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Trading Places: Is This Room Free? Leadership Labs – Lisa & Gemma Ellison join Martin Drake
Episode 8227th June 2024 • Beyond The Water Cooler • Lisa LLoyd
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Martin Drake ripped up the rule book and invited the "dynamic duo" that is Gemma Ellison and myself onto his podcast, Is This Room Free?

We're not HR.

But we are all about people. 

In particular, we're focused on enabling people to be and experience their best self.

And enabling them to develop in a way that provides most value to the organisation. All this whilst creating the most engaging experience that means we feel good about what we do.

So in this conversation, we unpick leadership development at its best, which is what we've created with Leadership Labs.

This is about a process for honesty, collaboration, peer support and experiential learning.

That might now sound mainstream but we push the boundaries.

We empower leaders to design experiments that drive positive change in their businesses.

Are you interested in a different way to develop the skills, confidence and ability to problem solve that is required of leaders today?

Whether you're at the top of an organisation or leading a team of people in a managerial role... Leadership Labs will help you.

Get in touch to find out more and benefit from the summer booking discount for our next Open Lab starting in September.

More about Martin:

Martin Drake is founder of Higher - a recruitment agency specialising in the HR and Marketing professions. Over 20 years recruitment experience, including 6 years as a HR Business Partner, his own experience with recruiters led him back to setting up his own recruitment business to give people the level of service and support they want and expect.

Links to contact Martin:


Martin Drake 


HR and Marketing recruitment:

Is This Room Free? - the HR careers podcast

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Leadership & Manager Labs (

Future Ready by Experimentation – with Gemma Ellison - It's Time for Change (

Leaders Tell Us: A Unique Approach to Development - It's Time for Change (

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