{"href":"http://player.captivate.fm/services/oembed?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplayer.captivate.fm%2Fepisode%2Fbef5f1dd-8109-4780-9e40-222f14735cc9","version":"1.0","provider_name":"Captivate.FM","provider_url":"https://www.captivate.fm","width":600,"height":200,"type":"rich","html":"<iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 200px;\" title=\"Episode 226 \u2013 Uluru, Venezuela and China\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allow=\"clipboard-write\" seamless src=\"http://player.captivate.fm/episode/bef5f1dd-8109-4780-9e40-222f14735cc9\"></iframe>","title":"Episode 226 \u2013 Uluru, Venezuela and China","description":"<br />\nIn this episode, we are joined by Archer to discuss climbing Uluru, Venezuela and Chinese influence in Australian Universities.<br />\nUluru<br />\nAn ethical consistency test<br />\nDear listener. We have a little test on your ethical positions.<br />\nDoes religious nonsense annoy you? Are you sick of undeserved respect demanded by religious leaders for their superstitious beliefs? Should religious leaders be able to tell the rest of us how to behave and what to do? Should we change our conduct in order to avoid offending an Arch-Bishop?<br />\nNew topic.<br />\nDo you think that as a mark of respect to Indigenous spiritual sensibilities, climbing Uluru should be banned?<br />\nDo you sense any conflict in your answers?<br />\nAhh maybe you resolved the conflict due to ownership issues? If so, please listen to our Indigenous special episode #213.<br />\nNo more climbing at Uluru.<br />\nWhat are the reasons?<br />\nI posted on Facebook:<br />\nIt seems to me there are four reasons commonly given as to why climbing Uluru should be banned, namely:<br />\n<br />\n* Climbing Uluru is disrespectful to the spiritual beliefs of the local Indigenous people.<br />\n2. The local indigenous people are owners or custodians and as \u201cowners\u201d they can decide if people can climb it.<br />\n3. It is too dangerous.<br />\n4. The best view is at ground level looking at the rock<br />\n<br />\nAfter reviewing the Facebook comments I\u2019d add:<br />\n<br />\n* Environmental reasons which include damage to the rock and rubbish and human waste<br />\n* Aesthetic reasons (prompted by John Perkins suggestion of a chairlift)<br />\n<br />\nHistory<br />\nUluru\u2019s land title was handed back to its traditional owners in 1985, but was immediately leased to the Australian federal government to be jointly managed as a national park for 99 years.<br />\nFormal requests for tourists not to climb first arose in the 1991 park management plan. The current Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park management plan states that the climb will be \u201cpermanently closed when the proportion of visitors climbing falls below 20 per cent.<br />\nThe Fist was there in 1985 at the ceremony. I can\u2019t recall any requests to not climb the rock.<br />\n<a href=\"https://www.essentialvision.com.au/support-closing-uluru-climbing\">What do Australians think?</a><br />\nDid previous generations care?<br />\nThere is evidence that blanket Aboriginal objection to climbing the rock is relatively recent.<br />\nFrom <a href=\"https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2018/04/banon-climbing-ayers-rock-immoral-illegal/\">Marc Hendrickx writing in Quadrant</a> (a conservative magazine)<br />\nIn 1973, as part of land rights discussions, the federal government recognised Paddy Uluru as the legitimate, principal owner of Uluru. Paddy Uluru was a fully initiated Anangu man familiar with all the local laws and customs. His views about tourists climbing the Rock were summed up in an interview with Erwin Chlanda of the\u00a0Alice Springs News\u00a0which quotes him saying, \u201cif tourists are stupid enough to climb the Rock, they\u2019re welcome to it\u201d and \u201cthe physical act of climbing was of no cultural interest\u201d.<br />\nPaddy Uluru\u2019s feelings towards the climb were also documented by Derek Roff, the ranger of the park between 1968 and 1985 and close friend of Paddy. In interviews for a Northern Territory Oral History Project in 1997, Roff (now deceased) stated that the issue of tourists climbing never arose, and recounted that Paddy Uluru would tell of climbing the Rock himself.<br />\nAnother elder, senior Anangu man and owner of the Rock, Tiger Tjalkalyirri, acted as an early tourist guide and climbing partner to early visitors to Ayers Rock. His name appears at least twice on the early climbing logbook at the summit cairn. He assisted Cliff Thomson in 1946 and Arthur Groom in 1947. There is footage of Tiger on top of the Rock splashing in depressions filled with water. Clearly he did not have an issue climbing or showing tourists around his Rock.<br />\n","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_height":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://artwork.captivate.fm/085762e2-797c-4ef4-9b10-434ecde61c07/logo2018v2.jpg"}