{"href":"http://player.captivate.fm/services/oembed?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplayer.captivate.fm%2Fepisode%2F6cfa20c3-73b8-4733-b3d1-ca73223c22b7","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Captivate.FM","provider_url":"https://www.captivate.fm","width":600,"height":200,"type":"rich","html":"<iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 200px;\" title=\"Interview | Addiction, Recovery & The Enneagram with Michael Naylor\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allow=\"clipboard-write\" seamless src=\"http://player.captivate.fm/episode/6cfa20c3-73b8-4733-b3d1-ca73223c22b7\"></iframe>","title":"Interview | Addiction, Recovery & The Enneagram with Michael Naylor","description":"<p>In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and addiction expert Michael Naylor (4w5). Michael was kind enough to join us from his home in Portland, Maine and talk to us about the intersection of personality and addition. Michael is a wise soul with a wealth of insight. Enjoy!\u00a0</p>\n<ul><li>A bit about Michael and his enneagram origin story [3:40]</li>\n<li>Michael\u2019s enneagram elevator pitch [7:30]</li>\n<li>In Michael\u2019s opinion, the greatest myth about the enneagram [8:15]</li>\n<li>Creek goes to therapy with Michael [9:40]</li>\n<li>One of Michael\u2019s favorite transformation stories working with clients in addition and recovery [12:35]</li>\n<li>Michael\u2019s definition of \u2018addiction\u2019 and the enneagram\u2019s levels of health [18:40]</li>\n<li>Re: quality of presence and level of addition [25:00]</li>\n<li>Michael\u2019s take on connecting certain additions with certain types [29:00]</li>\n<li>Re: enneagram type, genetics, and addiction [30:50]</li>\n<li>The psychic structure and personality type [33:40]</li>\n<li>How to help the types see more clearly [44:00]</li>\n<li>Creek goes back to therapy with Michael [47:00]</li>\n<li>The process of recovery [53:25]</li>\n<li>Lessons for the types about recovery (even if they aren\u2019t in recovery) [55:45]</li>\n<li>Advice for those who may need help [1:01:45]</li>\n<li>Michael\u2019s lessons from his own recovery journey [1:03:30]</li>\n</ul>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<p>**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**</p>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<p>Ways to find Michael and his work :\u00a0</p>\n<ul><li>Micahel\u2019s website: <a href='https://enneagrammaine.com/'>https://enneagrammaine.com/</a>\u00a0</li>\n<li>Michael\u2019s instagram: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/enneagrammaine/'>https://www.instagram.com/enneagrammaine/</a>\u00a0</li>\n</ul>\n<p>\u2014</p>\n<p>Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: \u201cDiscovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.\u201d</p>\n<p>\u2014</p>\n<p>Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser</p>\n<p>Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore</p>\n<p>\u00a0</p>\n<ul><li>Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram</li>\n<li>Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram</li>\n<li>Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic</li>\n<li>Follow Drew: @enneagrammers</li>\n</ul>\n","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/678ca499-09f0-4d89-80e3-fafaa8b31190/1.jpg"}