{"href":"http://player.captivate.fm/services/oembed?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplayer.captivate.fm%2Fepisode%2F60be2578-64ef-4e86-a5cc-5fadbf4208c4","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Captivate.FM","provider_url":"https://www.captivate.fm","width":600,"height":200,"type":"rich","html":"","title":"Episode 115: Difficult Conversations","description":"Shannon attended protests in Portland in support of Black Lives Matter just a few days before we recorded this episode. This week, Shannon and Janine talk about the challenges of having difficult conversations around systemic racism and Shannon shares what she's learned in recent weeks of activism.\n\nDiscussion topics include:\n\n\u2022 The reason Shannon\u2019s throat is scratchy: She participated in Black Lives Matter protests in Portland and was pepper sprayed and tear gassed by federal agents\n\u2022 How protesting has opened Shannon\u2019s eyes to a lot of things that she\u2019s never had to think about before\n\u2022 A big lesson: Don\u2019t get defensive in discussions about racism but rather take away the message for further thought\n\u2022 How perfectionism can be a problem in these conversations because it can lead to paralysis or defensiveness\n\u2022 How Shannon is trying to take what she\u2019s learning and help other white women learn about ways they may unknowingly be behaving in a racist manner\n\u2022 It doesn\u2019t matter what your intention was if something you say is perceived as harmful. Learning that without getting defensive is valuable.\n\u2022 A navigational tool: The Ring Theory that helps you not say the wrong thing: \n\u2022 Getting used to just saying, \u201cThank you for letting me know.\"\n\u2022 How Shannon\u2019s trying to navigate these discussions in social media\n\u2022 The other big thing that happened in Shannon\u2019s life on Saturday: She and her husband found a baby mouse in their car and had to figure out what to do for it.\n\u2022 Supporting the BLM movement without being on the front lines\n\nSee the show notes at www.gettingtogoodenough.com for links!","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/cd2e0d56-1e2f-481a-8571-c4663350c6a6/648i5bBT0OJL-jqDq5kKTfH1.png"}