In this episode of Arizona Agriculture Connection, Nicole sits down with Ben Menges of Menges Ranch, a fifth-generation rancher in Arizona. Ben shares his background and compares public land ranching in Arizona and New Mexico, highlighting political and operational differences. He discusses the complex relationship with federal agencies like the BLM and US Forest Service, including legal battles and the impact of regulations on daily operations. The conversation also covers protected species like the Mexican gray wolf and their significant financial impact on ranchers. Other topics include carbon sequestration by ranch lands, the nutritional needs of cattle in desert environments, and the importance of public lands for both ranching and recreation. Ben emphasizes the need for public understanding and support for ranching on public lands for the industry's sustainability and conservation of natural resources.