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Business Lunch III: The Psychedelic Arms Race ft. Shelby Hartman
Episode 25 • Bonus Episode • 14th October 2026 • The Trip Report Report • Lubb Dupp Studios
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It's a beautiful day in Topanga Canon. The breeze is blowing, the birds are chirping, and as we wait for some extravagantly priced breakfast burritos we're joined for Business Lunch by psychedelic media icon Shelby Hartman. After some of the hottest months in psychedelic capitalism to date, there is much to discuss, and with such special company, no location would be more idyllic than the breathtaking Inn of the Seventh Ray. Despite Kai’s ill timed and quite frankly unprofessional digestional distress (gross) we make the most of our afternoon as we reflect on our president making quips about trying Ibogaine in the Oval Office, the implications of the largest pharma company in the world purchasing ATAI Beckley, and the consequences of drinking unfiltered water from a stream in a fire ravaged canyon.

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This episode features music by East Forest and John Hopkins as well as Poranguí

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