{"href":"http://player.captivate.fm/services/oembed?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplayer.captivate.fm%2Fepisode%2F532ab5a6-1f66-4b46-93a0-e4c607edae7a","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Captivate.FM","provider_url":"https://www.captivate.fm","width":600,"height":200,"type":"rich","html":"<iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 200px;\" title=\"082 Michael Shaw | Building an Authentic Voice and Following\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allow=\"clipboard-write\" seamless src=\"http://player.captivate.fm/episode/532ab5a6-1f66-4b46-93a0-e4c607edae7a\"></iframe>","title":"082 Michael Shaw | Building an Authentic Voice and Following","description":"Michael Shaw is the host of The Conversation, a podcast about\nthe contemporary arts. He talks with various artists, collectors,\ndealers, curators and more on the show. Michael has been running\nhis show since 2011 and he talks about some of the upcoming\nchallenges he is likely to face with growing his podcast. Michael\nalso shares on how he has developed such a loyal following over the\nyears; to the point where people donate to his show.\nShow Highlights\n\n07:00 \u2013 Michael talks about sound\ngear.\n09:05 \u2013 When did Michael launch\nhis show?\n12:05 \u2013 Does Michael have a lot of\ntechnical experience?\n16:00 \u2013 Michael prefers a great\nconversationalist vs. someone who has done well in their\ncareer.\n20:35 \u2013 Does Michael go out of his\nway to get the people he admires on the show?\n22:35 \u2013 It\u2019s better to respect the\nguest more than their career choices to create an amazing\nshow.\n25:00 \u2013 I talk about the two shows\nthat left me kind of star struck.\n27:05 \u2013 Michael knows people are\ntired of Marc Maron, but the man inspired him to create a\npodcast.\n28:45 \u2013 It\u2019s all about finding the\nright balance between being really personal vs. being\nconstructive.\n29:10 \u2013 How did Michael learn to\nbe a great interviewer?\n30:40 \u2013 Was Michael curious\ngrowing up? He says not really.\n31:20 \u2013 It\u2019s about process as well\nas curiosity. Having a good process can really make things\nhappen.\n31:40 \u2013 Michael believes great\nshows happen when he and the guest are both in the moment\ntogether.\n37:15 \u2013 Most people don\u2019t have the\nability to engage in a conversation. We just stare at our phones\ninstead.\n43:00 \u2013 Michael talks about\nartists and different styles.\n46:35 \u2013 What kind of challenges\nhas Michael faced as an artist?\n50:35 \u2013 Michael has some pretty\nloyal and dedicated fans.\n51:00 \u2013 It\u2019s hard to go out of\nyour way to donate to a podcast.\n54:35 \u2013 I talk about the\nrelationships I have developed with my listeners.\n57:00 \u2013 Podcast content is\nundervalued and successful art is overvalued.\n59:10 \u2013 Michael talks about his\nmentors.\n01:02:35 \u2013 What\u2019s Michael\u2019s\nfondest memory of New York city?\n01:03:30 \u2013 What has Michael\nchanged his mind about recently?\n01:08:25 \u2013 It\u2019s an interesting\nbalance between being burned out vs. needing that social contact\nand stimulation\n01:09:15 \u2013 Michael depends on his\nguests for referrals.\n01:11:35 \u2013 At a certain point,\nMichael felt like he was just a tool.\n\n\u00a0\nFULL SHOW NOTES:\u00a0http://www.podcastjunkies.com/82","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/7aae3f3d-af3b-4944-9db1-c6fc5a364504/full1544682985artwork.jpg"}