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Curious About Sensory Processing Differences
Episode 61st August 2024 • Curious About Nature • Rachel Mills
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In this episode of the "Curious About Nature" podcast, host Rachel Mills converses with Nicole Bateman, a SEND consultant and advocate for children's sensory needs. They delve into the importance of understanding sensory processing, especially for neurodivergent children. Nicole shares her personal journey and insights on creating resources to help children manage their sensory experiences. The discussion covers practical tips for parents, the benefits of outdoor activities, and Nicole's upcoming initiatives, including a SEND conference and new podcast season.

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https://aboxfullofjoyuk.co.uk/

Curious About Nature is hosted by Buttercup Learning Founder, Rachel Mills.

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Curious About Nature is a nature show for families, home educators and teachers from the team behind Buttercup Learning and UK nature activity boxes that get digital kids outdoors.

There's a new episode every month where guests discuss nature and ways we can connect our families and communities to nature.

What we discussed in the episode


Nicole's Background (00:01:14)

Nicole shares her journey from teaching to creating resources for children with sensory processing differences.

Creating Resources for Children (00:02:54)

Nicole discusses her businesses, "A Box Full of Joy" and "Super Sensory Squad," aimed at helping children express emotions.

Importance of Understanding Sensory Needs (00:03:18)

Rachel shares her personal experience with her daughter's sensory processing differences and the positive changes observed.

Evolving Business Focus (00:04:03)

Nicole explains how her focus has shifted towards sensory regulation and emotional needs in her businesses.

Building Resilience in Children (00:06:10)

Nicole emphasises the importance of creating a safe environment for children to build resilience.

Identifying Sensory Processing Differences (00:06:55)

Nicole provides insights on how to recognise sensory processing differences in children.

Super Sensory Squad Overview (00:09:02)

Nicole describes the Super Sensory Squad programme and its benefits for children and parents.

Impact of Super Sensory Squad (00:09:47)

Rachel shares how the Super Sensory Squad has improved her family's understanding of sensory preferences.

Using Nature for Sensory Exploration (00:15:01)

Nicole discusses the benefits of outdoor activities for sensory exploration and regulation.

Evening Routines and Sensory Needs (00:17:00)

Rachel shares her family's evening routine that incorporates nature walks to help her daughter relax.

Calming Techniques for Children (00:18:44)

Nicole suggests ways to support children’s sensory needs at home by integrating their interests.

Upcoming SEND Conference (00:20:31)

Nicole announces the Adapt and Include SEND conference, aimed at supporting children's activity providers.

Future Plans for Super Sensory Squad (00:22:29)

Nicole discusses her upcoming conference and aspirations for teacher training to support neurodivergent understanding.

Community Resources and Freebies (00:23:25)

Highlighting the various resources available for parents and educators, including free videos and posters on sensory processing.


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Welcome to the Curious About Nature podcast.

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This is a podcast for folks who want to connect with nature and

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rewild childhood. Hosted by Rachel Mills, Buttercup

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Learning's founder, an educator with 20 plus years of experience

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with a passion for animation, the natural world, and conservation.

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Rachel focuses on getting digital kids outdoors and having fun in

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nature, promoting wellbeing and a can do attitude to local wildlife

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conservation and sustainable living. Join her and her guests for their

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stories, experiences and tips to support outdoor learning and nature.

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Connection. Welcome to the Curious About

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Nature podcast. This month I'm joined by Nicole

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Bateman as sound consultant, passionate about advocate for

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children's emotional and sensory needs to be met so they can thrive.

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Nicole offers training packages, courses, digital resources and a

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fantastic podcast. Hi there Nicole. Hello. Thanks for having me.

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Oh, it's a real pleasure. I'm really looking forward to

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our conversation this morning. Before we get into it, I'd love to

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know a little bit about you for our audience who are listening.

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Tell us a little bit about your background.

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So I am a teacher by background. I left three years ago after my

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autistic son was diagnosed with epilepsy.

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I really love supporting kids and especially looking at the

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whole child. So when I left, I started

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creating resources to help my son express his emotions because he

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found that a little bit tricky. So I started my first business,

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a box full of joy, creating resources and then also

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helping people through exam stress because I saw a lot of the time,

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the amount of pressure that was put on children to make them think that

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exams would be all and end all. And I just wanted to help kids

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understand that they are important. However, they're not everything

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and that their worth is not tied to their exams. So I did that.

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Helping my son and also creating resources for other children,

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did some mentoring and And then I partnered up with an

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occupational therapist to start the Super sensory squad.

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We've got eight penguins that help kids understand their sensory

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systems, help with regulation strategies, and also helping

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parents advocate to a school. Because I've been on my own

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personal journey over the last few years trying to advocate to get

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my son his GP, get the support, get the different diagnoses.

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And yeah, it's been a journey. So it's combining personal lived

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experience as well as different professional viewpoints to try

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and help parents. And which is why I started my podcast

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conversations with Cindy mum, to just help people feel like they're

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less alone in that journey because it is a struggle sometimes to get the

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support that your child needs. Yeah. And I know from personal

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experience my daughter has sensory processing differences.

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And so it's really struggle to express what what she needs.

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Um, but that's actually been changing.

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And that's because of doing Super Sensory Squad actually.

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And it's really great to see her sort of developing confidence to

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talk about those differences and how specific needs as well.

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Makes me so happy to hear that, because that's the point.

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If the kids can understand themselves, their brains understand

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their sensory preferences and what triggers them, then they can

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advocate to be like, actually, yeah, I like touching the fluffy things.

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That helps me regulate. Or I like smelling this or this

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is and they can advocate. So I love hearing that about

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your daughter. Thank you. I love the impetus for how you

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got started with Box Full of Joy, because obviously you've got two

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businesses with box Full of Joy and Super Sensory Squad.

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I'm curious about how you developing the two side by side really, or are

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you at a point now where you've got such a great range of products that

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supporting children's wellbeing and mental health through the the

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stuff that you've done through Box Full of Joy? Yeah, definitely.

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I think as you evolve, like when you leave teaching, you think, oh,

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I'm a teacher, what else can I do? But actually the amount of skills

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that you just learn being a business owner, you'll know too.

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You learn things. You're like, actually the I said,

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let's start a podcast. And then three weeks later it

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was launched. And yesterday I just finished in

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July, I finished the season two of the podcast.

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So it's also something that I want to instill in children, actually,

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when you put your mind to it, you may not know the things,

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but you can learn so much and you can actually do whatever you want to do,

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especially if you're fueled by that passion and that mission.

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So I think we evolve and we adapt things to suit.

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At the start, it was the kind of emotional needs trying to get him

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to express how he was feeling. My son was the initial thing and

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everything is for my children. Basically,

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it all stems from trying to help them and then trying to help others.

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So at the moment, my big focus is with the super sensory squad and

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then conversations with an C and D mum and that advocacy part.

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But having those resources like my book, my child has exams now what?

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That's always there. There's courses and there's

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support there through a box full of joy that people can do.

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But the main focus is trying to put those kind of sensory regulation

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needs first, because actually looking at the pyramid of learning sensory

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needs and that sensory safety is even before that emotional needs.

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So actually the super sensory squad is that basis, which then will help

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with that emotional regulation, which will then be able to help

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kids actually engage in those cognitive things and learning.

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Because if kids aren't sensitive, if they are not regulated,

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sensory wise and emotionally wise, they're not going to be able to

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actually access learning in the classroom or anything else.

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I'm curious, because I know in your blog that you write a lot about

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improving children's resilience and that kind of awareness, as well

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of their specific kind of needs. Have you got any tips around

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that or any thoughts on that you'd like to share?

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I think for kids it's ensuring they feel safe and secure in an

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environment because if they don't feel the sense of safety,

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then they're not going to be able to build up that resilience, etc. I

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definitely do not agree with trying to put them in situations that are

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uncomfortable for them to build that. I think it's more about ensuring

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that their needs are met so that they can then access and they

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can live their daily life, etc.. So I think we start at the bottom.

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It's like a bottom up approach with building that resilience.

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First of all, meeting sensory needs, meeting emotional needs,

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and then they'll be able to access daily tasks.

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How could, as a parent, might I start to understand if my child experiences

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sensory processing differences? Different people have very

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different sensory profiles. And there are some things,

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for example, that are more apparent. Children who struggle with hair

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washing, hair brushing if they don't want to be hugged,

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all of those things may indicate that they are tactile sensitive.

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Others, like my son, he seeks that tactile and the proprioceptive,

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which is that like really push, pull and carry.

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Muscle feedback, tight hugs, weighted blankets,

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all of those things is what he loves. You may see a child that's quite

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rough with their play. They may not be able to.

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If they're seeking that proprioceptive input,

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you may see them do lots of wrestling or pushing around or

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just trying to jump into things. All of those things,

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they're seeking that input. Kids who find it tricky to sit still,

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for example, at dinner time, they may be seeking that movement,

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that vestibular input we've got rolling our penguin that has

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like a little hula hoop. So it's thinking about, okay,

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how can you help them to get that movement input, that vestibular

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input that they're seeking, but also be able to access daily tasks?

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There's some like wobble cushions that are helpful

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because then they get that movement while sitting there.

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For us, we have exercise bands on the bottom of chairs to get

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that proprioceptive and vestibular movement from that.

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So some might be seeking a lot of sensory input,

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some might be avoiding it. For example,

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if they come in when you're cooking, if they come into the room, they're

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like, oh, this stinks like a lot. Obviously people will say that,

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but it's if it's overly sensitive to smell noise in classrooms.

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A lot of background noise that may be too overwhelming for some kids.

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Everyone has sensory needs, but we don't all have the

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sensory processing differences. There's different ways our brains

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work and physical differences in how we interpret sensory input

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from the environment. If it impacts daily tasks and

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daily life, that's when it should be investigating how to

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best support them. Yeah, my family found that the

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super sensory squad is helpful in lots of ways.

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It's opened up discussion about our own unique preferences,

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and it's helped us relate better to one another.

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Actually, um, and it's helped my daughter understand her particular

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preferences and what overwhelms her when that tends to happen.

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It's really helped to discuss that with her school teachers,

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actually, which is great. And she's finally able to explain to

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them and us her sensory challenges and work with the teachers and us

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to find ways to help her put in place things that can support her,

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but help her to regulate as well. Could you tell us a little bit more

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about your super sensory squad and the the the materials that parents

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can access in in the course. Yeah, absolutely.

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So we really wanted that to part of helping parents understand.

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But also like with your daughter helping children understand for

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themselves because obviously depending on the age range,

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it's mainly for primary school and then lower secondary school age

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parents have watched it or people have watched it and be like, this

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is so helpful for me as an adult. So to be fair, the sensory Squad,

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I think is for everyone. And who doesn't love penguins?

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The people watching it, like you said, we listen and understand about

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ourselves and our own preferences. It's like a family thing.

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We have videos for parents about each of the eight sensory systems,

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and then we also have stories about each of the penguins going around

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sensory island and exploring the sensory school, or the joyful jungle,

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or different places. The stories generally about kind

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of them doing their daily life, then getting a bit dysregulated,

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then thinking, okay, what strategies can help to regulate again?

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And the squad, the rest of the Penguins help them.

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So that's the kind of the way that the stories go.

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And then there's also videos and workbooks for kids to understand.

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Each penguin has a key question so that we don't have to say to

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the kids, oh, you're seeking proprioceptive input

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because they'll be like, what? Flex is our penguin that links

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to the proprioception? And and her question, she's holding

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weights and her question is what can you push, pull and carry?

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So my son, for example, he's always ah, I'm carrying things like flex

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or I want to be like flex mummy. And so therefore we do those kind

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of push pull and carry exercises and or have those big deep pressure

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hugs and all of those things. So it helps equip kids.

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My kids are younger than your daughters,

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and my kids are five and eight. And even from when my daughter

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was four when we first started, she very quickly says, oh,

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I'm a bit like buzz or because she seeks that tactile input.

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But Solly, he's, um, around me because he always leads, even with

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food. He smells it first. Right? So he's got a really strong

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sense of smell. So sometimes smells do overwhelm him.

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They can pick and they can be like, oh, I'm like this penguin,

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or I'm a bit like this penguin, or I want to do this.

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So it's just a fun way to engage them in understanding about themselves.

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It's a big win, actually, when my son was really ill and which

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is not win, but he has epilepsy meds that he has to have twice he

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was able to tell me because we're learning about yum yum, which is

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talking about what can you taste. He was saying and I was saying,

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you've got taste buds and things like that in your mouth.

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He told me he wouldn't take his meds and he was like,

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my taste buds have changed. And I was like, that's amazing.

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He's telling me that it tastes different.

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His medicine tastes different because he's unwell.

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Then he would not have been able to even advocate for that.

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We had to give him his meds and unfortunately it was not.

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Not the best time, but it was really good to open that conversation up

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about his taste buds changing, so it was really useful.

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We also have be a strong sensory advocate.

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So that talks about what we've just finished that course and we've got

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another one starting in September, which is a live work through of

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sensory understanding regulation, but then also the advocacy piece

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to school. So thinking about how what are the

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rights that you have with send code of practice, the equalities

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laws and all of those things, and then creating a document to

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actually fill out to be like, this is my sensory needs.

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This is what regulates this is a classroom adjustment that you

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can make. And this is a success indicator

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of actually does that work. Does the classroom adjustment

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actually work. It may be about movement break,

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let's say. And then the success indicator is

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that actually you come back in the classroom, you're more regulated

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because actually if you're not more regulated after it,

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then it's not working to support those sensory needs.

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So it's using my teacher background as well as Kate's occupational

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therapy background combining. And also as a parent who's been

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fighting the system to get the support for my child, putting

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all of these things into place. So we have that as well as a digital

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membership where there's different strategies and resources to use.

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I think one of the things I love, the that's come out of doing the

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course, my daughter is, is that her school have recognised that she

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needed breaks sometimes and they, you know, she didn't want to draw

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attention to herself in class. So they've created break cards and

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she's designed them very much, I think, influenced by the super

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sensory penguins. Emily loves pandas a lot,

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so they now have what called panda cards at school.

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And they said that next year they're going to use them with the

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kids who need similar support. So that's amazing.

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So she's created these lovely designs.

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I really want to see the raising. Them yet myself.

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They're panda cards, apparently. And if a kid needs a break, they just

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pop one of the panda cards up in the air and the teacher excuses them.

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It's really nice to see the impact that that's having on a

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local school as well. I'm I'm curious about whether or

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not you have any sort of tips for maybe like using outdoor

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time to support children, to maybe express their feelings,

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or maybe begin to understand any sort of specific sensory preferences

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or needs? Yeah, definitely. Being out in nature is great.

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There's a lot of sensory exploration that you can do.

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My kids love being outside in the summer holidays when there's

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a lack of routine. Sometimes I always try and make

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sure that we get up and dressed and out to a park or the woods

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or somewhere, because then the day just starts really well.

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They're less bickering when they're outside and it's all, yeah, just

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runs a lot smoother for some kids. Obviously being outside won't

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necessarily be as regulating, but for my own ones it is very much.

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And there's a lot you can do just through a walk through a woods.

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You can be like, what can you feel? What can you smell,

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what can you hear? We do actually have a little

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scavenger hunt, like a nature scavenger hunt thing

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in the Learning Lounge membership that people can print off and just

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explore using all of your senses? Or can you push, pull and carry

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as you're going through? And often it's logs.

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I'm going to pull the log. I'm being like flex.

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Also, often, especially in some internal environments like the

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classroom, there's a lot of background noise is very intense.

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You're more if you're tactile, sensitive, being stuck in a

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smaller room with lots of people. It's tricky.

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So getting outside then is better because you have got that

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freedom to move. You've got less chance of being

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bumped into by lots of people. It's less crowded.

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So getting out into nature, into your routine in the summer

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holidays is going to be key. We've got a field nearby, so I'm

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just like, let them go like dogs just to run and just throw a ball.

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All of those things will get that input if they seek that.

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And also by exploring sounds, sights, smells in nature is so good.

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Yeah, absolutely. I think one of the things I love

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when my daughter is feeling like she just needs a little bit

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extra time before bed. Other families might think we're

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absolutely nuts, but we'll go out for a walk and we've done it

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live out in the countryside, so it's slightly different.

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We don't live in the inner city or anything like that, so So there's a

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little walk around the village and we look for bats or birds roosting in

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the trees and that kind of thing, and then we come back and

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usually it's only ten minutes. It's not a long walk,

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and it helps to just send to her and help her to relax and get

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into that headspace for bed, because that's one of her things,

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is that she just finds it really difficult to switch off.

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So getting to sleep is a real difficulty. Yeah.

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And for a lot of kids actually, who have sensory processing

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differences or autistic or sleep, getting that sleep and getting

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to sleep is really tricky. Often it's counterintuitive to

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get them to. So they say going for a walk is

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perfect. Um, and also, even if you've got

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cushions or jumping around on cushions getting any vestibular or

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proprioceptive input before bed, it sounds like, oh no,

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we should be doing breathing things. We should be doing all that.

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But actually for some kids, they need that rough and tumble just before you

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head up to do the bedtime routine, because that's regulating for them.

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So it depends on your own child, your child, and best as a parent

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because you see them and you know, you can understand.

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So actually, if they're not getting to sleep,

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rather than being like, let's do some deep breaths for some kids that is

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perfect and that works for them. But if it doesn't work for your

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child, actually go down the stairs, get the cushions off the sofa and

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pile cushions on top of them. Get them to jump off the sofa

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and jump onto the cushions. See if that works.

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Yeah, yeah, we've had pillow fights in the past.

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I've noticed that what she needs changes sometimes.

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And also she's got older. Her preferences have evolved as well.

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Do you have any further tips? Maybe calming helping support

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children's sensory needs at home? Yeah.

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So one good thing that I think the Super Central record feeds into is

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trying to get the kids to go with things and build their intrinsic

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motivation, because a lot of kids, if we put extra demands on them

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to be like, you must do this exercise to regulate yourself,

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they're not going to do it. They don't want that demand.

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So it's thinking, my kid loves doing puzzles.

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Let's say like my kids don't. But say your kid likes puzzles.

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And that's an activity that they intrinsically want to do.

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Think about how can you layer some extra sensory input into

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that activity? So build it around what they

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want to do. So for example, if you've got an

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exercise ball, an exercise balls or gym balls are really good,

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especially for rhythmic movement. Rhythmic movement back and forth

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is really regulating. There's some movement that can

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be more alerting, which you need at certain times of the day.

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But yeah, the rocking back and forth or even just lying on it,

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doing a puzzle. So lying on the floor over the ball,

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doing the puzzle that gives that proprioceptive input, that muscle

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feedback and a bit of vestibular. So it just builds extra sensory

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input for regulation into what they're already doing.

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So think about what does my child enjoy doing?

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And likewise if they like coloring and they're sitting a table,

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but they find it tricky to set the table, get them to even just

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lie on their front and do it. Because again, more of their body

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is touching the floor, so they're getting more of that muscle feedback.

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Or use the muscle bands on the chairs, just whatever they like to

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do, add in some extra sensory input and lead with them because you don't

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want to add extra demands, especially if they're dysregulated already.

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I'm curious to know about your Send conference that you've got

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on later this year, isn't it? Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

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I'm super passionate about everyone creating environments that enable

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our kids to be able to thrive and support and feel supported and safe.

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And that includes in children's activities.

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So after school clubs, sports clubs, craft clubs, team clubs, ensuring

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that we all get that understanding of how neurodivergent brains work and

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how sensory input impacts certain people and all of those things.

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So I'm running a conference for children's activity providers and

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tutors, the Adapt and Include Sand conference. It's going to be great.

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We've got so many experts, um, that are running workshops to talk

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about things like low demands, because we've got PDA expert,

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we've got creating understanding the neurodivergent Brain and how

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that then impacts your planning for your activity.

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We've also got Lou who is visually impaired herself.

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So we've got an interactive workshop with different glasses and different

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things, like doing different tasks and just getting your head around,

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how is this actually going to be this experience of my club going to be for

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certain kids who maybe have certain disabilities or neurodivergent?

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And it's just really thinking, how can I be more inclusive,

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thinking about how you present that in your marketing to parents?

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Because as a parent of a child who's autistic has epilepsy, I do not

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trust many people with my child. Um, if people don't understand why

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Solomon is responding in certain ways or understand his seizures, then

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I can't trust them with my child. So it's coming from that parent

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perspective as well as the teaching perspective.

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How can I help children's activities and tutors to just think about it?

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Just think, how can I make these little adaptations?

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It doesn't need to be big, but how can I build that trust

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with parents of kids with special educational needs disabilities?

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And how can I actually support these kids to feel safe and

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secure in my activity? Curious, what's next for you and

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the Super Sensory Squad and all your other businesses,

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and all the other ideas you have? Where will you go next?

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Yeah, the conference in November is a focus.

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And then from there thinking about training for children's

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activity Fridays for tutors. I would love to get into teacher

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training as well to do that, to really make sure from the start

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that all teachers fully understand how the neurodivergent brain

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works and how to make adaptations in the classroom as well.

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I'd love to change the education system there. So that's a dream.

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But yeah, season three of the podcast is starting again in September.

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We've got the conference in November, and then we are in talks with some

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kind of corporate organizations to try and just ensure that

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sensory needs are understood, and making the experience for

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families the best that it can be. Yeah, that sounds wonderful, I think.

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What I love about what you're trying to do is that if you look

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through your business websites, you're covering everything really.

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You're covering parents, home educators, teachers, thinking

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about the wider community with all of the different resources you have.

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Is there any particular freebies that you think people should go

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and look at? Yeah, we have one. From the understanding sensory

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Processing through stories. We have one of the parent videos

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on buzz our tactile touch penguin. So we've got like that,

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just a ten 15 minute video there, which is so useful.

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People have watched that and been like, oh yeah, I want to know

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more about the other senses. A lot of kids may have that tactile

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sensitivity, like with clothes, with brushing hair, etc. so go

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and have a watch that's free. We've also got some posters with

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the different penguin questions. So therefore you can introduce

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echo says what sounds can you hear just the basics of that as well

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on our website which is the super sensory squad. Com. Brilliant.

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Thank you so much for joining me Nicole.

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It's been a pleasure and good luck with Super Sensory Squad.

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