Is there a better way to measure the growth of some key sectors than simply GDP? UKHospitality says that relying on such measures alone means that we miss the wider economic and social impact that a sector can have, and it has launched a Social Productivity Index which it says is a new way to measure growth. Host Carwyn Jones is joined by Allen Simpson of UKHospitality, Rebecca Rigby of Bluestone Wales and Gwenllian Roberts of Grwp Llandrillo Menai to discuss what the inaugural Index tells us about the contribution of hospitality to the economy and society and why this matters for hospitality leaders, employees and policymakers.