Join us as we dive into the intriguing world of prophecy, a subject that sparks a variety of opinions and conversations. We're unpacking our personal journeys with the prophetic, shedding light on how it can be a powerful tool for encouragement and reconciliation rather than something to fear. We believe that everyone can engage with the prophetic—not just a select few—and through this episode, we aim to demystify what it really means to hear God and share His heart for others. Plus, we’re excited to announce our upcoming conference in Grapevine, Texas, where we’ll create a space for healing and connection, helping you to occupy your true self and hear God in the moment. So grab your headphones, and let's explore how prophecy can transform our lives and relationships!

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Takeaways:

1. In this episode, we explore the topic of prophecy and its significance in our spiritual journeys, emphasizing how it can empower us to hear God more clearly.
2. We believe that prophecy should not be seen as a tool for judgment or shame, but rather as a means to encourage and uplift one another in our true identities.
3. The upcoming Settled Conference aims to provide a healing space for individuals to connect with God, explore their identities, and experience community support.
4. A key takeaway is that prophecy is about recognizing and affirming the truth of who we are in Christ rather than merely predicting the future or flattering one another.
5. Our conversation highlights the importance of community in the prophetic process, as gathering together enhances our ability to hear from God more clearly.
6. Ultimately, we want to remind everyone that we need each other in our spiritual journeys, as we often have blind spots that others can help us see clearly.

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Welcome, you guys, to the Settled podcast.

This week we are talking about prophecy, which is kind of a hot topic.

People have lots of different opinions about prophecy, but I really enjoyed this conversation.

We have been operating in the prophetic for a really long time.

We have lots of different experiences about it, but this is an important conversation, especially if you're curious about the prophetic in any way.

That's right, we are.

Jason and Elizabeth settle.

We are here to help you occupy your true self, fear God in the moment and stop striving.

This week we're talking, continuing to talk, I should say, on hearing God, but from the standpoint of prophecy.

Yes.

And before we jump into that, we want to remind everyone or announce that we have a conference coming up in February.

So settled conference on February 26th and 27th here in the DFW in Grapevine, Texas.

We're so excited.

It'd be a Friday or, sorry, a Thursday night from 7 to 9 and then an all day Friday.

And by all day, we mean like nine to four.

Yes.

And we have worship by Bryce Cole.

Let's go, Bryce.

And our goal in this time, what is our goal?

It's really a healing space.

It's a well.

And speaking of space, it's a space that we want to hold for you to hear God.

And again, we say this a lot in our, in our podcast, occupy your true self, hear God in the moment, and stop striving.

And so in this conference, we hold a space for you to do all three of those things.

Talking about topics about original design and family of origin, hearing God, forgiveness, grief, rejection, the Holy Spirit, you know, just small, light topics over the course of a day and a half.

Well, and our heart for this is to give what we freely received.

We have been in some really powerful, really important spaces where God has done a deeply transformative work in our heart.

And we are committed to creating that same kind of environment for people who come.

So if you need a respite, know you, you need some time away.

You need to hear God on something really important.

If you feel like you're stuck in some patterns that you have been wanting to break free from and have not known how or even why you're stuck in the first place.

This is a space to do some exploration with the help of the Holy Spirit and really see some change.

Yeah, we do activations in the podcast, as many of you have heard the very end, we will hold space for you for a few minutes to ask God questions and to sit in what God is saying to you directly.

We do that at the conference, too.

It's a little more lengthy.

We'll spend sometimes 15, 20 minutes doing activation.

Some activations actually cause you to engage with a.

A process, meaning it might be going to a water bowl or it might be engaging in some sort of like, you know, activation that we get the body in mind.

Right.

It's.

It's a tangible experience to a spiritual reality that's happening inside of you.

Well, and I will say it's a.

It's a deeply personal conference.

Like, we're not going to ask you to get in groups, confess your deep, dark sin to your neighbor or anything.

Like that between you and the Lord.

Yeah.

But it's also powerful in community.

There's something so significant that happens when we get together in a room.

I know that I can viscerally, tangibly feel the presence of the Lord in a different way when I'm in the room with others who are, you know, experiencing similar presence.

And so there's the power of community that occurs at conference.

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Hey.

All right.

Prophecy.

Prophecy.

We are, like, especially casual.

If you're watching this on YouTube, you'll notice, like, we're real casual today.

Yeah.

We are headed to, in real time, a freedom, like, prophetic trip where we're doing ministry, we're teaching freedom, training some teams, but also ministering prophetically.

And so we wanted to just talk a little bit about that, what that means in our journeys with the prophetic.

Yeah, the prophetic is a large part of our life.

I mean, it really is a thing that I believe that we all can walk in.

I think sometimes if we're not careful, the prophetic can be this thing that the spiritually elite, if we have that category in our heart, our mind only can walk in.

But there's not really a spiritually elite because we're all at ground level at the cross.

And so I do love.

One of my favorite scriptures is the one in Revelation, and I believe it's revelation.

What are we talking about here?

1910.

I got it right.

But that the spirit of prophecy or the testimony of Jesus, I should say, is the spirit of prophecy.

So I think sometimes prophecy can be couched in a way and people can be fearful of it.

I know that I was early in my Christian walk because of how it was portrayed to me.

And it's like, if you're going to give me a prophetic word, you're going to call me out in front of people, I'm going to have my sins written on a whiteboard in the church and.

And I'm going to be publicly shamed, which sounds awful.

So no, thank you very much.

But when I thank you, when I thank you, when I think of the idea of the scripture that says that the spirit behind prophecy is that testimony of Jesus, then like, what is Jesus testifying over his people?

Yeah.

My issues with the prophetic are like, this is terrible.

So I've thought, why do people just go around saying nice things over one another?

That was my criticism.

It's so annoying.

Why so annoying?

Why are you just going around saying nice things over each other?

And honestly, this was like an accusing voice.

As I was leading a prophetic team and we were teaching how to give essentially encouragement to one another.

And that was that little voice in my head, like, all you're doing is just going around and saying nice things to one another, which honestly is not so bad.

But I don't want to just walk around flattering people.

Right.

There has to be something.

It's not.

A prophecy isn't a party trick to tell the future and impress your friends, nor is it to stroke one another's egos and just tell nice things to one another.

So I really was like, what is the point of this?

And honestly, it's that very testimony of Jesus scripture that has been so helpful and orienting to me.

Because the testimony of Jesus over a person is yes and amen according to the New Testament, everything in Christ is yes and amen.

Now, does that mean that everything is okay or like, wonderful or nice?

No, but it's not what's true the least.

Okay, wonderful, nice things about people are usually not what's most true about them.

And that's, I think, the insight that has been so helpful for me.

Yeah, I love it because, I mean, it can't come across that way.

So I hear what you're saying about how it could feel like we're just over there, like you're a nice person and you're a nice person, and you're a nice person, and it feels all warm and fuzzy like a Hallmark movie.

And it's.

And it's not.

That isn't necessarily the goal, per se.

Now, I'm not saying that we need to go and bust chops and be all rude and, and mean and aggressive, but what I, what I love about it is, like, it.

We're prophesying from the perspective of how Jesus sees us as people.

Yeah.

And so like, as, as a, as a parent, I'll use this as an example.

Like when I was raising our kids and as they got older and, and sometimes more difficult and difficulty doesn't mean that they were difficult.

I was learning myself.

So difficult that came from me, what the hell I was even doing.

So, like, how do I raise this child?

Right.

So, like, my, my, my ignorance mixed with, with them figuring out how to be a human being comes together.

And it's difficult.

But, but what helped me in that moment was going to the Lord and, and asking, you know, for Emily and our daughter and for Ethan, our son, God, who do you see when you see them?

Yes.

Like, I need, I need your perspective on how you see my children.

I know what I see, and it's about this much.

But what do you see?

And did that change their behavior?

No, no, they still did what they did, but it gave me a perspective about them.

So that when I came to them as a parent and they behaved a certain way, I wasn't saying, oh, you shouldn't do this, you should do this.

Which sounds very shaming talking down to them.

I'm saying, hey, whenever I see you, I see this in you.

And this kind of person doesn't behave this way.

Yeah, you're literally calling someone up into themselves.

Exactly.

So this was first made so, you know, our, our, our concerns or difficulties with the prophetic came from two different perspectives.

You're talking about that, like Old Testament, you know, thus saith the Lord, harsh voice, that almighty sounds shaming in a church and you want to avoid it.

And I'm like, everybody just seems so nice on the whole other extreme.

But there's this beautiful reality and the deep, deep, solid center of what the prophetic is designed for, and that's to call a person into the truth of who they are.

And I experienced this in the classroom a lot.

So years I taught school and, you know, I'm not going to go in and preach, you know, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as a.

As a public school teacher.

Yeah.

No, I don't imagine.

But I wanted the classroom to be a, A, A warm and welcoming place.

And I really did want the classroom to meet some of those deep identity needs that kids had as they were coming in and experiencing, you know, class with me.

Anyway, so one of my favorite projects was to do like a what does yous Name Mean?

Exercise at the beginning of the year.

And so often our names, like my name, Elizabeth, means consecrated to God.

And what is your name, Jason?

You know what it is.

Healer.

Healer.

So our names often have.

So there was often a way I could use the name that had been.

Now, it doesn't always land that way.

It doesn't always equal something that I can speak over a kid that comes from, you know, how their parents named them and speak that identity into them.

I could do exactly what we did with our kids, and that's ask the Lord for how he saw them and when somebody was especially difficult, like to be able to look them in the eye and speak to the highest common denominator, like speak to the highest value in them and not just devolve into a bunch of, like, behavior modification and correcting kids.

Because then you just sound, as a teacher, like a nag.

And it doesn't.

It doesn't actually influence a room anyway.

So I would operate in the prophetic regularly, like just speaking encouragement about the truth of who those kids were.

I see it in the counseling practice that we do.

In fact, when I train the counselors on our team, I will often talk about prophetic and how sitting in a counseling chair and talking to a client, you know, I'm not, you know, standing on the chair and declaring prophetically over them.

I mean, if the Lord gives me a word in that moment with a client and I feel like there's a prophetic thing that he is saying or a direction for them, then.

Then what I'm doing in my.

In my spirit or in my heart, you know, as they're talking to me, is I'm asking the Lord, what do I Do with that, like, do I declare it or do I direct it?

Because, and sometimes even this, this, this works in life and in general.

But like, when we feel that prophetic word, it's either to be declared or directed, meaning that if it's to be declared, then you say, elizabeth, I feel the Lord saying this to me for you, and then can I share it with you?

And then you share it.

If it's to be directed, then in a session or in life, I'm going to ask you questions and I'm going to guide you towards the thing that God's, you know, guiding you towards.

He's.

God's using me to guide you towards something.

So through questions, I'm going to guide you towards that reality.

And it helps not only to me not direct it to you, but it helps me to, to, to guide you to a thing and show you tools how to get to that thing for yourself.

So not every prophetic word is to be, like, declared.

Sometimes we have to direct a person towards it through questions.

And that's just a, A different way of doing that.

Well, that's just, that's revelation.

Sure.

Right.

Like, I can tell somebody something and they hear it, and it goes, like we say, in one ear and out the other.

But when somebody experiences that truth for themselves, it's a revelation.

And so sometimes that's the better way to approach a word is to invite God to really show them the truth about that in their own heart, and it becomes a spirit of revelation, still the testimony of Jesus.

Right.

And to say what I've already said, it gives them tools to then go, well, if I can ask these questions and get to a thing that God is saying with Jason or whoever sitting in front of me, then on my own with God, I can ask questions that can lead me to what he's saying about me.

And they're not relying upon another person.

Now, we do need each other.

I'm not saying that we don't need each other, but there are also times that when we do the prophetic, we're also training the person, we're equipping the saint to do the work of the ministry for themselves, too, in a certain way.

So to be able to say, hey, we're doing this together, and you can do this on your own, too.

It's a huge PowerPoint as well.

Because.

Because when we hear God for ourselves, we're more able to then turn and hear God for others.

Because that's what prophecy is.

It's hearing God for others.

And, and then, yeah, training Them to hear God for themselves and then they can grow in that.

And then lo and behold, they'll begin to hear God for others.

As we grow more in tune to what God is saying to us and we, we share with.

It's just part of the, the beauty.

Yeah.

Of, of helping and encouraging one another.

Yeah.

And it reminds me of a quote, John Townsend, you know, he's, he is a kind of a cohort with, you know, Henry Cloud.

They do books together and stuff.

But John Townsend's a great voice in leadership and counseling and, and he, he made a statement that God has created a system where he's not enough.

And that could, that could ruffle some feathers and that could, that could kind of disrupt a religious mindset.

But he's like God created a system where he is not enough.

Meaning that if we believe that all we need is God, then we're missing the picture because we need each other.

Because there are things that I'm not seeing.

And yes, I do need God.

And yes, God is supreme and preeminent in my life and he's created a system in his kingdom where we need each other.

There are so many one another scriptures in the Bible that we need one another.

And in these cases where I am just blind, I've got blind spots galore.

I need someone like you or a friend or even a total stranger in a service to say, hey, God is saying this to you.

And I'm like, oh, that was there the whole time.

I never did see it.

And so we, we need one another and God in this journey together.

Yeah.

And God is especially fond of us.

Yeah, he likes us quite a bit.

Which is why our concept of God is so important.

And we're going to talk about that in some upcoming sessions.

Really?

Yeah, in a couple of weeks.

Episodes.

Yeah.

Because it's, it's, it's a distorted concept of God that, that produces maybe a, a fear, a distorted way of seeing God.

And then the prophecy or the word for to us begins to sound like something it's not.

And, and this is why the common testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

It's, it's is Christ is revealing the Father.

He says, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father.

And so prophecy is to be Christological.

Right.

Christ's logic, our counseling, Christological.

Our approach is Christological.

What is Christ's logic?

What is Christ revealing?

And he is the source of all of that.

So the spirit of prophecy, it's the testimony of Jesus.

Every time Jesus and Bible says as Jesus is, so are we.

And so, like, when we think about the reality of who Jesus is, like, that's the reality of who, who we are.

And, and I, when we think about the idea of like, I wear, I wear glasses.

I know you're wearing contacts.

And so we both have lenses, different kinds of lenses, but different.

We have lenses to look through, to see the realities of our life.

So we go through life all the time and we look at what's and who's through a how.

And so this how that I'm wearing or that I use is a pair of glasses.

And for me to be able to see the what's and the who's in my life, I need to have a very clear how to see through.

And so when we think about God looking at the who that is us, the his how, his lens is Jesus.

And he only ever sees Jason or Elizabeth or you guys listening through the lens of Jesus.

And sometimes we miss that, sometimes we miss the perspective, sometimes because we see to your point about family of origin or godly concepts or whatever, our filter system gets muddied or gets convoluted or gets distorted.

And so we need someone else in our life through prophecy to see through that lens that God's seeing through us in the filter of Jesus and to prophesy that over us, to give that perspective to us through prophecy so that we can see it for ourselves.

And Jesus has great things to say.

Only great things to say.

He says it's finished in Second Corinthians, chapter 10 and verses 3, 3, 3, 4, 5.

Though we walk in the flesh, we don't war according to the flesh.

For the weapons of our warfare.

They're not carnal, but they're mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments.

That's what you're talking about.

You're saying there are times when there are these arguments, these distortions, these strongholds, these ways of thinking that ex themselves against the knowledge of God.

And so our participation in this is to bring those thoughts into captivity to the obedience of Christ.

And so that's the discerning work that happens.

And it's why I think there's so much resistance to prophecy.

In some sense, prophecy is designed to build.

It's designed to build us up, to strengthen us, edify right, to encourage us.

And so it's a great threat to the accuser totally that we would know who we are in Christ.

And, and so there's.

There's a lot of things that get a little bit twisted with it, I.

Think I think prophecy, too, can run alongside the word confession, even because, you know, we say confession.

And when I say confession, even to those listening to the podcast, you might immediately go to sin.

And there are plenty of scriptures talk about confessing our sins, and we do confess our sins.

But really the word confession is a.

A single word, you know, in the English, but it's a.

It's a compound word meaning homologeo.

So homologeo.

Homo logeo is the Greek word homologe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the Greek word homologeo is like a compound word.

So homo means same, like homogenized milk, same throughout.

And then logeo means word.

So confession is same word.

So if we're going to live a godly confessional life, it's.

We mirror what he's doing.

We mirror not just what he's saying, but what he's doing.

And so for someone to prophesy or to confess over a person, they're saying the same thing God's saying over us.

So whenever I've had people prophesy or confess over me, it's encouraging because I'm realizing, oh, this is what you've been saying to me all along.

You just didn't have the.

It wasn't like God had this idea all of a sudden and then told Johnny to tell Jason that this idea is what he had.

It's like God's been telling me this for a while, and I just.

Because of my distortions and the things that I've raised up, I'm not seeing it or hearing it.

So Joni comes in and shares the thing that God's been saying to me.

And because maybe because he's a tangible human being or because, like, it's a different.

It hits different.

It interrupts the pattern, right?

I'm like, oh, oh.

And then now I can hear it in a way that I didn't before because Johnny heard it on my behalf.

Yeah, we're really speaking reconciled reality into humanity.

The scriptures say that the message that we have is a message of reconciliation, and we're speaking that identity, what we call a settled identity.

Again, in 2 Corinthians, this is chapter 5, around verses 16 or so, it says, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh.

So this is this practice that we're talking about.

Like, okay, there might be these behaviors, this superficial activity that is distracting or even bothersome.

But you know what?

We don't regard anyone according to the flesh, even though we've.

We knew Christ according to the flesh.

Paul writes, but now we.

We don't know him that way.

Therefore, if it, if.

If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.

And this if here, it's not like conditional, like if you're in Christ, you're new.

It's if as in therefore, because we are in Christ, because God has brought all humanity.

Jesus brought all humanity into Himself on the cross.

He died our death, and we as a humanity rose anew.

If, therefore, we are new in Christ, this is a conclusive if not a conditional one.

If we are a new creation, well, then all things have passed away.

All things have become new.

How can we go around and speak so confidently in the face of someone who is behaving foolishly or in opposition even to their identity in Christ?

How can we speak so confidently?

Because we know that now all things are of God who has reconciled all things through to Himself, through Jesus Christ.

And he's given us that ministry of reconciliation.

So that message, you know, that God was in Christ reconciling the whole world to Himself and not counting those trespasses against us, like he is pleading with us to be the reconciled people he's already made us to be.

This, to me, gives hope and energy behind that.

Yeah, right.

Because prophecy ends up becoming the ministry of reconciliation.

Like, that's what prophecy is.

It's.

It's telling someone through a prophetic word, this is the reconciled self you already are in Christ.

And it's presenting that in a way that's edifying, loving and encouraging to that person.

And now the beauty of it is, I think what sometimes we deal with, at least what I see in sessions and stuff, is we have a hard time living in a duality where it's either right or wrong.

And when I'm like, well, actually there's.

There's two realities that we can hold.

Intention.

And so when there's a capital R reality that we're hearing God say towards me.

Towards me or towards you, as we give it to somebody else.

We're going to go on this trip and we're going to hear things for people and we're going to deliver this like capital R, encouraging, like edifying, reconciled reality.

And the other reality is they're still going through their stuff, right?

They're still struggling.

There's still issues here.

There's still the reality, lowercase our reality that they're going through.

So being able to understand both are at work here.

And what they do with the Lord is they reconcile those realities together, right?

They reconcile who God is saying they are in this finished work with what they're dealing with and that gets reconciled together.

But both are intention.

And so we don't regard them according to the flesh, but they're still flesh.

Like, we're not talking to embodied beings.

We're talking to people that are fleshly having issues and can't break their bills and have kid issues or whatever.

And so there is that fleshly thing and there's the reality of who they are and being able to speak to both at the same time.

Well, and we live from who we believe we are.

And so those behaviors are often evidence of a misbelief of self or God.

And it said in one particular translation that at the root, all sin is a crisis of identity.

That when we don't know who we are, we tend to who we truly are in Christ.

What I'm talking about our true origin in God.

That when we don't know who we are, we end up living beneath.

Oh, yeah.

Below the.

Yeah.

Calling into that again, that highest common denomination, that high estimation of humanity.

Scripture says we're not to speak more highly of our.

Not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought.

Yeah, that's what it says.

And yet God has a very high estimation of humanity.

He has called us partners.

Well, that.

And like, his thoughts are like, I think about each individual person.

The hyperbole that's used in scripture is like, I think about you.

My thoughts are outnumbering all the sand in the world, which is simply a way of saying they're eternal.

There's no end to all the thoughts that I have towards you.

And all my thoughts towards you are great and perfect.

And so these, these, these good and perfect thoughts that he has towards us that we can't even number.

I mean, it's like what, what prophecy does for me is it.

It invokes and it.

And it encourages a holy curiosity as to.

Okay, if you're saying this to them about me, what are you saying to me about me?

Like, it should, it should stir up a curiosity to go, okay, God, I'm.

I'm now wondering, you know, what are we saying together?

Because I'm hearing what you're saying to Susan or good old Johnny or whatever to me.

Johnny, who's just Johnny.

Johnny, totally fictitious person, but he's powerful.

He's very powerful.

Yeah, he's strong.

Strong dude.

He's got it going on.

But, But I do love that even we said this a few episodes ago about how faith comes from hearing.

And that's what this is too.

When, when, when people hear a word of God Spoken over them.

That's edifying and encouraging.

Like, there's, there's faith in that word.

So it's, it's not like they have to go home and like work up faith to do the thing that they just heard in church service.

Like in.

Embedded in that word is all the faith and the grace they need to go and be.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like upon believing that we're in Christ, it.

We realize it is so upon believing the testimony of Jesus, we realize it is so.

It materializes in our inner world.

We become aware.

Well, that's a callback to our first episode in this series.

Saying that God's language is reality.

Like he speaks the reality into existence and sometimes he'll use us to speak reality into other people.

Yeah, well, I think we should just take a moment.

I think we should take a moment to hear the Lord.

And so why don't you get quiet wherever you are and maybe ask the Lord if there's someone in your life that you're to speak a word of encouragement and strength and comfort to.

Maybe it's somebody that it's just been difficult.

It's been difficult.

You know, they're not maybe doing the right thing or you're in conflict in one way or another.

Jesus, how do you see this person, Lord, what is the truth about how you've made them to be?

You know, it might be that you're in conflict because you know in your heart they're not operating in alignment with who they truly are.

And it might be worth just jotting down, who are they truly?

Jesus, what is your testimony over this person that you have reconciled in your body?

Lord, I pray that you would.

You would give us those eyes to see that the.

How we see this person would be through your lenses.

Or even empathetic of their pain and their fear.

Lord, I pray courage to say these things to one another, that we would esteem one another not just according to the outward surface behavior, the flesh, but rather the person that you've made us to be in you and that we could call one another up and into image, bearing partners with you to see your good spread, Lord, in our families, our communities across this earth.

Thank you for the testimony of Jesus.

Thank you for the spirit of prophecy.

In Jesus name.

Amen.

Amen.

It's great.

Prophecy is not scary, super encouraging.

It's what Jesus is saying over you right now.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay, settled segment.

Let's go.

What.

What is it that you just are like.

I love it.

This is it.

Settled, Settled.

Well, this, this.

I Enjoy a good hang with some friends.

Like I said, I think once before, occasionally I like to go smoke a cigar with a friend.

So that's, it's just a nice little like getaway.

You have to come home and wash your clothes after that, you know?

Yeah.

There's, there's an immediate rejection of myself from you when I come home.

There's not even a word.

There's a.

It's just pointing to the shower.

Love that you love that though.

Yeah.

Thank you.

But it's, it's good, you know, it's just, it's like I've.

I've had some really, you know, just life giving, godly thoughts, you know, and communication with people, you know, around those moments and just that shared space with friends and so.

And because it takes a while to get through one of those things, like it's a three hour experience, you know, so it just, it really has been a life giving thing to do a few times a month and just really enjoy that space and, and you're really.

Good at cultivating friends.

Yeah.

Keeping up with friends.

I spend most of my time in a counseling office, so it's nice to be out with other people and, and not be needed in that way.

So it's, it's good to have that community.

So that's one way that I feel.

Okay.

So for me, it's.

Books are.

I'm going to probably go back to books over and over and over again.

But one that I've enjoyed so much lately is called Wonder.

And it's written by my friend, our friend, Shout Out, Jen Weaver.

It is such a beautiful book of poetry and I'm not much of a poetry book person, but I've read through it twice now and it's beautiful for one, the illustrations.

The book itself is gorgeous.

I would strong.

I would highly recommend buying it especially for like Mother's Day gifts or.

Yeah, any gift to.

I mean, I don't think it's just for women, but I've enjoyed it.

Yeah.

I can especially.

I've given it to a number of women in my life just because it's just such a special personal gift with like a little, a little hot tea satchel as like a little package.

Package.

Oh, it's just a perfect, perfect thing for that.

But I, I just find it comforting and insightful and beautiful.

That's really great.

It is a good book.

All right, we'll see you guys next time.

Thank you.

Bye.