Tragedy- big or small, may occur in a business, but you have control over how to respond to that. You can strive while acquiring that joyful abundance in your business! 

We have Susan Erickson, our guest today. She has a bachelor of science in business and a master's degree in organizational leadership. She acknowledges that in medicine, facts must provide the basis for decisions, but wisdom and lived experience must be added in for the best outcome. She works with many different styles, personalities, ethnicities, religions, and backgrounds, always providing a safe space for the individual to cultivate their path and accomplish their goals. 

Tune in to this episode as Susan Erickson shares the limiting beliefs that can be preventing you from bringing the desired result for your business. Hear us discuss positive and effective ways to make valuable connections that can really open the door to some amazing collaborations. See how these can help you give your client what they need and want.

In this episode, Susan shared her must-read books..

Reality-Based Leadership by Cy Wakeman

Anti-Time Management by Richie Norton

Susan's Website: https://susanericksoncoaching.com/

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Email: SusaEricksoncoaching@gmail.com

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Joy, right in is if you are in a joyful abundance, mindset abundant state, then people want to work with you, right? They don't want to work with somebody who is negative, or angry or resistance or you know, they don't want to feel that way. So they don't want to collaborate with that. They want to collaborate with somebody who makes them feel good with something they feel they can achieve with somebody who is like minded is what you know, people say, I want to work with people who are like minded. And what that really means is they want to work with someone who makes them feel good, who feels, makes them feel valued and respected. And when you do that, that's the collaboration and it's just natural.

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Hello, everybody. And welcome back to the show, Chuck Anderson here. And I've got another amazing guest. And of course, we're talking about partnerships and collaborations and all sorts of other things that can help you on your journey to build your business and take your vision and get it out there in the world in a big, big way. And so we're always looking for, you know, what's next, what else could you be learning? What else could you be doing? And today's guest has lots to share, and I know will be very beneficial. So today, I'm very honored to have Susan Erickson with me today. Susan, welcome to the show.

Thank you, Chuck. It's very nice to be here. I'm very pleased to join that collaboration. I've been a collaborator all my life. And I think that's how we get things done. So thanks so much for that, for the invitation.

Awesome. Well, I know we're going to get along great. And it ties in really well with our theme. And you know, always a great place to start. And I know my audience is probably tired of hearing me saying this by now. But I don't like to butcher people's introductions. So that's why I don't ask a whole lot about that. So I'm gonna get I think let's start with you introduce you to our audience. Who are you? What do you do and let's, let's watch from there.

Okay, well, thanks so much for that. So Susan Erickson Oh, Susan Erickson coaching. I spent 30 plus years in corporate and leadership roles in healthcare, and then stepped out into the life coaching world. So went from corporate to entrepreneurial and all the changes that go along with that. But I'm a mindset of abundance coach and a leadership coach, I work with others. I work with leaders, I work with solopreneurs and small business, midsize business, in their businesses to have the best they can have to be the best they can be. When we talk about abundance, we often jump straight to financial Right? Which is absolutely a piece of that. But it's a piece of that we want abundance in all areas of our life. We want abundance, in our relationships, we want abundance in our spirituality and our health, physical health and mental health. We want abundance and all of that and we absolutely can have that. And so that's that's really weird i I strive for and when I help people when

That's really that's really great work. And so often as entrepreneurs, we we struggle Go with abundance, or even, you know, allowing things to manifest and to generate the way they're meant to. And allowing, because so much of it, especially action takers, like we got to create a result, we got to make this happen. We need this by June 30. Otherwise, you know, we're failures and all of this, and you know, that whole month in thing, and just really, things have to look a certain way. And, you know, it's a big, big struggle, we've had our own struggles with that. And we know many, many other people as well, where it's not so much about the business strategy that they're doing, or their business model, or their target audience, or this email or that website, or, you know, whatever. But so much of it is about our outlook, how we bring our mindset to it. And that, ultimately dictates our attitudes and our actions towards what we're doing to achieve our goals and bring our business out there into the world. So what are you noticing, like, with your clients? And how are you helping with that.

So that's a great point check. And I think, as you mentioned, we can have, it's, we all run into that we all bump into it at some point in our personal and our professional lives. And we can have all the processes in place that we want, right? And we need to, I'm not saying we don't, we need to have all the processes in place, we need to have our team together. But if we don't have the right mindset, we're only going to get so far right. And we're going to keep bumping into that. And so if you're struggling with that, I would encourage you and invite you to first consider what limiting beliefs do I have, that are preventing me from getting there, as you said, Maybe we have an abundance mindset of, you know, setting goals, but then holding on too tightly to the reins, right, holding on too tightly to that it has to go just my way and be just like this. And in the end that really is holding us back, as opposed to letting us achieve that abundance that the goals that we really have out there. So we can get in our own way. Sometimes, yes.

100% in and I remember, very early on one of my early mentors said, Look, you know, you're taking yourself out. It's not it's not, it's not the circumstances. It's your approach and your mindset to it. And at first, I was very angry about that. But then, you know, looking back now, it's like probably one of the best pieces of advice that I received and was a pivotal moment in my growth, where it's like, well, wait a minute, things aren't happening to me, I'm reacting to the things that are happening. And I could actually choose to react differently. Right?

Absolutely. And that's the one thing that is within your control, right. So in a situation, things happen in life, they do you know, disasters happen, or, you know, people come and go out of our lives and illnesses happen, all the things that sometimes happens to us, that feels totally out of our control. But what we always have control over is how we respond to that, what we do in response to whatever tragedy or large or small that has occurred, that, that we may be feel we are a victim of, or that we feel that we don't have any control over, we do have that we have the control over how we respond to that. And that makes so much difference in how everything else then responds, right. So if you think about in a, in a situation with another person, how you show up is going to dictate also how they show up, right? So if if you show up and you walk into a room and you're like really angry and stomping across the room, you don't have to see a single word for that other person to already take a stance and have a demeanor, right? Where if you walk into a room and you're calm, and you're smiling and you're happy, and you're happy to see this person, that's a whole different response you're gonna get from that person, right? Those are maybe really very different, you know, very drastic, opposite ways that you would approach a situation or another person, but they're going to they are examples of how you have control over how you're going to show up, which then is also going to dictate how that other person probably is going to show up or how they're going to respond to them. Because they may not stop and think about, oh, I have the ability to respond differently.

Well, especially if you're in a business meeting or you know if there's sales or any you know, persuasion involved. You know, if you walk into a room and the vibe is anger or resistance or there's something you know, something's not quite right Uh, you know, the walls are gonna go up, if they're not already, right, and so good luck getting through, I mean, your walls are up, their walls are up, I mean, good luck getting through and all. But if but you know, to your point if the energy is light, and it's happy and it's fun, you know, fun is a great you know diffuser of negative energy I find when you start having fun with someone, it really opens the door to having those collaboration conversations because your guard is down. And it's very enjoyable, just just even being around this person, and you're open to anything at that point, right.

And that, you know, joy, right in is if you are in a joyful abundance, mindset, abundant state, then people want to work with you, right, they don't want to work with somebody who is negative, or angry or resistance or, you know, they don't want to feel that way. So they don't want to collaborate with that. They want to collaborate with somebody who makes them feel good with something they feel they can achieve with somebody who's like minded is what you know, people say, I want to work with people who are like minded. And what that really means is they want to work with someone who makes them feel good, who feels makes them feel valued and respected. And when you do that, that's the collaboration and it's just natural. Right? So that's where it starts.

Yeah, for sure it does well, and then taking that a step further, really understanding that, you know, how we're behaving does affect the behavior of the person on the other side. Even as something as simple as outreach, you know, you know, when you're looking for a partner, or you're looking for someone to collaborate with, and how you're, how are you coming across when you contact them? And are you? Are you in it for yourself? Are you? Or are you giving? You know, what is that, and I think really paying attention to where their resistance might be. So if I email you and say, Susan, I just found you on LinkedIn, you're amazing, I would really love to get into a partnership or collaboration with you, you're probably gonna go like, whoa, who is this person? But, but if we're like, you know, I really, you know, I really liked this post that you said about this. You know, maybe it'd be great to have a conversation on my podcast, would you like to be on my show? Almost everybody says yes to that. And so it's giving rather than constantly trying to get. Yeah.

And I think, what you, you said about being really clear to write on what it is that your goals are. So you know, in your first example, you're like, Oh, I really like you on LinkedIn. And, okay, great, well, what was it? And how is it that we would collaborate? Are we even a good fit? You know, we're in your second example, you gave examples of what you liked, and what you do and where you're going. So we can see how we can collaborate. So I think being really clear on your own goals and ideas of where you want to go, and how you think you might collaborate, and how you think it's a good fit, is very helpful in those first steps of collaboration, if not, is so big and so broad, that people aren't gonna be able to attach to that, and they're not gonna be able to see how they can fit into that bigger picture.

You know, and we see it so much. It'll many, many of our audience members are coaches or consultants, or some types of service provider, and a very common way to sell those services is through a free consultation, or a free discovery call or whatever. And now, marketplace has become conditioned to certain types of marketing. And so now, when somebody says, Oh, I'd love to jump on a call and have a free consultation or a discovery call with you, instantly, what is the reaction on the other side, it's like, Oh, so you're trying to sell me into your program. And it's really important, I think, to really recognize how our asked and how our behavior is impacting the response on the other side. And while we think we're giving saying, Oh, I'm giving you this free consultation, but are you really, aren't you really just trying to get them as a client? And they know it, right. And so how could you shift that and become much more collaborative, or giving in a way where they want to talk to you and so we're always looking for ways to do that.

You know, I think you're so you're so right about that because those catchphrases, right? You know, the free consultation or whatever. Those are the things that people just come to, over time sort of, yeah, build up a wall. About that, Nate, as soon as those words come out, they become very resistant to that. Instead, I really prefer to just invite people, you know, I would love to have a conversation with you, if you'd like, you know, here's a link to my my schedule. Another way I do that is through through a quiz I have, which helps people to do if you're aware of disc at all the DIFC is based on that. But it's much broader than that. So communication styles. And you can just take the free quiz, which is really fun anyway. And if you're one of those people who like to do that, and just in the back, because it gives you the information, you can do what you want with it. If you'd like to have further discussion, there's a link, you can book with me, if not, no hard feelings, take a Go about your business. Because if you're not ready for that, and it doesn't mean we're not a good fit, but maybe it's not the right time for you. Right. And so that's fine. It's not, that's not, we have to be very careful. I think, as coaches as consultants, not to take that personally, right? It's not something I did wrong, it's not something that the person was not happy with me, it's either wasn't a good fit, or it wasn't the right time. That's all. And there's plenty more people out there. And there's plenty people who do want to collaborate or want to connect with you. And so maybe that person will later in some way, or some a different way, and that's fine. Whatever is meant to be will be?

Well, two things I want to say about the quiz before, or the survey before moving on. One is, you know, we love the idea of that. And if anybody is curious on taking Susan's survey, we will we'll make sure that it's linked here in the show notes, either beneath this video or in this podcast. So check that out. But the other thing is, is that you know, surveys and quizzes are highly collaborative, because it's not making any assumptions about who you are what, what you're deciding what you're thinking, it's really asking a question, and then a response. And then based upon that response, guiding to something that is a better fit for you based on those responses. So as a tool, I love that, is that what you're finding with yours?

Yeah, absolutely. And people do decide that that's what they want to do, right, we're already ahead of the game than who we meet, because I already know then how you like to communicate. So I use, for example, if you're a person who likes, numbers and data versus you're a people, person who likes people, then if you're a people person, you're going to want stories, and you're gonna want examples that way, where if you're a numbers driven person, data driven person, you want numbers and data, to support it to back it up. And so you can much quicker relate to that person and help them get to their goals. Because you're not already having to build so much more rapport, you already got established rapport and know how to best help that person get to their goals already.

Absolutely. Well, you know, we've already been kind of hinting at, you know, collaboration, and we've tied it into our conversation, you know, here and there. But you know, I just have to ask, ask this of all my guests, and I really want to hear, you know, what your thoughts are on this as but, you know, first of all, how is collaborating or partnering with others had an impact on your business, or maybe even your life? And you know, how they made a big difference for you?

Yes, well Chuck. As I mentioned earlier, I'm a collaborator, I always have been in all roles that I've always played big collaboration in the medical field, that world as a leader there that we brought together to some organizations, myself and another leader, to cover prenatal care for the underserved, they happen to be all fragmented. And as the leaders in two separate organizations, we brought those together, we brought it all together in one spot, that way, they had all the services they need. So they had a prenatal and the delivery, and then they could come back there for the medication. And for the babies, well check excetera and, and they had all the interpretive services they needed, versus having it split up in all these different places. And so and then in the coaching world, I really, when I first stepped into that about four years ago, I really miss having that collaboration, if you will. And so what I started about a year ago, the holistic Institute of wellness, which is a virtual group, virtual Facebook group, but also a membership group, where we all come together, and I say, kind of started for selfish reasons. Selfish because I wanted that collaboration. I wanted people that I could go to and talk with and have that Collaboration, and I want it for my clients, right? Because I know, I don't know it all, I can't know it all. And yet I knew there were other things that sometimes my clients needed and wanted. And I wanted to have reliable trusted partners that I can refer them to. So it really felt like it felt both of those roles. And it's some really coming up to the one year in August, it's going to be really exciting. And we had some fun stuff going on. Yeah.

So our audience, I mean, they hear us talk in every episode about okay, you need to look for partners, you need to look for collaborations and nothing really huge has ever done alone. And as a recovered or maybe still recovering do it yourselfer. Because, like you said, you've always been collaborative. Well, I wasn't I was I it, I had to hit my limitations and realize my limitations of okay, there's only so much you're going to do alone, you need to play nicely and work well with others. And that really opened the door to some really amazing collaborations. I didn't even know where it's possible. But it didn't all have to be me. And so now, when people hear us say this, it's like, okay, great, I get it. I, you know, maybe there's a piece of my business that I need to look for a partner or someone to collaborate with, that can make it so much easier, because this is a piece of my business or piece of my life that I'm struggling with. So I always like to ask, like, what's your go to source or, or method or strategy when when you identify a piece, a missing piece that you are trying to bring in? Where do you go looking first? What's it? What are your first steps with that?

Well, first I go to my team and my group, I do. Because again, I know I one person who has my circle, right? But in that circle, each person also has their own circle. And so that just builds that much more. So I go to those people first that are in my inner circle, and reach out to them and say, Hey, this is the idea I have. And I'd like to expand and grow on this, what are your thoughts, first of all, and I like to have people. So I always say when you're coaching people, making sure that we're on the right vibe, but when I build a team, I like my team to make sure that I have all of the different perspectives, if you will, right. So I love a very diverse team. Because, again, I don't know it all. And I can get very blindsided blind blinders on, right, because I see things my way has always been my way. And so I need other people to point out to me, a where things might or might not be the same as what I thought, to help me test the waters, and then to help bring in others that are going to fill in those spots where I'm not the strongest deck where I need that help in and help me to identify, oh, that is a strength that I didn't actually realize might even benefit might help in a situation. So all of those kinds of things are great to go to the team and have a team to help you with.

I love that answer, you know, go into the team go into the inner circle and just asking, Hey, does anybody know anyone who's good at this? Or does anybody have a solution for that? And you just never know what the answer is going to be? Unless you ask and, you know, we're in a world where you know, and I go to a lot of networking events, and there's always this joint venture directory are this list or that list or some organization that that is designed to help, you know, to facilitate partnerships and collaboration. But does it really need to be that you know, complex, can it just simply be having a good inner circle. So having a team is a form of collaboration in itself. So for all you solopreneurs out there who don't have a team, you might want to consider starting to build one. And, but also just your network, going out to your now I can't tell you how many times and maybe just because I'm more in the collaboration space now where but on LinkedIn, I'm, I have a lot of people that will when they're looking for something, they'll just put it out there and just say, Hey, does anybody knows someone who's good at this? Or does anybody have a solution for that? And I know that at any time, I can put that out there as well. And so when when I heard you say just go to your inner circle, your team and your inner circle, I mean, these are resources that I think many of us do have available to us and should be our first step and looking for what we need.

Yeah, networking collaboration can be as you said, it can be very formal and you can have, you know, there are those networking organizations and groups out there that that's just what they do, but it can be as simple as authentic and natural as just going to those closest to you, and getting that input. So it's wherever your comfort level lies.

Exactly. So great suggestion there. And I know that every time our audience hears that, it's helpful. And I really think it speaks to having a strong network and having strong connections, whether you have anything in common today or not. But you know, really expanding that. So that one day when you do have an ask, or you do want to put it out there to your inner circle, is, you know, the, the strength of your inner circle will really determine the quality of the answer you get back and the responsiveness. So participate both ways. Yeah,

Absolutely. And make sure that, as you said, that you're participating too, when people ask, you know, it's not always just that you're, you're asking what other people asked, make sure that you are also participating. Everybody likes to be asked their opinion, right? So I've never, as you said, never had anybody not, you know, turn you away, and people like to be asked, and they're very open and willing to share information usually that? No, I'm not talking confidential information, but information that's going to help the greater good. And so when we look at it from that perspective, I don't know Anyway, I really don't know anyone that would turn that away. So I think, and if they would, then they're not really part of my inner circle or part of my team. They're not, we're not on the same wavelength. And so that's okay. That's, but they're not somebody that I'm going to be going to in that case. So. Okay.

Absolutely. So we're shifting gears a little bit. Because we, you know, as we were discussing before, we have a bit of a personal development slash self growth component to our show, and, you know, just, you know, personal development and self growth have been, you know, a big part of my journey. And I always like to hear from others, where their biggest sources of inspiration and learning have come from. So, you know, a couple questions I have about that. The first question is, has there been a thought leader or a, I mean, I don't know if the right word is guru or mentor or someone who maybe you look up to or learn a lot from that, that you would recommend that others maybe check out and learn from as well?

Well, I consider myself a lifelong learner. I always love learning, I love reading and hearing new things, listening to new podcasts, all of that. And so I when you when I heard that question, it's like I have oh, yeah, like 10 of them come to mind, right. But for forever, I want Brene Brown and all of her books. I think she's her. Her way of looking at things and dealing with things is just spot on for almost everyone can can find something that they love in that Elizabeth Gilbert. I like her books a lot. Actually met her in an ashram in India one time, very embarrassed because I didn't recognize her when I first see I read many of her books. And then when you see somebody in person in I wasn't expecting it. So it was like, so that was interesting and embarrassing at the same time. And then I, you know, I'm really into the evidence base, as you say, right. And so there's Andrew Huberman has some podcasts, who's he's a neuroscientist through Stanford, who is really trying to bring science down to the level of the common language, right. And so he has a lot of people that he interviews as well on things like abundance and mindset and Alia Crum and her mindset, and how we overcome that, and how we apply it to our practical, everyday lives. And I think that's what's so important. All of those people and all of the way that they deal with things is not that it's just theory, but it's practical knowledge, and we can apply it and use it every day.

So many great lessons to be learned from from all of them. And, you know, I'm just putting it out there. I'd love to meet Brene Brown one day, maybe she could even be a guest on this show. Her stuff is absolutely amazing. And I love her, her backstory and the journey and just everything that she's written about. And you know, Elizabeth Gilbert is amazing as well. I've never met her but I've had the pleasure of working with people who worked with her and so that that in itself has been been, you know, amazing and great stories there. So I think those are I mean, fantastic people to follow, really, I mean, there's there's an and more to come, I'm sure from from the Um, and so, you know, building upon that, you know, one of the things that I always think about is, you know, the books and you know, those just happen to be book authors. But you know, books have been such a big part of my journey. And there's so much learning that is that is packed into books. And whether it be if your thing is reading books, or listening to audio books, or whatever it is, but there's so many good ones. So So I always like to ask if there was one book that you would recommend that everyone who's listening today goes out, gets a copy and reads, because it'll change their business or change our life, which book would you recommend?

Okay, I'm gonna say two, because, and it's not either one of these authors, because I think they're widely known. And you can find their books anywhere. But two small, quick read books that I think can really help you in your business is Reality-Based Leadership with by Cy, Wakeman, and Anti-Time Management by Richie Norton. And both of those, they're quick reads, but they have very practical ideas that you can put into, into your business, whether you're in a leadership position, or you're an entrepreneur. And while those are very different roles, that we, as I found out and need to address very differently, there's still a lot of crossover in the way that we work in those two worlds. And those, these theories can be applied to both of those things. So

Amazing. Well, we're going to make sure we put links to both of those books here in the show notes beneath this video. And in the podcast here. What's even more amazing to me is that in all the interviews that I've done, so far more well over 30. Now, I've asked this question of all my guests, and you know, we have not had the same answer twice. So now we've just expanded our learning library and our recommended reading list. So amazing, right? Imagine if we all just said the same book? Well, it'd be a very short list, and it'd be very clear recommendation. But so it's it's interesting how personal I think the recommendations are, and and they all resonate for different reasons.

And doesn't that just go to show your collaboration, right? Like, this is the prime example that 30 different, or however many different books have been listed? Because we don't know it all. We can't know it all. We are collaborating with others, and asking for thought differences to expand and grow our knowledge. And this is just a prime example of that, and what you're doing with creative collaboration. So thank you for that.

Yeah, thank you. And it's interesting, it just made me think of a social experiment, we will see how many of these interviews we can do until we get a duplicate answer on the book, and maybe we'll even start to keep a tally after that. And, like upvotes, or something like that used upon recommendation. I don't know. It's just a thought that came to me while you were saying that so. So Susan, thank you so much for that recommendation. And, you know, before we kind of like wrap things up here, you know, you've you've shared so many really cool ideas and thoughts about collaboration and even just, you know, ways that you help. And so, I always like to encourage our listeners, if you've resonated with anything that you've heard here today, I highly recommend that you reach out to Susan and connect with her and so Susan, that you want to share with everyone like Where can they reach you and, and where's the best place to start?

So my website, which is SusanEricksoncoaching.com, I'm also on Facebook, I'm on LinkedIn Alignable I have a clubhouse room every Monday which is Mindset Monday. So we start our week off in abundance. Join us there for conversation as well. Lots of things going on, but you can find them all listed in those places. And so yeah, I'd invite you to just check it out and be I'd love to meet new people. So thank you.

Fantastic and is your survey a good thing for them to go and do and do they get that at the website as well as their somewhere else where they can

That's on the Facebook page actually. So the Wholistic Institute of Wellness, wholistic being w h o l. So the whole person the whole being, and that is available there as well. And that will link you to me also. You can also just reach out to me and SusanEricksoncoaching.com or SusanEricksoncoaching@gmail.com and I'll be happy to hook you up with that as well and have a further cover. If you want to have a coffee chat. You can do that or you can just take the quiz So yeah, there's lots of fun.

Wonderful. Well, please do that. If anything that Susan has said has has resonated with you today. And I know that it has for some of you. So go ahead and connect with Susan. Right now. Just the links are there, what are you waiting for go do that. And you know, Susan, to you, thank you so much for being my guest and spending this time with me and sharing your stories and your ideas and your tips, which has been wonderful. And so if you were to, as we sign off here, if you were to leave our audience with just one final word of wisdom or tip, what would you say to them?

Go for it, do it, you know, step out, whatever it is, don't let fear hold you back. Don't let it get in your way. And we say we still need to do our due diligence. I've never seen anybody just you know, jump off the ledge and not take your due diligence first and make sure your rope is tied or whatever, but but go for it. Don't you know, don't let that get in your way. Don't let that stop you don't let what others think or what might happen all of those things. Because your most abundant life is waiting for you.

Very, very well said, Susan, thank you so much. And to our listeners, thank you as well. Please do connect with Susan. And also make sure that you tune in for our next amazing episode. And in the meantime, keep moving forward and never ever, ever give up on the pursuit of your dream and taking your big mission out there into the world. We all desperately need it. And until then, we will see you on the next one. Thank you.

Thank you so much Chuck.