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Barcelona Cyber Security Congress, AI scalability, industry innovation, Angeley Mullins, technology advancements, human connection, critical thinking, AI tools, leadership, social media impact, healthcare advancements, educational evolution, AI consolidation, workforce transformation, strategic planning.

00:00

All right, before we get into the conversation, I want you to be aware of a conference that you need to put on your calendar, and you have time. It is the Barcelona Cyber Security Congress. It is necessary. You need to up your cybersecurity game. You're connected, you need to make sure that you're protected. Right here, this event, Barcelona Cybersecurity Congress. It is November 3 through the.. you have time, November 3 through the fifth this year in Barcelona. And I'm telling you right now, the team at Farah who put this particular Congress on the best. You will not be disappointed, and you know what else you get to do. You get to network with some of the best cybersecurity professionals from around the world. You need to do this. You need to put this one on your calendar. All of the contact, all of the information is out on Industrial Talk. I'm going to be there, I'm going to be broadcasting, I'm going to be talking cybersecurity with the best in the world, so be there. Put this one on your calendar, that is November 3 through the fifth. I'll see you there.

01:16

Welcome to the Industrial Talk podcast with Scott Mackenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting-edge industry-focused innovations and trends, while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So, put on your hard hat, grab your work boots, and let's go. All right,

01:34

once again, welcome to Industrial Talk. Thank you very much for joining the number one Industrial Related podcast in a universe that celebrates you industry professionals all around the world. Yes, you are bold, brave, you dare greatly, you innovate, you collaborate, you're solving problems each and every day. That's why we celebrate you on Industrial Talk. We have a great conversation. I'm sitting here and I got, I've got my notebook right here, and I said, and I just keep on scribbling questions, and what makes this conversation that you will be hearing is that it's just rich, just full of information. Angeley Mullins in the hot seat all the way from Germany, from San Diego, and we're talking, talking technology, we're talking about how to leverage it, and just like anything else that on industrial talk it's hard for me to stay focused, because everything's just like, yeah, yeah, what about this? What about that, Angeley? Let's get cracking. Yeah, I.. I need to be more disciplined. Maybe I doubt that. No, I don't want to be. I want.. I think what you do and what we do. well, not me, but what you do is real important. It just is. We're living through a time, we're living through this time that is just absolutely happening and happening fast, and it's exciting, and it's, and it's so important, and you get people like Angeley, who's just right in the thick of it, just she's right there in the trenches, and she's talking to people, she's interacting with organizations, she's she's getting the latest and greatest. You have no idea, I guarantee you that I, me, Scott need to do a better job at communicating how fast this world is moving. Specifically, in the world of industry, there are so much out there, and there are so many individuals that are talking about solutions that are talking about how to be more efficient. The market is demanding that, and of course, and we're at a point where the technology is just my goodness, it's an amazing time. I just got off the video, like whatever we're doing here, just got off the video with a dear friend, Beverly Ryder, you know what I was doing. If I had hair, and we were talking, shoot, my hair was just, would be flapping in the wind. She, it's amazing. You gotta buckle in. She's sharing, just like Angeley sharing what is really happening out there in the marketplace. It's, it's amazing. Yeah, I'm all.. you could tell I've had a few cup of coffees, cups of coffee. Flip that around, and I'm feeling pretty dug gun energetic right now. You can tell, all right. Again, here's, here's. I, not I stepped off of one soapbox. Now I'm stepping on another soapbox. Here's my beef with industry. It's where we need to go. We need to tell your story better. You need to tell your story better. Industrial talk is here to help with that, you need to say, you need to succeed. You can't succeed if people don't know who you are, or what you do, or whatever. I mean, that's a, that's a conversation, communication, and you need to do it consistently. You know, do one and done, and think that I've done my thing, no. No, industry's moving fast. You need to keep on telling that story. Industrial talk is here. We've got some great strategic plans happening for this platform, and it is around disruption. It's around being able to help you succeed. It is you need to go out to industrial talk, and you're saying, "Scott, I want to know more. Go out to industrial talk, it's work in progress. We're pretty, we're pretty hopped up on goofballs right now, being able to sort of express that desire to be able to tell the story of industry, you need to succeed. It's a non-negotiable. And I'm telling you right now, if you're not buckled in, and if you're not committed, and if you're not moving forward, and if you're not telling your story, somebody is, and somebody will pass you up. And we don't want that. There, Angeley Mullins got her stat card out there, founder, CEO, Aetheris Ventures, right there.

06:47

Anyway, it went everywhere, but primarily around AI, and, and just sort of, how that is from a human perspective, you gotta listen to it, and of course I'm all up and down and all over the place, and she's very professional and very calm, not like me, which I'm just all over the place. All right, enjoy the conversation. Angeley, welcome to Industrial Talk. Thank you very much for finding time in your busy schedule all the way from Europe to talk to industrial talk listeners. How are you doing today?

07:26

Really good. Great to be here, Scott.

07:28

Great to have you on the podcast, as, as always. But we were talking, listeners, we were.. she's from San Diego, but she lives in, what, Berlin?

07:39

That's right,

07:40

yeah. She's a global traveler. She's, she's got mad insights, and I'm looking forward to this conversation. Before we do get in the conversation, Angeley, you need to sort of level set for the listeners of who you are and why you're such an incredible professional. Lay it on us,

07:58

all right. So, for all the listeners, I am Angeley Mullins, originally from the States, Sunny San Diego, California, but I've lived and worked all across the world. 20 years in go to market, I've scaled three big tech companies: Amazon, GoDaddy, and Intuit, and a bunch of other scale-ups. I'm on my eighth company, scaling, and I have done everything from pre-seed seed all the way through to IPO one unicorn and one IPO, and I've seen it all. I have been Chief Marketing Officer, Chief Growth Officer, Chief Commercial Officer, Chief Revenue Officer. All the chiefs have been in the board meetings, have seen the good, bad, the ugly, and everything in between. And I am looking forward to talking about it today with you, Scott,

08:41

I have to ask, what do you mean by scaling? You popped out a couple of companies that are really.. I don't understand, what do you mean by scaling? What do you.. how are you organizationally, financially,

08:55

revenue? The magic word that everyone wants to hear. So, it's that magic question, on you know, early stage companies. How do you get from one to 10 million, or growth stage companies? How do you get, you know, 10 to 50 to 100 And then, you know, you have the IPO stories, but it's basically two separate areas. How do you find product market fit, and that's in the early stage companies? And then, how do you scale that product market fit, that's growth stage, and then how do you make you know the huge IPO story, so those are basically the three very basic stages of scaling.

09:26

General, how do you, you know, for for that listener out there, give us a sort of a sort of skirt. How do you, how do you do that? How do you, how do you take it each case? Yeah, each case is, but can we sort of make it sort of level set on what that scaling looks like, like, yeah,

09:46

like I mean, my first role in tech was at Amazon, I did the go-to market for the international expansion division and program called Amazon Global, we took it literally from zero to 1 billion USD top line, and we did. That in 18 months, yes, we had the power of Amazon behind us, but we did it with a team of about, if I recall, like seven people, quite tiny, but also within the Amazon methodology. Yeah, they have that, that if you've read the book, Jeff Bezos, you know his methodology, he has this like pizza team, you know, kind of model where they don't want teams that are bigger than it takes two large pizzas to feed, anyway. The whole idea is they want very small, nimble teams, but when you have this hybrid structure in Amazon, you can do that. Not every scaling story is like that. So, I've taken other startups, you know, one to 10, this kind of thing, GoDaddy, we IPOed that company, yeah, lots of different use cases,

10:43

it never changes. I am always fascinated. I think personally, just FYI, I think what you're touching upon, that scalability, I think in the world of industry, I think that's critical, and I think many companies, many struggle with that. I just.. it's.. it.. I don't know. It just seems like that we struggle with that. And I know back, my background.. I'm always looking for, you know, it takes money. How do you do that? How's the strategy? You got to do it, or you feel like you're just, you know, in the trenches, and I don't know, it's.. I just think industry needs to know more about that,

11:26

you know, it's a lot of wins, but also a lot of failures, and I think there's a cultural difference, and it's really interesting that now I'm in Berlin, you know, Americans, so for the Americans that are listening to this, the one thing that I like is that we fail quickly and we understand our failures, and we try to learn, we try to move on. Yeah, absolutely. But here in Germany, where I'm at, they have a cultural thing of, you know, they don't want to be wrong, they can't make a mistake, they don't blame and shame, and you know all of that. And so what happens is they just drag everything out into there's a term for it, sunk in cost fallacy, right, that they just double down on something just because they don't want to be wrong, instead of just cutting your losses and admitting that something didn't work. So, there's some cultural things at play,

12:14

but I still think that industry in general is like that, very, very risk adverse in a sense, that yeah, do I do this? Do I, you know, and again, I think what you're dealing with is people don't like to be wrong, but as an example, which is quite nice, is when you look at SpaceX, and if they didn't, they failed, they redid it, they failed, they just kept on going, and they did it fast, and

12:42

now it's like a trillion dollar, or whatever, you know, IPO. It's in crazy towns. So, and if you saw the Netflix documentary, I think they were like on the verge of bankruptcy the night before with the money coming in, and, like, you know, most European companies that I know probably wouldn't be able to go through that kind of, you know, roller coaster because they want to some kind of guaranteed outcome or return, but I have to say, though, that, you know, even though you have these unicorn stories and these, you know, one shot stories, the majority of scale ups, I always equate it to restaurants, 90% of restaurants fail, and so do 90% of startups, right? And you're only hearing about these golden eggs out there, and there's a lot of startups, you know, the graveyard of startups could fill up some landfills there.

13:34

Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. All right, let's get into the topic. Okay, so I'm traveling, I'm broadcasting, I'm doing things, and I'm having conversations, I'm in industry, and, and without a doubt, and, and you know, the little small voice in the back of my head saying, AI, well, well, huge, huge conversation. Talk to us a little bit about,

14:04

okay? Just kind of rapid fire, is AI here to stay? Yes. Is AI going to change the landscape of how we live, work, everything? Absolutely. Is there going to be some amazing advancements in healthcare from AI that I'm very much looking forward to? Absolutely. On the flip side, is AI in a bubble. Yes. Will there be what we call the AI apocalypse? Yes. Do I equate it to the.com days when everything was.com and then there was the consolidation? Yes. So again, there's two sides of this coin. There's a lot of people, and especially in the tech industry, have you noticed in the last year, year and a half, everything's AI now, and it's like it's like a game. How many times can you say the word AI in a single

14:45

hashtag AI all the time, just because, well, I have to

14:49

exactly. And everything you know in tech, if you actually took all the companies that claim their AI, you could probably triage them into different areas. Number one, those that are actually AI, maybe. 20 30% then you have a big chunk in the middle that are we call AI powered, AI enabled, and then you have the very small percentage, maybe 10 of them, and I forget there was a company, I don't know if it was an American company, they claim to be AI, and then, like, I don't know if there was a check and investigation, whatever was done, but it was like a bunch of people in India, you know, like doing all the work in the back, and it wasn't AI at all, like, so either way, I think what's happening is that again, AI is here to stay. We are in what's called the fourth technological wave, or revolution, so we had the industrial one, now we're in this tech one, and it will fundamentally change the way we live, the way we work. If you listen to Elon Musk, and I don't know if it was at the World Economic Forum, or where he spoke, but he said something to the effect of, in the next 10 years, and I guess the number of years is debatable, but he says in the next 10 years people will no longer work.

15:58

Yeah, I heard this

15:59

16:13

Yeah, I was going to say one define work, it has changed, there's going to, there's going to be some movement, some interaction, some commerce. I mean, I don't think that we're ever going to get rid of the necessity for chairs. Somebody's got to make them things like that. I agree. Robots

16:36

serving coffee now. I mean, you've got, you know, if you go to China, they have drones delivering your coffee in the middle of the park, like you know, you can take what's the car that self drives in San Francisco. Yeah, so no, I haven't. So I need to do it, but

16:55

standing,

16:56

yeah, you know, and so this is the thing, like the pace of technology and the pace that things are going to change in our universe, the human universe is going to change so fast, right? So

17:12

I don't, I don't know how I don't. I'll give you a case in point. So I was broadcasting from Barcelona, and we were talking about setting guard rails. This was years seven years ago, eight years ago. Guard rails around AI, just whatever that looks like. It's a bunch of, you know, big thinking individuals in a room, you know, coming up with verbiage and putting it into a document, right? And it's like, wow, that's pretty cool, that's incredible, right? But then it all of a sudden happened, it, that, that, and then the guard rails, it, you know, just like the market, it happened so fast, couldn't keep up. I agree with you. I don't know how one keeps up, I just don't,

17:56

not going to be able to, and I, I'm not sure if it was Sam Altman, but somebody was saying that, you know, a few years ago AI was like an elementary school kid and a high school kid, you know, now they say it's like a PhD student, so you know it's going to get to a pace where it's going to outpace humans, and if Elon Musk has his way, he's got this Neuralink program, right, where you have the chip with the with the brain, and once that connection is solidified, chip and brain, then we're in a whole new universe, right? And then all the stuff that you see from that Black Mirror Tally show, that's when all that starts to happen, but you know, not to, not to scare all the listeners here, but just to say that we are coming into great advancement in technology, advancement that we haven't seen before, at a pace, at a speed that we haven't seen before, which opens up great opportunities. So, like I said, healthcare, et cetera, but we as humans don't have the best track record of using technological advances for the good of humanity. Usually, you know, humans have a little called speed bumps, and then they try to self-correct.

19:14

Yeah, I think the next shoe to drop.. I don't know when I was having this conversation with somebody is, and I think it's going to be a switch, somebody's going to crack the code, somebody's out there trying to crack the code, and that's quantum computing, and that is the ability to, you know, to do it even faster, and that to me is going to just blow people's minds, and I, and do you think Angeley, that that I think there's go, there's going to be a greater hunger for real human interaction, 100%

19:52

10%

19:54

I just think there will be,

19:55

yeah, you know, I say that human authenticity will become the new. Luxury will become the new premium we're in and I come from more of the marketing, go to market side, but you know, in marketing land, you know, ads are everywhere and people are getting bombarded with AI generated ads, you have AI agents, AI workflows that are, you know, and when you're bombarded with all of this, you just want to talk to a human being, and so for those listeners, have you ever called into a hotline or customer service line, and you know it's an AI bot, right? And you just keep pressing zero, you're like, I just want to talk to a human. This will become the luxury, so watch, you heard it here first, that this is coming.

20:35

No, I agree with you 100% I just, I'm looking at myself, I'm just my little market. I'm not a bigger market, I'm just a little market. I see it. I don't engage. Why would I want to engage? I'm not. I'm not interested. What I do sometimes when I use just a little AI tool, right? The ones that are out there, I still say, please provide me, I'm being nice and kind, and I agree with you 100% I agree with you 100% and conversations like this, I'm going to throw something out at you. There is, I believe I could be completely wrong, I'm Scott Mackenzie over here in this little studio, I believe there's will be a like a AI will be starving for data, and the reason is it's sort of eating itself, like nobody, and it's just came to my mind because I'm writing an email and then I'm thinking, God, that's an awful email. Let me stick it over here. All right, that's great. And I realized quickly, I said that part of my brain is going to die. This conversation we're having, it can't be AI. So AI goes out and looks for information, large language model, whatever, and pulls it back, but if it's just eating itself, then it's all just the same stuff.

22:05

Well, here's a different way to look at it. So, how do I say this? People that use Instagram, people that use TikTok, or even the old school Facebook, you know, platform, people used to think that that was the product, right? No, you are the product. You are the product. It is data mining you, which is kind of actually just a small little tangent that people get so worried over privacy and securities concerns when they're marking, they're pin dropping their locations on these social media platforms, they're uploading every single thing and tagging every single person, trust and believe that people know where you are and what you're doing when you're uploading every second of your day, you know, to these platforms, but I say AI will go to social media, it already has, you know, to mine and humans, like we have become the product, and I think people don't understand that, if you remember the congressional hearings when Zuckerberg was there and they were trying to explain how Facebook made six money and Zuckerberg was like, we do ads, like that's how we make our money, and I think people don't understand that, they think, for example, Google is another example, you know, they think it's just a search bar, and I'm like, no, Google is an advertisement company. Wake up, people. You know they sell ads because they data mine you. You are the product,

23:28

so true. And once you get past that, well, everything's fine. Yeah, but, but you can sit there and agonize over the reality. It's only going to get even more advanced and more

23:41

24:08

No,

24:09

mental health support,

24:11

really

24:13

25:17

I was getting ready to ask that question, and here's, here's, and again, small market. Scott Mackenzie, do I.. do I.. this is me. Do I go out to Google, and then I say, "Hey, give me a.. and ask Google something. I don't know,

25:33

not anymore. You're just going to go to your GPTs. Yeah,

25:37

there it is. And I do it all the time. I rarely, I know, show me pictures. Okay,

25:45

this is where I say, like, you know, you asked me about AI, and I say it's going to be like the.com you know, situation in the 90s. Everything is just going to consolidate, like when I gave presentations to founders and CEOs, I show them a slide, and I have all the different AI tools for all different stuff, and I basically say, how many tools do you need, right? Like, how many? And so I think people had this gold rush mentality. It's just like, find this new thing, and it's sprouting up, you know, out of everywhere. Yeah, we go through what I call the great consolidation,

26:14

yeah,

26:14

right. And it will consolidate down, I think. You know, obviously, Anthropic is, uh, you know, a front runner, but also don't don't underestimate Google with Gemini, and how its integrated system, you know, really will lead. We'll see where Chat GPT goes, but it's really going to start consolidating down, and it's going to be quite interesting to see, you know, where that takes

26:37

us. Do you think that just in general, I mean, they're there, there are companies that are quite advanced that they are using the tools that are available to be able to draw conclusions and tactical strategies, whatever it is, they're using it in a way that really harvests information and insights. Okay, I got those, but the vast majority of people are, hey, well, How close is this hotel to this place? And it works,

27:10

I mean, actually, Claude will do your whole vacation travel planning, and actually does it quite well. So I will say it's a thing, it's the same thing that's typing it into Google, right? Like people use Google Maps and turn right turn left, and all that. You made a point earlier, though, about the brain cognitivity, and I think it's important. I think everyone - they did a - I forget what university or whoever did the research on your brain activity, right, using the GPT. Your brain activity absolutely decreases, and critical thinking, so just like I said, human human connection, like we're doing now, that will become the new premium, but also what will happen is critical thinking will literally become the one of the best skills you can have, and the scary thing is, you and I grew up before AI. Think about the kids that are going through their journeys now. The kids that are growing up with AI, they're not going to learn how to think the same way that Gen Z - I've got my generations right - Gen Z, you know, they don't know how to write anymore, like with their hand, they can't write with a pen, they can only type, and you know, yeah,

28:28

but to see it to your point, and I agree with you 100% it was happening to me, I, I started just pencil whipping emails, and I was like, and, and if you, if I'd send it the way it was originally crafted, of course. It would be just an absolute abomination, but all I was just doing is giving some sort of thoughts, and this and that, and then I stick it in there, and lo and behold, and then I quickly realized that if I keep on going down this road, I won't have any ability if I can't wait down this road and not have this conversation and put myself out there and feel that uncomfortable feeling and stutter here and say I'm there, then you know there, that's a problem, that's a, that's the human problem.

29:18

So it's actually very ironic when I tell founders, CEOs, you know, leaders and companies, when they ask me, How do I become a better AI leader? The ironic answer is, as I tell them, put your phone down, put your computer down, right, and start critically thinking. You know, back in the day, you used to have to sit in a room with your peers and used to actually think your way, you know, through the problem,

29:41

yeah.

29:42

What I tell people is an AI tool is not a strategy. I'll say it again, an AI tool is not a strategy, it's a tool. You have to create the strategy, that's how you become the best in your field, whatever it is that you're doing, right? You have to think

29:58

it, and that. Is challenging, and it makes it harder, and we as humans want to be lazier. We want comfort. We want to just sort of.. I always call.. what was it called? I rail against comfort. I'll move on. Here's the deal. I think companies, companies that can communicate from a human perspective, whatever that is, whatever, whatever, I believe to tell their story from that perspective succeed. I think companies that don't, I think, will really

30:36

die. I've never heard of them, like it's really like that,

30:39

correct?

30:40

I always go back to Tony Robbins, so I think probably all the listeners know Tony Robbins, and he always said people don't buy what you sell, people believe what you believe,

30:52

exactly.

30:52

Yeah, and they want to know you, they do, they want to know that you're real. The word that I was looking for is narrowing, so here's the, here's the example. I work out daily. Okay, there it is. Scott Mackenzie working out daily. I push myself. Great, there are some days that I don't want to work out. It's all in here, it's in my head. I know that if I don't continuously move forward, continuously push myself. I will, I will narrow, and I will not. I will become lazy. I believe narrowing mentally, physically, all of the stuff that's happened in industry. I think that's that's that's the risk that I see. You just become less of a person.

31:42

Yeah, I'm really worried about, look, I'm very excited. On one hand, where AI will take us, and, like I said, you know, the healthcare piece, you have robots now that are doing surgeries, you know, they're able to do scanning. I'm really excited about, you know, that part of it. I'm excited about the learnings that we can have, but I'm also very worried about the human condition.

32:06

Yes,

32:06

and what that will do to us, and what it will do to the children. And you know, anyone that's listening to this episode that has small kids, you know, five years old and younger, get your kids off of the tablets, get your kids off of the telly screens, off of the mobile phones, etc. And if your kid is just staring at a screen all day, you're not doing your job.

32:31

Yeah,

32:32

you know, let them actually play with their hands, you know, get their hands on some Legos, put things together, you know, get them outside, just make sure, because in those early years, right, is so important for their, their brain function. Also, you know, there's people that are, you know, obviously more I would say educated in this area than I am, but children developing need the social connection.

33:01

Yeah,

33:01

and if you lock them in a room all day, or they're on a screen, they're not getting that social connection. And I think what all of us learned, all of us adults learned, is with social media, we thought it would connect us. No, it did not. It kept us more separate.

33:16

Yeah, we're lonelier, we're just absolutely lonely. I believe. I believe in, and you're bringing up some good points again. The tools that technology in general, the speed at which it's happening, it's happening whether we like it or not. I believe the real battle is in that leadership, in that ability to be able to say, yeah, I get it, and and rationally think through it, and say those are all great, but really I'm over here, and I need to do this too, as well. And that's the

33:47

one mistake -

33:48

balance.

33:49

Yeah, that's the mistake that a lot in the technology industry, a lot of leaders make. Leaders think that their job is to select the right tech stack, and there are a lot of consultants out there making a lot of money hawking tech stacks.

34:04

Yes, the

34:04

leader's job is to actually think, that's why they pay you the big bucks, right? To think, and to, you know, one of the things that I've seen, and this is actually has nothing to do with early stage, late stage growth, it doesn't matter, they don't teach leaders anymore how to put teams together.

34:26

Yeah,

34:27

they don't, you know, they just say, okay, you're the best, best product person, engineer, marketer, you know, whichever, and throw them in a room, and you know, magic's just supposed to happen. They don't teach leaders how to form teams anymore.

34:40

Yeah, no, you're, you're spot on, you're hitting on all cylinders. I think that when I was hiring, I would always hire the heart, I could always train to whatever is necessary, whatever the gap is, what, whatever I'm trying to, which I believe if you don't have the right heart in place, then. Then we have a problem building the team, but that's just me, that's small scale, but I agree with you 100% you can always, that that individual is all dialed in, good heart, passionate, whatever you can train, and I'll get it, and they'll do a great job, you know, I, that's an interesting time. What always gets me is, is just, again, I've been talking a lot about it, is technology, and it's, it's just, how do individuals keep up? I, me personally, I find myself sort of in.. I got it. I feel comfortable right here. I know I do, and I'm missing out on all the other stuff. I don't know how companies are nimble enough. I don't see how our education system is even begin to be nimble enough to be.. it's not,

35:58

37:02

It's so above my pay grade. I see it, I feel it. It's exciting, right? I wish I was younger to be able to sort of, you know, ride this whatever wave, but I just. are we nimble enough, and I just..

37:22

I don't know. I think

37:24

I just don't.. we

37:25

don't.. I think it's.. it's nimbleness, but it's again.. it's also critical thinking, and you can't have critical thinking unless you knew what it was like beforehand.

37:34

Yeah, see.. yeah..

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so I think we need to take a page out of Japan's book in the way that they value the what I'll call elderly and older set of their populations, they value those people for their experience, and I think in the United States it's the opposite, it's just you have to be the youngest person, everything has to be brand new, and exactly, it's not just imagine 20 years from now when you have a person that was born now or five years ago, they don't know what it was like before the mobile phone, they don't know what it was like before AI, so how can they level set right, so I think that one of the things that we should be doing is collecting the knowledge of the generations that have come before us, right, and making sure, like, if you, if I were to put together an AI council, I would have people of all ages, I would have people of all backgrounds.

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Yes,

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so I agree with you 100% I, I, for me, I'm sort of in a unique position, because I always like hearing from young people. Want to hear what you have to say? What, what's what's on your mind? I, I believe culturally here in the United States, it might be other parts of the country, not in Japan, whatever, everybody pursues retirement. I think I don't like that. I don't want to retire. I think too much. And then they get put out over here in the pasture, they're put over there. Yeah,

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it's ridiculous.

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They shut down. What, what, what reason do the, do the individual who are, you know, my dad retired, and and he shrunk, he narrowed, and I thought, God, that's not, that's not cool. I don't want that.

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That's not what we should be doing. We should actually be expanding. And you know, people are going to live longer, so this is one of the things that technology is going to do for us. People are going to live longer, and if that Brian Johnson guy, that longevity guy, you know, has his way, I mean, that guy, you know, he's, you know, biohacking his way through life,

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yeah,

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it,

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that's pretty miserable, quite frankly, just FYI, you can buy a hack, all after a while you want a martini.

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Yeah, I agree, but I think technology, I mean, you know, back in the days, at least in the United States, social security started at 65 because they didn't think people were gonna live past that

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age,

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and you know, now you've got people in their 80s and 90s, and I do think we're going to get to a time when passing 100 years is going to be a thing. Now the idea is to do it in a healthful manner, so you can, you know, do things, but we are coming to that state and really having a 360 degree view on enabling the population to be its happiest, most productive, socially connected, because I think you know we need to remember what makes us human, it's that social connection, and the one thing that technology has done, and I'm in the tech industry, so you know, I fully admit this, but the tech industry has done a phenomenal job of separating people. We have a loneliness epidemic in both genders, you know, and kids, you know, coming out of the COVID era. And then the smaller kids, now you know, they're not even learning social skills, and I think that they think that their avatar, you know, or whatever they have on their video games is a real thing, and they just don't know the difference.

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Yeah, no, see, but, but as we wrap this up, I believe AI technology, it's all.. if I, if I, if I look at it specifically from a tool perspective, it's part of.. I've got all of these things available, it's a tool. AI is a tool. I will never get away from that human component, and I agree. If I'm a leader, you better be sort of.. you're out there in the human, your face, not some sort of AI. Start telling your story, that's how I look at it. I just.. I don't see any other way to get around it. How do people get ahold of you? They're saying she's..

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oh, wow. So, LinkedIn, I'm very much a LinkedIn person. So, LinkedIn, Angeline Mullins. You can also find me on Instagram, Angeline Mullins. I have Substack that I actually need to write some more articles, because there's a lot to say, but you can find me on Substack, and I also have my website, angelines.org

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It'll all be out there on Industrial Talk. You were great. I really enjoyed this conversation. There's a lot more.

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Oh, yeah,

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there's a ton, and again, I get all giddy, and I get all excited, then I get all concerned, and then I realized I don't have, you know, the pay grade, it's way over my head sometimes, but it's exciting, I think it's, I think it's, it's exciting, it's

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exciting times for sure. All

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right, you're absolutely wonderful. Thank you very much. Being on Industrial Talk, we're gonna wrap it up on the other side, we're going to have all the contact information for Angeley out on Industrial Talk. So, fear not, reach out. This is a must connect. Stay tuned. We will be right back.

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How about that for a conversation. Don't come to me and say things are not happening in industry. I was just at Octave Octave Live Technology Charpent Technology, figuring out how to leverage technology for your success. We need more Angeles out there telling that story, painting that picture. What does that future look like? I'm telling you right now, it's an exciting time. I'm just all happy. Yeah, I wish I was younger, wish I had hair, wish I had a lot of things, hairpin, one of them, anyway. Angeley, all her contact information, as always, is out on industrial talk. You should be able to get a hold of her with no problem. All right, there, that card. All right, again, we need a platform. Yes, I did say that. If you're out on video, I just sort of backed up. We need a platform, we need an industrial platform, we need an industrial platform that tells your story. What does it exist? Yes, industrial talk. Go out to industrial talk, reach out to me. Let's tell your story. You need to tell your story. You need to be able to do that effectively. Industrial Talk has it all. Media marketing, we want you to succeed. We want you to tell that story. We need to be able to tell that story to inspire the next generation of leaders. Am I the only one that sees that? No, I know you see it too, all right. industrialtalk.com Reach out. Let's have a conversation. As always, be bold, be brave, dare greatly. Which you do that every day. Angeley, hang out with her. You will be changing the world, and you need to be doing that. You can't do it by yourself. You need to collaborate, Angeley. Make it happen. All right, we're gonna have more. See, I was getting ready. I was already down down the road, gonna have more. We got to have more conversations, because we have to. So, stay tuned.