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Welcome to Destin for success. I'm your
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host, Jennifer Takagi, and today I have a new friend with me,
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Andrew cuevaman, and we're going to talk about a super big thing.
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There is no shame in $1 and I literally just got off with a
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client, and we were talking about money blocks and abundance
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blocks. And I love that the title of your talk is, there's
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no shame in $1 Andrew, welcome to the show. And how did you get
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into this work? Accidentally? I love it. Me too. Me too.
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Probably, like a lot of entrepreneurs,
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yeah, no, I have a, you know, science background, biology
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background, and was in the pharmaceutical manufacturing
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world for a long time. But, you know, as I kind of was working
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my way around corporate America, just there was something always
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missing, right? I was looking around and, you know, looking at
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the impact that we had in our community and and all this
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stuff. And, you know, the year that I started my financial
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practice, I had written down so every year I do a recap of what
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I'm grateful for, what I accomplished for the year before
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and then for the upcoming year. You know, what are the things
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that I'd like to get done in that year, I had written down I
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would like to learn more about personal finance. I had a
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financial advisor myself at the time, but just felt like there
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was a knowledge gap that I wanted to get to. And then, lo
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and behold, eight months later, I dove head first into the whole
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industry.
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I love that because I've taken notes, taking
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notes. I have a degree in French and Spanish, and I worked for
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the federal government for many years, and now I'm an energy
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healer, a podcast as a leadership development trader.
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And so it's very interesting how people get on these paths, and
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it's like, I don't want to be on this path anymore. I'm going to
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go this other way. So I love that. So years in, and you're
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like, Yeah, I'm going to do finance. I love it. So what's
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one of the biggest changes that happen for you when you made
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this big shift. Because with entrepreneurs being the mainstay
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of my audience, entrepreneurs and coaches like we all have
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that one big shift mentally, emotionally that took place when
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we made this hard left turn or right turn, whichever way it
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went. Yeah. Yeah. So what was that for you?
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It was, it was a little scary at first,
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because, like I said, and I had asked the people that were, you
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know, looking to get me into the business, and I said, you know,
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why do you want me? Like, I don't know anything about, you
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know, finance, like, I know some stuff, but not to the extent
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that you know I would probably need to know to be beneficial to
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others, and they're like, no, no, no, we'll train you on that
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stuff, but it's the people skills, because I was always in
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business development and and so I'm like, okay, so I went for
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it. And, you know, initially, especially, there was, like, a
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lot of imposter syndrome, because I'm like, you know, what
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am I doing here? I gotta learn all that stuff, and I'm trying
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to take all these tests and get through all this material as
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fast as possible, because at the end of the day, the last thing I
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want is to do wrong by someone. Because I had, I had a financial
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advisor. I fired my first one. Oh, okay, and it was because we
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had rolled some money from a traditional retirement account
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into a Roth. And for those of you that don't know, that counts
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as income that year, and so I had to pay a huge tax bill the
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following year. And I was like, where did you think this money
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was coming from? I didn't have it right? So I had to take out a
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personal loan to pay my tax bill that year. I was furious. And so
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I just I had that in the back of my mind. It's like I always want
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to do right by everyone that I'm working with. And so, you know,
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the early stages was, you know, they always say when you kind
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of, you know, switch jobs, you drink water through a fire hose.
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I felt like I was drinking a hurricane. So it was, it was a
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lot at the time, but it was so much fun.
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And so when it comes to learning new things and
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jumping in, I like, I'm really good at jumping in and learning
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new things. I have a friend who calls me like a course junkie,
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and when I was talking to another coach who was, like,
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intuitive on a different level, I'm not going to say more
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intuitive, just kind of a different level, or coming at it
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from a different angle, and she goes, Well, you were actually
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put on the earth to learn a whole lot of stuff. So. You're
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going to keep signing up for courses because you want to
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learn more, you want to keep learning, and so it's going to
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keep happening. And I was like, okay, great, gotta plug in here.
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Okay, great. Like, I'm okay with that. But then I did have some
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of the imposter syndrome, but it was also a little bit what you
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said, like, who's going to take me seriously when I do this?
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When I left my federal job and went into leadership
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development, every bit I was in housing and everybody wanted me
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to teach on housing rules. Why do you want to teach on housing
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rules? I did that for years. I didn't want to do that anymore.
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I wanted to do leadership development, because the federal
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government was not really great at that time. Maybe it is now,
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maybe it is now. I doubt it. I'm good at training people on on
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leading. Like, they taught us how to manage like, how to do
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time cards, how to do leave slips, how to write somebody up,
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but they didn't really teach us how to lead. So I got really,
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really invested in learning how to do that and doing it, but
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then people are like, but Jennifer, you're a housing
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person. You're not a leadership person. So what I thought was
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going to be an easy translation into clients and work. I mean, I
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retired and said, Man, I'm going to take a month off. And then,
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literally, on the 31st day, my phone rang, and this guy was
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like, Hey, would you please come do this training? I was like,
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Yeah, that's the rest of my life. My phone's just going to
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ring. It didn't happen that way, by the way, it did not happen
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that way. But that whole thing of, wow, like, I'm doing
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something new. Does anybody believe me? And they didn't like
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I had to find a whole new audience, a whole new tribe. Did
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you experience that? Or were your people, like Andrew, you
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are so smart and you were so great in your pharmaceutical
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world and all your other things that, yeah, this fits. Did you
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have an easy transition, or were you like me? And it was hard
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for a couple of individuals, it was very
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supportive. And they were like, you know, yeah, you know, we get
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where you're going. But for most of it, most of the people I knew
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were family or whatever, you know, they're not clients, so
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we'll just say that. So it is, it is a change and, and I've
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talked to people kind of ahead of this, you know, curve of
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where I'm at in the industry, and they always say, like, your
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family and your close friends will come back to you in like,
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year five or six, and at that point, you know, it's
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interesting, because some some people, like in the financial
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services industry, like, they start to specialize, and so by
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that time, they may not be a good fit to help their family
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and friends anymore. It's like, oh, this is kind of like, I'll
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do you a solid. But, you know, we've we've progressed and we've
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grown since then. So I do think that there's a part of that
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where you just, you have to figure it out. And I'm sure a
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lot of entrepreneurs will agree, it's it's up to you, and so if
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they don't do it, and you know, if you have it, and that one
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market is great, and they help you out, that's wonderful. But
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if they don't, and you still believe in yourself, then you
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have to go, find somewhere else to go.
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So I love the title of this. There's no shame
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in $1 and being in like an energy, healing, entrepreneurial
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space. Yeah, I literally read a Facebook post. Somebody post a
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question, posted a question, and it was like, How much do you
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charge for a session? And so people were chiming in,
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actually, I don't think anybody actually gave $1 amount, but
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they were like, well, I offer this experience. So you're like,
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Okay, well, they, they're going to charge more than a this
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whatever. You're like, trying to eke it out. But one woman put
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you should not charge for your gifts and talents. That is
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wrong. And I thought, what? And I keep it keeps coming up. I was
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on a panel a couple of weeks ago, and this woman said, Oh,
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well, I don't like to charge for that because, like, I want to
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give back. And I was like, Holy crap, Oly, who's going to pay
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your electric bill? I don't understand. So transitioning
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that into, there's no shame in $1 how does that come up for you
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and your clients, and how do you navigate that?
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Yeah, no, that's that's a great lead in
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because if you want to give back, like, I coach hockey on
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the weekends for little kids, I teach them how to play. That's
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giving back to the community. I do that for an hour. It's fun.
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You know, that's whatever when it comes to, you know, when
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there's no shame in $1 when I say that, and I want you guys
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to. Say it with me, like, there's no shame in $1
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there's no shame in $1
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Yeah, and when you feel the feeling behind
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that, when you say that, I, you know, I find a lot of people
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when they grow up, and maybe this is, you know, I don't know,
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I don't know what the younger generation is experiencing now,
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but we didn't talk about our money. We didn't talk about our
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neighbors money. It wasn't polite to ask what someone got
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in a new job. It wasn't polite to ask how much a car cost and
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and so you have this pattern as a kid growing up for a long time
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that we're not supposed to talk about money, and when that
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translates to you, then as an adult, now you have a family,
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you're looking for a new job, you're trying to understand your
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company benefits, you're trying to set your kids up for success,
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but now you've been conditioned to have this, oh, I can't talk
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about this or, or this should be just as hard as it was for my
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kids, as it was for me, or, like, all this stuff gets
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wrapped into what should otherwise be. Like, money is a
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tool. It creates options. It creates flexibility. There is
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nothing else in it. It doesn't it goes from, you know, bad
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ideas to good ideas. You know, it's just there as a lever for
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you to create a life that you want. Some people wish they had
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more. Some people are content where they're at. That doesn't
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matter. But like the richest people, they talk about money
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all the time. They they talk about how they use it, how they
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leverage it, how they do this and that with it. And so that's
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where I think it comes in, where this this shame, or I should be
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here, or I should have done this, or it would be really nice
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if, if those are the types of questions, and I hit that all
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the time with clients, if those are the types of questions that
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you're facing for yourself, do you want to keep living that
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way? Or would you rather say, Hey, I've got this done. It's
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okay. I know what. You know what can't happen. I know that I've
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done everything in my power to make sure that my future is
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secure. My family's future is secure. And so that's where it
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starts to show up.
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Well, it's interesting you say that I don't
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know that money was really discussed too much in my
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household, like I knew how much my dad made, but having been in
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housing and then federal government, like my pay was
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posted, like you could look up what I made, and, you know,
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somebody was like, Oh, how did you afford that? Well, you know,
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how much I make, so obviously I just made different choices with
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my money. Yeah, you made with yours. And so my belief is,
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always, we all have X amount of dollars, and the question is,
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what are you going to do with your ex? Yeah, like, do you want
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to go buy the most expensive outfit and have one? Or do you
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want to buy something less expensive and have 15 like so
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what do you want to do with your ex? So that's kind of how I've
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always looked at it. But I'm learning more and more in this
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entrepreneurial journey of mine that the wealthy people do talk
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about money, and you go to a conference and they're talking
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about, well, I had a six figure day, did you? And I'm like, I
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didn't have a six figure day today. Like, No, I did not. How
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do I get that? Let's talk about getting me a six figure day. I
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want a six figure day like, tomorrow would be great. I would
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be all about that. So it's interesting, and it's
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interesting how those stories come up. I've taught some energy
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clearing classes around that on like, attracting money into your
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life, and it's like, what number one, what are your stories?
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Money is bad. The root up so it's, it's the love of money is
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evil when it's actually the the no money is the root of all
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evil, but it's actually the love of money is evil, because, like,
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if all your energies go into only money, then you don't have
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the family that you're enjoying with your money, or charitable
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events you're doing with your money, like, you know, telling
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About the money, which is very different, very different.
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So go ahead, if you want one dress that's
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most expensive, that's fine. If you want 15, that's fine, like
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that, that doesn't matter. And when I talk with folks like
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we're trying to understand your goals and your priorities, and
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then we're going to have some tough conversations too. Because
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the other thing. That kind of comes up in all this is we've
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got a limited amount of time, and we don't know how much we
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have. And I kind of go back to like, there's this great, lovely
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man by the name of sad guru, and this is his quote, but says
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people only think other people die. And like, think about that
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for a second. That means that we have the ability to direct our
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energies in a given day, and we should try to maximize that,
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whatever that is, and so, you know, when we're going through
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everything, it's okay if you want, you know, to buy a new
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house. It's okay if you don't want to buy a new house, but
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creating yourself again, I go back to the options and
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flexibility of being able to do what you want on your terms,
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rather than on the terms of whatever is going on in the
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world. That can be very empowering for people to just be
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able to say that's great, I'm good over here.
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Well, it's interesting you say that because
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I've been in Spain almost three weeks now, and I've got one more
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week to go, and I'll go back home. And it's been wonderful,
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and I did this last year, also for a month, and in a coaching
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group, coaching call, it was like the last one of a series,
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and we're talking about options, possibilities, like, what do you
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want to do? And somebody goes, Yeah, well, being an
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entrepreneur is having your life and going to Spain for a month.
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I don't want it, and I'm not going. And I went, Oh my gosh,
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let's be clear, this is my choice. You get to make your
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choice, yeah. And then somebody goes, Oh, I would love to come
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visit. I can't afford it. And I said, well, a plane ticket is
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$757 if you can get the plane ticket, I've got a place for you
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to say, Oh no, I can't do that. Okay, fine. Yeah, not wanting to
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do it and not affording it are not the same thing, right,
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right?
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And there's all kinds of different tools and
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options. And you know, how do you put this all together, and
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that's where it becomes very individualized for every person.
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But even for business owners, like everything you know is very
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tied, like all of my business is very tied to also my personal
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life, it's very hard to separate it all and and just being able
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to say, you know, hey, no matter what happens, I've got a plan B,
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and maybe I've even got a plan C, you know, that we can fall
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back on if something happens like that's a very liberating
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feeling, and that's ultimately what I want for everyone that I
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work with, everyone that I talk to, I love to educate, because
Andrew Quebbemann:
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there are a lot of tools. There's like, 85 different tools
Andrew Quebbemann:
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that we can use. Not everything is good for every person,
Jennifer Takagi:
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but everybody has a different plan, right?
Jennifer Takagi:
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Like, my idea of retirement is different than yours. And, like,
Jennifer Takagi:
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right? And what I want to do and how I want to live it and do it,
Andrew Quebbemann:
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yeah, yeah. And, you know, I wish everyone
Andrew Quebbemann:
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all the success in the world. I mean, it just the I guess my
Andrew Quebbemann:
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belief in all this is that the relationship that you have with
Andrew Quebbemann:
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money, it's a tool, it's a lever. And then the the
Andrew Quebbemann:
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relationship that you have with the person in your life you
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:18:53
know, financial services, professional financial advisor,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:18:56
right, wealth services, CPA, whatever those relationships, I
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:19:04
don't believe should be transactional. You know,
Andrew Quebbemann:
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there's, there's a lot of listening, there's a lot of
Andrew Quebbemann:
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care, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of
Andrew Quebbemann:
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conversations where, at the end of them with you know, when I
Andrew Quebbemann:
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first meet someone, very quickly, we get into a realm
Andrew Quebbemann:
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that I don't think most people go into with their best friends.
Andrew Quebbemann:
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Because I'm going to ask you, what happens if you die, right?
Andrew Quebbemann:
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And I don't know that most friendships, I don't talk about
Andrew Quebbemann:
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that with most of my friends. Maybe everyone's different, but
Andrew Quebbemann:
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you're getting to a level there in that kind of conversation
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where it gets very real and it can get very raw, and so it has
Andrew Quebbemann:
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to be a safe place. And so for those of you that have these
Andrew Quebbemann:
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relationships, are looking at having that relationship with
Andrew Quebbemann:
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someone you know, trust your gut if it sounds too good to. Be
Andrew Quebbemann:
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true. It probably is. But you know, it's kind of the situation
Andrew Quebbemann:
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where, when you're happy, everything is great, and every
Andrew Quebbemann:
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interaction that you have is great. When you think about what
Andrew Quebbemann:
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might happen on your worst day, the list of people I bet you're
Andrew Quebbemann:
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willing to call is very short, and I believe the person that is
Andrew Quebbemann:
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responsible for holding on to your money and helping you
Andrew Quebbemann:
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direct those decisions on how to go about all that should be on
Andrew Quebbemann:
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natural list.
Jennifer Takagi:
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I love that, because you should be able to
Jennifer Takagi:
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call them, and I had conversations with friends
Jennifer Takagi:
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because I'm very comfortable with my person. And when I my
Jennifer Takagi:
00:21:03
lack of a better term, 401, k, when I got it, of course, we
Jennifer Takagi:
00:21:08
just put it in the safest thing ever, yeah. And then when I hit
Jennifer Takagi:
00:21:11
a certain age, he said, every year, in December, I'm going to
Jennifer Takagi:
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look at where you are tax wise, and then we're going to roll
Jennifer Takagi:
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over as much as we can to keep you in the same tax bracket,
Jennifer Takagi:
00:21:29
yeah, to get the money out. And it's going to take five to seven
Jennifer Takagi:
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years, depending on, you know, the market, multiple things. And
Jennifer Takagi:
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so slowly but surely, we got all the money moved over so that
Jennifer Takagi:
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when I was really ready to take it, the taxes had already been
Jennifer Takagi:
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paid. And I know this is something you really can't talk
Jennifer Takagi:
00:21:49
about, you know, given your position, but these are the kind
Jennifer Takagi:
00:21:54
of things that you need somebody in your corner to talk you
Jennifer Takagi:
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through. Yeah, how to make those decisions? And it's like, oh, I
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:02
don't want to do that now. Like, I want to wait and and then I
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:05
found out, like, when I could actually start drawing from it
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:09
with no penalties, whereas I had friends with limited, less than
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:17
limited experience, and they kept saying, you're going to get
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:20
dinged for that? I was like, I'm not getting dinged for anything.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:24
Like, I'm going to pay my appropriate amount of taxes on
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:27
that, use my money. They're not dinging me. Yeah, it's following
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:32
the rules in Atlanta laid out systematic plan, so yeah, and
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:37
and when a bad day comes and we're all going to have a bad
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:40
day, we need to be able to call somebody who can help us get to
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:45
our financial resources that we've we've put aside and put
Jennifer Takagi:
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back for that. So I love that we we need a short list, and our
Jennifer Takagi:
00:22:52
financial person needs to be on it.
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:22:55
Yeah, it's, it's a very, it's a very
Andrew Quebbemann:
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personal thing for people. I mean, I'll just share a quick
Andrew Quebbemann:
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story like the what I'm most one of my most proud stories so far
Andrew Quebbemann:
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in this career as a financial services professional, good
Andrew Quebbemann:
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client of mine, and she's also a friend. We put some work in
Andrew Quebbemann:
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place and like, okay, we're not on the track that we want, but
Andrew Quebbemann:
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we know we've got some work to do, but we know how to get
Andrew Quebbemann:
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there. So cool. Four months later, I got a phone call from
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:23:34
her, and she goes. Dad died, and it was unexpected. I knew him
Andrew Quebbemann:
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personally as well. He's a very nice guy, a super lovely human
Andrew Quebbemann:
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just came out of the blue, and she goes, now, what you know? He
Andrew Quebbemann:
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didn't have anything you know. I don't know of anything you know.
Andrew Quebbemann:
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I know you talk to him and you know, so we started going
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:24:02
through everything. And you know why I'm proud of is because she
Andrew Quebbemann:
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came into it with so many emotions flying around, and at
Andrew Quebbemann:
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least we were able to take the How am I going to pay his
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:24:19
mortgage? How am I going to get through this? What kind of taxes
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:24:23
do I have to do for him, like all this other stuff, we got to
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:24:26
take off her plate to give her more time and space to do what
Andrew Quebbemann:
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she needed to do to emotionally heal from unexpectedly going
Andrew Quebbemann:
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through that situation. And that was, you know, I was very
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:24:43
grateful to be there for her and for me to be that person that
Andrew Quebbemann:
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she called, that we helped, you know, figure that out. That's
Andrew Quebbemann:
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the kind of stuff where life is like, there's just sometimes it
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:24:55
throws you a curve ball,
Jennifer Takagi:
00:24:57
and you've got to do it. My I have one of. My
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:00
dear favorite aunts passed away, and my cousin's an only child,
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:05
and he was like, I don't know how to make two house payments
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:10
and my car payment and her car payment, and I don't know how to
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:14
do any of this. And I reached out to my uncle, which was her
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:18
brother in law, and I was like, I can't manage this. You're
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:23
gonna have to step in as the patriarch of the family now and
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:26
find out, because I have no idea what she had, what she didn't
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:29
have. Did she have an Andrew in her corner that they could call?
Jennifer Takagi:
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You know, those are the kind of questions that that come up and
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:37
they and you got to figure out a way to navigate them. So if you
Jennifer Takagi:
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have it a little bit pre outlined, it can make it easier
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:47
on your on your family members and loved ones when that day
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:51
comes, because it's going to come, hopefully later,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:25:54
yes, hopefully much later. Hopefully
Andrew Quebbemann:
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everyone lives to 120
Jennifer Takagi:
00:25:59
and healthily. Like, it's healthily, that's a
Jennifer Takagi:
00:26:03
big one. Okay? So, like, what is one thing you can share with the
Jennifer Takagi:
00:26:08
audience that we should either start doing today or make sure
Jennifer Takagi:
00:26:13
is in place? Yeah? Now? Like, what can we do? Because we
Jennifer Takagi:
00:26:17
probably have somebody in their 20s listening, going, Ah, that's
Jennifer Takagi:
00:26:21
way off. And then we've got somebody that I know personally
Jennifer Takagi:
00:26:24
in their late 70s going, is it too late? So we've got both ends
Jennifer Takagi:
00:26:29
of the spectrum listening here, yeah.
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:26:33
Well, for the those of
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:26:36
the audience that are in the early stages of their career and
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:26:39
they're looking forward to a very long and happy career and
Andrew Quebbemann:
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very successful there is nothing like time in when it comes to
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:26:51
finances. If you look historically the stock market,
Andrew Quebbemann:
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it tends to go up over the last 100 years. It's always gone up,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:01
right? We've got downturns for sure, but it's always gone up.
Andrew Quebbemann:
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So you've got that working for you. When you're younger, you've
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:10
got time so you can do less and have still an outsized impact.
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:17
So taking advantage of your full company of benefits, things like
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:21
that. You know, getting into a habit of saving money somewhere,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:26
it doesn't really matter so much where in the early stages. But
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:30
just getting habit. If it's $10 great, if it's five, that's
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:34
okay. If it's 1000 fantastic. Doesn't matter. Just start when
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:43
you kind of get on towards, you know, the middle of your career,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:47
for those of the listeners in the 30s and 40s, something
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:50
that's often overlooked is getting your trust and will set
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:55
up. Now, I'm not an attorney, so I'm not here to offer any legal
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:27:58
advice, but your trust and will and how that gets set up can
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:28:03
dictate a lot of the rest of your plan, and a lot of people
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:28:08
seem to go around not knowing those details and some really,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:28:15
really cool things that are within there that you do not
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:28:18
have to Be a multi, multi millionaire to take advantage
Andrew Quebbemann:
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of.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:28:22
Well, to that point, I knew somebody who
Jennifer Takagi:
00:28:27
passed away without a will, and he had a daughter from a
Jennifer Takagi:
00:28:32
previous marriage that was now grown, and because there was no
Jennifer Takagi:
00:28:39
will, everything should have reverted to the daughter, not
Jennifer Takagi:
00:28:44
the wife, yeah. And so they ended up coming to a very
Jennifer Takagi:
00:28:49
equitable agreement that, you know, because it was her stepmom
Jennifer Takagi:
00:28:53
for many years, and they came to an equitable agreement. But I
Jennifer Takagi:
00:28:56
was like, holy, crap. Holy how, like, how could you not what?
Jennifer Takagi:
00:29:01
And the response I got from a friend was, maybe that's how he
Jennifer Takagi:
00:29:06
wanted it. And I was like, Oh, I never thought about that. Like,
Jennifer Takagi:
00:29:10
I like, I just think the wife should be taken care of first.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:29:13
But those are the things you have to consider, like, where do
Jennifer Takagi:
00:29:18
you want it to go? And do you want your spouse, wife, husband,
Jennifer Takagi:
00:29:21
whatever, and for business to be taken care of,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:26
yeah, and for business owners in particular,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:27
because you've got, you know, a business owner like it's it
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:32
feels like another member of the family, right? Oh, yeah. So that
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:38
also comes your exit strategy. What do you want that to look
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:40
like, how you want partners to be able to exit or, you know,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:45
all that stuff, like, how you want those shares of that
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:48
company like, you know, obviously, we all want to drive
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:51
and grow and develop. Well, if you turn yourself into, you
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:54
know, multi million dollar company and develop sorts of
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:29:57
issues that you didn't used to have. Right? That's you can
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:01
navigate those. But, you know, and this is the unfortunate
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:07
part, for those of the audience that are kind of right around
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:10
the corner from retirement financial professionals as a
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:13
whole, we're not plumbers in that like, if the pipe does
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:18
burst, we really, usually can't fix it. We're kind of more of a
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:25
planning commission than a than a fix it commission. But you
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:31
know, for those that are like, kind of around the corner from
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:33
retirement, you know, spending down your lifetime savings
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:37
usually the biggest concern there is, what happens if I run
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:40
out of money, you know, then, then what? And so it does help,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:46
even at that stage, to talk to someone in the financial
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:50
industry to discuss how that looks and the tax implications
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:55
like you went through with your person, that all does matter,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:30:59
and you can still have an impact on your retirement at that
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:31:03
point, and so I still would recommend that folks reach out
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:31:09
to someone to have that conversation even at that stage,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:31:12
like it's not. It might be too late to retire in the way that
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:31:15
you want to retire, but it's not too late to retire with a plan
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:31:21
and with some intelligence behind it.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:31:24
It is, and it's kind of like I'm a note taker.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:31:33
I've got pages of notes right here so far. It's the idea of,
Jennifer Takagi:
00:31:38
like going into a nursing home, you have to spend down your
Jennifer Takagi:
00:31:40
assets? Well, okay, let's look at that. Like, where can you put
Jennifer Takagi:
00:31:44
your assets so they're safe? I saw a cute little video on
Jennifer Takagi:
00:31:48
Facebook, and this guy goes wealthy people go to nursing
Jennifer Takagi:
00:31:52
homes and they don't lose everything. And it was like,
Jennifer Takagi:
00:31:56
wait, what? And again, it's a financial it's totally legal.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:32:00
Financial strategies, like how to manage your money, and just
Jennifer Takagi:
00:32:04
because I never want to be that 100% financially savvy person. I
Jennifer Takagi:
00:32:11
want 100% financially savvy person in my corner, guiding me
Jennifer Takagi:
00:32:15
and giving me options that I can choose from. Because what is it?
Jennifer Takagi:
00:32:19
Options and flexibility. Those are your two key things. Like, I
Jennifer Takagi:
00:32:24
don't know what I'm going to do, but I want somebody who does to
Jennifer Takagi:
00:32:27
tell me, give me some options.
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:32:30
And can I swear on your podcast please?
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:32:33
Yes. It doesn't have to roll downhill. I love it, like you
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:32:41
mentioned before, how, like, you know, all of a sudden your your
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:32:44
cousin had to deal with that situation where, you know, their
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:32:48
their mom passed, and now you know, the uncle had to step in.
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:32:51
It doesn't have to be like that. There are things that you can do
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:32:54
to set it up. Because I think most when I talk with people
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:02
looking at setting up their children, everyone loves their
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:06
children to death. But when it comes to like a topic of leaving
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:12
a legacy, whatever that looks like, and it can be a lot of
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:15
money, people get a little bit nervous because maybe they
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:18
didn't have that kind of money that they inherited. So they're
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:22
asking themselves all kinds of questions, but having to take
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:26
care of like a second mortgage houses, they tend not to sell
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:30
immediately, and sometimes they do, but they tend to not be able
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:34
to be sold immediately. Maybe some work has to be done in the
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:37
house before it's sold. Or all kinds of stuff happens. There
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:40
are things that happen when you pass. And I promise you, no
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:46
one's ever said, Wow, I wish someone had left me, left me
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:49
less money, because then I would, you know, have to deal
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:51
with all this myself. Like it's a pretty immediate thought, but
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:33:56
they like my really good friend, he told his parents this. He
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:00
goes. I want the time and space to be able to grieve. I don't
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:05
want to have to worry about all this other stuff with probate
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:09
and the government and what taxes are like. That's a
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:12
headache that I don't want to think about. I want to think
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:16
about just you and the good times that we've had and the
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:18
memories and everything that goes with that. And so that's
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:21
kind of your your option. And I think that's where, you know,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:24
some people make decisions to set some stuff in place, to give
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:34:28
their families that ability to do that.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:34:31
Yes, yes. And I was very fortunate. My parents
Jennifer Takagi:
00:34:36
passed away 12 days apart, which was not fortunate. That was
Jennifer Takagi:
00:34:39
horrific. But we did have there. They did have things set in
Jennifer Takagi:
00:34:45
place. And so we did have a chance to, like, take a breath,
Jennifer Takagi:
00:34:49
like, We barely got through one funeral when the death next
Jennifer Takagi:
00:34:52
death happened. So it was like, Oh, wow. Okay. So yeah, that can
Jennifer Takagi:
00:34:56
be, it can be a lot. And just because I don't. Want to be the
Jennifer Takagi:
00:35:01
financial professional, doesn't mean I can't get somebody in my
Jennifer Takagi:
00:35:04
corner. And a lot of times, depending on the investment and
Jennifer Takagi:
00:35:08
how you're setting things up, the the fees for somebody like
Jennifer Takagi:
00:35:12
you are handled on the back end and elsewhere, versus me having
Jennifer Takagi:
00:35:16
to walk in with several $1,000 for you to tell me what to do
Jennifer Takagi:
00:35:20
and how to do it like there. There are ways that this works.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:35:23
That's not a lot out front. I'm just going to say that from
Jennifer Takagi:
00:35:27
personal experience, I don't know what your policy is, but
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:35:30
that it depends on the individual right,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:35:34
depends on what we end up, you know, working with, you know,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:35:38
everyone on but yes, there are ways, you know not everything is
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:35:45
as is necessarily you know it, I guess what I've said before, you
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:35:50
do not have to have millions and millions of dollars to leverage
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:35:53
someone in their knowledge. Because, you know, I said this
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:35:58
when my brother went to law school, I was like, and I
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:02
started to learn more about what it was that he was learning and
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:06
why he was learning it. It was like, Okay, so he's actually
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:09
reading the rule book, right? There are most everyone else,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:13
including me at that, you know, for for all that stuff, it was
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:16
like, we're running around playing the game, but not
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:19
knowing the rules, yeah, the game like we don't have any
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:25
choice. We're in the game. You know, we were born where we were
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:28
in the world, and that's, you know, we got the rules in front
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:31
of us for what they are, and the financial world is the same. The
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:35
The rules are out there. It takes a lot to keep up with
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:39
them. You know, especially these days, obviously, if anyone's
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:43
watching the news in the US, the story changes often. And so
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:50
keeping up with that kind of stuff and implications of it,
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:53
they may not be good or bad, but they might change something. And
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:36:58
so we have to pivot. And so that's the kind of stuff that's
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:37:02
harder to keep up with, you know, for a family running
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:37:05
around, you know, running the business, getting kids to soccer
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:37:09
practice and baseball and football and all the rest of
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:37:12
this stuff, life is a lot to manage. So, you know, have
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:37:17
yourself a team around you that supports you know, your goals
Andrew Quebbemann:
00:37:21
and your vision and gets you to where you want to go.
Jennifer Takagi:
00:37:25
Oh my gosh, I love it. So number one, we want
Jennifer Takagi:
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options. Number two, we want flexibility. And number three,
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we need a team that's going to help us navigate the path.
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Because we don't have to be experts in all of it, right?
Andrew Quebbemann:
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I'm not an expert in all of it. I use
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attorneys all the time, exactly.
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Oh my gosh, Andrew, this has been a super
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fun and helpful conversation for me. Thank you for being here. I
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will have in the show notes, all places to get a hold of you if
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people want to reach out. Do you have a favorite platform where
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people can find you?
Andrew Quebbemann:
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LinkedIn is definitely the platform where
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I'm most active on I do have Facebook and Instagram as well,
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which you're welcome to reach out to me there. I guess the
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only one I don't have is Twitter. Never really understood
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that one. I just mentally never got there.
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So I used to have it because I had a platform
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that was so great, it just automatically posted all my
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stuff. And then I lost that platform, and I'm like, I don't
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even know how to log into my account anymore, and I don't
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even know if it's called Twitter these days, so I don't even
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know. I probably have something from long ago, far away. Andrew,
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this has been delightful, talking to you people. I'm just
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going to say, reach out. Have a financial planner, have somebody
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in your corner, because I love that idea. Have somebody on your
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team.
Andrew Quebbemann:
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Thanks for being here. Thanks for having
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me. Jennifer, appreciate it.
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I'm Jennifer Takagi with destin for success,
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and I look forward to connecting with you soon. Find the right
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buttons.