We're diving into the spooky vibes of "Viy," the OG Soviet horror flick, with our buddy Gavin Mevius from the Mixed Reviews and Q Division pods. This movie’s got all the supernatural shenanigans you'd expect, plus some twists that'll leave your jaw on the floor. Seriously, it’s a wild ride through folklore and terrifying visuals that totally redefine what horror can be. We chat about how it mixes classic fairy tales with a touch of cheeky humor and some serious visual flair. So grab your popcorn and settle in, 'cause this convo is about to get wicked deep—like, three nights in a haunted chapel deep!
Diving into the world of Soviet cinema, we had the absolute pleasure of chatting with Gavin Mevius about the first horror film from the USSR, "Viy". This film, made in 1967, is a unique blend of folklore and horror, and we explored how it flips traditional horror tropes on their head. Gavin, a film editor and aficionado, brought his insights on how this film's quirky special effects and storytelling techniques influenced generations of filmmakers. We discussed the film's whimsical yet eerie vibe, especially that jaw-dropping finale that leaves you questioning everything you thought you knew about horror. Plus, we had a laugh about the ridiculousness of the protagonist's mishaps and the bizarre yet captivating visuals that make this film a standout in the genre. It's a wild ride from start to finish, and we made sure to appreciate its unique cultural context while also poking fun at the characters' misadventures. So grab your popcorn and get ready to enjoy a film that’s both a visual feast and a lesson in supernatural folklore!
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Anomaly Presents with your friends the pod astronaut.
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Sounds like a lot of supernatural baloney to me.
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Supernatural, perhaps baloney, perhaps not.
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Hello and welcome to the Anomaly Presents podcast.
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The podcast about the genre movies that inspired the Anomaly Film Festival, taking place in Rochester, New York.
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If you're watching on video, guess what I got.
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It's a cool graphic.
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It's also a good reminder because I always forget the dates this early in the year.
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So here we go.
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We are actually back at the Little and the Dryden.
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Check us out.
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Anomalyfilmfest.com My name is Matt Austin, and tonight I am joined by the podcastronauts.
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I've got Kristen Pelk, Pacheco with me.
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Hey, everybody.
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I've got Megan Murphy.
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Hey.
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They haven't kicked me off yet, the fools.
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And we've got a special guest podcast or not tonight.
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I am so thrilled he could be here with us.
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Gavin Mevius of the Mixed Reviews podcast and the Q Division James Bond podcast.
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So thrilled to have you in, Gavin.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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I'm a big fan.
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So I'm just.
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Don't mind me if I look a little red.
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I'm like, I get to be here.
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Oh, thanks.
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We're big fans too.
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So we met Gavin.
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I've been following Gavin on socials for probably.
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I don't want to put a date on it because it'll date both of us, but.
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Yeah, you've received the court documents, right, that you're not allowed to do that anymore.
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Yeah, my lawyers have been in touch.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So 500ft later.
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So, yeah.
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So following each other on socials and then got the chance to meet in person at the festival this year.
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Gavin is a film editor.
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He edited the film One Night Cherub, which was one of our favorite shorts.
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So we were thrilled that he was able to make it along with his fellow filmmakers from Austin.
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And then we're so excited.
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We wanted to have Gavin on the podcast because we wanted to talk more movies with him.
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I just want to.
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And I don't mean to interrupt, but I just want to talk you guys up.
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I love your film festival.
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I've been a fan and a supporter from very early on.
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I was one of the original Kickstarters.
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Every year that you had a Kickstarter, I donated because I just really want to support everything you do because first of all, a genre film festival is an amazing, extraordinary beast anyways, and there should be more of them.
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And you guys are just leading the way in terms of the way that you do it.
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Like, there's such a community there.
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It's so beautiful.
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I've been.
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I've been trying to make it out every year that you've.
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And Because, I mean, literally putting a film that I edited in certainly helped, but.
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But.
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But.
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But, like, I made it a point to finally get out there this year and just seeing the way that you guys run it.
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And it's really beautiful because I also.
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I work for the New York Film Festival here, editing their videos, their Q&As and whatnot during the festival.
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And it's such a.
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For such a massive organization, such a tightly wound ship.
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And to see it on, you know, your level, like, I was like, holy crap, how do you do this?
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How.
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Like you.
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You guys like it.
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Your blood, sweat, and tears are truly in it.
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And it.
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It pays off.
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So.
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Thank you for having me.
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Thank you for having the film.
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It was so welcoming and so nice and what a beautiful time.
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Thank you.
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I don't know if we can do the show now.
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We're so.
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Yeah.
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I'm emotionally compromised.
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Yeah.
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Well, thank you so much.
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That was great.
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Everybody else, come back next week for
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another week for admiration society is my
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$5 in the mail.
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It's going.
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It's going.
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It's gotta get a stamp.
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Legal document.
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So we're here tonight not only to fawn over each other, but to talk about a.
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A movie that I don't have.
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Have.
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Had you guys seen this before.
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I know Gavin.
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You have.
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Gavin actually suggested this to us, so that's.
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Yeah.
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For me.
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You know how you have certain films that are always on the.
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Like, I should see this, and I bet I'll enjoy it, but, like, the time never comes around.
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So this was perfect because this made me go, hey, watch that thing.
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You'll probably like it.
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And spoiler alert, I did.
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It's very much my.
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The same I had.
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I.
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Except I hadn't heard of it before.
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And as soon as I looked it up, I cleared the schedule and buckled in for that and then had it in the background before I hopped on.
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I was like, I need to rewatch those last minutes.
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And I even put on a witch shirt today.
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Yeah.
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And I was the same boat with kp.
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I had not heard of it before.
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I saw the list of suggested movies you had, Gavin, and I was like, man, I hope he picks that, because I have never seen it.
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Yeah, I did.
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I sent.
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I sent a list, and a lot of them are movies that I've I've either talked about before, I consider, like, my favorite films, but what I like about V is.
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Sorry, have you introduced the fact that it's V yet?
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No.
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That was very organic, though.
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Oh, I thank you.
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Yeah, I was perfect, if I'm honest.
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Gavin, I was going to let you do it because I wasn't sure how
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to pronounce it, so.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Oh, yeah.
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I'm so bad with pronunciation.
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I'm pretty sure there's actually like a slightly more, like, accent on the Y.
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just say V. But V, which is a:
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All the movies that I sent on the list are, like, movies that inspired me when I first started.
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Like, movies that got me into the idea of wanting to work in film.
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Like, I sent Chunking Express, which was I saw when I was 11.
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It was the first film I realized, like, oh, like, a movie is made by people and, like, has a style.
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And Clue and Batman Returns have been my favorite film since I was a little kid.
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And Tank Girl I've spoken about on other podcasts because I'm just a huge fan.
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But V is something I saw much later in life.
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I want to say I probably saw it maybe the Pandemic, and it was one of those things that, like, even though I'd already been an editor for 15 years, at that point, like, I watched it and I was like, this is why I want to make films like movies like this.
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Like, this existing is, like, why I want to do this.
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Because it's so.
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What's the word I'm looking like, it's so simple and yet complicated.
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It's so full of beautiful filmic tricks, like live action, rear projection, stop motion costumes, like prosthetics, but also beautiful, simple storytelling.
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And yeah, I just.
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I'm so happy that none of you had seen it before, because I wish I could go back and not have seen it before and watch it for the first time, because especially kp, as you were saying, that ending is like, it's mind blowing.
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Like, you watch it now and you're still like, how did they do that?
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Yeah, it's absolutely gorgeous.
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It's one of those interesting because it's not a long film and it's a perfect little folk tale and it just leads you down and you're like, oh, it's getting kind of whimsical, it's getting kind of weird, and then it just, like, shoots you with a Bazooka in the face at the end.
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Yeah.
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I love that it's not afraid to play with genre because there is quite a bit of it that's very silly and clearly purposefully silly.
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Like, it.
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No.
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Like, the score is like.
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And during points, and you're just kind of like, yeah, like, great.
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Like, there's a.
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There's a man pretending to be an old witch carrying another man through the sky, which also.
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The old witch is a drag role, which I love that it is a man playing that old witch.
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One of the other funny parts that took me out immediately was when they're just yelling with the birds, knock it off.
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It's like, okay, I had a double take.
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I went back and I was like, what sound did that band make?
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Appreciated when it started right off.
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And we're like a seminary.
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Like a school for possible, like, religious figures.
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And these are like the rowdiest.
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Like, un.
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Most untrustworthy dudes ever.
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Like, yeah, they're stealing birds, they're snatching up women.
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They just cannot wait to go on break and cause more trouble.
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I'm like, okay, something.
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This is interesting.
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This is not going to be like the.
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The faith fight.
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I thought it would be like, oh, no.
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Like a man of faith.
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No, I don't.
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I don't.
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I don't know if he believes in anything, but, like, whatever he wants in the moment, as we talk to our protagonist.
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What a mess.
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This dude's a mess.
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It's such a fascinating way to tell the story because I saw somewhere as I was reading, because I again had no frame of reference, that this is kind of the same story that.
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That Mario Baba's Black Sunday.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's such a wild flip from Black Sunday, which is such.
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I mean, it's the polar opposite of this film.
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Like, it is mood wise.
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No, go on.
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Sorry.
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And this is totally the opposite.
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It is.
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Again, it's got that really light folk tale, fairy tale kind of feel to it that.
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That Black Sunday really doesn't.
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For me, it makes it a bit more enjoyable.
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It's such a twist on that.
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It was interesting.
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It's.
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It's funny.
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I'm a eternal student as well.
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And I'm sure, as fellow nerds, no offense if that.
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If you're offended by that.
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We know what we're about.
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Yeah.
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And I. I have to.
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When somebody's like, research something, I was like, I have to do everything.
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So my husband actually found me a copy of the short story, which is by Nikolai Gogol.
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And this is like a direct Almost one for one of the short story.
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It's kind of crazy.
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I think the only thing that's maybe different, and I might just be confusing the two, is there's a point in the middle where somebody tells him another story about a bride attempting to like, ride her husband as a witch.
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And he's like, he's like, oh, that happened to me.
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Like, what a fun.
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Like, oh, yeah, no, yeah.
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This is something that just happens from time to time.
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It just happens.
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Yeah, no need to worry.
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d just came up with the early:
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folklore in the, in the late:
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And it's like, I guess maybe you do, but like, he just made it up.
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Like, it's not, it's not.
Speaker B:
I guess in some cases aren't all folk tales made up?
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I guess.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So it's like.
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But I do love that it has that power that it was just like.
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Yeah, it's this, it's this thing.
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It's part of our culture and it's like, is it kind of.
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It is now?
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It just, it just started, you know, much later than you would expect.
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Well, it has that perfect folklore rhythm.
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Like, you start like our, our protagonist doesn't of these things, you know, like, and then, you know, you go off on a.
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A journey.
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There's like two journeys.
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A journey where they find the, the witch in the classic, like asking for hospitality, following rules or not.
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Apparently in particularly Ukrainian folklore, there is a kind of witch who rides people like a horse into the sky.
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So like, this is a thing that
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happens, you know, once again, it's just a common occurrence.
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It's a thing that happened.
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Right.
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And then you have an additional journey with them going.
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So it all has that thing of like, okay, now you like, did you.
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You crossed the boundary or you encountered something that you weren't expecting and now you have to finish it.
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So it has that.
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Yeah.
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And then of course the perfect like three nights, which is just so fairy tale like.
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And then it allows it to like, you know, the first night's going to be bad, that second night's going to be worse, and then you're bracing for the Third night.
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Which is just great because, like, you know, and it's not like, oh, I'm not.
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It's not boring.
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It's like, oh, I can't.
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Like, I'm ready.
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I'm ready for this.
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He's not, but I am, and I love that.
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Plus, from what I've read, the fact that it was folklore is so.
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This is made during.
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In the Soviet Union, and it was during a thing called Khrushchev's Thaw, which is like, where they gotta be.
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The artists got to have a little more, like, maneuvering room, not like carte blanche.
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Right.
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And I think they.
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The filmmakers were very smart that they use folklore to kind of make a horror film because they're like, oh, it's folklore.
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We celebrate that here because it's culture, right?
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So in a way, it's kind of like a stealth horror film because there was nothing to object to when it's like, oh, no, this is.
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You know, we make paintings of this and we celebrate this.
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This.
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This strong history.
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And instead they made this wild film with these images that to this day, I'm like, they're.
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Gonna.
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Some of them are gonna stay with me.
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I can't imagine watching it in 67 going, like, what?
Speaker C:
They had the three big strikes against them, too.
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The things that you weren't really like.
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Like you said, they.
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It's religion, which.
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That supernatural.
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And.
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And also.
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Oh, shoot, I had the third one.
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Now I can't remember what it was, but.
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But yeah, it was just.
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It's those.
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Those things that, like, they were like, you can't make films about this.
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And they're like, well, it's.
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It's a folk tale, guys.
Speaker C:
Oh, and horror.
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That's the.
Speaker B:
Oh, yeah, it was.
Speaker B:
I was like, is it like the illusions to sex?
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That's what I was like.
Speaker C:
My brain was like, no, everybody loves that.
Speaker B:
More, please.
Speaker A:
That's how you get him into the theaters, right?
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And it's like, perfect, because that's what, like a fairy tale or a folk story does.
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Is it kind of like stealths wisdom and knowledge in a culture.
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So it's like they're using a folk tale to do what a folk tale does, which I. I love.
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You know, like, just, hey, remember this stuff?
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And you can, you know, you can hear some thoughts that maybe you didn't have, but we've disguised them.
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You know, they keep the flame.
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Yeah.
Speaker C:
Have any of you ever.
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And this is like just a side tangent, but have ever.
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You ever heard of the.
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The fairy tale of the boy who left home?
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To find out about the Shivers.
Speaker B:
Oh, they did that in Fairy Tale Theater with Shelley?
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Yes.
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I think Peter McNichol was in it.
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Correct.
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Look at this information I have.
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Are you coming in, Clark?
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It's there, finally.
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And it has a very similar structure to that because that's a fairy tale about a boy who doesn't believe that anything can scare him, and he eventually goes to this kingdom.
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And they're like, if you stay the night for three nights in this haunted castle, you get to become.
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You, like, get to take over.
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And he goes and he stay, like.
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And he has.
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Each night's an increasing more haunting and.
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But it nothing, like, affects him.
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He, like, befriends the ghost and everything.
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And finally at the end, they're like, okay, you get the kingdom and you have to marry my daughter.
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And he's like, oh, no.
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Like.
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And that scares him.
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And so this is, like.
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Has actually, like, maybe a more effective ending.
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But I.
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But every time I watch V, I'm like, oh, yes.
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I think of the Fairy Tale Theater because I just remember them bowling with skulls in the Fairy Tale Theater.
Speaker B:
You are like, like, I've had that in my head.
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I'm like, oh, my God, I'm picturing it.
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Exactly.
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I watched it a lot.
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It was at the library, and you could rent it.
Speaker C:
Fairy Tale Theater is great.
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I mean, a lot of.
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A lot of filmmakers from that time period.
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You know, it's undersung.
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You had Francis Ford Coppola doing some of them, Tim Burton doing some of them.
Speaker B:
Like, exactly.
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Hey, everybody, a side quest.
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Go find Fairy Tale Theater to see if our local library has it anymore
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somewhere.
Speaker A:
It's on the VHS rack, probably, but it's there now.
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I'm in the mind of the ghost of Mr. Chicken because it's kind of the same.
Speaker C:
They're meant.
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Yes.
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Sorry.
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I, like, flung my cord, but yes.
Speaker C:
The ghost of Mr. Chicken.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
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Which I only.
Speaker C:
I only recently saw within the last couple of years for the mixed reviews, because we do a Halloween episode every year, and one year we did Ghosts on Film.
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And I wanted to make sure I got some comedies in there, because I was like, you know, it can't all be spooky.
Speaker C:
Spooky all the time.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
That's a solid choice.
Speaker B:
You're like, huh?
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You don't always think, like, no, it's kind of wacky.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
It's gotten nuts.
Speaker B:
So awesome.
Speaker A:
I saw it when I was a kid, and then it was just on Svengoolie, so I got to watch it with my kid on Svengoolie.
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And it was.
Speaker B:
I love it.
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I.
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te films, House or Hausu from:
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And you know, you all know my.
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I feel like I wasn't saying like that's what the inside of my head looks like.
Speaker B:
Like, I feel like it's cute but it's creepy and.
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And there's no.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
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And I was like, oh God, I wonder.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker B:
I did a quick bit.
Speaker B:
I couldn't tell if there it had been inspiration or not, but it feels so the.
Speaker B:
That whimsical ish feel nature of.
Speaker B:
But there's still terror, it's still scary.
Speaker B:
And then like the use of color and that surrealism is very interesting.
Speaker B:
And you can kind of see a thread whether it was intentional or not.
Speaker B:
I was like, oh yeah, that could hit a skeleton.
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Once the skeleton showed up, I'm like, yeah, it's just a full on house on haunted hill skeleton.
Speaker A:
And what I like, yes,
Speaker C:
and what I like about the spectacle portion of it too is that that not just used for like, it'd be one thing if it was only for the superstition parts of it or the supernatural parts of it, but like there's shots of him running and it's clearly the actor running in place and they're just rear projecting behind him and then have people like running like pieces of grass around him to like create that movement.
Speaker C:
And it's so beautiful, like, because it creates that otherworldly feel of like, what am I looking like, what is wrong with the motion here?
Speaker C:
Why does it look like this?
Speaker C:
But it, but it's very cool.
Speaker C:
So it's nice that it's not fully just reserved for the bits in which it is, you know, supernatural.
Speaker C:
It's for the bits that like, just to remind you the whole thing is a fairy tale but that it sort of doesn't take place.
Speaker C:
Like it, it is there to teach you a lesson and it is there to like be like, oh, be careful if you don't, if you don't have as much faith as you think you do, you shouldn't get this yourself into these situations.
Speaker C:
But also to be like, oh, but it's also a fairy tale.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I think that opens.
Speaker B:
So we're, you know, we start talking about the, like the cinematography which is like, it is a, a simple fairy tale like story.
Speaker B:
But where the complexity comes in is the visual style the way that it is.
Speaker B:
Like it's not realistic.
Speaker B:
It is.
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Has that, like, it's letting you know you're watching a story almost like it's on a stage.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
And then, of course, we get into, like, how they do the supernatural and the effects.
Speaker B:
Starting with the witch riding him, which, in all honesty, I did not expect where that was going.
Speaker B:
Oh, my God.
Speaker B:
Oh, my God.
Speaker B:
The witch is fully on him.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
It was that with the broom that took place.
Speaker B:
Yes.
Speaker B:
It wasn't just, you know, I'm going to be on his shoulders and ride him on a horse.
Speaker B:
I have the broom in my hand.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
It was like Baba Yaga style.
Speaker B:
Like when you see a classic.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Witch illustration where they're on somebody and their little legs are.
Speaker B:
I'm like, oh, there we go.
Speaker B:
That's a classic.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And then we.
Speaker B:
The beautiful design of the, like, chapel where the body is.
Speaker B:
Where every painting in there, every, like, religious icon is the most terrifying thing I have ever seen.
Speaker B:
They are all just staring out, like, wishing you the worst, baby Jesus hates you.
Speaker B:
Like, I could tell.
Speaker B:
There's that one shot with a Madonna shot.
Speaker B:
I'm like, what's going on with that baby?
Speaker B:
Oh, that's Jesus.
Speaker B:
Oh, no, buddy.
Speaker B:
So many glorious candles.
Speaker C:
Glorious candles.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
The.
Speaker C:
And like, just the way that they.
Speaker C:
Because there's also.
Speaker C:
Speaking of the.
Speaker C:
The church, like, they use a lot of reprojection in the church too.
Speaker C:
Because one of my favorite shots is when they clearly have him on basically, like a rotating platform and they're just spinning him with the rear projection of the church behind him.
Speaker C:
And so you feel.
Speaker C:
Feel like you're doing a complete 360 around him, but you're actually not seeing that much of the church because he's the one that's moving, not, not the camera.
Speaker C:
It's, It's a brilliant choice.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Like, this movie's gonna make me dizzy.
Speaker B:
Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:
And I, I, I, I love little things.
Speaker B:
Like, first night, it's cats.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And then like the second night, it's like birds, you know, And I'm like, oh, no.
Speaker B:
What's.
Speaker B:
What's third night?
Speaker B:
Everything.
Speaker C:
Everything.
Speaker C:
Everything.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Bird comes out of a book at one point.
Speaker B:
Like, there's no entry point.
Speaker B:
It just comes out of a book.
Speaker B:
And she says, like, vampires.
Speaker B:
And it's not like three.
Speaker B:
It's.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
They're all, like, painted.
Speaker B:
You can see, like, paint strokes on all the creatures.
Speaker B:
And they're painted that same gray.
Speaker B:
Blue.
Speaker B:
That the chapel is in fact, like, that only bit of color is our protagonist in his.
Speaker B:
It's not a lot of color.
Speaker B:
It's like, it's like brown and blonde or later gray.
Speaker B:
Later gray.
Speaker B:
Good job, buddy.
Speaker B:
But, like, I love that, like, they kept that color of, like, that became the supernatural color, that little bluey gray.
Speaker B:
Her skin is.
Speaker B:
Is kind of like this pale or the fantastic blue eyeshadow.
Speaker B:
The style and like.
Speaker B:
And the little, like, Daisy, like, crown, like, gorgeous in death.
Speaker B:
I dig her style.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
You still gotta look great in the coffin.
Speaker B:
No, no, no, no.
Speaker B:
Lay me out good.
Speaker B:
Especially as it's spinning around.
Speaker C:
Well, that was.
Speaker C:
I was gonna say that's the.
Speaker C:
The escalation that I really love.
Speaker C:
The first night, she, like, walks towards him and she's kind of like, I can't.
Speaker B:
She's kind of mining.
Speaker B:
And the classic.
Speaker B:
He draws a circle, which I think a lot of people instantly understand that.
Speaker B:
Oh, that's protective, you know?
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
But then the second night, she's like, no, I'm gonna ride my coffin into your circle.
Speaker B:
Like, I'm gonna, like, like, like she's in it.
Speaker B:
Like, like a little dragster.
Speaker C:
Like a little Wacky Racers.
Speaker A:
Like,
Speaker C:
you need.
Speaker C:
You need, like, what was his name?
Speaker C:
Like, Mutley or whatever.
Speaker A:
Exactly.
Speaker A:
Yes.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
That was really brilliant.
Speaker B:
Which is funny, but also like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:
Imagine a coffin coming at your head, right?
Speaker B:
Like, the circles worked, but, like, for how long?
Speaker B:
Like, things are getting.
Speaker B:
First, it's like, you know, a young woman.
Speaker B:
Okay, I could probably take her.
Speaker B:
She's a witch.
Speaker B:
But, like, physically she looks, you know, And I'm like, oh, no, she's in, like, a whole ass coffin being slammed against here.
Speaker B:
This is.
Speaker B:
This is a problem.
Speaker B:
That's why he's like, at the perfect.
Speaker B:
Like, I can't do the third night because, like, you're.
Speaker B:
You're looking for, like, I can't.
Speaker B:
I can't do it.
Speaker C:
But understandably, that goes back to that, like, classic what you were talking about.
Speaker C:
The, like the Joseph Campbell hero journey.
Speaker C:
Like, you need that moment right before the very end where the.
Speaker C:
There's the refusal of the call.
Speaker C:
And then finally, like, no, I guess I have to do it.
Speaker C:
But I love that that's for.
Speaker C:
This is preceded by a vigorous dance and then getting wasted.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:
There's a. I don't.
Speaker B:
I can't convey how much drinking this character does, how much of it he's in the least.
Speaker B:
He's at least semi drunk, if not completely blasted.
Speaker B:
And that's like, before the supernatural stuff, right?
Speaker B:
Like, just a steady state of, like,
Speaker C:
inevitably he's going to do it anyways.
Speaker C:
He was going to be at that level before.
Speaker B:
And no matter what, he simply just did not want to be there.
Speaker B:
No.
Speaker B:
Once he realized who it was, he's like, I don't have to go, right?
Speaker B:
They're like, no, your ride's already here.
Speaker B:
Get in.
Speaker B:
She asked for you specifically.
Speaker C:
And I do love that.
Speaker C:
That, like, I get, like, the.
Speaker C:
It's funny because it's in a very Soviet sort of way.
Speaker C:
Like, it is a.
Speaker C:
A peril of capitalism because they only sent him because, like, listen, the guy is a wealthy landowner and he donates a lot to.
Speaker C:
So, like, you gotta do it.
Speaker C:
But I love that nobody questions why he was asked for by name except for the father, who's like.
Speaker C:
He's like, hey, did you know her?
Speaker C:
And he's like, no, no, I certainly didn't recognize her as a witch.
Speaker C:
And the father's like, well, you.
Speaker C:
You must be renowned for being a holy man, then.
Speaker C:
That must be it.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Club her to death at all.
Speaker B:
It's Coma Brutus.
Speaker B:
He's an interesting character to be our lead because, like, he's kind of like, I don't think contemptible, but I guess a little contemptible.
Speaker B:
Like, he's not a hero.
Speaker B:
He's one of these, like, students who are just, like, drinking and stealing and causing a ruckus.
Speaker B:
And, like, when they find this old woman and they're like, hey, you have to let us in because we need a place.
Speaker B:
Like, he just takes a fish and starts eating it.
Speaker B:
He didn't ask, you know, and it kind of, like, speaks.
Speaker B:
And he doesn't, like, change in the story.
Speaker B:
Like, he doesn't have a moment where you're like, oh, he's gonna have, like, either, like a come, come to Jesus moment.
Speaker B:
The little baby Jesus staring at him.
Speaker B:
Or like, a moment like, like.
Speaker B:
Or like, oh, God, I really have to buckle down.
Speaker B:
And like, the power guy.
Speaker B:
No, I mean, he calls God as kind of like the rules say, which.
Speaker B:
That if I say the stuff in this book, that'll protect me.
Speaker B:
Like, that's the logic he's working on.
Speaker B:
He's never believing.
Speaker B:
And he's also constantly trying to run away from this obligation, trying to jump out of the.
Speaker B:
The.
Speaker B:
The wagon with the guys I love.
Speaker B:
I love the old guys.
Speaker B:
He.
Speaker B:
He literally jumps a fence and starts running that after that second night just to see how far he can get.
Speaker B:
Not far, but, like, yeah, he's just.
Speaker B:
You know, and the fact that he did, like, okay, so a witch did ride you like a horse magically through the sky.
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
But, like, fine.
Speaker B:
Afterward, you were fine.
Speaker B:
But Then.
Speaker B:
Then, obviously, this is kind of what seals the deal is like, he beats the witch, you know, and then.
Speaker B:
And then takes off.
Speaker B:
Like, when she becomes like, oh, a young woman, maybe she's.
Speaker B:
Yo.
Speaker B:
He just leaves.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:
Be like, hey, this is a weird thing that's happening between us.
Speaker C:
You.
Speaker C:
Okay.
Speaker B:
I'm not excusing the witch's actions, but I also feel like there's, like, you know what?
Speaker B:
Two bad things can be true at the same time.
Speaker B:
They're toxic together.
Speaker C:
But that's actually a really good point, Megan, too, because the witch doesn't seek them out.
Speaker C:
And that's something I guess I hadn't thought about before.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
Encounter with the witch is fully sparked by them showing up and being like, we need a place to stay.
Speaker B:
And she says no at first.
Speaker C:
Right.
Speaker B:
She's gonna go pull up and.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
Roaming the countryside looking for a handsome young.
Speaker C:
Which, by the way, he's very handsome.
Speaker C:
I.
Speaker C:
Every time I watch the movie, I'm like, this.
Speaker C:
This dude would clean up in Bushwick.
Speaker C:
He would be.
Speaker C:
So he just.
Speaker C:
Where I live.
Speaker C:
I'm like, with that haircut.
Speaker C:
Popular.
Speaker C:
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:
The bowl cut.
Speaker C:
People would be like, oh, my God, who are you?
Speaker C:
What's your story?
Speaker B:
Yeah, but you're a character.
Speaker C:
Yeah, but.
Speaker C:
But, yeah, you're right.
Speaker C:
Like, he.
Speaker C:
They.
Speaker C:
It's not like she's, like, roaming the countryside.
Speaker C:
She's, like, minding her business.
Speaker C:
And she's like, okay, well, if you're going to come in here and you're going to.
Speaker C:
Then I'm going to have to ride you like a bat.
Speaker B:
I got to do witch.
Speaker B:
I got to do witch stuff now.
Speaker B:
Like, that.
Speaker C:
You interrupted the witch stuff.
Speaker C:
This is really your fault.
Speaker B:
Yeah, but it's weird because, again, so there's not a hero.
Speaker B:
And it's not like.
Speaker B:
It's just.
Speaker B:
It is interesting because it's like a thing that happens to a dude, which.
Speaker B:
But I kind of like that as a thing for a fairy tale, because, like, no, no.
Speaker B:
Like, it's not like you're chosen or anything.
Speaker B:
Sometimes a thing happens, and sometimes you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, or you say the wrong thing, or you're rude to the wrong crone.
Speaker B:
And.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:
He kind of Crohn's y' all lack of faith and his.
Speaker B:
I mean, even when he does try to run away, he's like, well, I'll get all that money.
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
Like, he thinks there's still.
Speaker B:
At the end, he will get money.
Speaker B:
And then the two other guys at the end are like, yeah, if he had more faith, he probably wouldn't have died.
Speaker B:
They're like, did he die?
Speaker C:
Which, which is not.
Speaker C:
That is maybe the one big change from the short story is the short story is like, very much like, no, he died because he did this.
Speaker C:
Like, this, this is.
Speaker C:
And it does have that scene where the two guys are discussing it, but neither one is like, did he die?
Speaker C:
They're just like, oh, yeah.
Speaker C:
Sad that he's dead, but the movie's kind of like, did he.
Speaker C:
And it's like, why, why are we splaging out for this, man?
Speaker B:
Yeah, maybe a sequel.
Speaker C:
arently, in the, in the early:
Speaker C:
I, I want to say I'm going to get it, I'm going to get it wrong.
Speaker C:
It's not Jason Isaacs.
Speaker C:
I feel, I feel like it can't possibly be Jason.
Speaker C:
Jason Fleming of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen fame.
Speaker C:
And.
Speaker C:
I believe they followed that up with a couple sequels.
Speaker C:
And one of them was, like, co financed by China.
Speaker C:
So it's like V Goes east or something like that.
Speaker B:
I, I, I'm afraid I'm curious now.
Speaker B:
Damn it, Open the door.
Speaker B:
And I'm going to walk right through it.
Speaker C:
No, Megan.
Speaker C:
K.P.
Speaker C:
have more faith.
Speaker C:
You will survive for three nights.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
It's gonna be fine.
Speaker A:
Presents the CINEMATIC UNIVERSE SERIES no, I'm
Speaker B:
getting a thousand gold coins.
Speaker B:
It's fine.
Speaker B:
It's gonna be a cakewalk.
Speaker B:
I know how to draw a circle.
Speaker C:
I know how to draw a circle.
Speaker C:
I got some books I can change.
Speaker B:
I got books.
Speaker B:
What I find very interesting.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
So again, we're talking about the escalate, escalation of the three nights, right?
Speaker B:
So like, they kind of establish that, like, when she rises, she can't see him.
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
So the first one is just her.
Speaker B:
And that's why she's kind of like hitting the, the barrier, which I love, because it's like, it's like a little, it's mime.
Speaker B:
It's a little mime in there, right?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And, and then we get like, okay, she can't see, but she has a coffin.
Speaker B:
But she's still kind of on her own, so.
Speaker B:
So I love the third comes in.
Speaker B:
And that's when we finally get V. We don't get V until the very end.
Speaker B:
And it's kind of this idea of like she can't see him.
Speaker B:
Like he's protected by this circle, perhaps, maybe whatever remnant faith he has.
Speaker B:
But I love it.
Speaker B:
Another classic fairy tale thing where he's like, Just.
Speaker B:
I just won't look.
Speaker B:
I just won't look.
Speaker B:
And you won't be able to see me.
Speaker B:
And V has.
Speaker B:
This is my favorite design part.
Speaker B:
It's just this big, blocky creature, right?
Speaker B:
Like, it's almost like this troll situation.
Speaker B:
But he has these, like, super long eyelids or eyelashes that he has to ask others to flip up so he can see.
Speaker B:
But, like, then he can see, and we have our guy kind of look.
Speaker B:
Because, like, I mean.
Speaker B:
I mean, I would be curious.
Speaker B:
I gotta be honest.
Speaker B:
I love to say that.
Speaker B:
I just.
Speaker B:
I would just trust.
Speaker B:
Like, if I'm hearing, like, someone's gotta flip his eyelids open, I would probably turn to.
Speaker B:
And that what allows V to see.
Speaker B:
Like, V's vision.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker C:
He's sort of shaped just to give a visual for those who haven't seen it.
Speaker C:
He's sort of shaped like Gossamer from Looney Tunes.
Speaker C:
Who's the big orange monster that's always after Bugs Bunny, but shaved, like, tiny arms, big broad.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
And I love.
Speaker C:
I love that.
Speaker C:
You're right.
Speaker C:
It's so funny, too, because it.
Speaker C:
Like you said, there's this escalation and there's all these monsters.
Speaker C:
There's like, the skeletons and the cats and the birds and the, like, they're crawling down the walls.
Speaker C:
And there's some little people dressed as monsters, too.
Speaker C:
And some of them have really insane faces, and it's all this stuff.
Speaker C:
And then she's like, bring out V. And he comes out, and I swear to God, on the face of coma Brutus is.
Speaker C:
He's like, that's V. Like, I swear to God, he looks kind of like.
Speaker C:
Wait a second.
Speaker C:
He's like, that skeleton guy over there is a little scarier than V.
Speaker B:
He's like, you know, maybe it's not so bad.
Speaker C:
Right, Exactly.
Speaker C:
But then he's like, actually, no, I won't look at him.
Speaker C:
I won't look at him.
Speaker B:
Like, that's.
Speaker B:
It's funny because he has that.
Speaker B:
Obviously, he has that wisdom.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
But he just can't, you know, Listen, listen.
Speaker B:
I think that, like, a lot of things, like, even if we're talking, like, Orus, like, the thing of, like, don't look back, but it is so, like, tied, I think, into, like, human stories
Speaker C:
that, like, instantly has it, too.
Speaker C:
Not.
Speaker C:
Not to get biblical on you, but the.
Speaker B:
He had a Bible, so.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
Yeah, he did have a Bible.
Speaker B:
This is all.
Speaker B:
No, you're right.
Speaker B:
I like that.
Speaker B:
So, like, as a story, as an audience, you instantly understand that logic because it hadn't been set Up.
Speaker B:
It's not a thing he read.
Speaker B:
But you're like, oh, no, that's not.
Speaker B:
That makes sense.
Speaker B:
That makes sense.
Speaker B:
Don't look at the thing that can see you because I feel he can see you.
Speaker B:
But you know, our, our boy isn't a hero.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
If he had more faith in his own belief and not faith in just the rooster crowing, because that's what does him in is the rooster crows.
Speaker C:
He's like.
Speaker C:
He's like, oh, it's all over.
Speaker C:
And he looks back and it's like, you should wait just maybe two more crows.
Speaker B:
But pick up on a pattern.
Speaker A:
He's unable.
Speaker A:
This is the third.
Speaker C:
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker B:
You know, like, so it's like an hour 17.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And I appreciate that.
Speaker B:
The nights last about five to ten minutes, film wise.
Speaker B:
And the film's not interested in trying to make it seem longer.
Speaker B:
There's not a dissolve you don't see.
Speaker B:
I guess a little, little clock for some reason in the chapel.
Speaker B:
It's just a thing happened and the night's over.
Speaker B:
And I was like, I like you, movie.
Speaker B:
We saw the movie.
Speaker B:
I like you.
Speaker B:
You just get down.
Speaker B:
See, we're in, we're out.
Speaker B:
We're in or out.
Speaker B:
Like, don't, don't fill time.
Speaker B:
We don't.
Speaker B:
We don't have time.
Speaker B:
Let's just do the thing.
Speaker B:
And I was like, thanks, movie.
Speaker B:
I'm in good hands.
Speaker B:
I was afraid of repetition.
Speaker B:
Now we're good.
Speaker C:
In fact, her spell to rob him of the color of his hair maybe takes longer than the night itself of her, like crashing into the barrier in her, in her coffin car.
Speaker C:
Like, she's like, okay, well that's not going to work.
Speaker C:
I'm going to cast one spell I know can reach you.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:
That was interesting because it adds danger again because at first you're like, oh, he's safe.
Speaker B:
And then you're like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:
But she can still, she can still mess with him.
Speaker B:
So like, oh, what's.
Speaker B:
Anything's possible.
Speaker B:
Also, apparently one of the dudes took it offensively that they said, hey, you have gray hair.
Speaker B:
Like this guy, he's like, I'm sorry, that's my thing.
Speaker B:
It's my thing in this village.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
How dare.
Speaker C:
But that's what's gonna say is like, it's very funny that, like that's the thing that sort of alerts the, the villagers like, oh, maybe something else is going on here.
Speaker C:
Maybe like he.
Speaker C:
Besides the fact that he's kind of acting crazy because that's when he's Doing his little dance and everybody.
Speaker C:
Why, why are you dancing?
Speaker C:
And it's just crazy.
Speaker B:
He's just spiraling.
Speaker C:
He's spiraling.
Speaker B:
Exactly.
Speaker B:
They provided a band, though.
Speaker B:
He's like, give me some musicians.
Speaker B:
They're like, let's see.
Speaker B:
Yeah, we'll eat our Porsche.
Speaker B:
We'll watch a dinner and a show.
Speaker B:
Dinner and a show.
Speaker A:
Small town.
Speaker A:
You have to take the entertainment when you can.
Speaker A:
So, yeah, that band's been waiting their entire career for somebody to pop out and go, give me a tune.
Speaker B:
And by band, it's a guy with a.
Speaker B:
Like a flute.
Speaker B:
He never gets a chance to play it.
Speaker B:
Yeah, good for him.
Speaker C:
And also, he's a guest.
Speaker C:
You know, they're just being hospitable.
Speaker A:
Like, how many times dance.
Speaker C:
Exactly how many times have you invited somebody over for dinner?
Speaker C:
And they're like, well, we gotta dance.
Speaker C:
And you're like, I bring out the
Speaker A:
band, go get my saxophone from eighth grade.
Speaker C:
We gotta make this happen.
Speaker C:
You too, Matt.
Speaker C:
You too.
Speaker B:
I think one of the other things that.
Speaker B:
It's interesting to me, I guess they're dealing a little bit with class in that.
Speaker B:
So the only reason that he feels that need to go, well, it's because, like, the head priest guy's like, you have to go.
Speaker B:
Because they have a connection to this Lord, basically.
Speaker B:
And, like, you could tell because they were.
Speaker B:
They were bringing stuff to him and he was going to get him booked.
Speaker B:
So we know that there's a established situation there that they kind of like, have to send this dude, even though he's like, I don't.
Speaker B:
I don't want to go.
Speaker B:
Like, I. I don't.
Speaker B:
I'm not.
Speaker B:
I'm not going.
Speaker B:
He's like, yeah, you're going, though.
Speaker B:
So, like, you know, but then you have this, the father.
Speaker B:
And I think it's kind of revealed because, like, that after that second night when Korma goes there and says, listen, I don't want to.
Speaker B:
Basically, like, I don't want to be rude, but, like, your daughter kind of is in league with Satan, is a witch.
Speaker B:
Right, right, right.
Speaker C:
He does actually kind of say that.
Speaker C:
He's say, maybe your daughter might know Satan.
Speaker C:
I know.
Speaker C:
I'm not making accusations.
Speaker B:
And things got a blood last night.
Speaker B:
But, like, the dad isn't like, surprised or yells at him.
Speaker B:
He's like, yeah, but because they have the power.
Speaker B:
What's someone going to do?
Speaker B:
Like, he like, obviously, like, owns that land and that village is under if his daughter is out.
Speaker B:
Like, apparently wrote at least one other dude.
Speaker B:
We hear, like, and.
Speaker B:
And the Villagers talk about.
Speaker B:
It's Penichek.
Speaker B:
Like her title.
Speaker C:
Yes.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
Which I'm assuming is kind of like Lady.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
So apparently, like, she could do whatever the hell she wanted and no one was going to stop it anyway.
Speaker B:
But I love that thing.
Speaker B:
Like, oh, no, the dad.
Speaker B:
The dad knows you.
Speaker B:
That's not a bit of information that's going to change anything.
Speaker B:
You still got to stay there the third night.
Speaker B:
His.
Speaker B:
His little dove needs a chance at salvation, though.
Speaker B:
I don't think that was her plan.
Speaker B:
Her plan was to fuck with this guy.
Speaker B:
The dad interprets it as like she wanted her soul saved.
Speaker B:
Yeah, dad, that's exactly what I wanted.
Speaker B:
No, she wanted this guy.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
100%.
Speaker B:
Which I actually like that energy.
Speaker B:
Listen, listen, I know that which thing happened, but also, like, you know, kind of beat me to death.
Speaker B:
So I think, you know, I get to have, you know, like.
Speaker B:
I think that's only fair.
Speaker B:
It's funny because, you know, people come up sometimes.
Speaker B:
I think of what.
Speaker B:
When Shannon Doherty died and she had a list of people who weren't allowed under her funeral.
Speaker C:
Oh, my God.
Speaker B:
Opposite of that, right?
Speaker B:
Where it's like, for three days and you're gonna read my dead body?
Speaker C:
Honestly, kp, that's the energy I hope to bring in this world.
Speaker C:
I'm either creating a list of people who can't come or a list of people who have.
Speaker C:
Yes.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Take four days of pto.
Speaker A:
This is how it happens.
Speaker B:
Four years and you blow up.
Speaker C:
I was also gonna say, Matt, I have no idea how old your kids or Kid.
Speaker C:
Kid.
Speaker C:
Multiple kid.
Speaker C:
I have no idea how old.
Speaker C:
But, like, they're.
Speaker C:
They're gonna get to that stage where they're, you know, they're rebellious rock music, communing with the devil.
Speaker C:
And you're just gonna have to.
Speaker C:
You're just gonna have to go with it.
Speaker C:
You know,
Speaker A:
this is the thing, though.
Speaker A:
Gavin, he's my kid.
Speaker A:
So it's going to be that thing where it's going to go the other direction.
Speaker C:
Right?
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
He's going to be going to seminary because we just dragged him, right?
Speaker A:
Descendants.
Speaker C:
He's going to be like, hey, somebody just requested I spend three nights in their tomb.
Speaker C:
You're going to be like, I don't think it's a good idea.
Speaker B:
Maybe not.
Speaker B:
Maybe not.
Speaker A:
How much did you say they're paying?
Speaker C:
Yeah, a thousand rubles.
Speaker B:
Maybe we can swing it.
Speaker B:
Go to your college fund.
Speaker A:
You have been wanting that Nintendo Switch.
Speaker A:
So
Speaker B:
I. I want to talk a little more about that final scene because it's not just like creatures coming out.
Speaker B:
They do a great effect where it's like they're coming down the wall.
Speaker B:
The thing that got me the first thing is the hands.
Speaker B:
Yes, kp, you did exactly that.
Speaker B:
Because at first I was like, okay, hands coming through the wall.
Speaker B:
Creepy.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And then, like, you get another shot, you realize they're the size of him.
Speaker B:
Like, it's like a forest of these, like, blue gray hands.
Speaker B:
I'm like, where does that visual come from?
Speaker B:
Like, like, what is this referencing?
Speaker B:
You know?
Speaker B:
And then there was like this weird skeleton tentacle creature that we only see once.
Speaker B:
And I'm like, oh, go back to him.
Speaker B:
I like him.
Speaker B:
I want his story.
Speaker B:
But it keeps coming, the kids keep coming, you know, and the short story
Speaker C:
provides none of that.
Speaker C:
Like, that is the creation of the filmmakers.
Speaker C:
It's basically like, I'm not saying it's not descriptive, but it's basically kind of like ghouls, you know, like, you know, and I read a translation, but like, it's kind of like, yeah.
Speaker C:
And then all the ghouls come and not great.
Speaker B:
The filmmakers were like, oh, we'll give you ghoul.
Speaker B:
And I love how through different, like, practical effects, impossible, like physics happen.
Speaker B:
Like, there's one thing where, like, these ghouls are like, coming through the wall.
Speaker B:
And like, theoretically, I know, okay, there's probably space behind the wall that's.
Speaker B:
But like, when you're just looking at it straight, it looks like they're just kind of emerging through like the, the, the wood.
Speaker B:
And you're like, oh, that's disconcerting because you can't, like, you can't stop it up.
Speaker B:
Like, they don't.
Speaker B:
It doesn't have to be ghoul sized holes.
Speaker B:
They'll just, they'll just come through.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And it's almost like they're crawling and like, it's, ugh.
Speaker B:
It's good stuff.
Speaker C:
And that's one of my favorite things in horror movies.
Speaker C:
Actually.
Speaker C:
I, I talked about this before years ago on a podcast that doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker C:
But there was the Tribeca Film Institute's podcast, and I, I got to Talk with Glenn McQuaid, who's a genre filmmaker himself.
Speaker C:
I was talking about how, like, lack of physics is something in horror movies that always gets me.
Speaker C:
I'd like, I think of when I was a kid, the original Nightmare on Elm street, the, the shot that bothered me the most, which doesn't hold up by any means, but it was very cool as a kid, is Freddie has this like really long, bendy arm at one point where he's like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:
And it freaked me out as a child.
Speaker C:
Or I think of the.
Speaker C:
There's an opening scene to De Argento's Inferno, which is his, like, pseudo sequel to Suspiria, where this woman, like, goes.
Speaker C:
Finds, like, an entire house underwater, and the scene lasts for, like, 10 minutes, and she never comes up for air.
Speaker C:
And I'm just.
Speaker C:
The whole time, I'm just like, how is she breathing?
Speaker B:
This isn't right.
Speaker C:
Yeah, so that's the.
Speaker C:
I love that lack of physics because.
Speaker C:
And.
Speaker C:
And it's so well employed, like you said, because it does look like they're just phasing out of nowhere.
Speaker C:
They're just coming.
Speaker C:
And you're right, like, obviously, like, your brain is like, yeah, there's a door, but.
Speaker C:
But it's so cool.
Speaker B:
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:
Oh, God.
Speaker B:
What else is the other.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Decided to, like, crawling down the walls.
Speaker B:
They're coming out of corners.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Like, I'm, like.
Speaker B:
I'm like.
Speaker B:
I'm like.
Speaker B:
I'm confused.
Speaker B:
I'm a little, like, grossed out.
Speaker B:
There's something a little gross.
Speaker B:
Like, not a lot.
Speaker B:
They're not.
Speaker B:
They're not gooey.
Speaker B:
We like horror goo here.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Love a good goo.
Speaker B:
It's not gooey.
Speaker B:
So the thing that this film's missing, but it's like a dryness, actually, because of all the cobwebs and you almost hear creaking, which I. I have realized.
Speaker B:
I. I do not like, but in a good way.
Speaker B:
I like.
Speaker B:
I like the moist.
Speaker B:
The moistness of a horror goo.
Speaker B:
It's too dry out there.
Speaker B:
Blue gives, like, an ashen, maybe feel.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
Like.
Speaker B:
And the paint, like you were saying earlier, it just has that, yes, dry, ashy, like, dusty feeling.
Speaker C:
And like.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
Desiccated.
Speaker C:
Desiccated is actually.
Speaker C:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:
The Matt with the.
Speaker C:
With the vocabulary coming in, it is that.
Speaker C:
But the.
Speaker C:
I know.
Speaker C:
I'm sure this is not, like, an influence in any way because, you know, very different parts of the world and whatnot.
Speaker C:
But, like, I. I think of, like, you know, Dante's Inferno, and the center of hell is frozen and whatnot.
Speaker C:
And so, like, that sort of blue, cold, desolate and whatnot.
Speaker C:
That it's.
Speaker C:
It's not warm at all.
Speaker C:
It's not, you know, that sort of loneliness, too, because he is alone.
Speaker C:
Like, no one believed him.
Speaker C:
And when they find him, they're just kind of like.
Speaker C:
Well, I guess he was right.
Speaker B:
Oh, my God.
Speaker B:
Like, when, like, the head priest guy comes in there.
Speaker B:
Look, looks at.
Speaker B:
Looks at, like, the crone corpse, because she's turned into the crown.
Speaker B:
Right.
Speaker B:
Looks at falling apart.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
The student he knows and sent there, and he literally just turns around and walks.
Speaker B:
Oh, he doesn't even, like, check on the body or he just like, nope, not my problem.
Speaker A:
Full Abe Simpson.
Speaker C:
Yeah,
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
He's.
Speaker C:
It's almost as if he's saying, you know, I warned him.
Speaker B:
It's like, what?
Speaker B:
You basically forced him here the three nights.
Speaker B:
Where's my check?
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:
That's going to go to the monastery.
Speaker C:
Right.
Speaker B:
Since I'm here, I'll just take it with me.
Speaker B:
Write that out.
Speaker B:
And I love then that we end back at, like, the seminary with, like, the two other guys who apparently were fine at the witch's place.
Speaker B:
And, like, yeah, they're great.
Speaker B:
And like, Corma's already kind of become folklore himself because they keep going like, okay.
Speaker B:
Because they keep saying, like, what did he do?
Speaker B:
And like, what?
Speaker B:
And then, like, maybe he's not dead.
Speaker B:
Who knows?
Speaker B:
And they're not, like, torn up about it.
Speaker B:
They're not upset.
Speaker B:
In fact, they're doing what they always do, which is like, they're trying, like, they're.
Speaker B:
They're trying not to work and, like, slack off, you know, they're just, like, drinking and eating, I think, scallions, some sort of onion.
Speaker B:
And like, I like.
Speaker B:
Because they're telling something that actually happened partly to them.
Speaker C:
Right.
Speaker B:
But the rest of it is it's a story now.
Speaker B:
He's a story.
Speaker B:
Maybe a warning.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
I was gonna say he's become a cautionary tale, which is very funny because it's a cautionary tale that they're clearly not heeding.
Speaker C:
They're just using as, like, a way to, like, entertain themselves.
Speaker B:
Yes.
Speaker C:
He's like, yeah, maybe that's him coming up the hill right now.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
I was like, wow, you.
Speaker B:
You went to school with this guy.
Speaker B:
You were careful with him.
Speaker B:
He's damn.
Speaker B:
Life's tough.
Speaker A:
Guys being guys, dunking on him no matter what.
Speaker A:
It's just guys being dudes.
Speaker B:
Guys being dudes.
Speaker B:
But the thing is, they're at a seminary.
Speaker B:
The theory is that they're going to go on to be some sort of religious or what they call Korma, the philosopher.
Speaker B:
Thank you, KP Tails.
Speaker B:
Hell, yeah.
Speaker C:
How they refer to them in the short story too, specifically, like, the three different, like, order, the theologian, the philosopher, whatnot.
Speaker C:
And that's.
Speaker C:
So that's how you can tell them apart in the short story.
Speaker C:
So I like that they kept that element even though, like, we now have visual Aid.
Speaker C:
And we can just see that they're different people.
Speaker C:
But.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And their titles did not help them.
Speaker B:
But again, they did not live up to their titles.
Speaker C:
No.
Speaker B:
No.
Speaker B:
You think they just were like, yeah, I guess I'll go to school for this.
Speaker B:
I'll get money and access to things.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
Had to be, like, going to school for H vac now.
Speaker B:
Well, there's that fraternity.
Speaker B:
Because the detail is, like, when the.
Speaker B:
The Lord is asking karma, like, he's like, do you.
Speaker B:
Like, who's your dad?
Speaker B:
Who's your mom?
Speaker B:
And he's like, I don't have either.
Speaker B:
I'm like, is this just.
Speaker B:
Is this an orphanage?
Speaker B:
Is this just like a.
Speaker B:
Like, is that what it is?
Speaker B:
Is no one's been called to it.
Speaker B:
They're just put there because there's nowhere else.
Speaker B:
So, like, that's what you're basing.
Speaker B:
You're like, you know what?
Speaker B:
Who knows?
Speaker B:
Maybe they allowed this as religion because, like, it does not show religion as particularly in a good light.
Speaker C:
Right, right, Exactly.
Speaker C:
Because they're still being paid off, you know, bought off by the.
Speaker C:
They're like, whatever.
Speaker C:
Like, he's the rich guy.
Speaker C:
You gotta go do it.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I do that.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Sneakily.
Speaker B:
It's also about power.
Speaker B:
Like, it could be about religion, but it's also about who is sending you places and why.
Speaker B:
And do you have a way to say no?
Speaker B:
And.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
ything at the Soviet Union in:
Speaker C:
Well, I was gonna say, like.
Speaker C:
And then it becomes, like, a perfect, like, kind of like, hey, guys, what about this?
Speaker C:
And there.
Speaker C:
So, yeah, subversive quality is certainly there, baked into the concept.
Speaker B:
Subversive folklore.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
And it's just like a nice.
Speaker B:
It is the exact length it needs to be.
Speaker B:
Absolutely.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
And I don't think.
Speaker C:
I mean, I don't know if you could stretch that story any further either, because.
Speaker C:
And it's so beautifully done.
Speaker C:
And I know, obviously, like, part of that.
Speaker C:
Because you were mentioning how the nights are kind of short or just the length that they are.
Speaker C:
I mean, part of that is just the effects that they're dealing with at the time, too, because they're like.
Speaker C:
Because I guess there was some attempt to maybe do something further, and they just didn't have the technology at the time.
Speaker C:
And so they're like, listen, we're getting what we're getting.
Speaker C:
But I, I think it plays out perfectly.
Speaker C:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:
It feels more super gorgeous.
Speaker B:
Oh, my God.
Speaker B:
Right?
Speaker B:
Like, I'm just like, I, I, this is gorgeous.
Speaker B:
I, I'm also Terrified.
Speaker B:
I'm gonna have a nightmare, but I wanna watch some more.
Speaker B:
What if I went and took an Airbnb there?
Speaker B:
Like a little.
Speaker B:
Yeah, listen, I'll light every candle.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
And I'll just make sure there's a nice bed in there.
Speaker B:
Besides that, I think I could rock that room.
Speaker B:
It has a vibe.
Speaker C:
The circle just needs to.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
There's the one problem.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
You lay up in the ceiling and surprise, there's a big Jesus face up there, which I love that they.
Speaker B:
We don't see it right away.
Speaker B:
No.
Speaker B:
Like.
Speaker B:
Oh.
Speaker B:
Oh, damn.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
So that might.
Speaker B:
I might need like a canopy.
Speaker B:
I just.
Speaker B:
That's intense.
Speaker B:
That's just really.
Speaker C:
Privacy, sir.
Speaker C:
Thank you.
Speaker B:
I got your baby version.
Speaker B:
Just daggers at me.
Speaker B:
And then I got this going on
Speaker A:
canopy post it notes, I think.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Did we cover this on that one?
Speaker C:
It's a short film too.
Speaker C:
Like, I feel bad.
Speaker C:
Like, you know, it's hard to.
Speaker C:
I, you know, it's hard to like stretch it out too, because of the.
Speaker C:
Of the way that you know it.
Speaker C:
But.
Speaker C:
But it is, It's.
Speaker C:
It's such a joy.
Speaker C:
If I.
Speaker C:
If I can.
Speaker C:
And this is a bit of a shameless plug for.
Speaker C:
That was one of the joys I had about editing One Night Cherub.
Speaker C:
Cause One Night Cherub is a fun little creature feature.
Speaker C:
And I'm literally going to take every second I can to plug it real quick.
Speaker C:
Directed by the brilliant Austin King, who's a very young filmmaker and I think he's got a big future in front of him.
Speaker C:
Produced by him and his husband, Steven Hanson, who make up Cloudy House Pictures.
Speaker C:
They were so nice to invite me to edit it because I've known.
Speaker C:
Similar to you, Matt, I've known Austin through the Internet, the great unifier.
Speaker C:
And not the thing that's.
Speaker C:
And not the thing that's destroying all of our brains and causing all of our problems.
Speaker A:
He had good rub.
Speaker A:
There was a window there where exactly
Speaker C:
it was good for a good five years.
Speaker C:
But that was one of the things when editing it, I was like, oh.
Speaker C:
Like, I.
Speaker C:
And I didn't.
Speaker C:
When Austin first told me about it, pitch me out, I was like, there's no way you're gonna pull this off.
Speaker C:
And I know that's horrible of me to say.
Speaker C:
And then I.
Speaker C:
When I got the footage, I was like, oh, this looks great.
Speaker C:
Like, I'm shocked.
Speaker C:
Like this creature.
Speaker C:
Like you're doing a really cool thing with this creature feature.
Speaker C:
And it was cool to be able to have that experience, to be able to do something and contribute to something like that.
Speaker C:
So that's maybe my, like, little tribute to V as well, too.
Speaker C:
When.
Speaker C:
When you came to me and I was like, I want to talk about V. I want to talk about something that has, like, fun stop motion weirdness in it, involved.
Speaker C:
Not that the.
Speaker C:
Not that the Cherub was stop motion, but he was a very cool puppet.
Speaker C:
So.
Speaker B:
Yeah, he's a.
Speaker B:
He's a.
Speaker B:
He's a. I love killer critters, so Demi stole my heart instantly.
Speaker B:
And I feel like V also has, like.
Speaker B:
It has a variety of sizes of critters that kill you, which.
Speaker B:
Which is nice because you like to be scared at different levels.
Speaker B:
Like, you can't look up, you can't look down.
Speaker B:
You can't look.
Speaker C:
It's so true.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
You don't get a stiff neck.
Speaker B:
You're always moving.
Speaker C:
Even if he was to drop to the floor, there'd be a cat or a bird.
Speaker B:
There's no relief.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Any audience you get a chance to see One Night Cherub, you're our audience.
Speaker B:
And if you didn't see it at a festival, you should go to the next, because fomo.
Speaker B:
But also, like, you'll like it.
Speaker B:
It's exactly what you want.
Speaker B:
It's a beautiful little creature feature.
Speaker B:
It's wonderfully queer.
Speaker B:
I don't know if there's a lesson.
Speaker B:
No, there's not a lesson, but that's okay.
Speaker B:
Sometimes.
Speaker B:
You know what?
Speaker B:
Another V thing.
Speaker B:
Sometimes things just happen.
Speaker C:
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:
Exactly.
Speaker C:
I was going to say V has a lovely message about how you should be strong in your faith, and One Night Cherub.
Speaker C:
No.
Speaker C:
Does not.
Speaker B:
Okay.
Speaker B:
It's all right.
Speaker B:
You know what?
Speaker B:
Wait, you know what?
Speaker B:
Like, maybe that hookup's worth it, maybe it's not.
Speaker B:
I don't know exactly.
Speaker C:
I mean, you guys brilliantly paired it with Nightstage, but thematically, I was like, got it.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker C:
You understood.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
The movie I yelled at the most, I'm at home watching the screen.
Speaker B:
It hits, like, a certain, like, halfway point, and I'm yelling at every single character.
Speaker B:
Stop making that decision.
Speaker B:
You should know better.
Speaker B:
You should know better.
Speaker B:
Well, you.
Speaker B:
Stop it.
Speaker B:
You weren't even a problem, and now you are anyway.
Speaker C:
Background him.
Speaker C:
He knows better.
Speaker B:
Anyway.
Speaker B:
Hey, also, watch Night Stage if you like yelling.
Speaker B:
And this is a pot.
Speaker B:
This is a compliment.
Speaker B:
I was engaged.
Speaker B:
I was just sitting there, eating my popcorn, saying, what a mess.
Speaker B:
And this is great.
Speaker B:
This is great.
Speaker B:
From the comfort of my own home.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
I was like, listen, you know what?
Speaker B:
You need a strong director in theater.
Speaker B:
You can't just Be make stuff up.
Speaker B:
That's where I got from it.
Speaker B:
Like, you need to have safety tools.
Speaker B:
You need to go through and see what people are comfortable with.
Speaker B:
Or this happens.
Speaker C:
This happens.
Speaker B:
Yep.
Speaker B:
There we go.
Speaker B:
I went to a.
Speaker B:
Sorry.
Speaker B:
I went to a performing arts school.
Speaker B:
I saw things.
Speaker A:
This is my favorite part of every show when I have to try to land the plane.
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You got it?
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Yeah.
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Here.
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Here you go.
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Yeah.
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So, V, thank you again, Gavin, for
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bringing this to us.
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Yes, thank you.
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Everybody listening.
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If you haven't watched it already, which I don't know why you haven't, it's 77 minutes.
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Go watch it.
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Exactly.
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It's brilliant.
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And yeah, never would have seen it without your suggestion, Gavin.
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And I am.
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I feel like so much the richer for it.
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Like, it is such.
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Such a great movie.
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So many, like, building blocks for the things we love years later.
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Yeah.
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Please go watch it if you haven't already.
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And Gavin, thank you so much for being here.
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Thank you so much for having me
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sharing this with us.
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Please come back anytime.
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We'd love to have you back.
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I would love that.
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Seriously, I love this show.
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I love the festival.
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I'm currently holding my Stressed Potatoes.
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It stays here at my editing desk with me.
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So, like, I use it a lot.
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So
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for real, my favorite thing we
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ever made is that it's so good.
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What a brilliant idea.
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Yeah.
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So thank you.
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Gavin, is there anything you want to talk about?
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Any projects you've got going on, any.
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Oh, there, I'm sorry.
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I just saw the Multi eyed potato, so I.
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The Many eyed potatoes.
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Yeah.
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Always ready to be hired if anybody needs a cool editor for film, television, whatnot.
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Can't really talk about anything.
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I'm currently doing.
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Doing.
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Doing a bunch of ads and stuff.
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So it's not.
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It's not like I'm like, ooh, secret.
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It's not like, like, stay tuned to my Instagram and you'll find out.
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No, it's ads, but not that I'm not thankful for the work.
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Thank you, everybody.
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Exactly.
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But.
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But, yeah, thank you so much.
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done that's been around since:
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And we just.
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We take.
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It's a monthly podcast where we take a film subject, such as an actor, director, or mini genre film history.
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We.
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We learn as much as we can and then we watch as many movies as we can and we give all that information back to the audience and then we Tell people what we like, what we don't like.
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In our next episode.
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Speaking of genre is about Wes Craven.
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So that's.
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Yeah, I was gonna say good.
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Good old Uncle Wes.
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RIP.
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And then my other podcast is called the Q Division, which is done with my good friend Chell Zeicholtz, and it's a James Bond rewatch podcast.
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But we're gonna be branching out into other things because we're getting.
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We're getting to the modern era and I don't want to stop podcasting with her because she's.
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So we're gonna start covering other spy films that are not quite James Bond centered but James Bond centric or inspired,
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like the Inlay Flint and all that stuff.
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Yep, yep, that's on.
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On the list.
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Reflection in a Dead Diamond.
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Oh, that's weird.
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Oh, my God.
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We showed that an anomaly.
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You did, you did.
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And, and if you.
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And by the way, like, not to plug something that you didn't show, but like, if you like Reflection in a Dead diamond, obviously danger.
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Diabolic.
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Huge inspiration on that movie.
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Double feature him, baby.
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You like that mask thing.
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And then hopefully we'll see Gavin again at the film festival this year's edition.
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I hope you can make it too.
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It's November.
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I would love to.
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If you need more information, check out anomalyfilmfest.com Anomaly Film Fest on all the Socials.
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Meg does an incredible job.
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Yeah, come hassle me on the socials.
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Don't hassle me on the Socials.
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Let's just be cool.
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Let's just be friends.
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Like Kevin and I were saying, we had that five year window where the Internet.
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Let's keep Anomaly Socials just as cool as everything was.
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Now you're gonna have a heck of a three nights on those social media.
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Did the block circle 10.
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Megan, is the Tom in your top eight for the next?
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And again, thank you again for coming in and hanging with us.
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We'll do it again sometime, I hope very soon.
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And for everybody listening, thank you very much for spending the time with us.
