{"href":"http://player.captivate.fm/services/oembed?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplayer.captivate.fm%2Fepisode%2F6a6b4984-24cf-4ce4-9d58-1a2ade97e075","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Captivate.FM","provider_url":"https://www.captivate.fm","width":600,"height":200,"type":"rich","html":"<iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 200px;\" title=\"Interview | Narcissism & the Enneagram with Chuck DeGroat\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allow=\"clipboard-write\" seamless src=\"http://player.captivate.fm/episode/6a6b4984-24cf-4ce4-9d58-1a2ade97e075\"></iframe>","title":"Interview | Narcissism & the Enneagram with Chuck DeGroat","description":"<p>Greetings all you raging narcissists! In this episode of Fathoms, Drew and the Seths are joined by author, professor, counselor, and spiritual director Dr. Chuck DeGroat. We talk about his book, When Narcissism Comes to Church, which expands our stereotypical notions of narcissistic leaders through the lens of the enneagram.\u00a0</p>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<ul><li>Abram quotes Russ Hudson re: coddling our own narcissism [3:12]</li>\n<li>The highlight of Chuck\u2019s career [4:02]</li>\n<li>When Chuck received the enneagram into his heart [6:15]</li>\n<li>About Chuck\u2019s book, When Narcissism Comes to Church [8:00]</li>\n<li>Chuck\u2019s definition of narcissism [9:35]</li>\n<li>On Narcissistic Personality Disorder [11:45]</li>\n<li>Narcissistic style, type, and disorder [12:40]</li>\n<li>Narcissism and success [14:55]</li>\n<li>Epigenetics [15:33]</li>\n<li>The difference between acting narcissistic and being a narcissist [16:30]</li>\n<li>Having spiritual authority vs. being spiritually abusive [18:00]</li>\n<li>The nine faces of narcissism [19:00]</li>\n<li>The gift of healthy narcissism and original goodness [22:30]</li>\n<li>Narcissism and the enneagram triads [26:00]</li>\n<li>The concept of \u201csplitting\u201d and the path to transformation [30:25]</li>\n<li>The importance of shadow work [33:00]</li>\n<li>How we can use our narcissism to work towards healing and wholeness [34:47]</li>\n<li>Co-dependence and narcissism [38:15]</li>\n<li>Re: toxic positivity and toxic negativity [40:10]</li>\n</ul>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<p>Follow Chuck\u2019s work at <a href='http://www.chuckdegroat.net'>www.chuckdegroat.net</a>.\u00a0</p>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<p>**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**</p>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<p>\u2014</p>\n<p>Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: \u201cDiscovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.\u201d</p>\n<p>\u2014</p>\n<p>Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser</p>\n<p>Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore</p>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<ul><li>Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram</li>\n<li>Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram</li>\n<li>Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic</li>\n<li>Follow Drew: @enneagrammers</li>\n</ul>\n<p>\u2014</p>\n<p>Drew\u2019s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from <a href='http://www.fallscitypress.com'>www.fallscitypress.com</a> and use code \u201cfcpchristmas\u201d for a 20% discount!]</p>\n","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/009e6730-b700-4f7b-a9a3-605d239b7d8b/1.jpg"}