

I'm like, I'll take that as a yes.

So I show up and it's a film class.

And all of the little groups did some, from what I can tell, because I got there a little late, some three to five minute video about the Great Gatsby.

And so they made these little scenes and some were really funny and some of it was boring.

But, you know, kids did what they did.

Some kids were in front of the camera.

Some kids were behind the camera.

So the first one starts and about two minutes in, you know, you're watching it over the big screen.

It's over the fucking teacher's computer.

And about a minute in, like the loudest phone ring ever.

He runs over and he stops it.

Now, about a minute and a half later, it goes off again.

It's like, okay, well, clearly the first time he just forgot to, he just ran over to stop it.

Surely this time.

Do you want to ask me what number he finally stopped it at?

Oh, no.

Because it wasn't number two.

Oh, no.

How about this?

How many times before I said something?

How about that?

That's a better question.

Oh, I think by three.

It doesn't stop happening.

And I started texting my wife about it.

And I'm like, I would say something a cause it's knowing B cause I know I can be funny,

but I don't want to horrify my kid either. Right. Cause he's already not happy that I'm there. Right.

His, his group hasn't gone yet. And I think it was the sixth time it was actually between videos

cause it was always right between it. And he would just stop it and the video would keep playing.

So he finally did it before like the fourth and fifth of the third and fourth group.

And he did it again.

And I just stood up and I said, hey, there's a thing called do not disturb on there.

If you just touch that, I promise it'll never bother us again.

And some people laughed.

I looked over my son to make sure he wasn't horrified.

And he wasn't.

He laughed.

And then it went off two or three more times.

And every time the parents would turn around and look at me because they wanted me to say something again.

But I wasn't.

I did my service.

So there's two teachers in this class.

She was she he's not the main one.

I talked to the main one later about something about Jackson.

But yeah, I was, it's quite shocking.

2026, quite shocking behavior.

Not a small buzz either.

That full on.

Dave doesn't seem really as amused as Cheryl.

Yeah, you know me.

Dave, what would you do in that situation?

I don't know.

I likely would have said something a lot sooner

How old is this person?

That's what I mean

That's I

I just

I don't you don't know

You don't know what's in a person's head

Are they in any meaningful relationships?

Is there anyone that can

Somebody said that

Somebody one of the parents said

Tell her you'll call her back

Somebody said that after like the fifth time

And then yeah number six

I think I finally said just hey

was like surf notifications and they were very important you mean surf like the app yeah oh

because at one point i thought maybe that's it maybe he set his notification like it's not just

a ring it's like every email every instagram notification whatever it was man not capable

of setting it to do not disturb while we're watching these uh average to humorous videos

that the kids put on. So anyway. I had a conversation with my husband this week about

how if it wasn't for the two of us, we would do so many things worse because at least we have

each other in our lives to call out each other on how dumb we're being or mistakes we're making.

Hey, you did that wrong. You did this thing. Apparently, I said something really, really

offensive and somebody overheard it. And I did not know that I had done that, but he's the one that's

going to tell me that. Right. So I'm just wondering who is the person in this man's life who would

point out that you're ruining everything, like just not controlling your phone. I don't know.

All of us need somebody like that. I, yeah, I can't. I, I, yeah, I can't. So anyway, that just

happened that's why it's fresh in my mind and i and i had to talk about it um so i think everybody

wants to know uh about dave's high rock strong i think that's probably the biggest the biggest

question in everybody's mind so he's talked about it he's threatened it for months and months

and uh here we are high rocks ottawa dave finally gets his big chance yeah did you see it doesn't

show on here but when i went in i put myself as the ottawa triple crown winner oh congratulations

yeah yeah because i won oh sorry my many sponsors have are hiding this hang on yes right many

yeah no so yes the Ottawa triple crown winner there we go because i won i won a default championship

because i know you like that that and then i won the high rock strong that was the victor there

and then i had the most penalty minutes so that's another win okay congratulations so that's all right

I need to know about these penalty minutes because I will say the best part of my Saturday, we were watching a movie, but I am like following Frederick Dubé to find out how he's doing in Ottawa. And as soon as he finished, I was able to turn over to you. And your first one was 27 seconds.

Yes.

Which was spectacular.

I thought I'm in for a ride.

This is going to be terrific.

And I was really expecting to then see penalties stacking up.

And instead they just dismissed you out of hand.

Just DQ'd me.

So in the rule book, it does say any misstation or any misrun will result in a DQ.

But the hope was that the computer wouldn't catch on to it right away.

That it wouldn't happen until after.

I actually know the official, official ruling, but I want to get that at the end.

I want to hear the story first.

Yeah.

So the thought was maybe the real hope was that I would get through it all.

And then on the screen at the end would be my time.

Plus like 150 to 160 minutes and penalties.

And that didn't happen when I crossed the line,

it just showed my time,

which did create something almost funnier because I had like five people come

up to me and congratulate me on setting the world record.

And I had to explain like, no, you don't understand.

They couldn't tell by your physique.

I mean, you are, you are fit Dave, but they couldn't tell by looking at you.

It's not just that it's, I was goofing around most of the time too.

And I was not in a hurry at any point.

But if somebody sees you at the end and sees that time and it looks at you,

there's a guy in a giant kilt.

Yeah. Far from unbroken on the wall balls. Like, I'm just like, yeah, it was.

So anyway, but most people that were doing it were coming up to try to,

I try to ask me, how did you do it? Like all that stuff. Right.

And I'm just like, no, well, I cheated immensely. That's how I did it.

And my shirt said, I'm cheating. You know,

I had the thing, probably the funniest part though, and thanks to Zach, Zach followed me around the

whole time and took videos and pictures. Um, a lot of people were paying attention, but the funniest

part was the volunteers who were unaware of what was going on. And so when I came into the skier,

like you say, on a 27 second run, I was the only one there. And the volunteers like, um,

what wave are you in? And I just responded with, dude, I'm good. Don't worry about it.

He's like, okay.

Did my ski, got out.

And then the next time a volunteer clicked on was going out of the sled,

push into the pole because it was a quick boom.

Like you could see me leave one and go into the other.

And the guy's like, did you do your run?

I'm like, no, I'm good.

Just went and did my thing.

And then it happened again really bad.

I guess probably the worst one was a girl at the lunges who saw me come on a farmer carry

because they were side by side.

And she's just like, do you know you're supposed to run?

I'm like, yep, good.

By station five, do you know you're supposed to run?

Yeah, so I mean, it was just, had good fun with it.

And then even a lot of the staff knew what I was doing.

And they ran with me a little bit,

like in my little bit of run from lunges to the wall balls.

So yeah, but I was surprised some of the stuff that did click.

Like the penalty minutes didn't click.

I wasn't terribly surprised in that.

But there was no rock zone time either.

it didn't it just i can the whole concept completely screwed up the computer system

so because you're not crossing when you're timing so here's what i learned yeah by the way dave if

you want to do this again and i which i will i had suggested something like this i said don't run in

right away just so they don't dq you because i thought that might piss somebody off that you

were there but it's not about pissing people off it's just if you run at least one lap yeah per

k yeah you will get a time plus the 120 penalties so that's the way to do it legally illegally if

you want to try that next time just do one lap then each station and then you get the one then

you get the max penalties yeah if you're if you're if your real goal is to get the penalties on the

on the screen yeah that would be the way to do it otherwise it's a dq if you don't do the runs at

all that's it in any station that's the that's it was kind of funny because there were so many

clues about what I was about to do.

Literally wearing a shirt saying what I was about to do.

My shoes, I had pure flat Metcons on.

No running shoes whatsoever.

So it was interesting.

A lot of people were very excited to watch me do it

and thought it was very funny.

Everybody got the joke.

Nobody was upset about it.

There was no negativity.

My only concern was when I did cross the line

and I saw that it didn't do the penalties

and just the time was like,

for God's sakes, don't flash world record.

you go up and hit the gong

so anyway it was it was good it was good fun i really honestly i enjoyed it they should do it

it was so much fun just here just when you said going from the farmers into the lunges i got

excited because i'm like isn't that we all want it's like oh fuck i just got done and now i gotta

run again because the farmers is over so quickly yeah but that was true and you're sure there wasn't

so bad but going from sled to sled and I can honestly say I did not get good lanes on my push

or my pull for the solo for the for the hard rocks there I did not get good lanes so I'm going from

sled to sled that I was dying for a little bit of a jog after the after after the after the pull

but still kept going on but yeah the and the lanes like I said I could tell because on Thursday night

when I ran sled move much better than it did on Saturday and I was much fresher on Saturday than

I was going into it on on Thursday so it was a lane issue I do believe so there were some bad

lanes um I know uh some people like got like seven minute poles here and there so and like guys that

would normally get like a four minute pole or you know something in that neck of the woods to go out

against them so there was it's the same as always the there's an inconsistency from lane to lane

and i think it seemed that the middle lanes were better and that's why on on thursday when i ran

with john we we were kind of in the middle but in my solo because i was in between waves i ended up

right at the front right so it was yeah it was a bit of a tougher tougher pull tougher pull and

push so but still yeah definitely worth it i would do it again and i'm glad i'm glad i did i'm glad

everybody got the joke i'm glad too and i think the only way it could be a problem is if you you

inspire too many people and then hyrax has to put on an ig post that says please do not do this you

will be immediately removed from the course you know what i mean but i don't think that's going

to happen well no i don't think so because most people aren't going to want to pay is they're

going to pay what they pay and they want to do the whole thing the whole experience most people

aren't doing for social media people will do almost anything and i know that's not why you did it

No, no, I did it for my own personal amusement.

It's like anything.

As long as I find my joke funny, that's all I care.

Right.

This feels like a victimless crime.

He positioned himself.

You have the best turns of phrases.

This is absolutely a victimless crime.

Yeah, like he positioned himself so that he wasn't going to mess up the judges as far as the weight stacks or anything like that.

Like he was just a guy floating in the middle.

it doesn't really seem like it affected anybody.

High Rock still got their money.

How about a reverse High Rock Strong?

Is that a victimless crime?

I think if you've positioned yourself in the wave

that's going to allow you to do it without anybody.

Because I think that would be the next move, Dave,

is go to do the wall balls first.

So, yeah, and like Cheryl says, when I set this up,

I purposely got myself into the last wave of the day

so that i would have as little effect on possible and when we went out of the gate

i hung back so that when i turned in no one in my wave would see me and get confused or wonder what

the fuck or anything anybody who was new in there would get would go now some of the people who i

would like who knew me and knew i was starting behind them and then somehow ended up in front

of them like robbie moss he's like yeah like i saw you here and then you were in front of me and i'm

like what the fuck's going on it's like running a spartan race right you just keep getting you keep

getting like passed by the same cheaters you're like wait yeah so yeah it was it was definitely

victimless and and it was a good time i honestly though high rock should look at it because damn

it was fun it was good it would like and other gyms are doing it it's definitely a good time

so if you do try to do this foolishness and you're willing to waste your money

make sure you go at the back i mean the amount of races people do why not

yeah i mean there are people who've done like these euros and uk people they've done like 70 races

so in all honesty what it has me kind of set to do is actually try on the next one

you know like like to beat your time yeah well like yeah to give enough so this one i did like

i mean i spent a lot of time in the in the push although it was hard you know posing and waving

and goofing off and just you know having a good time i ran in a kilt like i i clearly gave no

concerned about my time whatsoever i was just out for a good to have some fun so but i was like i

wonder how i could do next time you know see if i really pushed it what it would be like

so that was uh yeah that was the oh i was told though by an employee of high rocks

high rock strong no good we got to go with hard rocks we don't want the association

okay like i understand and i will i will update the shirt absolutely

because i mean do they want to have a sponsorship with the hard rock cafe is that i think well

there were hard rock casino was right by this event maybe that was the deal oh there you go

no actually i had originally called it hard rocks before but it never caught on

but apparently somebody listened

so all right uh cheryl you did the camp rhino high rocks conditioning test yes hct correct

as opposed to the pft which you did last week it's kind of new i i did i did something last week

pft ish yeah but it it i i think they're kind of trying to billing that bill themselves as

something that is a little more replicable for the race, like to help you know how you would do in

the race based on this test. They feel like it's a better test. And it is. I will say, look,

there's no running in this at all. And so I thought, how hard can it be? And I just woke up

from a fairly substantial nap.

Like I am not recovering well from this.

I was pretty surprised.

There's no running at all.

It's just row, ski, it's BBJs, it's lunges.

I want to pull up a video.

Is it on their stories or their feed?

Lauren Rontala, she did a nice little synopsis in her story.

And hopefully it's still there.

It's probably gone by now though.

No, probably not.

I think she posted about a little over 24 hours ago.

I don't know.

Let's see if we can find it.

Or a little less than 24 hours ago.

So see if it's there.

It was, look, it was really, really well run.

First of all, Camp Rhino always knows what they're doing.

Dakota Shackleton, he's a really, really excellent coach

and had things really well set up.

But it is an easy race to set up.

It's an easy event to set up.

They have, yeah, see, you're doing burpees across lines

instead of in a line.

We just had seven stations, you know, so it was just seven people at a time starting these things.

And so it's a pretty small footprint about what you can, where you can do things.

But were you wearing, I thought you were wearing the thing that shows the app.

There you are.

So over on the, over to the side of this, she had these set up for us to do before or after our actual start times.

To test the machine out.

Correct. To test. Yeah. To test things like our depth, to test, you know, jumping, you know,

that sort of thing. So she, she said, she says, I'm not going to make you do 20 wall balls. And I

said, I can do 20 wall balls. I think she didn't even think I could do 20 wall balls.

What was that? The test to do 20 wall balls. So, so to get the reading, you have to do 20 in a row

so that they can see, they can measure your depth and then an average of that depth. But this is the

actual event and we're not wearing any technology for that. Oh, okay. Right. So you start with the

row and then you go to the BBJs and then you go to those lunges and look, they had, unlike you,

which I'm going to ask about, we had nice little pads for our lunges. So you put our knees down.

This was set up really great. And just, you know, they, they were just able to move people through

really quickly. And then what you do is you, it is the one thing I will say about this is that it's,

It's self-report.

The judging is on an honor system.

And so you're counting your reps.

You're reporting your meters on your ski and on your row.

And then you put in that information.

And then output gives you a score out of 100 to see how you did.

So I think the two things that make it less of an event for me,

as far as something that would be something that I would do over and over again,

is number one, there are no judges. And so my wall balls, like when I'm counting my wall balls,

I can go to whatever depth I want. I can decide whether or not I've hit the target. Like there's

nobody telling me whether or not I've done a full rep. And that was really the place where it showed

up the most. But then people who were newer to wall balls, who maybe didn't know how to get to

depth or whatever, we're recording, you know, as many as they thought they were doing. And so that

can be kind of an issue, especially because, so we put in our, we put in all that information

and then output gives you a score and it's a score out of 100. So for instance, um, Joe Stanton,

who she is a good friend of the show. She, you, you repost her stuff a lot. She's very fun. And

she came and she's kind of an up and crumbing, uh, pro racer here in high rocks, uh, the high

she scored a 90 out of 100. She's very good and very fit. But the score is actually based on how

you stack up to the field that has already done the test. So it's not a static score.

It's like a percentile?

You're basically getting graded on a curve is what I ask.

On anybody who's ever done the test ever or that day?

No, everybody who's ever done the test ever, right?

And so-

What do we call that?

Is there a term for that, Dave?

No, other than being in a certain percentile, I would have thought, I guess grading on a

curve, but your grade would fluctuate.

It's not like you'd have one and it would assign it, but you could fluctuate.

And that's why I think your percentile could change.

Correct.

So she gets a 90 today and she says, oh, I'm going to retest.

I'm going to go to another one.

And maybe she gets a 92 or maybe she gets an 84.

She has no idea if that actually.

As an improvement.

Right.

Because the field could fluctuate.

Like her score theoretically could go from a 92 to an 88 without her doing anything.

She could have been better.

Yeah.

And she, but because there were all these, there she is.

Yeah, she's adorable and is working very hard.

So there's her reps.

And so I would be curious to the math.

I'll throw it into the chat slash ask Lauren.

Like if your BBJs go up, but your ski stays the same or your BBJ goes up, but your wall walls go down.

Like that's the part like that part alone, even without the grading on the curve thing is like, you know what I'm saying?

Because like with the with the with the what do you call it?

With the peak 500, there's a score after each thing.

and then that's your total here. It's a straight number. It's a number based on something.

Something. And we don't know what it is. And I don't like that. I'm sure that the engineers who

have figured this out, and Lauren was telling me how smart they are, and I'm sure they are. And

she is, I have asked her this question. I sent her my notes on this. And the poor guy's in Ireland,

so she probably hasn't heard from him yet. But she's going to confirm this about what I'm saying

about the score that I do think that there is a flaw in this. She is going to DM me as she's

listening to this, by the way, I'm going to, I'm going to get a random DM answering this question.

I'm going to be like, what are you talking about? She's going to say, well, you and Cheryl talked

about on Monday. And I'll be like, okay. And I know. Yeah. And you should know exactly what I'm

talking about. Yeah. Because I think, listen, this was one of the better fitness tests I've

ever done. I felt surprisingly smoked after it. I, first of all, I'm surrounded by all these

CrossFitters. And I'm like, Oh no, there's a guy, there's a guy next to me that just leisurely

rowing a one 48, you know, and I'm just, I know has had like legit games athletes.

They're all just monsters. And I'm like, Oh no, like none of my friends were there. You know,

it was just terrible. So, you know, I was trying to keep up. Yeah, it was just exactly. No running

to save you. I got a little sick after the ski. Like I was working harder than I needed to,

just because I wanted to keep up. And so it is an excellent fitness test. Like it's a great

benchmark. I just think a straight score might be better. Right. But, but the problem is,

is that as part of your score, you actually input your 5k time. So I just gave an estimate

of what my 5k time, not your mile time, but your 5k time that that's, you know, to, to give you the

endurance score or whatever. But again, people are estimating that I, I was, I was very generous

as far as I was very conservative in what I put in. And I don't know how much that would have

changed my score. Had I put in something that was a little more accurate. Well, I don't remember

that when we talked about it with Lauren. Yeah. That's something I actually do. When I talked

to Lauren about it in Miami, she, I remember her mentioning the 5k part because I just,

she has part of the test. And so as part of the test, you don't actually do the 5k if you did.

I think you're supposed to.

Like part of it is you are supposed to do an actual 5K,

but probably for the sake of this and not giving everybody notice at a time

to try to go out and PR a 5K.

No, it's because it's only a 20-minute workout.

It's 8, 8, and 4 or whatever it is.

Like 35 minutes total.

Yeah, it's not.

The 5K isn't part of it.

Right.

I think – like I mean the fact that you have to put it in there means it's part of it.

Correct.

Yeah.

To be able to get that score, you need your 5K time.

I'm going to my article from 8-15-2022.

Okay.

I think it's an accurate thing to put in.

Athletes complete the test in one continuous session

with short rest period between intervals.

Yeah, we went over this last week.

Interval one, eight-minute max, eight-minute two.

So yeah, it's not on here.

You don't do the 5K at the same time.

But I'm saying it's not supposed to –

here's what my article says.

Row, total meters.

Burpee BJ, number of reps.

Reverse lunges, number of reps.

Ski, total meters.

Wall balls, reps.

Total score equals sum of all meters and reps.

So I think they've come up with this math since we made this.

Probably.

And look, yeah, there's some very smart, you know, look, it's like Anthony Parasini coming

up with the point system.

Like, it's not something we can all just easily do, but it makes sense, right?

Like the quarterback rating system.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, you put in your 5K time.

I will say the fact that there aren't judges, not only are you having issues with Wobaldep,

which is always an issue, and that those people are then being put into that pile that then

skews the curve. But I lost track of my lunges. I can't count 25 of something.

Right. So I was in the hundreds. I think I did 121, but I think I may have done 111. Did I recount

60s? And so I just split the difference. When I'm in the gym training by myself doing BBJs,

somewhere on the eighth rep, I'm like, am I counting when I jump or when I land? In my head,

You know what I'm saying? Like even on rep number eight, you know?

Right. Right. So there are, there is room for improvement, but I love the test. I loved it.

And I would, I would use it as a benchmark test as much as say HTX, right? Where if I just wanted

to throw something in there, see where my fitness was, I felt properly beaten up by the time that

It's an HGX for when you're suicidal. Isn't that when you do that?

I think if you really have had a bad day and you just want to forget all your problems, you do HTX.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just to make things worse.

Yeah. I very much, I very much liked it. I had a great time. It was a really well run event. The

fact that it is set up time-wise, you know, those two minute rests are just the perfect amount to be

able to move to the next station, recover a tiny bit, but then you got to get back to work.

My heart rate was substantially higher than I expected it to be.

Did you bring a cute water bottle?

Of course.

Did you refresh between sets?

I made myself do that.

Okay.

Every break or just one break?

Every two-minute break, I would give myself a couple drinks.

Absolutely.

The fact that it's all time-based, too, makes it much easier to plan for a large group.

So when you're putting multiple waves through, having it being time-based makes it so much easier to plan.

And honestly, like when we do a DECA Strong, it's a bit of a guessing game as to how long someone's going to be,

whereas this being a time-based is very easy to schedule.

Well, and I will say that especially like a DECA Strong, if you're a newer athlete, somebody who's less experienced,

in my opinion, there's nothing worse than sort of having everybody watch you be slow, right?

Like it just makes it that much worse.

this look my bbj's were terrible i was just phoning those in nobody could tell because everybody's

just hopping back and forth right like nobody knew i was on rep four and everybody else was on rep 16

right so it works that way you it it's not as intimidating yeah well that gym i mean i've been

there i haven't been there in like over a decade but i'm sure they must do a bunch of deca events

there too right because you could you could run so many people through that they just announced

september 5th dave they're doing an atlas smile and strong event nice and i i i have i have to do

an atlas yeah i've got to do an atlas peak yeah yeah jake too um well jake's already done it i

mean of course he has i've not because i'm terrified of lifting 35 pound dumbbells over my

head and i need to stop being afraid of that so yes we will be we will be discussing this

yes i will be asking you for tips yeah yeah a lot of pacing yeah but they have plenty of room

you know so they can run it all and have it go well what are you drinking there matt oh i'm

drinking a little metal nice what flavor is it fresh fresh reinforcements arrived just before

this program so okay i stuck a couple in the fridge back there this is my favorite flavor this is mixed

berry uh i talked about needing glasses i can't see things close anymore

I was on a call with a client today and they brought up a document and I was like, should I tell them I can't fucking read this?

Like, could you zoom in a little bit on that document for me, please?

So I'm doing that.

I'm doing that output test.

And Lauren's showing me on the iPad all these different things.

And I'm just having to nod.

Like I had no idea what those words were, you know, like just act like you're not too old and you need to run and get your glasses.

So anyway, that looks effervescent, which I didn't realize about metal.

It is, in fact, effervescent, and it's quite tasty.

I would not be pounding this because I already had one when the show started.

I would not be pounding this.

So it's carbohydrate.

That's what you're drinking is you've got carbs.

I'm going to read to you what I'm drinking.

Nope, I can't do it.

He thinks he is.

I have to take a picture.

Oh, my goodness.

How did this happen?

How did I wake up one day and I can't read what's right the fuck in front of me?

Dave, do you need glasses yet?

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

For reading small things.

We've got no sugars.

We've got no sugars.

We've got only five grams of sodium.

We've got vitamin D.

We've got vitamin C.

We've got niacin.

We've got vitamin B.

We've got vitamin B.

We've got manganese.

only 40 calories per serving okay so there's 40 calories what is the sweetener if it's not sugar

well there's seven grams of sugar right it's this dietary fiber zero g total sugars include zero g

added sugar so it's less than it's zero percent of your daily so there's a little bit of sugar

right and usually it's some other form of sweetener is what i'm asking so white grape

juice concentrate must be that, right?

Oh, okay.

I'm just reading

what I'm drinking. What are you drinking?

Harmon's non-alcoholic beer.

How is it?

It's pretty good.

I've had 60 calories.

Water. Malted barley.

And wheat.

Hops. Yeast.

There we go.

That's it.

not a lot of fancy words and no alcohol no alcohol are we done with are we done with na

is there no more na in your house but na there this is an na na is a non-alcoholic beer no the

brand i don't think there is a brand na what what did you used to always drink athletic brew yes

athletic brew sorry no no still have athletic okay i just i'd like to mix it up you know ride variety

okay so um i forgot that i signed up for a sim uh this weekend until i got an email that's like

hey you got a sim this weekend i was like perfect because my fucking quads are still killing me

from the previous weekend um and i want to say right off the bat the opposite of my

bad experience last weekend well organized great judges great people and didn't say like who i was

it wasn't anything like that um the guy who puts it on um it's called club endure and the guy rob

who puts it on wasn't there um his people were um so they it's not like they treated me special

um so we show up and first of all i had a concert the night before now i never go to shows anymore

like ever ever ever like they're the amount of things that i've thought i was going to go to or

even plan to go to and then don't go but my old middle school buddy john i go all the way back

to middle school with we went to go see sting and i'm like i hope this thing isn't early tomorrow

and then i got an email that said your wave is at 11 40 and i'm like thank god because if it was at

8 a.m i would have been fucked because you know the show goes until whatever 11 11 30 i didn't get

to sleep until one. But we got there and I think there was a class at this gym. The name of the gym

is called the training room, but they're not the ones who put on the event. It's this other group

that put it on at their venue. So there's a decent size space indoors if you saw the video.

So the one hiccup was, so the sled push, the burpees and the wall balls were inside. Everything

Um, and the one hitch that I did not love was they didn't have a sled pull and in sled they,

and instead they did, uh, kettlebells, which I'm never thrilled about.

Um, kettlebells, kettlebell swings, instead of the pole.

So wasn't thrilled.

It was like 120 of those.

And we split them up.

I mean, listen, it's like I said, the only hiccup that I didn't love,

cause I'm not great at those.

I don't want to hurt my back.

We grabbed like the smallest weight.

I don't even know what that number was, but that's what we both used.

And we split it up and it was fine.

But, you know, when I asked them, I'm like, hey, the rowers are going downhill.

They're like, well, we put them sideways last time and people were tipping over.

So they're like, and we know it's kind of a little bit harder, but then, hey, you train harder, you race easier.

So it's like, all right.

So doing the people commented on doing the lunges on concrete and my buddy Clayton got some bloody knees.

I did not do that.

I was OK.

Like I touched as light as I possibly could.

That wasn't nearly what is bad.

What's what was bad was running in the heat.

It was a 76 86 degree day, whatever it was between the time we started and the time we finished.

That's the worst part.

So and it was a little long.

which they just they they must have put the cone in the wrong place and i i knew it almost right

away but i wasn't like there was nothing to do like my my watch hit two miles and i was like

we're only at like the third station i was like something's up so when it was all said and done

i'd run 7.1 miles and a typical high rocks is like five eight to six one and so i looked at my strava

and one up and back was 0.8 and it should have been that's like 0.6 is a thousand meters so

i messaged them after i'm like hey next time put your cones at a different spot like just i'm not

mad but a little long so um if we adjust the time it was like a 135 or a 138 high rocks which i'm

not you know like it was really hot and it was fun to do together and um we did it's the best wall

think I've ever done we just traded tens and I think that's the way to go because I think

at races normally I'm like well let me see if I can do 15 and it's like it's not good so we

literally just did tens and it was great we both like I started he finished that worked great um

we were watching the video of my lunges of my bbj's and in my mind I'm like man I'm flying and he's

like, you look like little bunny foo-foo. Like, you look like I'm covering this much crowd.

So I got to work on those. But the difference in having people that know what they're doing

and actually cheering everybody on. And I didn't know anybody there besides Clayton, but

we're running back on this thing called the Beltline, which is crowded with regular people all day.

But those of us that are running it, all of these little wristbands on. So we're cheering each other

on as we're coming and going as we see each other some people are doing solos people do doubles

and then these coaches would come around and actually do what they're supposed to do and

you know at one point when i was on that row you know i was running like a 205 she was like

i don't know do you think you can row a 201 i don't know can you and i was just like you know

and that kind of fired me up and so i rode a little bit faster and it was really nice like again

considering last weekend which was this shit show of like what what are you guys even doing so i had

really good time um and uh yeah if if it's hot in new york oh boy watch out everybody because it's

a whole fucking different ball game when you're running in that heat i haven't caught on or i

haven't i don't understand why it hasn't caught on why people don't bring knee pads to any of these

events because they're not old like you dave they just don't think about it i think the word you're

looking for is smart they're not smart like me buy the dylan scott knee pads they're not expensive

those are the ones that i've been using forever yeah and so i don't think at an indoor event i

would ever wear them i want to know if gloves make a difference i got these gloves to try

from the rocks gloves peoples should i try these for pull and or farmers like i see the pros do it

should i do it if you really sweat a lot sure i do sweat a lot then go ahead yeah yeah then

probably help you. Cheryl Snow. When I raced with Dustin, we had extensive conversations about

gloves because he's a big glove user. He says yes for the pull, no for farmers, yes for wall balls.

Yes for wall balls? Look, sometimes I get real slippery. Like my hands get,

those balls are not textured. And if you have sweaty hands at all. I feel like you need that

part of your hand i don't know i feel like the problem the problem i worry about is it the ones

that most people wear like i think i see richworm every now and every now and again is like the

wide receiver gloves right the problem being if you get to a wall ball that's already wet

once those wide receiver glovers get wet they're worse than not having gloves on they get incredibly

slippery really fast so why do wide receivers wear them what's that because they keep changing them

keep dry ones okay so i this is the kind i have these are little like i said these are from the

called...

It says it right on it. I should read it.

Dustin uses...

The Rocks guys. There we go. The Rocks guys.

Shout out to the Rocks guys who sent me these gloves.

I should try them in New York and find out what happens.

Dustin uses

the gloves

that he always used for OCR.

He says

they do everything.

He would use them on wet monkey bars

and all the stuff.

They're not wide receiver gloves.

I used to be a glove guy for OCR too.

Right. And so I got some, I got the gloves he recommended. I actually cut the fingers out

because I wanted the grip. Yeah. And, uh, and then, and it also made them less bulky and I just kept

them in my pockets and I was really glad I had them. I used them for the wall balls cause I was,

I, my hands were slipping on the wall balls and it cut it, shut it right down. It was perfect.

Uh, day, uh, Matt Kemp, my partner who may be listening when we race, remind me to put these

on. I want to see what they're like for...

I don't think I would want them... Put them on in training

beforehand. You should never use something

in the middle of a race that you've never done.

It could go really fast.

I got to go where there's a rope pull

because I'm trying to think.

Go do a rope climb. If you can climb a rope with them, then you can pull a sled

with them.

I will say that for me, the sled pull,

they've always got chalk

right there. I've never had a problem with sled pull.

I put chalk on before the carry.

I don't think I've put it on before the pull before.

Yeah, the pull, it's really handy. And so it hasn't, no pun intended, but it's not so bad for me.

And Farmer Carry, from what Dustin is saying, he doesn't think that the gloves really help, but they are handy to have.

Farmer Carry, I mean, I don't know. I haven't found the gloves to help a lot.

The handles are so big on the kettlebells that it kind of negates a bit of the gloves.

Like the gloves, if you have smaller handles, it helps wrap right around and get a little bit more friction, right?

A little more tacky sticking power.

But with those handles being so big, I don't know.

I mean, I could try it, but I don't think the glove would make a big difference.

I never find them slipping out.

They sent me these months ago, and then I don't know.

I must have brought them back here and forgot.

Anyway, they just sort of turned up again.

So I will now try these.

If you get really sweaty hands, then the gloves will help.

I mean, I sweat everywhere a lot.

So I'm just – that's a problem for me.

a sweaty person outside in new york yeah it's gonna be hot if it's not or it's gonna rain so

either way when i raced in new york we got we did that relay in the evening and it was cool and nice

do you remember how hot it was during the day it was scalding hot during the day

it was scalding hot yeah um not that it matters because it's too soon but let's let's take a look

at the weather i was just looking that up i never like to look until like the day before you had

you had scalding hot the first time you had really rainy the next time maybe you're going to get just

right this time well it looks like this week is hot and then it drops tuesday 95 wednesday 93 but

the next week we're in the 70s so massive difference but again i don't believe anything

until we get there.

It's time to start watching though.

And we'll definitely talk about New York next week

because I'm going to be there for almost two weeks in a row.

That's a long time.

So what else generally do you want to say about Ottawa, Dave?

It was the first time there.

It was only the third or fourth Canadian High Rocks ever.

Anything else you want to say about Ottawa, the venue?

Yeah. I had a very interesting experience as a volunteer.

Oh.

For the first time ever, I went to go volunteer to judge and they said, it's okay, we're full.

Okay.

I would never say that in a million years at any event.

No, and so me and my partner, John Cross, not my life partner, but my race partner,

we went and we both went to volunteer to do some judging and the girl goes, yeah, we're full.

We're like, I don't think you are.

Is it just you?

But I'm just like, we've just been watching.

You're really not.

You're not full.

I said, we can go out there and give you a few hours.

She's like, no, no, we're good.

And I said, well, we really are more concerned about signing up for tomorrow.

She's like, yeah, we're full for tomorrow.

And I'm like, are you thinking about the 20% that aren't going to show

and the 60% that do show that don't know what they're doing?

i'm mortified and anyway a guy came in who i guess i don't know if he was above her or whatever but

he came in he goes no no no we need you we need you we need you we need you okay so it's just if

you're at 150 volunteers you still say yep we'll take you find you something yeah you never turn

down free fucking help and then they know and little do they know who they're getting with you

and john but just period you take it and that's what he goes he goes what's your guy's experience

and we tell him he goes okay send these guys to wall balls like just so anyway i don't care if

you're running a freaking 5k a rodeo somebody says i would like to help you put them to work

well and at first i was just kind of go cool i'm out

but uh but yeah so it it was interesting i'd never had that happen before at any event of any kind

going up and saying i'd like to volunteer to help them i'm going nope we're full

um so uh i did explain to them some of the higher-ups i'm like hey you might want to

explain to these people that school that person that it's yeah that's that's never the right

answer right even if they think you're full you're not so anyway so that was it so we we did some

good judging uh we didn't we actually did not judge that friday because it was like mid-shift

and it's not like it used to be when i would show up and i can't speak for anybody else but if i

would show up and say hey i can jump and give you two hours they'd be like yeah please go right now

they're and to their credit i think they're more organized which was which was good they were a lot

more organized about shift changes and all that stuff which was great and they knew where everybody

was so that was cool um the second line or the third line dave for that shift change i was the

first line when i actually volunteered when i actually did the day that i said i would jump in

I was like middle of the first ship somewhere just randomly on my own time.

So we didn't judge that day.

And then Saturday we went and judged the morning.

John actually judged all day from seven in the morning till nine at night.

Wow.

He did a whole day at Walpole.

He did some really.

I did the morning.

I did till from seven till two.

And it was, again, interesting.

And it's funny because I'm in a position now where it has exploded so much that there's still some people who know who I am and some people who have no idea who I am.

And the interaction of how these people use me to work was very funny for me.

So it was just the way someone would be like, I had one guy and we were there and they were having the pro women solos come in on Saturday morning.

And then, you know, the employees, the black shirts and the head judges, they're like, okay, we're going to do the first like seven or whatever.

And I was actually in the first lane.

They did have me in the first lane normally.

And the guy said, okay, he goes, I'm going to take this.

I'm like, cool beans, man.

Go for it.

Right.

This thing again on the doubles.

He's like, watch me.

It might be a good experience for you.

Oh, that's adorable.

And I just said, hey, cool.

I don't mind.

But and then I said, I've done this and this this.

He goes, oh, fuck.

He's like, well, why are you volunteering?

Why aren't you doing this?

And I said, because I don't want to be responsible for all these other people.

I'm just helping out today.

That's it.

So then he's like, maybe you do like the third guy or third woman.

So anyway, it was interesting just to it was an interesting volunteer.

It was a good volunteering experience.

So I will say I was impressed that they had become more organized.

On the downside, there is still not enough instruction on the wall balls for sure.

And the instruction is too late, too loud, and in the wrong place.

They train them on the floor?

On the floor.

When we were actually given training, the race was already underway.

And it's very loud because of the DJ, the music, everything going on.

So I felt really bad for the guy trying to train people because no one could hear him.

And I would say, honestly, by the time, like, there was not a lot of time gone through standards.

And by the time we got through it, I think that they were lucky that there was some of us there who did know what was going on because we had to help a lot of the other people.

And, yeah, so it was, they definitely need to do that better.

If they're getting the black shirts in for those pro waves, the times that matter, right?

And they're nailing that in every city.

And that's like, hey, let's just get that right this year.

Like, fine.

But yeah, it does seem like a just kind of from a practical structural thing.

Let's train the wall ball people up here.

Now, X amount of people, it's going to go in one ear and out the other.

but at least you're not giving yourself this problem of

they're there, that alone is distracting,

let alone that there's noise and music.

They put themselves in a position to fail there

rather than a position to succeed.

Yes, set yourself up to win.

There was lots of other rooms that they had

that they could have went in and just set up a target

and brought the wall ball judges in there and said,

okay guys, this is what we're doing.

Any questions on that?

And it would have been way better

because we saw some people and one girl in particular,

She looked terrified, just terrified.

And she couldn't hear anything.

And it was just like, it was what it was.

But all in all, I mean, I will say from what I noticed on the weekend, judging on the burpees, I believe, has improved.

That's gotten better.

The wall balls, to be honest, it was very much a lot of the same.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've seen lunges and burpees get way better because, you know, there's less.

Only so many people, so many, right, can cover a lot of people,

whereas Wall Ball, you need hundreds of people every week

or how many you need.

But yeah, they're getting there.

And if you don't get a qual spot because the person next to you

had a lousy judge, you're going to have to get over it.

Yeah.

Them getting the Elite 15 right,

and I definitely want to talk about,

if you're done kind of wrapping up Ottawa.

Yeah, about that.

But yeah, I mean, as far as just so I'll wrap up about the rest of Ottawa.

Venue was good.

It was nice.

I liked it.

It was very close to the airport.

I mean, literally right beside the airport.

Hotels everywhere.

Overpriced hotels.

But they were there.

We camped.

Much more suited for us.

But it went well.

Air conditioning.

Pumping.

Very, very cold in the venue.

That was really good.

Stuff like bag check.

Everything went really well.

Parking was cheap.

So I was, I personally would think that for me, uh, other than racing with my wife, this was probably my favorite high rock experience.

So yeah, I thought they did a very good job.

And you, uh, you have a first place flag for doubles, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Nice job.

Default.

Let's go.

Were you one of one?

One of one.

Let's go.

World championship qualified.

Let's go.

Come with us, Dave.

come on no no no no we um we knew going in that it was like that we we talked about before we knew

going in that it was we were one-on-one and we just went out and had a good workout um

we didn't really overextend or something i dream of those i dream of knowing i'm gonna win i mean

yeah and it was just like we got to the station and at any point we got tired on the run we're

like let's just take this easy let's just hold back just chill and go in and do the next one so

it was a lot of fun um and we we have decided that we will go again and we will push so to see how

that actually goes i'll actually run to train a lot of running in that high rocks it is who knew

well depends yeah not if you do it right um all right well i want to talk about there were six

races this weekend there were uh is it 59,000 or 69,000 finishers i counted it up but i mean

it's just like holy shit right every city now 10 11,000 people i heard was it 13 in ottawa someone

said uh 11 and change official probably was 13 registered yeah yeah yeah um so like you can't

not have a four-day event now right it's like minimum you gotta have four days in every city

and five and in in some others but we're we're getting everyone questioning when they're gonna

add an extra day to toronto i mean i think i think they gotta add them for for tampa that's

sold out i think they're gonna have to so but i really liked it's made the weeks exciting i think

in a way that i didn't think i would care about or that i didn't know that i'd notice because it

used to be just like oh well this person popped to this or that and now it's winning means something

and so you know you were you messaged me like rich one by one second you know when we when when

dubay went but i was watching kind of all weekend men and women and doubles like oh cool like this

is who winning matters it's kind of like dave it's kind of like i don't know how closely either of

you watch college football but it was kind of like the reverse of what they were afraid of with

college football they were saying that when they when they took away the playoffs it was going to

make the week to week not as important because it used to be oh my god if you lost you could never

it was over for you right and they said it would make the weeks less important it didn't turn out

that way the weeks are just as important but to me it's made the individual races just as important as

it made it exciting like i care and i don't know that i cared before does that make sense

well when it was based on times people could win but if their time was a 58 yeah it just yeah

right now if you win in denver when it's really fucking slow or you win in mexico where it's

really slow like you won you get the points points yeah right and and it's bringing out more athletes

so we're seeing more people race well we're seeing all these names that we never saw before it was

always this kind of cluster of kind of not a lot that we would pay attention to. And now we're

seeing all these names show up that make it really fun, I think. And the names that we do know racing

more. I didn't know Rich was going to Ottawa. Yeah, he kind of needed to. Like he's going to need to

start stepping up a little bit. So and to listen to race on Thursday and then just wait till Saturday

night, like late Saturday night to know how you did. That's got to be really stressful. That's got

to take a couple months off your life that's how we felt we had a week till saturday night to do

our it was very stressful did you go back to get well you did go back to get your flag did you both

were you both there yeah well like that was the day where i did it right there i just ran that

and so it was right after that and john had volunteered that whole day so we were we were

still there okay but it was like 10 30 20 to 11 a night sometime something like that yeah rich was

rich was back home already yeah so it was it was a small crowd so i left you guys a voicemail

i could you left you guys a voice note uh about this thing and

it's the reason i'm i'm mentioning it is because i couldn't we talked about this whole concept of

what it meant to win the majors and I was upset and some others were upset Dylan and I talked about

it about calling it a grand slam and I was like yeah it doesn't really work that way especially

because like the world championships still become and like there's still the regionals and it's like

you swept the majors and that's kind of cool and I couldn't figure out what bothered me because I

thought well they're referring to what happens in tennis and golf and those are four different cities

just that it's international. So it just hit me today. And it's, it's probably obvious to everyone

else. I just never said it this way before. And it's important for me to say it because

we want to be considered a real sport, this growing thing. We have to talk about sports in a way that's

real and relatable. And the reason a grand slam happens and the greatest of all time

to ever do it in tennis and golf, it's such an accomplishment is because each one of those

individual races are a championship on their own there are 20 whatever tennis tournaments in a

season or 30 golf ones or whatever there are and then they have these things called the majors

the u.s open wimbledon uh the masters these are like these massive life achievements and they in

themselves pay the most money and they are in fact championship races the majors are the playoffs

the majors aren't the world championship they're almost the opposite they are a building block to

get to the world championship so you can't call it a grand slam when it's it's basically like

sweeping in the playoffs it's like when the knicks beat you know beat the fucking hawks 4-0

so uh can we please stop can we settle down with the grand slam talk please because it's not the

same thing grand slams on their own archip that each grand slam event is on its own a championship

and winning the majors is a fantastic thing and we're happy for joanna and whoever does in the

future but it's not a grand slam what if we look at it this way the original word grand slam is

from baseball correct yes that's when you clear all the bases so everybody's on all the bases

right yes so like everybody on each of those bases is not really a championship or a major

so this might actually be more attuned to the actual term grand slam

say it again say it again well well well when you're talking about a grand slam right you know

having everyone on base that's that's not anything it's it's hitting that final one getting all of

them in so it's maybe more attuned to the actual term grand slam whereas opposed maybe those other

sports are actually using it incorrectly and hyrox people are using it right hyrox is doing us a

service by reclaiming the termed grand slam to what it was originally intended to be exactly and i

think that that was their whole motivation absolutely they sat down with some linguists

exactly worked this out exactly that's why it's called the world series of fitness so to put it

in perspective baseball really so to put it in perspective there are only uh six golfers who've

won who've done a grand slam in their lifetime yeah not just in a year like it's why they're

inappropriately using the term it's terrible that it very much upsets me i've been thinking about it

thank goodness for till it's it's it's it's not just the first part about that each one is a

championship it's that they're really hard to do it's why we don't it's why we need to not throw out

the term goat or greatest of all time our sports about five years old we can't do that yet it's

like chill the fuck out let's what about what about like like from wrestling and and and natalie

neidhart the term can we use boat what is that what she started using yes the best of all time

Okay.

Boat.

Because you could still currently be the best of all time.

So.

It's a fluctuating scale.

Dave has given me a hard time.

Yeah, I am.

And that's fine.

I really care.

I really care.

I know you don't.

And I really do.

Not in the least.

Not in the least.

I love your take, Dave.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The good part, though, is I honestly didn't think about giving you a hard time before until

just now and then i thought i know i understand i understand well done thank you i know that there

are people who are i know that there are um there are my people out there who will message me and

say you're 100 correct man if you're gonna work if we're gonna if we're gonna set something up

it's gotta be there's a reason it's a major it's like a major uh an accomplishment right

really, really hard to do.

Would it be fair, and would you be happy

if they called it the sweep?

Absolutely, that's what it was.

She swept the majors.

Right, because technically the regional isn't a major,

it's a regional.

And again, it's awesome.

Ronco was the first one to say,

hey, I want to try to do it, and he didn't.

So there won't be a lot of folks that do it.

It'll be pretty rare.

Not as rare as winning a Grand Slam, though.

Anyway.

So if Joanna wins Worlds, is that a Grand Slam?

No, she will have swept the Worlds and she's the world champ.

Okay.

So what is a Grand Slam in High Rocks?

There isn't one.

There isn't one.

Now.

What if you win and they go back and change the system because they could do this

and the majors get a title of an APAC, a European, a North American,

and then those are championships.

If they call them championships, then by rights, it would be the same thing.

Here's what I'll give you for Grand Slam.

You ready?

If you win High Rocks World Championship,

Deca World Championship,

Deadly Dozen World Championship,

and something else in the same year,

or a calendar year, I'll give you that.

That's your Grand Slam.

I like that.

That would make you a boat, too.

Definitely would be the boat.

You would be the boat.

Could you be like a coat?

the coolest of all time oh i like that too yeah i'm the coach

i don't know why hyrox thinks that they need the hyperbole yeah you're doing your own so is it

sorry and i mean i don't pay any attention is it them doing it or is it just like different little

no they were so they were so fast as hyrock said it her sponsor said it joanna made a video and said

And again, I think people are mature enough to know this doesn't mean I don't like Joanna.

I'm a fan of Joanna.

I'm very impressed with her, what she did.

But again, we are covering a sport and we need to use terms appropriately.

And they were so quick to use it.

And they just thought, well, we have majors and golf has majors.

And so, and tennis has majors.

So let's call it the Grand Slam.

And it's not quite the same thing.

It's not quite the same.

And again, you've devalued it because again, what's, what's, what happens when she wins worlds,

if she wins worlds, right? Then it's like, you've already blown your wad.

Well, that was my concern is, is I kind of feel like we're just running out of terms. Like if we're

just going to, if we're going to throw this stuff around and we feel like we need to say these big

things, then when something truly big happens, we don't have a term. I mean, it's a good thing.

The world record's hardly ever been broken because that's, yeah. And again, like, why are we so

focused on having to have a world record every major or else it wasn't good. I don't know. Like,

I don't know why we don't just settle on the fact that this is a really fun sport and people are

incredible who can do it and allow that to be, not everybody needs a trophy, right? We can just

allow it to be what it is and not try to act like it needs to be something more.

I think they've abandoned it because I set the world record this weekend and they didn't post

anything no like usually rocks life would have had a picture of you in your kilt and said something

all right let's move on to something i'm happy about okay they announced uh the prize money's up

oh and it has gone up is it double from last year i thought it went from 30 to 40

well i'm sorry i'm just talking about the winner my bad yeah the winner went up from 30 to 40

there's uh 300k just for the solos there's another is it 125 for the doubles and then

there's some relay money i got a couple of questions i didn't realize it or i forgot

they only paid they're only paying top five doubles teams and i was like why are they doing that and

last year they did the same thing but i don't remember caring or thinking about it but i think

I think you did mention it last year.

Why are we not paying all the teams?

Why are we just making it top-heavy and not worrying about it?

Because they don't care as much about doubles.

But they do.

Don't they?

Evidence would say to the contrary.

I mean, by sheer evidence, I mean, if you're putting more money on the solo

than you are on the double and paying out deeper,

clearly you don't care as much about the doubles.

so here's the here's the little graphic which went up

let's screen share we talked about it last year i remember it being mentioned

because the fact that i knew it means you mentioned it because otherwise i wouldn't

have cared so 30k first place not nothing so 15k that's pretty sweet even if you

suck at singles and you end up at the bottom you're gonna leave with 15k if you win doubles

uh second place 16 000 third place 10 fourth place five sixth place

3 000 last year a grand total of 62 000 was given away this year

uh 126 000 is given away relay is also top five by the way how much is 15th and solo

let's have a look.

Shall we?

Let's go to

Hybrid Fitness Media.

What position did you say?

15.

15.

15.

$1,000.

So it starts at 40.

30 20 12 9 7 6 5 4 3 3 2015 yeah now educate me on this uh are the athletes like for worlds

in elite 15 do they have to pay an entry and are are they like like is no they don't pay entries

for majors or worlds okay no they're accommodate but their accommodations and stuff aren't covered

right no no okay they got a kit and yeah they got a kit and all the other stuff so realistically

10th up maybe 11th up you're you're you're gonna make money or break even maybe yeah okay

well and it's definitely i think it is one of those things people say hey i can't pay my rent

exposure but i do think you are getting you are getting viewed by a lot of folks if you

you have a chance to put yourself on the map right if you oh yeah yeah i would say i would have

me personally i would have scaled it a little more but more but i mean more for the people

at the bottom i mean just so it's yeah so that the people at the bottom maybe

are at least breaking even you know a thousand dollars seems a little insulting

It's like, here you go.

This isn't going to help you at all.

I don't know.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to go that far.

But I do think it's, I do think if you're only having a pay for 15 athletes,

that it would be nice if those 15 athletes at least could cover their hotel.

Right.

I mean, listen, Stockholm is not the cheapest option, right?

These people are going to pay.

Dude, Ottawa was 500 bucks a night.

I can't imagine what Stockholm is.

Stockholm Hotel is actually worth that.

The flight's over as bad.

Hotels are bad.

The flight's over a nightmare.

I'm no longer happy.

You guys sucked out my bad mood.

I was in a good mood.

I was in a good mood.

And now I realize, you know, as hot as they are, peak High Rocks, sellouts everywhere, 60,000 people in one weekend.

Give it up, High Rocks.

Let's go.

Come on.

This was like, couldn't they have been like, you know what?

100 grand for the winner.

Or keep the prize purse as it is and pay accommodations.

for the elite 15.

Not about that.

I don't know.

How about 100 grand to the winner?

How about like, we're a real sport.

Here's 100 grand.

How much does, doesn't CrossFit pay a ridiculous amount of money?

Yes.

But they, but they had like 300K for the winner.

Well, yeah, last time it was like 250, I think, but either way,

but it's like the winner and then it's a massive drop off.

Okay.

And then like, top three does okay.

Top three does okay.

If you're not in the top 10, maybe even top eight, you're losing money.

I think third place was like 75 or 100K a couple of years.

And you're paying to enter the CrossFit Games too.

And it's not cheap.

Well, so they –

By the way, we're only talking about a week.

We're not mentioning like the 52 weeks of training and racing and eating and clothing.

We're not even talking about that.

Well, and most of these athletes are not going there for one –

They're going there for a week, at least, you know, at least a week of accommodations.

Right.

Acclimating.

How did you guys bum me out?

I was so excited about the money doubling and now I'm like, it's not enough.

Well, obviously it's a great step in the right direction, but I do think if they're going

to, if they're going to be marketing this elite 15 idea, then, and, and they want these,

they want these athletes to be full-time athletes.

They're probably going to need to do more for say 10 through 15 than what they're currently

doing.

And maybe they will, you know, maybe,

I think this was, they had a chance to like say like, Oh,

you guys thought we were doing okay. Wait till you see this number. Yeah.

100 for first 50 for second, you know, even a big drop,

but like just some massive amount that they probably can afford. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Look, I think,

I think 10,000 for 15 all the way up,

like still keep it 40,000 for the first,

but it would be,

I would,

I would very much love to see that if they're going to be,

you know,

if this is their group,

if they're the ones that are going to be kind of their,

the people that are marketing the entire sport,

then pay them all.

I'm going to make sure that they're not paying for their accommodations.

I don't think they are.

I don't think they are.

I seem to remember they did that in the past,

but that was quite a while.

Early,

early days they did.

Yeah.

Prize money wasn't as much, but they were paying accommodations and stuff like that.

Oh, and by the way, if you're late to a meeting, you get penalized.

Yeah.

Athletes are strongly advised to obtain comprehensive travel and medical insurance for each hierarchy of it they attend.

This should include coverage for international travel, competition participation, emergency medical treatment, ambulance transport, hospital care, and repatriation were applicable.

What does that mean?

Repatriation.

Thank you.

I've never heard that word in my life.

That's when they put you back in your country.

Okay.

Like to fly you back?

Yeah.

Yeah.

To fly your body back if you die?

Correct.

I shouldn't say such things.

I thought it was a very polite way to put that.

rather than corpse shipping

yeah at one point they did that in the early

those first like Chicago

Invitational or the Vegas World Champs I think they

they gave them the hotel room

back the Elite 12 that was

all provided being more than 10 minutes late at mandatory

media obligations result in a sanction of up to 20% of the athlete's next elite prize payment.

All 40 prize money will be publicly donated to charity at the end of each calendar year.

Wait a minute. That's new. Wait a minute. That's new. I asked that question before.

Remember I asked that question? I think so. I said, hey, what happens to the money?

That's new. There you go. I asked where roll downs were going to be. I said, where are we

getting the roll downs and i was told wait we don't want to announce yet because we're gonna

tell us reasons and then it was like oh it'll just be from whatever race they did which is what they

did last year so i don't know what they were thinking of doing but um there's if there's a

roll down it will be who like so hopefully they'll be there i guess because it's not necessarily like

oh, I know my race was this,

so that's the one they're going to use.

Correct me if I'm wrong,

if you saw the doubles,

have you guys seen the doubles names?

Not updated, no.

I think some men's have already rolled down

because there was a couple names that I had no clue.

Yeah.

Let me pull that up.

Again, I will go to a website called Hyper Fitness Media.

Did I publish this yet?

I think I did

Okay

Marco Nikik

And Alexis Bernier

Are the 15th place men

And Martin

LeCol

And Xavier Dufault

Are 14th

I have not heard of either of those men

Above them is Martin Entovit and Louis Ossler

And I've heard of them

So if you guys podiumed on a major

I'm sorry I forgot who you were

like there's already been a roll down in doubles i'd have to go through and see they don't sound

familiar to me either but the doubles have been a lot harder to keep track of

if they put more money into it it would be easier yeah we should be giving away more money

especially the doubles which is more exciting breaking news

Hyrox is a new partner.

They rarely do this,

but I got an email this week

that the official Hyrox warm-up is Ramp.

The warm-up system built for Hyrox.

Remember these sticks?

They were going to do it with the kids?

These are back.

I have no idea what this is.

Yeah.

Well, why don't you read this headline

to the listener, Cheryl?

Rotation, the hidden secret of Hyrox champions.

I mean, clearly that's...

Dude, I've seen Lauren using these all the time.

Which one?

No, I have no idea what the fuck this is.

Smart micro-loading?

Your game changer.

I'm still not knowing what it is.

Let me open a window.

Hey, open a window, kids.

No, not that kind of window.

Hang on.

They look like those, you remember OCRWC when they had those weighted, you know, phallic looking things?

This is kind of what we're looking at here.

Oh, they are those things.

Look, did you see that?

Oh, it's basically a shake weight.

How dare you?

Dude, shake weight should totally spot them.

That would be awesome.

They could partner with Surf.

Listen, I hate to be a hater.

Oh, yeah.

There we go.

I hate to be a hater, guys.

And this is something that me and the gentleman from Whatify talked about is, and I know we've talked about this a lot, is like, can we chill out with the partnerships?

When does it devalue the brand of like, yep, every single person that wants to give us a dollar, you get to be the official.

blah blah blah it reminds me of the new deca ab boards that they put in deck how dare you

game changer

yeah it's just kind of Nancy told me they were a game changer anyway I mean aren't they

Dave as an official judge and a brand ambassador for all things deca

I'm a brand ambassador yes I heard you were on the board I heard you I heard you signed off on this

were you the final signature on have boards you were like yes I was very consulted on that I'm

very consulted on that no he has three in his home it's true it's true they're structural though

but I think the difference is Deca needs it Deca needs all the help they can get God bless Deca

right the little engine that could they need it high rocks like i just got like whoever the

previous person whoever the previous girlfriend was that got the flowers they have to be pissed

right wait i thought we were the official you said i was pretty now new email goes out to the

new girlfriend that says no you're the new official pretty thing i mean i just i'm i'm always just like

it's just a head scratcher guys i just i wonder that the womanberry is going to be full of those

everyone's going to be using.

Can we have fights with them?

Can we throw them at each other?

Are they weighted?

So they're weighted?

They look weighted, yeah.

But you see, they are the exact same thing

that they had at OCWC.

Fit fighter.

Yeah, they replaced wreck bag with.

Fit fighter.

Yeah.

Okay.

Socks full of beans.

Okay.

So dumbbells without the heads.

Yeah.

They're not that cool.

Okay.

That's going to be weird.

I had no idea that this was even a thing.

So it's not really reaching us anyway.

So I guess they're just taking their money.

Maybe they'll just have them laying around the warm-up area.

That would be really fun.

Oh, someone's going to smoke someone else with them.

Has to.

Has to.

I know I would.

This would just be funny.

Well, the good news is...

Should we dare to ask what one of those things cost?

Yeah, Fit Fighter.

I think they had a rebirth because some of these posts are like 187 weeks ago and some of them are like 15 weeks ago.

So I'm not quite sure what's happening.

But yeah, we had them at OCR Worlds one year.

Yeah.

Yeah, there we go.

Do you want to tell everybody what we're watching, Dave?

uh was it dragon's den or shark tank which one of those dragon's den this is an american program

dave that's shark tank shark tank all right yep yep and what is she doing bean socks you know

it's like a fire hose sewed at each end with weight with like whatever weight they use pellets or

rubber or something inside for weight um yeah

it's um it's a thing it's a thing

okay i had some of those at one point i had some fit fighters i think i brought some home from

worlds r.i.p wreck bag man they were the greatest wreck bag was awesome wreck bag my my wreck bag

has finally bitten the dust because it's been outside so long and like the handles have finally

worn off and like I could tape the shit out of it I'm sure but I'm just I'm just not using it

anymore so I'm using my uh I'm using my uh what do you call it what's the other brand

not ram I do love my rams but rams are pretty indestructible brams are pretty

damn indestructible love my rams um the bag I use is from brute force brute force okay

also out of business?

I don't know.

It's hard to stay in business for OCR guys.

No.

When your equipment that's relatively

unnecessary, it's just not going to have

any staying power.

Unnecessary?

Those little weighted sticks, what are we

doing with those?

Cheryl, what do you know about

fitness? Unnecessary.

i just assume pick you up throw you over my shoulder and walk around that's going to be

much better for me than swinging those things around look at that they're different colors too

rotation baby okay oh look at that wait a minute is that the luke i'm your father movement what's

that a lot of this is how you land the plane look at that oh wait look i could do that that's a ski

erg i need that wouldn't the weights actually help you pull the bands down in that motion

i was thinking wait are you saying you wait a minute you're not saying figuratively land the

plane you're saying land a plane yeah yeah like the dude on the runway right i thought you meant

waving glowy sticks around in the air.

I thought you were saying it as a figure of speech,

like, oh, he didn't quite land the plane on that one.

Oh, no, no, no.

Sticks it.

That's what we need to look up.

Sticks it.

Sticks it?

That's what it was called.

So.

They need that, what was that guy's name?

Tony with the ponytail guy back in the 80s?

Yes, yes.

He'd make it work.

So anyway.

when I get emails from High Rocks, I just don't know what I'm supposed to get excited about anymore

is what I'm saying. Every week is a new, the official something of High Rocks.

So Dave is floating. Dave's starting to float away.

Dave, I know the other thing you were talking. Do you want to say what the

ad board? What is it doing? What is the ad board doing

on that? What is it doing? I've seen the sit-ups. You're

are you doing? What's happening, Cheryl?

I might have had too much metal. I'm a little

excited now. I think you're a little excited. Look, I'm looking up

those sticks. For the

1.5K, a pair of

them, it costs 100 euros.

What measurement is 1.5K?

Three pounds? Yeah, like kilos.

Oh, is it kilograms? Okay, kilograms. Okay, sorry. I'd expect kg.

My bad. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. No, this is European because it's euros, right? The two kgs are 126 euros.

For five pounds. What are the heavy ones cost? Do you know dumbbells are a buck a pound?

The heaviest one here is two kilograms. Or maybe, no, two kilos, right?

Yeah. So two kilos is five pounds.

Well, you didn't know about, but you guys didn't know about rotation.

Rotation is what is the key for all the Laurens and all the Riches and all the Ryans.

Anyway, I didn't mean to distract from the ab boards, but I was, I just had to find out what these things cost.

Now tell me the purpose of doing a pregnant mommy ball sit up on an ab board.

What's happening?

Oh God, I have no idea.

Dekka, Dave, you're the final signature.

Yeah.

No, no idea.

No idea.

Yeah.

It's a board on the ground with a little bit of padding and a plot to hook your feet in.

I'm sure there's other stuff you can do with it.

But as far as how it's used in the DECA, that's what they're using it for.

So, yeah.

It's there.

I got nothing.

Okay.

I am not an ambassador of the board.

How about some more good news?

Can we talk about DECA Atlanta?

That's exciting.

so that is when november yes yeah seventh i think yes so it's let's see let's go to november right

now matt would you see old matt would have been preparing to do a deca ultra then so here's what's

funny here's what's funny tampa is october 23rd then mexico then atlanta deca then denver so it's

It's not a high rocks week, so it's totally doable for me.

I said to Clayton, we're going to do that.

Let's do the Deca Ultra.

Oh.

By station four of our simulation, I said, I don't think I can do a Deca Ultra.

Can we split up the runs, though?

Not just the stations.

Can we tag team it?

There's no Deca Team Ultra.

Why not?

I don't know.

I actually think there should be.

It absolutely should be.

You'd get more people.

yeah right now there's like 30 to 50 people that sign up for it every time right but that is

actually all they have they don't they don't release any more tickets than that for the ultra

so why not keep the same time limits start everybody at the same time right or start doubles later i

don't know how you would do it but why not i'm not saying do four people oh i don't know i think it's

a good idea i've mentioned it before okay i like i like teams for everything makes it better well

especially something with that much work now i would suggest that if they did do a team ultra

that you would be able to split up the runs well i um i'm definitely going to do a singles and a

doubles for for deck atlanta because it's it's at the same venue that high rocks was which is

minutes from my house what about a four person sure absolutely i'll do all the categories can i do a

ruck can i throw a ruck in there can i do all the categories do a ruck if you like you could for

your solo do a rock okay no no yeah yeah why not and then for doubles for doubles i'm gonna do it

with my buddy who's 70 well he's 70 now he's probably 72 so we can qualify in that 120 plus

yep you would be qualifying for the following year i'm well aware and who knows if i live that long

right who knows can i give you guys a quick can i give you guys a quick uh health update yes yeah

Well, I want to be very careful how I mention this because there are sensitive listeners.

I'm very squeamish.

You guys have been – if you've been around me, I don't like to talk about – I don't like to see blood or bodily fluids or I don't like – I don't joke about it.

Like people, guys, especially, I don't know if you know the show, like to joke about like

their like bowel movements and stuff.

I don't like those kind of, I don't hear, like, I don't like it.

Okay.

Having said that, uh, a box showed up at my house the other day.

Uh, and I said, Stacy, what's this?

She said, well, the insurance company wants you to poop in a box.

You got a call a guard, didn't you?

And while I will not describe what happened, I will tell you it's the most disgusting thing I've ever done.

And even now, I'm getting sense memory of it.

But yes, this is the world we live in.

This is what I mailed it in.

Are you open to questions?

I'm open to questions.

But again, we have to be very careful.

No, these are not.

I don't think these are gross questions.

These are logistical questions.

Okay.

uh was it like in almost like a margarine jar that you had to to do to use

because because like i um have experience with a like margarine container-esque device

and a and a support system that went on the toilet to hold such margarine yes like a tub

there's like a tub yes yes yes was this the same setup which on its own would have been fine

because it's a quick close up the box and go however it's not there's a i'm just gonna say it

sorry everybody a smaller specimen you must obtain that's the problem is you have to interact with

the specimen correct interacting is the problem why they why they can't do that part i don't know

but you do the thing and now there's a box and it's very self-contained they've they've mastered

like you just rip it off and now the new label goes on and all that right they've mastered that

part here's the part that i'm like to me this is now in fact hazardous material right and when you

mail like when you medic when you mail medical stuff there's a special label on it right this

was not. I, in fact, walked into the UPS store with my box, trying to act as casual as possible

so that when I hand this to a person, there's no acknowledgement that what I'm handing them,

right? And I'm just praying, praying it's busy and they just go and I go here and they say,

thank you. And I go, and that is exactly what happened. So my wife said, listen,

My wife is in the other room listening to me for about 30 minutes because I had to get up the courage to do it and the whole thing.

Right.

She goes, honey, it's this or a colonoscopy.

So if that's the alternative, I think it's worth it.

But I listen.

It's not pleasant for anybody.

But if you know me, I'm especially squeamish.

I don't watch horror movies.

I just I'm a very squeamish person.

I'm surprised given that you have run ultra marathons.

Ultra marathons made me very tolerant.

of bodily functions.

Nope. Nope. I've gone outside

many, many times, but I never

look at it. I mean, I'm...

You don't want to... There's no interaction.

Grab the leaves and... Like a dog

or anything like that? Like, you know,

when you have to pick up for your

dog or anything, you don't have a dog.

But even that would have been fine.

Like a dog would have been fine. That's different

than personal.

And again, I had babies.

I dealt with theirs. This is a whole

other level. This is a whole other

I feel horrible that we even talked about it.

I feel really.

People are driving right now going, oh, I feel bad for you.

Just so you feel better.

For your experience, that was a one-shot deal, right?

We pray.

Maybe it's every year.

No, no, but I mean you had to do one sample.

Well, along with the other part you had to interact with, yes.

But yes, you do that and then there's a special fluid you pour in.

I don't know.

Maybe that was a big deal.

For my experience, it was an entire weekend of work.

Oh, wow.

To make sure you didn't have a problem?

Well, sort of.

Yeah, but it was a very different kind of thing.

But yeah, it was pretty much every movement of the weekend.

I wouldn't make it.

I wouldn't make it.

But there was no...

You were a pro by the end.

Like you said, there was no interaction.

It was, you know, fill container.

Just a bucket itself would have been fine.

Fill container, seal container.

How often should I do the color guard?

I'm asking this.

And by the way, this came from the insurance company.

They were just like, yep, you're old.

Here's your box.

Yeah.

Every three years.

I have to do every five years.

Okay.

Fuck you, chat.

You know, chat, can everybody just answer your question?

It says repeat every three years, and then it goes on to say a bunch of other stuff.

If you want, I can also break down color guard versus colonoscopy accuracy.

what redder users say whether insurance usually cover shut up

so um uh what a world we live in though what a world we live in that that's that's where we're at

i don't understand why you can't just do that at the hospital instead of the colonoscopy like why

not just do that like hey you leave it they do the thing they do the business for you right you leave

the sample and you know i'm saying why can't you just do that because they don't want to do it

Well, and they could, but then the reason why you get the colonoscopy is if they need to do further examination.

That's what happened to me.

Right.

But why don't they say, rather than doing this at home, which is disgusting and you can screw it up and you can decantaminate or whatever.

Oh, I see.

So it's like leaving a urine sample at the doctor.

Exactly.

Why not just do that?

I would have come in and done that.

Yeah.

I think you would definitely need to pay nurses extra to do all of that volume.

How many messages do you think we're going to get about this?

I think this will be the main topic on YouTube.

How many people have been repulsed and say I'm unsubscribing?

Oh, no.

People are tougher than that.

They'll be fine.

Okay.

Well, listen, you should do it.

It says age 45.

I'm 54.

Matt, you don't look a day over 37.

I know.

I'm 54, and they say do it every three years.

I always forget, Dave.

Are you 50 or 52?

I'm 50.

You're 50.

And John Cross is older than me, right?

John Cross is 62.

Wow.

That's why you were one of one.

That's why you won that age group.

We were 55 to 59.

55 to 59 pro division.

Yeah.

Gerald, we don't move up an age group until what, next year?

No, it'll be a while because it averages our age.

And so I'll be turning, I turned 59 this year.

So like it's going to be a few years before our average goes.

No, no.

We're already 55.

You're what, 52 or 53?

I'm 54.

He's 54.

We're in 55 to 55.

You guys are already in 55 to 50.

Correct.

So we're going to be there for a while.

We're going to be there for a while.

And so, so I can't, who, which one of us is going to make it jump though?

Because you're, if you're older than me, shouldn't one of us make it jump at some point?

When our ages average out, but it's going to be a while.

What is it?

What is it averaging out to now?

What's the average of 58 and 54?

It's like 56, right?