This episode of Ministry After Dark dives deep into the challenges of authenticity within the Christian community, as the host grapples with the pressures of fitting into societal expectations while trying to uplift the name of Jesus. The conversation highlights the importance of being true to oneself, even when faced with external judgment or the fear of ruffling feathers. A significant portion of the episode critiques a recent incident involving a visiting minister who disrespects a bishop during a service, raising questions about the use of profanity and the lack of order in the church. The host emphasizes the need for love and unity within Christianity, contrasting the divisive rhetoric often found in discussions about race and politics. Ultimately, the episode calls for a more genuine approach to faith, urging listeners to focus on character and integrity rather than divisive labels.

Ministry After Dark presents a thought-provoking episode where Brother D R E shares his personal struggles with authenticity and the pressures of being a Christian voice in a complex world. He opens the show with a reflective monologue about the challenges he faces in finding his true voice, caught between the expectations of his community and his desire to express himself honestly. Throughout the episode, Brother D R E emphasizes the importance of embracing individuality and the unique perspectives each person brings to their faith journey. He draws parallels to what often happens in the kitchen after church, where real conversations unfold in the presence of family over a meal. This setting is contrasted with the formal and often stifling atmosphere found in many church services, highlighting the need for authenticity in all aspects of life, especially in spiritual matters.

As the episode progresses, the conversation shifts to a more controversial topic involving a heated exchange between a minister and a bishop during a service. Brother D R E analyzes this incident, questioning the appropriateness of the minister's behavior and the implications it has for church leadership. He argues that such confrontations not only reflect poorly on the individuals involved but also on the church as a whole. The discussion serves as a cautionary tale about the importance of maintaining decorum and respect within religious settings, particularly when disagreements arise. The host advocates for a culture of accountability and love in church affairs, urging listeners to reflect on how their actions and words may affect the larger community of faith.

Towards the end of the episode, Brother D R E tackles the intersection of faith and politics, particularly focusing on the divisive rhetoric surrounding political figures like Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. He challenges listeners to critically evaluate their political affiliations and to recognize how these align with their Christian values. The host argues that the church should not be divided along political lines but rather united in purpose, emphasizing the need for prayer and compassion in political discourse. By wrapping up the episode with a call for unity and understanding, Brother D R E leaves his audience with the empowering message that embracing authenticity and love is essential in both personal faith and communal worship, encouraging a dialogue that nurtures spiritual growth and understanding among diverse perspectives.

Takeaways:

• The host emphasizes the importance of being authentic and true to oneself, especially in faith.
• The discussion highlights the struggles of expressing individuality within the confines of church expectations.
• They explore the contradiction of using harsh language while preaching about God's love and unity.
• The episode critiques the divide within Christianity based on race and political beliefs.
• There's a call for unity in the Christian community to better reflect the teachings of Jesus.
• The host expresses frustration over the hypocrisy in judging leaders based on their actions versus their faith.

Hey, what's going on?

This is Brother D R E on the mic.

And welcome, people.

Welcome to Ministry After Dark.

Tell you it feels good doing this.

Be getting some positive feedback on.

On the subjects we've been talking about about the show in general.

You know, having a good time with the show.

This is the show that you will hear what you don't normally hear on a Sunday morning.

This is a show where we talk about the things you talk about after church.

You know how that goes.

Normally, it starts with a plate of food.

You know, being around the family, y'all sitting at the kitchen table and y'all just start conversating about different things, that kind of conversation.

So, anyway, we're going to get into the show, but before we get into the show, I just want to be very transparent with you.

You know, it's been kind of hard finding my voice.

It's been.

It's been.

It's been hard finding my voice, trying to figure out exactly how I want to do this thing for a number of reasons.

You know, you.

You try to do things in regards of being respectful of other people or trying to think about what other people would want to hear.

You, you.

You try to conduct yourselves in ways that would be beneficial to uplifting the name of Jesus.

You know, there's just.

There's just a lot of pressure on being, I don't know, I guess being a Christian.

And quite honestly, you know, sometimes it stops us from really becoming what God has made us to become or wants us to become because we're trying to fit into the crowd.

We're trying not to ruffle feathers.

We're trying to be what people expect us to be.

And so recently I've just been having this battle.

You know, since I've even launched this thing, I've been having this battle.

How should I conduct this show?

How should I conduct myself during the show?

And, and, and honestly, I'm.

I'm just.

I'm at a point where I've just realized, man, I'm different.

I'm just different.

I'm.

I'm not like anybody else.

I can't be like anybody else.

I'm.

I'm.

I'm just different.

And, and so hopefully this will help somebody as well.

Maybe someone feels the same way I feel.

You know, maybe you've been trying to make sure you don't do things that were ruffle feathers.

Maybe you one of those people who are trying to.

Not necessarily.

You're not trying to, you know, kiss butt or anything or, or fit completely in Is.

Is just a thing of, you know, being accepted.

It's.

It's a thing of you wanting what you do not to be in vain.

You know, they don't want to listen to you because, you know, of the way you conduct yourself or the way you talk, you know, or the things you talk about.

But quite honestly, I've just had this epiphany, you know, that I'm different.

I'm just different.

So I've got.

I got to be me.

I got to be me.

The only way this is going to work is if I be me.

And maybe the people I was thinking about while I was doing this, you know, maybe they won't listen.

And if they don't, hey, I just wasn't.

I just wasn't what they.

What they want.

I'm not what they need.

But somebody needs to hear my voice.

Somebody needs to hear my style.

So as of today, as of today, I promise you, good or bad, I don't know how you're gonna feel about it, but good or bad, I just got to be me, okay?

It's all me.

This is just.

This is just how I'm going to.

I'm going to operate this.

You're going to hear how I think, and, hey, we're going to roll with it like that, okay?

So get ready, take a load off.

Get your popcorn, get your nice drink.

Alcohol free, of course.

However, you need to relax and listen to the show.

Let's get ready.

Africa.

There.

The secret.

The secret is coming.

Jess is coming.

Oh, oh.

Just don't grab that mic.

Well, can I.

Can I say something?

You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you.

You don't need to grab that m.

Don't do it no more.

Hey, listen, that is us.

That's what we do, man.

Listen, the Bible says.

The Bible say, let everything that have breath praise the Lord.

And he didn't say how you had.

How you had to sound, but, you know, we not in the 90s, no moment, man.

Listen, you ain't in the club no more.

This ain't New Jack City, man.

You know, But I.

Listen, listen.

He listen.

Maybe he just came to church, you know, maybe he just came to church and he wanted to give God praise.

I can't be mad at that.

I really can't be mad at that.

Because, you know, I remember sometimes when, you know, you had those dudes out in the street, you know, them street dudes, and back in the day, street dudes would come only to church for two reasons.

Either it was Easter, or they.

Mama want them to come just this one time.

You know, they.

Can you just come this one time?

I don't ask you for much.

Can you just come this one time?

And, you know, they remember how he used to sing in the choir when he was a little boy.

And then, you know, the.

The pastor, you know, they pass a note to the pastor, you know, my son's here.

Can he sing a solo or something like that?

And.

And.

And then the pastor said, well, you know, let's.

Let's give it up for brother Tony.

And Tony come up there and say, wow, I love the Lord.

Yeah.

Hey, that's us, man.

That's how we do.

But, hey, shout out to this dude, man, I wish I could give y'all the clip, but, man, keep praising God in your own way.

Just keep praising God.

You.

Whenever you have a service.

I didn't say she had to stop worshiping God.

You did.

And don't worry about it.

What I said was this.

What I said was this.

When you have a service, we want to make sure we start on time.

One that we don't have to rush the man or woman of God.

Okay?

So let me finish talking in my house.

I don't give a damn about your house.

God bless you, sir.

That's not how you order.

Like I said, that's not protocol.

God bless you.

Trust and believe me, I know it.

God bless you, sir.

There are souls that are still here trying to be free, and I didn't say that.

She didn't have to.

I don't give a damn about no damn time limit.

God bless you, sir.

Who are you to tell God he can't do what he got to do?

God bless you, sir.

We thank you for coming.

When you leave out, please watch out for this step.

God bless you.

That don't make no damn sense.

And you a bishop in the Lord's church.

Here's the style now.

God bless you.

Don't put your hands on my.

God bless you whenever you have.

Okay, so.

Oh, boy.

This is why we need to have conversation.

So I'm looking at this clip, right?

Man, I.

I really wish I could.

I could give y'all the clip.

Y'all can see what I'm talking about.

So let me.

Let me set the scene for y'all.

We got a bishop who is going on with the service, and this.

I don't know if he's a bishop or a pastor or.

Or what he is.

We.

But we know he's a Minister of the gospel.

He has now cussed out the man of God because he is going on with service.

Now, you heard in the clip that he said.

I didn't say that he had to.

She had to stop worshiping or, or stop doing what she's doing.

She can have her time with God, but we're going to move on.

And so here it is.

This visiting minister is cussing at the bishop.

And while cussing at the bishop, he is trying to correct the bishop.

Make that make sense.

How are you going to tell this man that this, that what he is doing is not of God?

And yet you are cussing at this man and you don't recognize that you're out of order.

You come up in somebody else house and don't recognize that you are out of order.

The way you are talking to that man.

You are out of order on so many levels.

And yet you find those words to use blanketed blank this.

Blanketed blank that you find those words to use to correct the bishop who you said was wrong.

Make it make sense.

And then the thing about, here's the thing that gets me about the whole, about the whole situation.

He is, he is letting them words fly, and they are flying very freely, which says to me that he is accustomed to using those words.

Not one time did he shy away from the word not to.

Not one time did he say, excuse me, not.

Not one time.

He, I mean, he, he just, he just went on this tangent using those words.

And by the way he was using them, you know, he used them a lot.

And then he had the nerve to tell the, the past of the bishop when the bishop was handling handing him his stuff.

Don't touch my s.

But yet you trying to correct the bishop and talk about how the Lord ain't done here yet and there's souls that need to be saved.

What, what soul you gonna save?

And you sounding like that, that's all I'm trying to figure out.

What soul are you going to save?

And you sounding like that.

See, this is why we got to be careful how we say we.

We doing things for the Lord.

We do this in.

In the name of the Lord.

You know, you, you try, you know, you looking out for souls.

You know, you mad because there's souls that need to be saved.

But yet while these souls are being saved, you let the devil use you.

That is a problem.

That, that, that's a problem.

And what's crazy is he don't see it.

That's the crazy part.

He don't see it.

It's It's.

And, and we wonder why.

We wonder why not.

Now, that's, that's an exchange between a bishop and a minister.

I don't know what he is.

I, I do know that he has on the, the robe.

He was sitting up, you know, in the pulpit.

So I'm just gonna assume, I'm gonna assume he's a, a pastor, or I'm gonna assume he's a pastor.

We wonder why a lot of times that what we call lay members get comfortable with sin.

We, we wonder why some people look at church as just an event, something to do and not a relationship.

You know, something that's, that's reverence, you know?

You know, you're going into the presence of God.

We, we wonder why people, people on the outside of the church are looking at church like, ain't nothing to this.

They look at church as a cult because based on, on this video alone, church looks like a cult.

There's no love for God here.

There's no how.

I can't explain it.

You can't excuse it.

So now I'm wondering what did this gentleman who walked out, who cussed out the bishop and took his members with him or whoever came with him, what is he gonna tell his flock on Sunday morning?

How do he explain.

How does he explain that to his people?

It don't make no sense.

We gotta do better.

We gotta do better.

I'm gonna be back with this, this next clip and this next clip.

I must admit, this next clip got me hot.

I, I, I was originally.

I'm, I'm just gonna be real with y'all.

I was going to record on last night, and I decided not to record on last night because I was too much in my feelings.

And I really needed to calm down and think about this thing, you know, before I shared my opinion on this next clip.

This next clip is with Donnie.

Donnie Swagger.

And, yeah, we're gonna get into that.

I'll be right back, y'all.

And I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm gonna be from what the statement I'm about to make.

I'm going to be called a racist, and I will be called every name under the sun, but somebody needs to stand up and speak to the black church.

When the largest Pentecostal.

When the largest African American Pentecostal denomination, when that leader stands up and said, I endorse that woman, he was saying, I endorse murder.

I endorse homosexuality.

I endorse lesbianism.

I endorse transgenderism.

I endorse every evil that hell could prosper or bring up to the right.

That's wrong, folks.

And the black church votes predominantly for the party that is anti God.

What's going on here?

What's going on?

See, my statement to them is this.

We.

We've had them call into the program.

I don't like it when you talk about.

Well, no, the problem is they don't like it because we're stepping on their toes.

Hello.

All right, so let me.

Let me.

Let me.

Let me get into this.

This is Donnie Swagger.

Can to.

I believe he's a son of Jimmy Swagger, and he is totally, totally out of line with what he's talking about.

This is.

Listen, this is the problem that.

What we just heard is the problem with the body of Christ right now, with Christianity right now, because we have people separating the Bible of crop.

The.

The body of Christ based on race.

The black church.

The.

How dare he.

The black church.

The black church supports Kamala Harris.

That's the problem.

The black church.

And.

And he was so disrespectful.

Not even given her name.

Address her by her name.

Vice President Kamala Harris.

The black church.

This is why we are separated right now.

This is why people don't want to fool with Christianity.

Because for.

For people who are supposed to be so loving and so united, we are so divided.

We.

We are divided by white and black when we should be united by red.

That is the blood of Jesus.

The black church.

Not a particular black church.

Not a particular church, period.

The black church.

So what that sounds like to me is people who think that all black people are the same.

That's what it sounds like.

The black church, it reeks of white superiority, that complex they have.

And quite honestly, if I'm a sinner listening to this right now, if I'm a black man listening to this right now, I am not looking to meet Jesus.

If I.

If I am a.

If I may, white man and I hear this rhetoric.

I am not looking to meet Jesus, the black church.

And so disrespectful of the vice president Kamala Harris.

I bet he wouldn't want anybody to call his father Jimmy, who don't know him.

You would want to.

You would want, you know, someone to put respect on your father's name.

And yet you.

You address the vice president as that woman.

When you voted for that woman, endorsed that woman.

How dare he.

Now is everything that the Democrats.

Because let's not.

Let's.

Let's be honest with.

This is everything that the Democrats Or.

Or Kamala Harris is every agenda that she's pushing, does it.

Does it lead to the Bible or.

Or meet all the Bible standards?

Maybe not.

But you cannot tell me that the.

So if you're not.

If you're not endorsing Kamala Harris, you got to be endorsing Donald Trump.

You cannot tell me that Donald Trump is all Bible.

You know, all his views line up with the word of God.

How he carries himself lines up with the word of God.

Let me make this very clear.

I don't support abortion.

Okay?

I don't.

I'm black, but I don't support abortion.

I don't support transgender.

I'm black, but I don't support it.

I don't support homosexuality.

I'm black.

Go to a black church, but I don't support it.

But with that being said, you cannot look at Donald Trump and tell me without a shadow of a doubt that he is going to make laws that line up with the word of God.

You can't tell me that.

I.

I know.

And I know that's who you're voting for, because there's only two candidates.

You're voting for Donald Trump and to each his own.

You know, if you want to vote for Donald Trump, I.

You know, hey, I'm not here to talk you out of it, but for you to base your vote because Kamala sounds like the devil and Donald Trump sounds what?

Holy?

He sounds holy.

That.

That's.

That's who we.

That's who we expect to.

To make decisions based on the word of God.

You do realize this is the same man who had Trump Organization that was found guilty on 17 charges.

He did run casinos, but he's holy, though.

You do realize this is the same man who was found guilty of defamation and sexual abuse of Jean Carroll.

But this is the savior, right?

This is the same man who falsified business records to pay hush money to a porn star.

The same man who openly said he don't mind grabbing a woman by the privates.

The same man who, in this election has been caught many times lying about what has happened.

I thought lie was a sin.

Lying is a sin.

I thought that's what the Bible says.

But we don't want to see that part of Bible.

We.

We don't want to address that part of the Bible.

This is the same man who blatantly lies to try to win the election.

He in court about that right now, but he admitted on national TV that he tried to do it.

This is the same man who was found, who was fined a million dollars, about a million dollars, for trying to weaponize the courts to go after political adversaries.

This is the same man.

And recently, I don't know if people watching the news, but this is.

This isn't opinion.

This isn't a rumor.

This was on msnbc.

He was trying to give Stormy Daniels more hush money so he could have a better chance of winning the election.

This is the same man who was the same man who.

Who said that Charlotteville, the racist at Charlottesville were some good people.

There were good people on that side, too.

I believe he was found guilty of a racial discrimination.

This is the same man that's done all that sexual abuse.

Paying a porn star for sex, that's called prostitution.

But no one looks at that.

And why don't anybody look at that?

I don't want to say because he's white, but what choice do I have?

Someone explained to me, how is it that you have people, and I'm not even going to be as low as Donnie Swagger.

I won't play this race card, so I won't even say white evangelicals.

Someone explained to me how people who are voting for Trump because he's supposed to be God's pick.

How.

How are you getting this, this notion?

How.

How do you figure this and then explain to me how Kamala is so bad?

Don't worry, I'll wait because you can't explain it.

So if it's not because he's white and it's not because he's Republican, tell me how you figure this is God's pick.

And by the way, doesn't the Bible say, pray for our leaders?

Don't.

Don't the Bible say that?

I believe the Bible says, in First Timothy, Chapter 2, it says, I urge then first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions and thanksgiving be made for all people.

For all people.

For all people, for kings and those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in godliness and holiness.

We're supposed to pray for our leaders.

Now there's a laundry list.

Again, I'm not telling you who to vote for, but I quite honestly, I am pissed off by this, what I heard, but I'm not going to tell you who to vote for.

But I will just say this.

There is a laundry list of reasons why we should not vote for Donald Trump.

If we're just going on character alone.

Just character, just character.

What a person stands for.

How how, how, you know, we got all these, oh God.

We got all these qualifications as to why certain people ought to be pastors or bishops.

It's in the word.

We have those, we have those conditions.

Does Donald Trump meet any of those?

Well, he's not, we're not talking about being a pastor.

I, I understand that.

We're not talking about being a bishop.

I got you.

But as a leader of our country, I, I'mma say this.

And, and people who, who want to, who let, let me just say it like this.

Let's, let's take the God factor out of it for just a minute.

Let's just look at Char.

His character says he's not fit to be president.

His character says he's not fit to be president.

With all that he, he is.

And, and, and some of these, you know, he has to go to court for some he's already been found guilty of.

These aren't rumors, these are facts.

He's been found guilty.

His character alone says he's not fit to be president.

If you, if you, if you were looking for a man to marry your daughter, would you want Donald Trump as your, your son in law?

The same person you, you're talking about is good for the country and that's God's man.

Would you want him as your son in law?

Someone who is convicted of sexual abuse, constantly in the news about, you know, how he treat women known as a racist.

He will do anything to be liked.

That's what you want.

Now let's look, let's, let's, let's, we're just talking about character now.

Let's look at Kamala Harris character.

Show me where she's been convicted of anything.

Found guilty of breaking the law because, oh, you know, we forget about, you know, the Bible do say obey the laws of the land.

Show me where she's broken the law.

Show me her convictions.

You can't find it.

But you down her and, and I, I don't, you know, I, I, I don't know what the reason is, but just, just as me looking on the outside, it seems like you down her because first she's a woman and then she's black.

That's what it sounds like.

And then you, you know, you, you cast such a large net.

The black church, the Democrats.

So that means all Republicans think the same.

I doubt it.

So if all Republicans don't think the same, how do you figure all Democrats think the same.

How do you figure the black church?

Every, every black church thinks the, there are some black churches that I would not go to.

But there are a lot of white churches.

I wouldn't go to either.

But I don't say all white churches are evil and hateful because we gotta.

Because you come out your mouth evil and hateful.

There's plenty of evidence that there are white churches that don't obey the word of God.

But I don't say every white church is like that.

And I don't care what your last name is.

I don't care if you're swaggered or not.

Your last name could be Jake's.

I would say the same thing.

You were disrespectful.

And furthermore, you cannot tell me, you cannot tell me that God told you to say that you can't do it.

I won't believe you.

Because first of all, God is not about division.

Secondly, God is about unity.

Since we talking about Bible, I wonder how many, how many.

Since he's talking about the black church, I wonder how many black pastors or Black bishops did Mr.

Donnie Swaggart reach out to, to correct them if they need corrected, if he felt like they needed corrected, doesn't the Bible say, go, go to them one on one, and then if they don't listen, then bring someone else with you.

And then if they don't listen, then bring it to the church.

I wanna, I wonder how many people he reached out to before he made this disrespect, disrespectful, hateful speech.

And they wonder why the body of Christ is not effective, would not have an impact.

You want to know why black men call Christianity as the white man religion?

You can listen to this video right here.

So you got many black men, black pastors, black believers trying to win the loss, and they hear this misguided.

I won't, I want to say so much, but I, I won't, because I am respectful.

But this misguided white preacher, they won't come because of this.

They go to Muslims because we sound like this.

Maybe it has happened, and I don't know about it, but I cannot remember a time that I heard a Muslim, you know, talk down, I mean, a real Muslim now, talk about hate.

I haven't seen it.

We understand the, the whole thing with the black Muslims in america Years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years.

Well, more than 40 now.

But when was the last time you heard Muslims be so divided?

You haven't heard it.

You haven't heard it.

And, and whether we hear it from, whether we hear hate from other religions.

Let's, let's just look at Our own.

We are supposed to be loving.

We're.

We're supposed to show the love of God.

We are supposed to show unity.

And it's stuff like this that makes it clear.

It makes it clear to everybody that there is a difference.

Shouldn't be.

But there is a difference between white churches and black churches.

And it's sad.

It is very sad.

You.

You know, life has a way of showing who you really are when you don't get your way.

When you don't get your way, it'll show what's really inside you.

It'll show us real.

It'll show what you really believe.

You love black people as long as they're under your control.

That's what it sounds like to me.

It's wrong.

And he.

I'm not gonna speak anymore about this because I'm.

I'm getting mad all over again.

I.

I just don't.

I don't.

I don't understand how.

How people expect the body of Christ, expect us to win the loss when we can't even agree in our own church.

You know, I.

I'mma say this, and then I'm gonna wrap this up.

I'm a person who.

I won't say I don't see color, because I do, because there's a certain group of people who make me see color.

They won't let you forget it, and I'll leave that at that.

But I will say this.

There was a time where I thought things were a little better.

You know, I have no problem associating with white people, and I still don't.

I believe we can get along, but something happened that showed exactly how people felt about me.

And that's when Barack Obama first got elected.

When Barack Obama got elected, before he had ever done anything in office, I had white people who I knew, who I'm supposed to be cool with, say in a nutshell, oh, Lord, there's a black man in office, this world going to hell.

There were.

There were white people making monkey jokes.

The same people who I thought I was cool with or who I would never think would have that kind of stance or have that in them.

But I found out when they didn't get their way, the truth came out.

And I say that to say now that the quote unquote, and I don't believe, is every white church.

I don't.

I really don't.

But now that some people are not getting their way, they have a problem with the.

The black church once again.

Look at character.

Let's look at character.

Let's look at the fruit.

What does Donald Trump fruit say that he's going to do once he's in office?

If he were to get in the office, and I, I don't believe he is, but if he were to get into office, what does his fruit say?

What does his life say that he's going to do?

You think he's going to live by that Bible that he had upside down when he was holding it?

I've seen Kamala Harris pastor.

I haven't seen Donald Trump.

Look at his character, look at his track record.

And I know people can shrink, can change, but look at his recent.

We don't even have to go back years.

It's not like I'm going back 30 years.

Let's just look at the last five.

Let's look at the last two and you tell me who's more qualified.

But the Bible said, pray for the leaders.

That's our job as Christians.

Pray for the leaders that if they don't hear, they will hear.

That's what we're supposed to do.

But instead of having that, we want to pick the worst.

The worst candidate I have ever seen.

And I'm not taking it back from nothing.

This is the worst presidential candidate I've ever seen.

We want to pick him.

34 felonies.

We want to pick him because he's Republican, because he's white.

What is it?

And you dog Kamala Harris out because of what?

Because she's Democrat.

Because she has 34 felonies.

Oh, I forgot.

She don't.

Donnie is wrong.

He's so wrong.

And if he was here, I would tell him to his face he's wrong.

It's just more division in the body of Christ.

Anyway, that's the end of the show.

Thank you for joining us on Ministry After Dark.

You know, if, if, if it offends you, I'm sorry, this is how I am.

I didn't say anything out of line, but Gotta call a spade a spade.

Gotta call a spade a spade.

So it is what it is.

Anyway, thank you for joining us.

Hope to see you next time.

You all be good.