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Speaker A:
Hey, everyone.
Speaker A:
Today we are going to have some crazy discussions about weird Halloween rules and laws, along with some strange and horrible events that have taken place at haunted house attractions.
Speaker A:
Hello, everyone.
Speaker A:
It is spooky month, and we couldn't be more excited.
Speaker B:
This is our time.
Speaker B:
We're ready.
Speaker A:
We've been waiting all year.
Speaker B:
We have.
Speaker A:
Well, today we are going to be chatting about some strange Halloween laws along with some horrible situations that have happened during spooky season.
Speaker A:
One thing that I feel like comes up in my head every time around spooky season is haunted houses.
Speaker A:
Right.
Speaker A:
Have you ever been really leery of weapons at a haunted house?
Speaker A:
Like, is that a fear that you also have?
Speaker A:
Not a fear, but, like a thought.
Speaker B:
So when we're talking haunted houses, by the way, we're talking about the haunted house attractions, not like actual haunted houses.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
My biggest concern with haunted houses is that they are staffed by real people, and sometimes real people are real fcked up.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
So I'm easily startled.
Speaker B:
Whatever.
Speaker B:
That's a thing.
Speaker B:
But in addition, there is this part in my head that's like, but what if?
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
Because if you did want to hurt people, it would make sense that you would be in a place where people would be like, oh, you're spooky.
Speaker B:
And then you stab them.
Speaker B:
They're like, oh, wait a minute.
Speaker B:
You know, like, mm.
Speaker A:
Well, with some of the things that we're gonna talk about today, if you listener have that same thought or fear, it may make it worse.
Speaker B:
Like, we're sorry, but we're also not sorry because I just feel like we found more than we thought we were going to.
Speaker B:
We were like, this'll be a cute little part of our episode.
Speaker B:
We say cute.
Speaker B:
An interesting part of our episode.
Speaker B:
And then we were like, oh, this is the episode.
Speaker B:
The episode is the horrors of haunted attractions for realsies.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker A:
We didn't expect this, but it.
Speaker A:
It turned into a thing.
Speaker A:
So the first part will be kind of just silly for the most part.
Speaker A:
There are a lot of weird Halloween laws that we stumbled into this week.
Speaker A:
I haven't really considered it because here there's not really much around it.
Speaker A:
It's like go trick or treating when you feel like it.
Speaker A:
Like if the light's off, don't bother anyone.
Speaker A:
That's the extent.
Speaker A:
I don't know if it's like that in Maryland as well.
Speaker B:
It's just never occurred to me that there could be Halloween laws.
Speaker B:
Like I was like, why?
Speaker B:
For why?
Speaker B:
Like some of them kind of make sense.
Speaker B:
Ish.
Speaker B:
But it's like, why did you need to make this a law?
Speaker B:
Couldn't we have just made this like a practice as opposed to passing a bill, if you will?
Speaker A:
Yes, yes.
Speaker A:
So there's a few that we stumbled upon that we just wanted to share.
Speaker A:
So in Belleville, Illinois, it's illegal for kids who are in grade nine or above to participate in trick or treating.
Speaker A:
It specifically says it's unlawful to make tricks.
Speaker A:
Trick or treat visitations unless you're a student in the eighth grade or under.
Speaker B:
For what?
Speaker B:
For what?
Speaker B:
Like God forbid an adolescent have some fucking whimsy.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Just want some free candy.
Speaker A:
Who cares?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
If you are a grown ass adult and you're trick or treating.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
Like I'll give anybody candy that day.
Speaker B:
You know what I mean?
Speaker B:
I will too.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
I don't know.
Speaker B:
That just feels.
Speaker B:
It has like real get off my lawn energy.
Speaker A:
It really does.
Speaker B:
But yeah, so.
Speaker A:
So if you're.
Speaker A:
Or like I imagine like kids that are too like, that are a lot taller or you know, like, yes, a little more grown up, like getting hassled.
Speaker B:
I think that that's just the interesting wrinkle that sometimes you have to consider that when you make prohibitive laws that make assumptions on people based on what they look like.
Speaker B:
Like a kid looking like a high schooler when they're a kid, you know, or other equivalents.
Speaker B:
You're acting as though like the person who is making the determination in that moment is like, ah, this is an eighth grader.
Speaker B:
Like what children have to carry their student IDs and be like, I go to so and so middle.
Speaker B:
You shouldn't have to do that.
Speaker B:
Like you shouldn't have to give your name and, and like grade.
Speaker B:
Also you shouldn't have to give your name and grade to get candy on Halloween.
Speaker B:
But also if someone starts asking your child a lot of personal questions about themselves when you're trying to just trick or treat, that's a red flag.
Speaker B:
So it's like it doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker B:
It's more what I feel like it's a law where it's like, I hope they're not enforcing that because could you imagine Like a ninth grader getting like a citation because they went trick or treating.
Speaker B:
Like, get the fuck away from me.
Speaker B:
Get away from me on that.
Speaker B:
Like, ridiculous.
Speaker A:
It's so weird.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
So there's also a specified trick or treat time and it's from 5 to 8:30 to quote, limit such solicitations.
Speaker B:
Oh my gosh.
Speaker B:
Turn the porch light off, baby.
Speaker A:
I've never heard trick or treating like sounding so official.
Speaker B:
It's like someone was like, you can trick or treat, but we will be removing all of the fun from it.
Speaker B:
And again, could you imagine it's like 8:31.
Speaker B:
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:
What, are you gonna arrest the six year old?
Speaker B:
Yeah, like, don't you dare begin doing that.
Speaker B:
No, it's just.
Speaker B:
That's silly.
Speaker B:
Turn your porch light off if you don't want people to come to your door.
Speaker B:
Most people understand that that means there's no candy here.
Speaker A:
Yes, yes.
Speaker A:
nd now the ordinance is under:
Speaker A:
Halloween solicitation is what it's called.
Speaker B:
I'm sorry, that sounds like first.
Speaker B:
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm going to pause you right there.
Speaker B:
Because when you think of solicitation, typically what goes into your mind should be sex work.
Speaker A:
Right.
Speaker B:
Like that is often the way that it's given.
Speaker B:
So that just makes it sound like Halloween sex work.
Speaker B:
Which, like, I also think that the way that we criminalize sex work doesn't really make any fudgeing sense.
Speaker B:
But either way, all that to say is that Halloween solicitation does sound like trick or treating.
Speaker B:
Like please, please don't make this sound like an adult phrase.
Speaker B:
Like you just don't need, you don't need to.
Speaker A:
No, no, it's.
Speaker B:
It's weird.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Do they have to like submit a formal stamped request and apply for the candy so they can get a fun.
Speaker A:
Siiz Snickers, you know, like a hunting license.
Speaker B:
Yeah, you need a trick or treating license.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Here in Maryland we used to have it so that like you had a vertical ID if you were underage and then you had a horizontal ID if you were 21 or over.
Speaker B:
I could be getting these backwards, I don't know.
Speaker B:
But like, all I can imagine is that like when they turn a certain age, they like, they, they get a new student ID and it's like, oh, you know, it's in black and white.
Speaker A:
There's no pumpkins on it anymore.
Speaker B:
Yeah, there's no.
Speaker B:
They like.
Speaker B:
No, they have what actually, what they have in there.
Speaker B:
There's an ink on their child registration card because that's what this place would include because it requires it that lasts approximately like 13 years so that once they're it like fades so they no longer have trick or treat privileges.
Speaker A:
Ah, okay.
Speaker B:
Ridiculous.
Speaker A:
Ridiculous.
Speaker A:
Now another interesting note is that we also saw that it was unlawful for a person over 12 to wear any mask or disguise without permission of the mayor or chief of police on days other than Halloween.
Speaker B:
And so I feel like that's actually something that we're seeing that's more often than not is places where you full on cannot wear a mask.
Speaker B:
And sometimes that even includes like ones for health purposes.
Speaker A:
Well, what I'm thinking is like, okay, so obviously you probably shouldn't be wearing a mask, like a full on, like Halloween mask to the grocery store.
Speaker A:
Right?
Speaker A:
But like, what about themed parties or like people that go to football games and they wear all the crazy stuff.
Speaker A:
Do you have to be like, I'm going to be the mascot for this, like high school football?
Speaker A:
Oh yeah, Mr. Mayor, Ms. Mayor.
Speaker B:
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker A:
Please get permission to wear my mask tonight, please.
Speaker B:
That didn't even occur to me, the.
Speaker A:
Red tape to go through it.
Speaker A:
Yeah, there's a lot of mask things.
Speaker B:
Things.
Speaker A:
And there's like birthday parties where you can hire like Minnie Mouse.
Speaker B:
Oh, you're totally right.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
I wonder if they have like, if they would eventually figure out like a.
Speaker B:
They might not like deem that as a mask.
Speaker B:
But like, I love that you went to wholesome places.
Speaker B:
My brain did not go to wholesome places.
Speaker B:
And I was like, if a person wants to wear a mask in their own home, like get away from me, like just like let people live.
Speaker B:
I get it.
Speaker B:
You don't want people walking around stores with a mask on.
Speaker B:
That's a weird vibe.
Speaker B:
Also, if I'm like going on like a casual little walk around my neighborhood, do I want to see someone with.
Speaker A:
In like the clown mask?
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah, like in a, in a scary clown mask.
Speaker B:
No, I don't.
Speaker B:
But also, I don't know, I just feel like there's some things that we just like dictate as societal norms.
Speaker B:
You know, hey, we're not going to wear masks all around because that's suspicious.
Speaker B:
It's suspicious to wear a mask in the middle of April when you're not going to a party.
Speaker B:
If you're just walking down the street, that's a weird thing to do.
Speaker B:
Also, what if you're trying on masks at the Halloween store?
Speaker B:
Can you do that?
Speaker B:
Is that allowed?
Speaker B:
Are you allowed to put it on?
Speaker A:
I would write to the mayor, you.
Speaker B:
Have like a Permission slip.
Speaker A:
You bring it to Spirit.
Speaker A:
Like, I got it stamped.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
What if you work at Spirit?
Speaker B:
You can't.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Or honestly.
Speaker B:
Halloween adventure.
Speaker B:
Did you guys have Halloween adventures near you?
Speaker A:
No, I don't think so.
Speaker B:
That was another chain that used to exist.
Speaker B:
There's only one in New York City now, but, like, that's where my brother and his wife met, by the way, Was.
Speaker B:
They both worked there, which I think is really cute.
Speaker B:
But it.
Speaker B:
We could spend the next 20 minutes just being like, here are reasons why you might be wearing a mask.
Speaker B:
Why it would, like, make sense for you to be doing that.
Speaker B:
What if you're fencing?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Can you fence?
Speaker B:
Can you not fence in that area?
Speaker A:
I don't think without mayor permission.
Speaker B:
Also, I just love the idea that my brain went to fencing.
Speaker B:
Like I've ever done that, you know?
Speaker B:
Or.
Speaker B:
Sorry.
Speaker A:
Chief of Police.
Speaker B:
Chief of police.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:
Don't get it twisted, Amanda.
Speaker B:
You don't want to get your application wrong.
Speaker B:
You got to have a license to trick or treat.
Speaker A:
You know how much longer it would take for me to be able to wear my mask if I sent it to the wrong person?
Speaker B:
I took a sip of my tea.
Speaker B:
It was a mistake.
Speaker B:
I almost, like, spit at my computer.
Speaker B:
I just want to know if I was a person who lived in this jurisdiction and these were the type of laws that were getting passed, I would be so fucking annoyed because at any given moment, like, there is actual real shit that should be, like, being reviewed by our government.
Speaker B:
And when we're dictating, like, hey, if you're in eighth grade, you can't.
Speaker B:
Trick or treat.
Speaker B:
Get the fuck away from me.
Speaker B:
Just, like, kindly get the fuck away from me.
Speaker B:
Yes, yes.
Speaker B:
Also, it was passed in:
Speaker B:
This isn't like an old law.
Speaker B:
Like, this isn't just, like, old, funny, duddy, fucking people.
Speaker B:
This was in the:
Speaker A:
Like, I just.
Speaker A:
I had to send her the link to it again because I was like, just.
Speaker A:
Just look at it the way it's written.
Speaker A:
Even it's so official.
Speaker A:
And you're like, can we.
Speaker A:
Can we not?
Speaker B:
Oh, and they also.
Speaker B:
They're like, hey, even if you're homeschooled, you, like, the grade counts.
Speaker B:
I like.
Speaker B:
They were like, no, we don't want any of these old homeschool kids going through the loophole.
Speaker A:
But just.
Speaker A:
Yeah, so get permission.
Speaker A:
If you live in this area.
Speaker A:
I want to see these requests.
Speaker A:
Like, how do you ask for the request?
Speaker A:
I need to know if you live there.
Speaker A:
Let me know.
Speaker B:
I just need you to know, like, okay, I'm not going to go through all these.
Speaker B:
But when I googled weird laws in Belleville, Illinois, some of the things that popped up.
Speaker B:
Again, we're not going to fact check it because this is happening truly, mid episode.
Speaker B:
But you're.
Speaker B:
Now I can't even say it.
Speaker B:
You're not.
Speaker B:
It's illegal to allow your pet to smoke.
Speaker A:
Well, what is my dog gonna do now?
Speaker A:
She's a chain smoker.
Speaker B:
Yeah, like, she's.
Speaker B:
Like, she's stressed.
Speaker B:
What's she gonna do after a hard day?
Speaker B:
It's also illegal to possess aquatic life whose value exceeds $600.
Speaker A:
Okay.
Speaker A:
I mean, I understand people get weird animals and they shouldn't have them.
Speaker A:
So maybe that's like, the way to stop that.
Speaker B:
Yeah, because it's, like, expensive.
Speaker B:
But the next line is, which has led to the misconception that it's illegal to own more than $600 worth of salamanders.
Speaker A:
Well, what am I gonna do with my life now?
Speaker A:
That is specific.
Speaker B:
$600 worth of salamanders.
Speaker B:
And then apparently it's also.
Speaker A:
This is just.
Speaker B:
In Illinois, generally, it's illegal to make faces at dogs.
Speaker B:
I am legitimately crying.
Speaker B:
I can't.
Speaker B:
I can't.
Speaker A:
Oh, the dogs got really upset.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
I am truly just, like, weeping at the idea of this.
Speaker B:
You also can't remove the idea of homing pigeons.
Speaker B:
You have.
Speaker B:
You have to have a permit for a garage sale.
Speaker B:
It's $5 to get that permit.
Speaker B:
Oh, no, you can't.
Speaker B:
In another jurisdiction, Illinois, you can't sing or whistle in the streets after 10pm Fair.
Speaker A:
That's creepy.
Speaker B:
I mean, I don't disagree, but it's like, that's the most important thing.
Speaker A:
Ma', am, what were you arrested for tonight?
Speaker B:
I whistled past the music curfew.
Speaker B:
Like, all that.
Speaker B:
This.
Speaker B:
This all has the mayor in the town and footloose energy, doesn't it?
Speaker A:
Yeah, I.
Speaker B:
The idea that, like, there's times when we're like, this is annoying.
Speaker B:
Why is our government, like, policing this thing?
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
But it's like you're telling me this is the.
Speaker B:
Like, these are the important issues.
Speaker B:
I can't get.
Speaker B:
Get away.
Speaker B:
Amazing.
Speaker B:
But you can have $600 worth of salamanders, so that's good.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Okay.
Speaker A:
Oh, no.
Speaker A:
What if you buy $550 worth of salamanders and they reproduce and then it's over $600 of salamanders.
Speaker B:
Well, so.
Speaker B:
And that's the interesting note is because you can have over $600 worth of things.
Speaker B:
So say, for example, you had insert Expensive animal that even doesn't even.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
It's aquatic, by the way.
Speaker B:
It's aquatic specifically because I was like.
Speaker A:
Yeah, they don't like aquatic animals there.
Speaker B:
Well, because at first I was like, okay, a lot of, like, breeder dogs, they are more than $600, which is wild to me.
Speaker A:
Shouldn't they be focusing on that?
Speaker A:
I feel like that's more important.
Speaker B:
Yeah, like, maybe you don't have puppy mills, but like, yeah, I guess.
Speaker B:
Is aquatic life relatively cheap?
Speaker B:
Typically?
Speaker B:
Say you have some, like, very rare squid in your house, right?
Speaker B:
And you're like, you want to breed rare squids?
Speaker B:
If your squid gets pregnant and has babies, right.
Speaker B:
Say your $500 squid has babies.
Speaker B:
$500 babies.
Speaker B:
How long can you keep those 500 babies in the house?
Speaker A:
I don't know.
Speaker A:
I don't know.
Speaker A:
Maybe you have to turn them over.
Speaker A:
You have to turn them over to the mayor.
Speaker B:
They get confiscated.
Speaker B:
You're a baby.
Speaker A:
The mayor's obsessed with aquatic animals, and that's their way of getting the.
Speaker A:
He's actually.
Speaker B:
They're like a black market exotic aquatic animal dealer.
Speaker B:
And that's how they get them on.
Speaker B:
They sell them on whatnot.
Speaker B:
They're gonna make a.
Speaker B:
The boo boo loss.
Speaker B:
They can confiscate those next.
Speaker B:
Amazing.
Speaker A:
Okay, so overall, Illinois is not the place to celebrate Halloween or have a lot of aquatic animals, it seems.
Speaker B:
But you can have a lot of salamanders, you know, like, that's okay.
Speaker B:
So a few years ago in Chesapeake, Virginia, they actually went viral for banning anyone who was older than 12 years old from trick or treating.
Speaker B:
ginal ordinance was passed in:
Speaker B:
A citation, right?
Speaker B:
Or like, maybe even a fine.
Speaker B:
But again, we're talking about fucking typically children.
Speaker B:
But, like, it was punishable by up to six months in jail.
Speaker B:
And, like, can you imagine?
Speaker B:
Like, what are you in for?
Speaker B:
Trick or treating as older than 12.
Speaker B:
Are you fudgeing?
Speaker B:
Kidding me?
Speaker B:
Like, I'm gonna send you to jail because you trick or treated.
Speaker B:
Get away from me.
Speaker B:
That's my phrase for today is get away from me.
Speaker B:
So fortunately, it was not enforced.
Speaker B:
Really?
Speaker B:
Now in:
Speaker B:
They raised the trick or treating age limit to 14.
Speaker B:
And if you're over the age of 14, the ordinance states, if any person over the age of 14 years shall engage in the activity commonly known as trick or treat, he or she shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
Speaker A:
When someone does a background check and they're like, hey, things came up.
Speaker A:
Juvenile stuff.
Speaker B:
Might not.
Speaker A:
But what if you're 18 and you went trick or treating?
Speaker A:
You're.
Speaker B:
Oh yeah.
Speaker B:
Or also like, what if you're like applying to colleges and, or like applying for a job?
Speaker B:
I don't know how that'll.
Speaker B:
I'm honestly, I don't know how like juvenile criminal offenses work.
Speaker B:
But like, for real, we're gonna treat that as a misdemeanor.
Speaker B:
Now you can be older than 14 and accompany a child to trick or treat and then don't.
Speaker B:
They're a little bit more strict on the time here though, because you have to fucking wrap up that trick or treating by 8pm or you guessed it, class four misdemeanor.
Speaker B:
Like what?
Speaker A:
So you're telling me like a six.
Speaker B:
Year old again who's like 801 comes up in their little like princess costume, like ding dong, and they go to the wrong house and they got like a fucking cop there and they're like, little kid, you've got a fucking misdemeanor.
Speaker B:
Obviously that's not how that works.
Speaker B:
We know that.
Speaker B:
But like the idea that you're going to give a misdemeanor to like a 10 year old because they went trick or treating after 8pm, like what?
Speaker A:
I thought of two things as, as you said it.
Speaker A:
One, because the way that we wrote it, the, you guessed it, class four misdemeanor, all I thought of is parks of rec where he's like, straight to jail.
Speaker A:
Straight to jail.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
That kind of feels like again, sometimes you can just tell that somebody got like a little bit annoyed and then just went too fucking hard.
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
Like they were just like, it was like, you didn't have to go, like, you're telling me again that this is the, the thing that deserves the government attention in Chesapeake, Virginia, how old people are when they're trick or treating.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker A:
But I also in my mind thought of them filming an episode of Cops.
Speaker B:
Oh my God.
Speaker A:
They're like, tonight what we're doing is we're looking for late night trick or treaters.
Speaker B:
Amazing.
Speaker B:
10 out of 10.
Speaker B:
10 out of 10.
Speaker B:
And then it also in Virginia, for that 12 and under age, it's still 12 and under.
Speaker B:
For Newport News, Virginia and Portsmouth.
Speaker B:
Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker B:
That's just wild.
Speaker B:
That's just fucking wild.
Speaker A:
It's so silly.
Speaker A:
I just can't imagine though, like, yeah, you, it's like a setup you know, like when they catch.
Speaker B:
To catch a predator.
Speaker B:
To catch a trick or treater.
Speaker B:
I cannot.
Speaker B:
I cannot.
Speaker B:
They like a really beautifully decorated house.
Speaker B:
The door is open.
Speaker B:
You can see that there's like a candy bowl with a bowl with like bull sized candy bars.
Speaker B:
There's like a kind looking person at the door, beckoning them forward.
Speaker A:
We got that spider man.
Speaker B:
And the fucking SWAT comes in.
Speaker A:
Oh, yes.
Speaker A:
That's how it is in my head.
Speaker B:
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:
Okay, so moving on.
Speaker B:
In the Los Angeles municipal code, there's an ordinance that prohibits anyone to possess, use, or sell silly string from 12am on October 31st to noon on November 1st.
Speaker B:
And if you violate this, you could receive a $1,000 fine, and obviously your silly string would be confiscated.
Speaker A:
Not again.
Speaker B:
What a goofy.
Speaker B:
Not again.
Speaker B:
What a.
Speaker B:
Like, what a fun evidence room.
Speaker B:
It's just like, like cans of.
Speaker B:
Cans of silly string.
Speaker B:
So this ordinance passed in:
Speaker B:
And part of the reason that they actually passes was because it was causing thousands of dollars in property damage because it was coding cars and the little stars in the Hollywood walk of Fame.
Speaker B:
Like, it was going on those and it was like, causing damage to it.
Speaker B:
So I'm like, okay, I can understand that.
Speaker B:
I've also just like.
Speaker B:
I guess I've never seen someone just go fucking wild with silly string.
Speaker B:
Like, outside of like a silly little goof to like, someone who I know.
Speaker B:
And you, like, spray it on them and everyone's fine and everyone laughs and then it's thrown away and it's like, no worries.
Speaker B:
I haven't seen, like, mischief afoot.
Speaker B:
But I'm also like, if your mischief is that intense where you're damaging property, I'm surprised that your medium is silly string.
Speaker B:
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker B:
And also, like, I would just imagine that if you're doing that, vandalism is vandalism.
Speaker B:
So, like, if you are doing something with the intention of causing damage to that property.
Speaker B:
Interesting.
Speaker B:
I don't know Los Angeles vandalism ordinances.
Speaker B:
But, like, it's just interesting that they're like, you could walk around with paint.
Speaker B:
You could walk around with like a chisel, right.
Speaker B:
A baseball bat to knock, like windows out.
Speaker B:
But silly strings are.
Speaker B:
We draw the line.
Speaker B:
Yes, yes.
Speaker B:
en additionally, in the early:
Speaker B:
So people were like, spraying that much sill string.
Speaker B:
So apparently they had like a silly string problem.
Speaker B:
Like, I can, like, it's Hilarious.
Speaker B:
It's hilarious.
Speaker B:
But I'm also like, like, man, like, I. I would never even consider that.
Speaker B:
Like, at least this one, there's, like, an actual reason that it was, like, causing damage.
Speaker B:
It wasn't just, like, we don't like fun, and we think you better grow up.
Speaker B:
Get a away from me here.
Speaker B:
It's like, hey, you're causing, like, a lot of damage and it's expensive.
Speaker B:
Could you not please stop?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Like, yeah, please not.
Speaker B:
But, like, versus, you know, again, I refuse to give my candy to a teenager.
Speaker B:
And don't knock on my door after 8pm Straight to jail.
Speaker B:
Because, like, theoretically, generally, you can knock on anyone's door at any time.
Speaker A:
I mean, some of it's going to be weird.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Like.
Speaker B:
Like, if you trick or treat in January, I'm going to look at you a little funny.
Speaker B:
But I will go get you candy if I have it.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Candy crackers.
Speaker A:
Something that you have.
Speaker B:
Something.
Speaker B:
Something packaged, you know, fair.
Speaker A:
Fair.
Speaker B:
I always keep a nice, hard candy.
Speaker B:
I have Werther's in my fridge Because I'm 95 years old.
Speaker A:
I do.
Speaker B:
I do have a nice, cool Werther's in my fridge.
Speaker B:
Uh, but if you want to hear about cold Werther's head to the end of the episode again with all types of weird stuff.
Speaker A:
Now another one.
Speaker A:
It doesn't quite fit in here, but I read it and I, like, cackled.
Speaker B:
Perfect.
Speaker A:
Thought of this.
Speaker A:
There's a video, too, but a weird Halloween arrest.
Speaker A:
So we found this Halloween arrest while looking into the laws.
Speaker A:
ted after blocking traffic in:
Speaker A:
And there's a video, and I died watching it.
Speaker B:
Amazing.
Speaker B:
Amazing.
Speaker B:
I think it's interesting because it's like, honestly, that's a pretty good fucking costume.
Speaker A:
It is.
Speaker A:
But just the thought of, like, you see them escorting this tree out of the road.
Speaker B:
Police say the man's motivation was to, quote, see how people would react and how it would, quote, impact people's natural choreography.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker A:
I read one article that said a friend of the man also said that he was trying to study the city's traffic patterns.
Speaker A:
And what better way than to be a tree in the middle of the road?
Speaker B:
I mean, I am a fan of curiosity generally.
Speaker B:
Okay, man.
Speaker B:
You know what I mean?
Speaker B:
Like, you use that free will.
Speaker B:
You make the decision.
Speaker B:
I will say if you've ever been at a Christmas tree lot and see where they've chopped off some of the branches and there's, like, a pile of them to the side.
Speaker B:
He is that pile.
Speaker B:
Like, I wouldn't say that he is tree shaped.
Speaker B:
I would say he's made of tree limbs.
Speaker B:
And that's very different because he is not a convincing tree.
Speaker B:
Like, it's definitely.
Speaker B:
It looks, to me, it looked like it was literally just like parts of tree.
Speaker B:
But we'll put it in our show notes.
Speaker B:
Please watch it and tell us if you agree that he looks like a pile of tree as opposed to an actual tree.
Speaker A:
I feel like if he would have just like squatted down, he could have been a bush.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:
I mean, I also, I just feel like if I saw a tree in the middle of the road, I'd have some questions.
Speaker B:
You know, I would be like, would.
Speaker A:
It disrupt the traffic pattern?
Speaker B:
It would, it would, would.
Speaker B:
It would disrupt my natural choreography.
Speaker A:
I just feel like people are dancing in this town everywhere.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Or driving.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
Because they're drive.
Speaker B:
Dancing, I guess.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
What a time.
Speaker B:
Cars.
Speaker A:
It's like Cars the movie.
Speaker B:
He's the opposite of the mayor and Footloose, only dancing.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
Gorgeous.
Speaker B:
Perfect.
Speaker A:
But I, I saw that.
Speaker A:
I was just like, we have to.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
I mean, yeah.
Speaker A:
Nonsensical.
Speaker A:
Okay.
Speaker B:
And we're shifting to our haunted houses now, right?
Speaker B:
Is that what's up next?
Speaker B:
Okay, I'm excited.
Speaker A:
Now we're gonna talk about actual creepy stuff.
Speaker A:
We had to get the silliness out of the way.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
We got our little Halloween goofs.
Speaker A:
So we're first going to talk about a haunted house attraction in Ohio.
Speaker A:
And it turned out to be a pretty dangerous trip for one haunted house goer.
Speaker A:
So in Ohio, an actor decided that it would be a good idea to use a real knife.
Speaker A:
And that actor accidentally stabbed a child.
Speaker B:
I just feel like maybe you don't make the decision.
Speaker B:
That's a bad decision.
Speaker A:
Right?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker A:
And now let's talk about how it happened, because that.
Speaker B:
That seems very strange.
Speaker B:
Yes.
Speaker A:
th of:
Speaker A:
And as an 11 year old boy, who was almost a 12 year old boy, by the way.
Speaker A:
So this almost 12 year old boy was about to walk through the haunted house and it was called Seven Floors of Hell.
Speaker B:
Perfect.
Speaker A:
When he encountered one of the actors.
Speaker B:
I do have a very quick question.
Speaker B:
If you are going to have a haunted house that is called Seven Floors of Hell, it better be seven floors.
Speaker B:
Like, don't walk me into seven rooms.
Speaker B:
I would be like, well, this better be like a big building.
Speaker B:
Like, there better be seven floors in here.
Speaker B:
Don't walk me into seven rooms.
Speaker B:
When it's called Seven Floors.
Speaker B:
Anywho, that's not related.
Speaker B:
Go ahead.
Speaker A:
So, all right, the boy's walking, he encounters the actor, and now the actor walks up to him holding a knife and is trying to scare him.
Speaker A:
Okay, that happens.
Speaker B:
Yeah, that's why they're there.
Speaker A:
And to paint the picture, it was a bowie style knife.
Speaker A:
So like, scary looking knife.
Speaker A:
Well, the boy was not scared and he said something along the lines of, that's fake, I'm not scared.
Speaker A:
So then the actor decided it would be great to stab the ground around him and drag the knife.
Speaker A:
Well, when he was doing so, he missed and he missed the ground and stabbed the little boy through his croc and cut his big toe on his left foot.
Speaker A:
They're like, you are going to be scared now.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
And how horrible is that?
Speaker B:
Yeah, that.
Speaker B:
That is pretty fucking bad.
Speaker B:
It's also just kind of like if you are a person who is doing this and you make the decision to use a real knife, I think that you're like a person who's like, ooh, I'm a scary looking person.
Speaker B:
You shouldn't be a person who's interacting with people.
Speaker A:
Like, that's just a bad decision.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
So the boy, luckily he was okay, but he was taken immediately to the first aid area and they disinfected the cut, called his mom, all that fun stuff.
Speaker A:
The cut was about a third of an inch long and they bandaged up the toe, but he did refuse further medical attention.
Speaker A:
So, like, it, it wasn't the worst, but like, still, you're getting stabbed at a haunted house, that's not good.
Speaker B:
So luckily it wasn't too bad.
Speaker B:
And the mother and son ended up getting their tickets upgraded and were able to continue through the rest of the haunted house.
Speaker B:
So the rest of the seven floors of hell, which, like, okay, a can do attitude, that does mean that, like, it likely wasn't so bad.
Speaker B:
So the scare actor was 22 year old Christopher Pogozowski and he was let go.
Speaker B:
And the police department Lt. Tom Walker said that the actor was charged with negligent assault.
Speaker B:
The president of Nightscream Entertainment, Rodney Gifford, who owns that haunted house, confirmed that it should have been a safe attraction and that that was the actor's decision.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
Like, that was like, they weren't like, we, we let them decide whether to use real or fake knives.
Speaker B:
They were like, no, like, we don't do that.
Speaker B:
And typically they do use prop or rubber knives.
Speaker B:
Again, a huge mistake.
Speaker B:
Gaffert said that, quote, he went to his car and did this on his own free will.
Speaker B:
And we don't tolerate or put up with that.
Speaker B:
And Pokozowski, he was very apologetic and he helped the boy after, but it was still obviously just a bad fucking decision for what.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And so the officers confiscated the knife.
Speaker B:
And the pick of it is like.
Speaker B:
It's horrifying.
Speaker B:
It's again, like, it's a scary knife.
Speaker A:
It is scary.
Speaker B:
Like, why?
Speaker B:
But so at the time, the haunted house had been at the fairgrounds for 21 years, and they had never had an incident like this.
Speaker B:
So this was clearly very abnormal.
Speaker B:
And there are some differing outcomes of what happens as a result of this, depending on which article you look at.
Speaker B:
But some synthesize that mother pressed charges, while others say that she decided not to.
Speaker B:
And then some articles also say that she pressed for there to be more safety practices reviewed.
Speaker B:
And we looked through the Cuyahoga county court records to see if we could find anything on Pogozelski's case, and we couldn't find anything related to this particular incident, which, like, holy fuck, though.
Speaker B:
Yikes.
Speaker A:
I can't even imagine.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Just going to a haunted house and literally getting stabbed.
Speaker A:
And we're.
Speaker B:
We're going to talk, unfortunately, more about this.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I mean, like, I think that our concern is very valid that the horrors in the haunted house are the actual people, like, who they are without the costume.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
So we're going to talk about an incident that happened in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker B:
th of:
Speaker B:
And it was a super popular haunted house.
Speaker B:
And after they finished going through the haunted house, they were playing some carnival style games.
Speaker B:
And a woman named Tanya Greenfield was approached by someone who she thought worked at the attraction.
Speaker A:
It looked like a person that worked there.
Speaker A:
And so they interact with this person.
Speaker A:
The person came up and asked her if one of her male friends was messing with her or bothering her.
Speaker A:
We've seen both.
Speaker A:
And her thinking it was a joke played along, and she's like, yes, yes, they are, you know, like messing around with.
Speaker B:
They're goofing, they're having a good time.
Speaker A:
So then this person who approached her handed her a knife, which she thought was a prop and said, well, here, stab him.
Speaker B:
You see where this is going?
Speaker A:
Because she thought it was a joke, she took the knife and stabbed her friend James, he goes by J Yocum, while laughing and saying, gotcha.
Speaker A:
Well, it wasn't a prop knife.
Speaker A:
It was real.
Speaker A:
And his arm began gushing blood.
Speaker B:
I bet it did.
Speaker A:
Could you Imagine.
Speaker B:
Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:
I feel like I.
Speaker A:
Like you would feel it, but I guess like some props look so real and feel.
Speaker A:
I just don't understand.
Speaker B:
I have never held a prop knife that wasn't light as.
Speaker B:
Like, I've never held a prop knife that felt like an actual knife.
Speaker B:
They've even like really good ones, the ones that retract, they're hollow.
Speaker B:
Like, that's how it actually works.
Speaker B:
That's why it's lighter.
Speaker B:
It's also possible that they're having a good time.
Speaker B:
Maybe they weren't completely sober or like she was caught up in the moment and didn't consider it.
Speaker B:
But like, huh, yeah, terrifying.
Speaker A:
So she had stabbed her friend in the forearm.
Speaker A:
An ambulance had to be called and the person who approached the group ran away.
Speaker A:
After the incident, Jay needed nine stitches, but ultimately was fine.
Speaker A:
And he said after, you know, the whole incident, he said that he heard the person who gave the knife to Tanya say that they didn't realize the knife was that sharp and panicked, saying, I didn't know.
Speaker A:
I'm sorry, before running.
Speaker A:
In a statement from Nashville Nightmare, they discussed the safety and the safety measures taken there, including that there's a metal detector when entering, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker A:
Like, how the fuck did the snipe get in there then?
Speaker A:
They also said that they believe that it was an employee that was involved in some way and that they had been placed on leave at the time of the statement.
Speaker B:
Oh.
Speaker A:
Because it was ruled an accidental stabbing.
Speaker A:
Metro Police were not doing a further investigation.
Speaker A:
However, a personal injury lawyer in Nashville, Jeff Roberts, said that the victim had a strong case for compensation.
Speaker A:
We looked for some court documents related to this and saw that there were two cases, one against Nashville Nightmare LLC and another to 13th Floor Entertainment Group.
Speaker A:
But the records don't show.
Speaker A:
It just shows that there was some sort of payout.
Speaker A:
Interesting.
Speaker B:
So what we've talked about so far is scary and shitty things that have happened at haunted houses that perhaps were or were not actually criminally charged.
Speaker B:
But now we're going to shift to talking about specific criminal activity at haunted houses and there is more than I thought that we would find.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
So we're going to talk about some trends, we'll talk about some instances in a little bit of detail, and then we're going to get into some of them in a bit more.
Speaker B:
So to start in:
Speaker A:
That's so sad.
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
And per the arrest report, the girl was pretty scared and had been found by other parents.
Speaker B:
So from what it seems like, it seems like she may have been left, like in the actual haunted house itself or like right near it where like, she was like, engaged in the scariness of it without having a parent.
Speaker B:
And I'm like, she was five.
Speaker B:
That poor baby.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
We also found over 20 separate instances where employees of haunted houses or the owners were arrested in relation to non consensual sexual activities within the haunted houses.
Speaker B:
Which I had never considered that, like, I had never considered like that type of thing.
Speaker A:
No, I just figured there'd be like cameras everywhere and people like, you know, kind of like a movie theater in a sense, like.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Watching or, I don't know, making sure everyone's safe.
Speaker B:
Weird.
Speaker B:
You're there to.
Speaker B:
To get like, scared, but you're not there to get trauma, you know.
Speaker B:
So we're not going to get into the cases themselves, but there are some trends that we noticed.
Speaker B:
There was a significant amount of victims who were children.
Speaker A:
That's sad.
Speaker B:
And some of the arrests were because there were sex offenders working at the haunted attractions.
Speaker B:
So I do think that as you're considering, like, whether a haunted attraction is for you, consider how long it's been there.
Speaker B:
I'd read reviews, especially when it comes to this kind of stuff, and consider whether or not you want to take kids there.
Speaker B:
Because in some of the situations, the range of horrors that were happening in terms of sexual assault, it began at groping, right?
Speaker B:
So like, some people were like, I was just groped and didn't come forward until other people did.
Speaker B:
So, like, this would be happening for a long time.
Speaker B:
And people were like, oh, it was an accident.
Speaker B:
They didn't mean to do it.
Speaker B:
And like, it was happening more often than it was actually being reported, I believe.
Speaker B:
And like, I can say that, like, I've been in haunted attractions where I was like, touched in a way that I.
Speaker B:
That was not okay.
Speaker B:
But I was like, oh, they just bumped into me.
Speaker B:
It wasn't that I mistook this.
Speaker B:
And I wonder how often that in particular happens where people are touched inappropriately and they're chalking it off to a mistake when it is absolutely not.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Horrifying.
Speaker B:
Horrifying.
Speaker B:
So so far we've talked about terrible things happening because of Scare actors mostly, but sometimes terrible things are happening to them as well.
Speaker B:
A drunk guest at the YND JC's haunted house attacked employees when he was asked to leave.
Speaker B:
And he hadn't even gotten into the haunted house yet.
Speaker A:
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:
He had been Bothering other people in line, and that's why he was asked to leave.
Speaker B:
He ended up attacking several of the employees and punched one of them in the face, causing a bloody nose.
Speaker B:
He was arrested and charged with assault and battery at the o' Keefe Ranch Halloween Maze, which seems to be a field of screams.
Speaker B:
Location, several of the scare actors were attacked with a crutch by a guest.
Speaker A:
Oh, no.
Speaker B:
Then at Oklahoma's Ultimate Terror's haunted house, Julio Abrola Jimenez shoved his hands into a scare actor's face and hit her nose.
Speaker B:
He also was charged with assault and battery.
Speaker B:
Then in Utah, Angelo Dimitri Apadaca was arrested after he attacked a scare actor at the night Nightmare on 13th street attraction.
Speaker B:
He walked up to the scared actor and punched her in the face.
Speaker B:
And he laughed as he walked away and was later overheard saying that hitting her was funny.
Speaker B:
Get.
Speaker A:
Dude.
Speaker B:
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Apodaca was charged with aggravated assault, which is a third degree felony.
Speaker A:
Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:
Yes.
Speaker B:
Then in Pinellas County, Florida, Incus Shusser was arrested after he hit the owner of a haunted house attraction in the eye with a toy gun.
Speaker B:
That sucks.
Speaker B:
Right in the eye.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And at first you heed it like, oh, with a toy gun.
Speaker B:
How bad could it be?
Speaker B:
But it was bad enough, and because Amanda's gonna explain to you why in a second.
Speaker A:
So the owner was dressed as a statue, but was not a scare actor.
Speaker A:
Now, Ingus hit him so hard with the toy gun's handle that the victim began to bleed under his eye.
Speaker A:
Afterwards, Ingus was apologetic and simply said that he thought the man was a statue while laughing.
Speaker B:
But why are you hitting anything there?
Speaker A:
I don't know.
Speaker B:
That's silly.
Speaker A:
So then Angus tried to flee from the attraction, but was stopped by the owner, and he was arrested soon after.
Speaker A:
He was charged with aggravated battery and possession of a bulletproof vest in the commission of a felony.
Speaker B:
So, like, presumably that means that he's wearing a bulletproof vest at the time of this, like, instance.
Speaker B:
But, like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker A:
He just knew he was going to be a.
Speaker A:
And like.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:
Yeah, that.
Speaker A:
That's very strange.
Speaker A:
That's a weird one.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Now, this next one.
Speaker A:
The incident itself is not funny, but it's just so ridiculous that it's kind of humorous how ridiculous it is.
Speaker B:
Well, yeah.
Speaker B:
It's also like, the headline of it is, like, what?
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
This caught my attention right away.
Speaker A:
The headline is, karate Expert breaks Haunted House Ghost jaw.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
So horrific for the person that happened to but just the aftermath is just.
Speaker A:
You'll see why.
Speaker A:
So this incident took place in a haunted house in Japan and ended with.
Speaker B:
A super weird lawsuit.
Speaker A:
So I think we've all known someone who just punches when they get scared, right?
Speaker A:
Like we talked about it in our Hammersmith episode two, where they were trying to punch the ghost because they got scared.
Speaker A:
And like, I don't know if you.
Speaker B:
Have any friends that are like, I.
Speaker A:
Can'T go to haunted houses because I'll punch them accidentally.
Speaker A:
I don't know.
Speaker A:
That's the thing.
Speaker A:
People punch when they get scared.
Speaker B:
Well, I also think, like, it's fair to like, look, man, I don't know the lives people have lived.
Speaker B:
If when you feel attacked in a startled manner, you're like, oh, I'm gonna punch.
Speaker B:
There's times that I'm like, if you're startled because someone walks into a room, you've gotta.
Speaker B:
You gotta lock that down.
Speaker B:
You can't start punching people because they're walking into rooms because you're easily startled.
Speaker B:
But like, yeah, you know, if someone with a knife is coming at you and your gut reaction is to punch them.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
Like that kind of makes sense.
Speaker B:
Just maybe you don't go to haunted houses just like Amanda said, because you're like, yeah, this is not a good idea for me.
Speaker A:
Yes, yes.
Speaker A:
So in this particular haunted house, a patron took it a bit further than that.
Speaker A:
In September of:
Speaker A:
And just to note, because I was like, I don't know what this is.
Speaker A:
This place looks really interesting.
Speaker A:
From our understanding, it's kind of like a Universal Studios backlot tour.
Speaker A:
A living history museum and Six Flags merged into one.
Speaker B:
That's a lot.
Speaker B:
But yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker A:
It looks really cool.
Speaker A:
And its theme is the Edo period Japan.
Speaker A:
Roughly like:
Speaker A:
Ish.
Speaker A:
And it has a heavy focus on samurai, ninja and historical drama.
Speaker A:
Like, it's hard to imagine.
Speaker B:
Okay, that's very specific.
Speaker B:
But yeah, I like it.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker A:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:
But the most exciting part for me is that it's run by Toei, one of Japan's biggest film studios, who is also famous for Super Sentai, which is what the Power Rangers is an adaptation of, and they use some of its footage.
Speaker A:
Oh.
Speaker B:
Amanda in her nerd version.
Speaker B:
Like her different nerd version.
Speaker B:
I like Power Rangers.
Speaker A:
Who doesn't like Power Rangers?
Speaker B:
Freaks.
Speaker B:
I don't dislike Power Rangers.
Speaker B:
But if someone was like, oh, this is the thing.
Speaker B:
It's based off of.
Speaker B:
I go, oh, cool.
Speaker B:
I wouldn't know.
Speaker B:
Like, I wouldn't know what it was.
Speaker A:
Fair, fair.
Speaker A:
But they had, like, this.
Speaker A:
I don't know if it's still there, but they had a whole thing around all of the Power Rangers costumes over the years.
Speaker A:
Like, they had kind of like a little museum thing.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
I mean, that's cool to see, like, how it evolved.
Speaker A:
Yeah, I thought it was cool.
Speaker A:
I saw a few pictures as I was looking it up.
Speaker A:
But anyways, so this group of people, they're exploring the theme park, and they decide to check out the haunted house attraction.
Speaker B:
Now, one of the members of the group was a karate Yudinsha, which means that they are a black belt rank, which also has a dan rank.
Speaker B:
Just have that in your head.
Speaker B:
And they had been drinking as well.
Speaker A:
Not a good combination.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And so he walked in and he's holding one of the other members of his group's hands.
Speaker B:
And we weren't sure whether it was affectionate or, like, to steady themselves because they were nervous.
Speaker B:
But either way, it does not help.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
So as they walk through the haunted attraction, a scare actor dressed as a ghost approached them.
Speaker B:
And as soon as they did, the unnamed karate pro kicked the park employee in the face so hard, he broke his fucking jaw.
Speaker B:
That's fucking hard.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And so, not surprisingly, a lawsuit followed, and the ghost was seeking compensation.
Speaker B:
And in:
Speaker B:
And it did not end there.
Speaker B:
The man then decided to file his own lawsuit against the theme park's managing company, saying that they were also responsible for the incident and should have a share of the financial burden that he had to pay.
Speaker B:
And his claims were the following.
Speaker B:
One, there was no partition or physical barrier between the ghosts and the visitors.
Speaker B:
The park didn't train its employees to avoid attacks from the customers.
Speaker A:
I cackled writing that because all I thought of is, like, I read that in Dwight Schrute's voice.
Speaker A:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:
Like, you should be ready at all times for an attack.
Speaker B:
He stays ready.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
He's always talking about how the office isn't ready for attacks.
Speaker A:
And like, what?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
So then he also included that the park failed to adequately inform customers that the haunted house contained human workers who acted as ghosts.
Speaker A:
He thought they could be real ghosts.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
It's like, do you think you're going to kick a real ghost in the chawl?
Speaker B:
But anyway, so he also alleged the park shouldn't have even let the karate expert into the haunted house because he had been drinking.
Speaker B:
I do just want to point out, though, that in all of these things, what I'm not hearing is a workman's comp claim.
Speaker B:
Because all of this, it feels a bit of a stretch.
Speaker B:
Obviously, I do not know Japanese civil law, but in the us, right?
Speaker B:
Like, if you were hurt while you were doing your job and you're not, like, fucking around sometimes, even if you're fucking around, but if you get hurt as a result of your job, like, you can get some compensation based on that.
Speaker B:
And so I find it interesting that's not a part of this, because unless maybe he signed some waiver that he would, like, be cool with it.
Speaker B:
But that's wild.
Speaker B:
But I do think that last one about the drinking makes sense because, yeah, you shouldn't let intoxicated people come in and attack your employees.
Speaker B:
Like, that's just bad.
Speaker A:
But also, was he holding a drink in his hand?
Speaker A:
Like, how are they to know?
Speaker B:
That's fair.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Like, was he stumbling around or was that, like, after the fact when his jaw was broken and everyone was like, clearly very, like, huh.
Speaker B:
You could then kind of tell when the lights were on and stuff.
Speaker B:
Can you tell then versus, you know, someone you're stumbling through a haunted attraction because it's kind of dark.
Speaker B:
You don't know where you're going.
Speaker B:
You're scared.
Speaker B:
I could see how.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
It's hard to tell if someone's drunk.
Speaker A:
I think of, like, a theme park, like Disneyland, right?
Speaker A:
They have drinks now.
Speaker A:
You could get drinks at, like, California Adventure.
Speaker A:
I wouldn't have been like, oh, that person's drunk.
Speaker A:
They shouldn't go on this ride.
Speaker A:
This one's fine, though.
Speaker A:
You know, like, they're all just waiting in line and, like, being shuffled in that.
Speaker A:
It would be hard to tell if he was acting appropriately.
Speaker B:
So for Universal, their Halloween horror nights, the last time we were there, I, like, I will go to haunted attractions, but I do not enjoy them.
Speaker B:
I'm like, I've had enough trauma in my life.
Speaker B:
I just don't want someone to scare me on accident.
Speaker B:
I just don't want.
Speaker B:
I don't, like, enjoy feeling scared by a stranger, you know?
Speaker B:
Like, that's just not fun for me.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
But one of the things that I thought was funny is that it really helped me not be so scared.
Speaker B:
Because every time there was a scare actor, there was a secure security guard right across from them.
Speaker B:
So I knew every time there was going to be a scare actor.
Speaker A:
Yeah, I like to go first When I go to haunted houses, because they're always going to get the person who's more scared.
Speaker B:
Yes.
Speaker A:
So when I go first and I just point behind me, I just walk around.
Speaker B:
Well, and also when you're in a group, whoever's first is always doing that.
Speaker B:
They're always pointing to the people behind them, pointing us out.
Speaker B:
Disrespectful.
Speaker A:
Go first.
Speaker B:
So I think.
Speaker B:
I think I have sometimes, but not always.
Speaker A:
Okay, so back to our poor ghost's broken jaw.
Speaker A:
In:
Speaker A:
Which is kind of crazy.
Speaker A:
The man was not done yet, though.
Speaker A:
He appealed and upped his request for the park to now cover 7 million.
Speaker B:
Okay, okay.
Speaker A:
He's relentless.
Speaker A:
A few months later, the high court ruled again in the park's favor and said that there was no need to fight back as the ghost was not attacking customers.
Speaker B:
Hmm.
Speaker A:
Also, the kick went, quote, beyond the scope of reflexive action taken out of sheer fear.
Speaker B:
I mean, I think that that's fair.
Speaker B:
It's also interesting that when you're thinking of somebody who is a trained fighter.
Speaker B:
So, okay, you're a person who is not like, classically trained to fight, right?
Speaker B:
You punch someone in the face, they die.
Speaker B:
You likely like, fck, right?
Speaker B:
You probably weren't like, this could happen.
Speaker B:
You're a person who is a heavily skilled fighter.
Speaker B:
That's actually your job.
Speaker B:
You punch someone in the face, they die.
Speaker B:
There's a difference, right?
Speaker B:
Like, there's a difference in the expected outcome of that moment.
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
Like in one of those situations, you're like, I punched them once.
Speaker B:
I really did not think that would happen.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
Like, we were fighting versus.
Speaker B:
Yeah, you hit somebody as a skilled person, right?
Speaker B:
And I think that that's.
Speaker B:
That really is like.
Speaker B:
The difference here is that this wasn't just like a random person kicking someone.
Speaker B:
And also, if I was a scare actor, I would imagine, like, I would generally be aware that people might throw a punch, right?
Speaker B:
Like just out of fright, but like a kick, there's kind of like no way to break that.
Speaker B:
Because if it was hard enough to break his jaw, I think if he, like, tried to block with his hands, he may have ended up breaking his arm.
Speaker A:
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:
That's.
Speaker B:
If you're kicking that hard, you're kicking that hard.
Speaker A:
But you wouldn't expect that to happen.
Speaker A:
Even if you're doing another day of work and you're like, I'm just playing a ghost.
Speaker A:
And then they're like, actually, I'm gonna break your jaw.
Speaker B:
Exactly.
Speaker B:
So we've talked about some of the scary things going on at haunted houses other than just the general attractions themselves.
Speaker B:
But let's just talk a little bit about how to stay safe at them.
Speaker B:
So before you go in, ask where the exits are or note them if they're visible.
Speaker B:
This is because not only, like, just generally, when you go into a space, you should kind of have an idea of where the exits are because of, like, in case of whatever.
Speaker B:
But if something happens, you want to be able to leave.
Speaker B:
You don't want to have to go through the rest of the attraction for sure.
Speaker B:
Verify what the policies are before you go in.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
Is there a no touching policy?
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
If that's the case and someone does touch you, the next scare actor you come into contact with, be like, I actually need to talk to someone right now because something's going on, and you.
Speaker B:
You know this asap.
Speaker B:
And then depending on the extent of the contact, you can either leave the attraction.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
Like, you can just leave because you already know the exit, or talk to someone else and then secure your belongings so you don't lose any valuables.
Speaker B:
Because if you drop your cell phone, like, that might be gone.
Speaker B:
And if other scary things are going on, you want to make sure you have it.
Speaker B:
And look, it sounds boring, it is boring, but read the rules of what.
Speaker B:
Of, like, what can happen while you're in there.
Speaker B:
And I would also just, like, consider, I don't know, do a cost benefit analysis of the things that could happen versus if you want to go in there, I would say look at reviews, see if you see anything weird going on.
Speaker B:
I'd also, you know, do you want to necessarily spend three hours researching every haunted attraction?
Speaker B:
No.
Speaker B:
But if it's a place where, you know, people that, like, who have gone there, I'd ask them about it.
Speaker B:
Like, hey, like, does it seem like they have a bunch of kids who work there?
Speaker B:
Or are these adults?
Speaker B:
Because typically, like, places that hire children.
Speaker A:
Right.
Speaker B:
No worries.
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
Like, if a teenager wants to get a job somewhere, okay, great.
Speaker B:
Love that for them.
Speaker B:
But I would also just consider who else they might be might be employing.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
Like, I would think of that.
Speaker B:
Because who knows who could be there, you know?
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
But also, they can be great fun if it is safe and if it's a good place and if the people who are creating the attraction are doing so for you to have a good experience, not just to make money, which it could Be both.
Speaker B:
That's true.
Speaker B:
But not just to make money.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
And I mean a lot of these were like just poor judgment at that moment.
Speaker B:
A lot of these were.
Speaker B:
I would say it was some of the sexual assault ones.
Speaker B:
I would say not so much because sometimes.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:
No, I mean like those weren't just like a one time thing for the most part.
Speaker B:
It was like it was happening several times and sometimes it was the owners of the attractions.
Speaker A:
Yeah, that sucks.
Speaker A:
But, but yeah, for the, the other situations, those were just very bad decision making skills there.
Speaker A:
Yes, I guess everything is technically.
Speaker A:
But anyways, so we want to know, do you have any weird local Halloween rules or laws?
Speaker A:
Because now I'm like invested in this.
Speaker A:
It's so strange to me.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Or do are your neighbors where they're like, no trick or treating or like, does your HOA have a rude ass law where you can't.
Speaker B:
I say law.
Speaker B:
A weird ass rule being like, you can't do this, you can't do that.
Speaker B:
Because I would imagine that there's a lot of HOAs that have a lot of opinions on Halloween generally.
Speaker A:
Literally how you breathe.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
But we want to know, and also if you have any crazy run ins or like haunted house stories, tell us about it, all of it in our bat bonfire.
Speaker A:
We'd love to hear about it.
Speaker B:
Yeah, always.
Speaker B:
We always want to know everybody's stories.
Speaker A:
Yes, yes.
Speaker B:
It's also never too early to start sending us your scary stories for next year's podiversary episode.
Speaker B:
That's true.
Speaker B:
Never.
Speaker A:
We also really, really, really need to know what your Halloween plans are and what you're going to be.
Speaker A:
Because it's so exciting to me.
Speaker A:
I love seeing everyone's costumes.
Speaker B:
I mean, I think the most important question is, what's Oliver going to be this year?
Speaker B:
Oh.
Speaker B:
Because he's got like the weird ass things and now they've got a 3D printer.
Speaker B:
Like, oh, fuck, Amanda, you fucked.
Speaker B:
Oh, fuck.
Speaker B:
But yeah.
Speaker B:
Does he know what he wants to be yet?
Speaker A:
Yeah, he's decided last week he wants to be a modern tv.
Speaker B:
Like a flat screen.
Speaker B:
Yep.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
Interesting.
Speaker A:
Yep.
Speaker A:
Because I was like, oh, a tv, no problem.
Speaker A:
Like it's just a box.
Speaker A:
No, it's not.
Speaker B:
Theoretically.
Speaker B:
Could he be the wall and then you mount a TV on him?
Speaker A:
Kind of.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
I'm trying to figure out the logistics because last year he was a computer and it got a little heavy throughout the night because it had computer parts in it because it actually like all the parts ran.
Speaker B:
Okay, here's my.
Speaker B:
Here's My pitch, Get a TV box, cut out some arms and be like, go nuts, kid.
Speaker B:
Like, he's just a TV box.
Speaker B:
That's it, Right.
Speaker A:
I thought about that, but he's.
Speaker A:
He won't fit in the TV box.
Speaker A:
It's gonna have to be, like, on him.
Speaker A:
So I'll have to make some sort of harness again that's comfortable.
Speaker B:
Couldn't you do, like, a sandwich board?
Speaker A:
A what?
Speaker B:
Like a.
Speaker B:
Like a.
Speaker B:
There's a front, and there's a back, and then there's straps on the top.
Speaker A:
Yeah, you could, but I also need stuff.
Speaker A:
I need it to be sturdy enough so that I can make it light up or, like, look like a screen.
Speaker B:
The word need is very subjective here.
Speaker B:
Are you planning on dressing up my kid?
Speaker A:
I don't know yet.
Speaker A:
My.
Speaker A:
I normally put so much into his.
Speaker B:
Costume that I get, like, I. I run out of time every year.
Speaker A:
I'm like, oh, I'm gonna do this after.
Speaker A:
But, like, of course it's my kid.
Speaker A:
And he's, like, the king of Halloween costume contests.
Speaker B:
Bizarre Halloween costumes, too.
Speaker B:
Like, he was, like, a bookshelf one year.
Speaker B:
He was an Alexa.
Speaker A:
Like, an actual Amazon Alexa.
Speaker B:
Yeah, that one.
Speaker A:
That one was a good one.
Speaker A:
Um.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
He wanted to be not just a computer.
Speaker A:
He wanted to be his computer last year.
Speaker B:
Amazing.
Speaker B:
I love it.
Speaker B:
I'm so.
Speaker B:
I. I. I'm always curious about, like, I'm like, well, what does Ali want to be this year?
Speaker B:
Because Amanda typically, like, he's like, I want to be this.
Speaker B:
And she's like, heard.
Speaker B:
And then she, like, rocks it.
Speaker B:
She's like a Project Runway challenge.
Speaker B:
She's like, got it.
Speaker B:
I want it, like, heard.
Speaker B:
Will do.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
He was a.
Speaker A:
What was it?
Speaker A:
Was it two years ago or.
Speaker A:
Yeah, two years ago.
Speaker A:
He was a fridge.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
And he needed it to open and have contents and light up like a normal bridge.
Speaker B:
Damn.
Speaker A:
But it was very cute because the dogs were chefs.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
I mean, 10 out of 10.
Speaker B:
Adorable.
Speaker A:
He's very excited.
Speaker A:
We're hoping that potato is cleared for activity so that he could go trick or treating too.
Speaker B:
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
So you could have one of them be, like, a remote control and another like a bowl of popcorn.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker B:
That's cute.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
I need to figure it out.
Speaker A:
I need to see.
Speaker A:
I normally.
Speaker A:
I'm already, like, halfway done with this.
Speaker B:
Costume, and I haven't even started yet.
Speaker A:
Yet.
Speaker A:
So we'll see.
Speaker B:
Yeah, you've got some time.
Speaker A:
What are you guys going to be?
Speaker B:
So I'll never say what we are before the actual Halloween.
Speaker B:
Because my brother has a Halloween costume contest at his party each year.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
But I think that a lot of people this year are going to be Gladys.
Speaker B:
I think a lot of people are going to be Gladys this year.
Speaker A:
I think a lot of kids are going to be the K Pop Demon hunters.
Speaker B:
Oh, yeah, we're going to see a lot of that.
Speaker B:
I hope.
Speaker B:
I see a lot of the tiger as well on the magpie.
Speaker A:
I mean, you could always be a tv.
Speaker B:
I think I'm good on being a tv.
Speaker B:
Maybe a fridge.
Speaker A:
Perhaps an Alexa.
Speaker B:
I do a bookshelf.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Although people were getting really weird with the bookshelf and they're like, is he a one night stand?
Speaker A:
And I'm like, ew, he's a child.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
I'm like, he's a fucking bookshelf.
Speaker A:
Obviously.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Like, obviously he's a bookshelf.
Speaker B:
You absolute fucking nightmare.
Speaker B:
Like, why would you say that?
Speaker B:
If he was an adult, it's one thing, but, like, as a. I don't like that.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker B:
It was weird.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Freaks.
Speaker B:
So we want to know what you're getting into for Halloween or also, like, are there cool, spooky events coming up?
Speaker B:
Is it here?
Speaker B:
Is it someplace else?
Speaker B:
Please share them in the bat bonfire and let everybody else know.
Speaker B:
Like we.
Speaker B:
Everybody wants to know all the cool stuff happening in spooky season.
Speaker B:
So share them with us.
Speaker B:
Or put it in the bat bonfire.
Speaker B:
We'll pop it up in our.
Speaker B:
If it's on, you know, Instagram, we'll pop it in our stories.
Speaker B:
But if you put it in the bat bonfire, like one.
Speaker B:
Everybody wants to know.
Speaker B:
But maybe you also make a cool new spooky friend to go to school.
Speaker B:
Spooky things with you.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
If you're in another state, you know.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
And if.
Speaker A:
Especially if you dress up, we want to see it.
Speaker A:
And a million percent if your pets dress up, we need to see it.
Speaker A:
It's like mandatory.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
But just keep in mind that if you are in Illinois, your pet can't be smoking.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker A:
Don't let them smoke and don't make faces at them.
Speaker B:
We do not support pet smoking and do not make faces at them.
Speaker B:
Also let us know what you're watching.
Speaker B:
I want to know all the spooky things people are watching this year, especially if it's a new one.
Speaker B:
Something strange, something cool.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Weird.
Speaker A:
I like when they make.
Speaker A:
When people make the.
Speaker A:
A calendar of, like, each day a certain theme and then they find a movie that, like, goes with that theme.
Speaker A:
Those are really fun.
Speaker B:
I think that's fun.
Speaker B:
But I'm also like, I can't commit to this every day, but I can.
Speaker A:
Oh, yeah, I can't watch the episode.
Speaker A:
Maybe.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I like, I was like, oh, I think I'm gonna post, like, the spooky stuff that I'm watching.
Speaker B:
But, like, I'm just not gonna give myself the pressure of it, like, being a daily thing.
Speaker B:
Because I was like, I don't.
Speaker B:
Like, I don't have the time every.
Speaker A:
Day to watch a thing.
Speaker B:
I wish I did.
Speaker B:
Me with my reading schedule, with how much I read for fun.
Speaker B:
I can't also watch a movie every day if I'm gonna read for an hour every day.
Speaker B:
I mean, I wish I could, but that sounds.
Speaker B:
It's just.
Speaker B:
It's a lot of commitment.
Speaker B:
You know what I mean?
Speaker B:
That I just can't do.
Speaker A:
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker A:
That's fair.
Speaker B:
And with that, have a great weekend.
Speaker A:
Thanks for creeping with us.
Speaker B:
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Speaker A:
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Speaker A:
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Speaker B:
Ooh.
Speaker B:
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Speaker B:
I beg of you.
Speaker B:
Look, Amanda, I've decided we're gonna put this at the end of the episode, but.
Speaker B:
Okay, sorry.
Speaker B:
Up until:
Speaker B:
Like, they, like, undid the law, if you will, because it was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker B:
But, like, straight to jail.
Speaker B:
Straight to jail.
Speaker B:
Animals couldn't be hunted on Sundays except for raccoons.
Speaker B:
What is raccoon like?
Speaker B:
Okay, before the recent.
Speaker B:
Mm.
Speaker B:
So you could hunt raccoons until 2:00am on Sunday mornings.
Speaker A:
Like, 201.
Speaker A:
Straight to jail.
Speaker B:
Straight to jail.
Speaker B:
Like, what?
Speaker B:
And then when the bars close, you.
Speaker A:
Have to stop hunting raccoons too.
Speaker B:
What?
Speaker B:
You can't go home, but, like, you don't have to stay.
Speaker B:
What is it?
Speaker B:
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
Speaker B:
And you also can't hunt raccoons.
Speaker B:
Like, that should be like, they're saying there, but also in Virginia, a woman can't be tickled but men can be tickled.
Speaker A:
I can't.
Speaker B:
I can't.
Speaker B:
And they also have.
Speaker B:
You have to honk at somebody if you're passing them.
Speaker B:
Unnecessary.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Next up in Los Angeles, their municipal code prohibits anyone to possess, use or sell silly string from midnight on October.
Speaker B:
Thirst.
Speaker B:
Thirst.
Speaker B:
On midnight on October 1st.
Speaker B:
Oh my gosh.
Speaker B:
On midnight.
Speaker B:
From October 31st to midnight.
Speaker A:
To midnight.
Speaker B:
Perhaps on midnight.
Speaker B:
Man in man on midnight.
Speaker B:
On midnight also.
Speaker B:
Amanda, please, when you're doing this, just like don't even edit this part.
Speaker B:
Just put it right at the end.
Speaker B:
Don't even.
Speaker B:
Just add it as it is.
Speaker B:
Let them really sink in.
Speaker B:
In my soup brain.
Speaker A:
The last episode I edited, you're talking about your cold Werther's.
Speaker B:
My cold Werther's are very important to who I am.
Speaker A:
That's the new thing coming up on every episode.
Speaker A:
How many cold words weathers does Linds.
Speaker B:
Cabinet fridge at the moment it's also how can I work cold Werthers into the conversation?
Speaker B:
Like, can I get it in there in a way that feels like natural?
Speaker B:
Because it.
Speaker B:
I mean that did make sense as to why I brought it up.
Speaker B:
It wasn't like, oh yeah, like they were eating dinner.
Speaker B:
Sometimes I eat cold wers.
Speaker B:
Even that I feel like that that kind of.
Speaker B:
We're talking about eating.
Speaker B:
It tracks.
Speaker B:
It's more like he went for a drive and I'm.
Speaker B:
Well, sometimes I eat cold wers.
Speaker B:
That's something I do sometimes.
Speaker B:
We'll see.
Speaker B:
Let's see how many times I can slip.
Speaker B:
I can see how much she remembers this.
Speaker B:
I almost said, let's see how many times I could slip it in.
Speaker B:
Ew.
Speaker B:
Ew.
Speaker B:
Lindsay.
Speaker B:
The end of this episode's gonna be a fucking a ride.
Speaker B:
So the whole episode.
Speaker B:
The whole episode.
Speaker A:
th of:
Speaker A:
And as an 11 year old boy who was almost a 12 year old boy, by the way.
Speaker A:
For you, Lindsay.
Speaker B:
Don't say for me.
Speaker B:
Just in case someone's never listened.
Speaker B:
That's how we measure people and things and everything.
Speaker B:
Honestly, in 12 year old course.
Speaker B:
Of course not.
Speaker B:
11 year olds I like.
Speaker A:
I thought you'd get excited that we're finally talking about 12 year old.
Speaker B:
Don't say that I'm gonna get excited to talk about 12 year old boys.
Speaker B:
This all sounds very bad.
Speaker B:
We use 12 year old boy math because Americans will measure use anything but actual measurements.
Speaker B:
And we decided to 12 year old boys back in our lake linear episode versus Amanda making me sound deeply problematic, which I am not Goodness.
Speaker B:
Goodness.
Speaker B:
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
Like, right.
Speaker B:
And I just.
Speaker B:
I seriously.
Speaker B:
Again, speaking so seriously.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:
Like, I even.
Speaker B:
I was like, what's my mouth, man?
Speaker B:
It's worse than normal.
Speaker A:
In a statement from National.
Speaker B:
Well, with that.
Speaker B:
Happy Halloween.
Speaker B:
Halloween.
Speaker B:
Oh, my God.
Speaker A:
Halloween, Halloween, Halloween.
Speaker B:
I'm not gonna say it because it's not Halloween and we have a Halloween episode.
239.Halloween: Weird Laws & Scary Happenings at Haunted Attractions
00:59:39
238.5th Podiversary Episode: Listener Stories
01:03:25
237.The Candy Woman
00:44:19
236.Four Peaks Brewery Paranormal Investigation
02:49:31
235.The Murder of Bud & June Runion
00:33:58
234.Doll Chat 3
01:18:04
233.The Wallingford Shoebox Murder
00:41:34
232.Bootin', Scootin', and Shootin' with the Enfield Monster (the capture of Macey)
00:59:30
231.True Crime Digest 21: Mercedes Vega, Dyatlov Pass, Asha Degree, Donald Studey, and the murders of Erin Bellanger; Michelle Nathan; Roberto Gonzalez; Anthony Vega; Francisco Ayo-Roman; and Jonathan Gleason (AKA the Deltona Massacre)
00:53:47
230.Spooky Travel: Flagstaff's Hotel Monte Vista
00:58:14
229.The Unsolved Murders of Lisa Gurrieri & Brandon Rumbaugh
00:44:15
228.Berserkers
00:50:04
229.Treasure Chest: Investigation
01:20:25
227.London's Haunted History: The Hammersmith Story
00:55:10
226.St. Augustine Lighthouse Investigation
01:22:13
225.The Trial Against Lori Vallow Daybell for the Conspiracy to Murder Charles Vallow
01:36:57
224.Mandy Rose Reynolds
00:36:59
223.Spooky Travel: Cassadaga, Florida
01:02:50
222.The Torture & Murder of Sam Nordquist
00:41:28
221.The Medical Mystery at Riverside General Hospital: Gloria Ramirez's Story
00:51:36
220.Cryptids: The Alkali Lake Monster & Friends
01:02:45
219.Doll Chat: Succubus MOST HAUNTED Bleeding Eyes Kitty-Cat Lamb Boy in the Doorway Pug Positive NICE but MOST EVIL 5pc
01:20:54
218.Spooky Travel: St. Augustine, Florida & its Lighthouse
01:04:59
217.Pal-entines: besties getting justice (the disappearance of Danny Goldman & the murder of Daisy De La O)
01:02:28
216.Mannequin Murders: The murders of Dolly Davis, Kathleen Gouldin, Iva Watson, & Evelyn Dieterich
00:50:05
215.The Disappearance and Murder of Emmishae Kirby
00:39:40
214.Werewolves & Lycanthropy (Wolfman)
00:49:00
213.Time Slips
01:12:10
212.Christmas True Crime: The Mysterious Disappearance of the Sodder Children
01:09:18
211.Creepy Inspirations Behind Coraline: From Fairy Tales to Urban Legends
00:40:13
210.True Crime Digest 20: Asha Degree; Mercedes Vega; the murder of David Yeager possibly by Danny Rollings; Leola Etta Bryant identified as Samuel Little victim
00:36:14
209.Florence & The Ghost (Sir William Crooke's Experiments (and love??)
00:45:34
208.The Murders of Pauline Reade, John Kilbride, Keith Bennett, Lesley Ann Downey, and Edward Evans (The Moor Murders)
01:05:02
207.Halloween 2024: Spirit Photography
01:08:05
206.Halloween True Crime 3: The Murder of John Altinger by Mark Twitchell
01:08:19
205.The Blair Witch: Inspiration and the Filming of the Movie
01:11:13
204.4th Podiversary: Listener Stories
01:09:56
203.Urban Legends: Organ Harvesting
00:38:23
202.Cryptids: The Owlman of Mawnan Wood
00:42:01
201.Bloody Benders: A Family of Serial Killers
00:53:17
200.The Grinning Man: Indrid Cold (Mothman's side kick?), Urban Legend, or Something Else?
01:18:16
199.Spooky Travel: The Driskill Hotel, Austin, TX
00:48:12
198.Friggin' Worms
00:57:53
197.The Sacred Mushrooms of Sierra Mazateca
00:42:38
196.Jakub & Ondrej
01:38:07
195.Haunted Dolls 4
00:34:00
194.Traditionally Creepy
00:52:13
193.Béla Lugosi's Mirror
00:53:37
192.Spooky Travel: The Millennium Biltmore Hotel - Los Angeles
145.True Crime Digest 16: Dr. John Forsyth; Daniel Robinson; Shopping Cart Killer; West Memphis 3; Lori Vallow/ Chad Daybell Cases; Villisca Axe Murder House
01:08:32
144.Carl Tanzler's Obsession: Elena de Hoyos
00:57:11
143.Haunted Houses: Sales, Stories, and The Ghostbusters Ruling
111.The Avril Lavigne Conspiracy (Halloween Shorts)
00:28:18
110.Strange Ways to Die: Sinkholes (Halloween Shorts)
00:18:18
109.The Deadly Pepsi Contest (Halloween Shorts)
00:32:20
108.Untucked Tootsies (Halloween Shorts)
00:25:39
107.A Couple of Curses (Halloween Shortie)
00:21:24
106.Haunted Hotels: Jerome, AZ
00:51:54
105.2nd Podiversary Episode: Listener Stories
01:05:44
104.Vallow & Daybell Update September 2022
01:23:46
103.Hocus Pocus
01:11:17
102.The Murders of Barbara Raposa, Karen Marsden, & Doreen Levesque (Fall River Cult Killings): Bridgewater Triangle & Satanic Panic III
01:32:58
101.More Haunted Dolls
00:32:32
100.Mothman: Origins
01:05:24
99.Cryptids: Sheepsquatch & The Ozark Howler
00:54:37
98.Stranger Things: Inspiration & History
01:08:14
97.Vallow & Daybell Update August 2022
00:54:19
96.True Crime Digest 14: Daniel Robinson, Jelani Day, West Memphis 3, Hugo Osorio Chavez, Molly Bish, Andrés Mendoza
00:55:43
95.Mayan Legends
00:52:08
94.The Power [St]Ranger Curse: Murder, Fraud, Violence, and Death
01:03:58
93.Lake Lanier
01:09:17
92.The Odd & Outrageous Origins of Children's Stories
00:56:06
91.Deltona Massacre: The murders of Erin Bellanger; Michelle Nathan; Roberto Gonzalez; Anthony Vega; Francisco Ayo-Roman; and Jonathan Gleason
00:57:19
90.Creepy Scientific Discoveries: Sharkcanos, Sinkholes, and Zombies
01:03:21
89.True Crime Digest 13: Daniel Robinson; Joseph Bolduc; Taryn Summers; Jelani Day; Daniel Brophy; Crystal Turner and Kylen Shulte; Michelle Guse, Lori Farmer, and Denise Milner (the Girl Scout Murders); Beth Redmond, Sonya Champ, Stephanie Harrison, and Tonita smith (victims of the Shopping Cart Killer)
00:42:41
88.Multiverse Travel: Vasile Gorgos, Pedro Ramirez & Carol Chase Elheney
01:00:14
87.Spooky Places: Thompson Park, Bodie, & The Island of Dolls
00:54:19
86.Vallow & Daybell Update May 2022
00:40:18
85.Satanic Panic Injustice: The Murders of Steven Branch, Christopher Byers & Michael Moore and the West Memphis Three (Jason Baldwin, Jessie Misskelley, & Damien Echols)
01:05:05
84.Ourang Medan
01:01:37
83.Satanic Panic 101
01:14:16
82.Bridgewater Triangle II: Hockomock Swamp, UFOS, Big Foot & Other Cryptids
00:44:56
81.Vallow & Daybell Update April 2022
00:12:46
80.True Crime Digest 12: Jubi Monsif, Daniel Robinson, Naomi Irion, Dyatlov Pass & Apple Airtags
00:50:02
79.April Fools: Killer Clowns & Pranks
00:58:23
78.Bridge Water Triangle I: History, Haunts & the Horrifying Taunton State Hospital
00:48:45
77.Julie Popovich
01:02:43
76.Ghostly Vengence
00:47:16
75.True Crime Digest 11
00:45:31
74.Shopping Cart Killer: The Murders of Sonya Champ, Tonita Smith, Stephanie Harrison, Cheyenne Brown, & Beth Redmon
00:37:44
73.Blobs
00:49:41
72.The Disappearance of Daniel Robinson
00:39:23
71.Vallow & Daybell Update February 2022
00:42:08
70.True Crime Digest 10
00:22:45
69.The Hotel Del Coronado Mystery
00:52:37
68.The Pine Barrens & The Jersey Devil
00:52:45
67.Vallow & Daybell Update January 2022
01:06:31
66.Doppelgängers
00:57:04
65.Christmas Monsters 2
00:29:22
64.True Crime Digest 9
00:36:08
63.Black Friday
00:56:50
62.Bunny Man
00:38:59
61.Vallow & Daybell Updates
01:09:51
60.True Crime Digest 8
01:23:28
59.Halloween True Crime 2
00:52:31
58.More Ghosts
01:03:47
57.Scream: The True Stories
01:02:01
56.Urban Legends: Loveland Frogman, Chullachaqui, Ningen, and the Crying Boy
00:53:42
55.1st Podiversary: Spooky Listener Stories
00:57:56
54.Belanglo Forest
00:55:39
53.The Denver Airport Conspiracies
00:59:13
52.Texas Killing Fields: 90's Victims & Killers
01:03:39
51.True Crime Digest 7
01:11:21
50.Mermaids
00:54:52
48.Dybbuk Box: Debunked
00:44:00
47.Friday the 13th
00:58:18
46.True Crime Digest 6
01:00:06
45.Texas Killing Fields: 80's Victims & Killers
00:58:02
44.Urban Legends: The Goatman of Pope Lick Creek, The Ship of Death, The Miniwashitu, and The Walking Man
00:33:53
43.Lori Vallow: Conspiracy Charges for Charles Vallow's Murder
00:57:17
42.Girl Scout Murders
01:03:31
41.True Crime Digest 5
00:52:57
40.Cursed: People
01:15:37
39.Texas Killing Fields: 70's Victims & Killers
00:40:28
38.Creepy Kids
00:46:20
37.True Crime Digest 4
00:16:56
36.Murder Charges Against Lori Vallow Daybell & Chad Daybell
01:05:46
35.The Woods
01:08:03
34.Murderous Marys
01:01:10
33.Brian Shaffer
01:17:57
32.True Crime Digest 3: Derek Chauvin, Linda Stoltzfoos, Lori Vallow Daybell, & Taryn Summers
00:57:30
31.Kendrick Johnson
01:20:20
30.Bloody Mary
01:05:50
29.Samuel Little
00:44:52
28.An Abundance of Skeletons
00:58:51
27.True Crime Digest 2: Kendrick Johnson, Lori Vallow Daybell, & Kay Day
01:11:11
bonusTrue Crêpes: Tasty Terror
00:14:53
26.Sea Monsters
01:03:24
25.Georgia Guidestones
01:03:47
24.Texas Killing Fields: Unsolved
00:44:17
23.True Crime Digest
01:01:53
22.Crime Fighting Critters
00:38:51
21.Haunted Dolls
00:56:35
20.Sinister Love: Vallow & Daybell
01:35:09
19.Hotels That Kill: Cecil Hotel, H.H. Holmes' Castle, & Hotel San Carlos
