In this thought-provoking episode of the Remedial Scholar, we engage in a comprehensive exploration of the Jack the Ripper murders, a case that not only shocked Victorian society but continues to elicit intrigue to this day. We meticulously reconstruct the events surrounding the murders, providing a detailed account of each victim's tragic story, and contextualizing these events within the broader spectrum of societal attitudes towards women and poverty in late 19th-century London. Our conversation reveals the stark realities faced by the women who became victims, often marginalized and overlooked by a society that deemed them expendable. As we dissect the investigation, we highlight the failures of law enforcement, the sensationalist media frenzy, and the public's insatiable curiosity that contributed to the Ripper's enduring legacy. Ultimately, this episode invites listeners to reflect on the intersection of crime and society while considering the implications of historical narratives in shaping contemporary perceptions of victimhood and justice.

Hello and welcome to the Remedial Scholar.

I am Levi and I wanted to give you this little preview intro ahead of the episode just because this is kind of a special one.

You might be wondering where the show's been, what's been going on.

Some of you are new listeners, in which case ignore this message.

But in truth, you know, I kind of was just struggling with being inspired with writing and researching all of the stuff for the show and was looking for a way to kind of spice things up.

So this episode in particular is a redo.

And this is where I am joined by either a friend of the show, fan of the show, combination of the two who have.

Or maybe they have some specific interest or expert opinion.

And this is going to be something that I'm going to sprinkle in in the future.

It's not always going to be a redo.

There are new episodes coming down the pipeline too, with guests and by myself, like there will be a little bit of both, mostly by myself because it's very hard to get people to have two and a half hours to record.

But that's neither here nor there.

This episode, you'll notice, is going to be slightly different than the original one.

It's going to be hopefully shorter.

In this case, very hopefully shorter.

But also it's going to have, you know, some banter back and forth between me and the guest and there's a lot of other new things going on, new website, new merch.

Not going to heavy hand that so much right now.

But I just wanted to give you guys a heads up.

That's what's, that's what this episode is.

That's what a couple of them are going to be.

And with out further ado, I give you the redo of Jack the Ripper.

That's ancient history.

I feel I was denied critical need to know information.

Belongs in a museum.

Stop skipping your remedial class.

Welcome, friends, to the Remedial Scholar.

I am Levi and I got a little bit of a curveball, a little, little switcheroony action on you.

I'm joined by my lesser half of west of Nowhere, Shane.

Hello.

What's going on, man?

If you listen to this show and you don't listen to that, I don't blame you.

You know, it's.

It's almost too powerful us to in the same ear canal, obtaining the same space at the same time.

So, you know, I've been told my voice is very soothing.

Yeah, yeah, it's like a, like a little bit of honey when you, when you got A sore throat, you know, just.

Just fixes everything.

If you are new to the show, thank you for joining me.

We are going to be going through topic that I've already covered, but this is.

This is a different version because it.

This is like Taylor Swift, you know, Taylor's version.

It's.

I'm trying something different.

So Shane's version.

Yeah, yeah, basically.

Yeah.

That's what's going on.

We have a pretty.

I hesitate to use the word fun.

It's a pretty intense story and also one of the most famous ones, but there's a lot of minutia that people don't understand or know about Jack the Ripper.

Obviously, you know it's Jack the Ripper.

If you clicked on this, you saw that.

But, yeah, it's kind of like the birth of the true crime genre in a way.

And we'll find more about that out in a little bit.

But the game plan, I'm gonna say some stuff and then Shane, as is tradition, is gonna be my.

My laughing guy in the.

In the background.

What?

That's crazy.

You're sounding bored.

Yeah, no, but please feel free to ask questions along the way because chances are if you have questions and people listening are gonna have questions and, you know, you're no Victorian true crime expert by any means.

Yeah, not at all.

You just Play 1 on TV.

So that being said, this is what we're gonna do.

We're gonna go through the setting of these crimes, look at the socioeconomic mess that is the East End of London, how newspapers made things worse and also weirder in a.

In a way.

And we're going to walk through the victims.

Well, we're not going to walk through them.

We're going to go through them one by one, though.

You get it.

And in the investigation and suspects and, you know, trying to keep it respectful, but we are a couple wild boys, so anything is possible.

Yeah.

Are you ready there, fella?

I'm ready, dude.

Learn.

Okay.

Yeah.

Learn you.

So what do you know about Jack the Ripper?

Let's just start there.

Let's see.

Correct.

Okay.

And then I know that there was a lot of rumors that surrounded him as far as being.

But I think the most popular one was that he was actually a doctor.

Right.

And that he killed.

You know, he killed and maimed prostitutes, essentially.

Yeah.

Do you know why they.

They think it.

He was a doctor?

Because of, like, the surgical accuracy that he, like, removed organs and stuff from the Bodies.

Dang, look at you go all learnificated already.

Don't even need me.

Did you know that Jack the Ripper might have hated women?

I mean, I could guess that.

Yeah.

Well, that was news to me.

I was reading all this and I'm like, I don't know, this guy seems.

Seems to not particularly enjoy hanging out with women.

But, you know, so that is one big thing about him also.

Another thing about him is that he was pretty well versed in the neighborhood.

Well, not neighborhood, the district in which he was killing.

The Whitechapel district, which is in London's East End.

Or a little more closer in time, I would say.

If you are ever in Dan Denis and red Dead Redemption 2, you know, that built very similar, that city.

So anyway, I feel like with that being said about how you say, you know, he knew like the alleyways very well with the fact that they.

Back then, law enforcement was very heavily on a presence.

Yeah, there's got to be a rumor that he was a cop too.

Oh, okay.

Well, I haven't ever heard that one particularly.

We can, we can look into that.

So London's East End specifically, it wasn't just a labyrinth.

It was also pretty destitute and also completely chock full of people.

It was an old middle ages town that had, you know, walls for protecting against the Vikings when they showed up and whatnot, you know, and the population had grown so large that they had to start expanding the city past these walls.

Wow.

Right.

And it was all sorts of different things.

There's a lot of immigration from fleeing from famine, persecution, a lot of poor laborers from different countries kind of coming around, or even neighboring English cities and stuff.

So London, being a very populous place, had a lot of jobs, a lot of factory stuff, you know, a lot of people just trying to survive.

And a lot of them ended up in the East End.

Yeah.

So there's not a whole lot of planning in this area or in the city in general.

Not a lot of sanitation.

Pretty messy and dirty and downtrodden, I guess.

Whitechapel itself had four times the city's average population density, which is insane.

It had over 180 people per acre.

And most of these people lived in lodging houses.

Are you familiar with that?

I mean I would assume it's something similar to what we would now use, what we would now call hotels except for probably just a house that they would rent the individual rooms out to people.

People, yeah.

So they were mostly like apartment buildings and you would get a.

All access.

Was it.

What do they call the wooden year apartments?

Bathroom and toy.

Bathroom and bedroom are in the same room.

Studio flat.

Yeah, studio, yeah, yeah.

This is just like very jam packed.

They didn't have bathrooms in there either.

But so most of the people lived in these and then they were also on a night to night basis.

So if you didn't have money by the time the sun went down, you didn't get to stay there.

Which also kind of puts a lot of flux into how people were able to live there.

And I mentioned that there's a lot of people coming there for jobs.

Well that's because they had a job market.

But when more people show up for jobs tends to dry up when that many people show up.

So women would be cleaning houses or be sewing in sweatshops.

Some would like find flowers and sell them.

And a lot of these would be older or sick women.

And then the ones who weren't ended up in sex work because that's the only thing they really had to do outside of that as the one thing you can always sell basically prostitution at the time, not illegal, which is kind of, kind of crazy to think about proper London.

But everything about prostitution was illegal, kind of illegal.

It was illegal to solicit people to loiter and to be a public disorder basically.

So they would arrest them not for engaging in prostitution but for anything that they needed to do to find John's which is, I mean at that point just make it illegal.

You know, it's kind of up.

Yeah.

So they could be arrested and were arrested for anything at the wrong time if they wanted to.

So what, you know, what do you think about these conditions and, and, and knowing what you know about the killer himself, I mean it had to be.

Easy pickings, you know, I mean like because I mean I understand that he primarily, I mean, I guess he only went after sex workers.

But like those had to be the like one girl had a bad night, you know, she didn't like get enough to get a room.

So then she's just out and he's like, oh, there you go.

Like a picky.

Like a flower.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know.

I mean, I guess obviously you could say he hated women.

But also, I think what other thing that, like, that they've, like, found about serial killers over the years is that, like, it's not necessarily that they hate women.

It's that sex workers are viewed as less than.

Because of our.

Oh, yeah.

Predominantly, like, Christian views on the world especially.

Yeah.

Super, like, patriarchal, like.

Yeah, yeah, I can see that.

Yeah.

So I would.

I would venture to say that he's probably.

I would.

I would, like.

He was probably Catholic, too.

So, you know.

Okay.

You know, I don't like these women because they sell their bodies, and that's against the Lord.

The Lord.

Yeah.

All right, well, I'm gonna need you to take a.

Like, keep a mental track list and, like, put together all your clues, and I. I have some suspects at the end that.

I'm gonna have you guesstimate who it is.

All right.

So just to make things even messier, in the messy part of East End, the Whitechapel district was actually covered in zone coverage, as sports fans would know is two police forces had Whitechapel.

Parts of Whitechapel in their jurisdiction.

So you had the Metropolitan Police and the City of London Police, and they did not like to cooperate.

Go figure.

Yeah.

So this is.

And this kind of reminds me of the zodiac killings in the 60s.

Very much the same.

Where the San Francisco PD and all the small towns in the areas near his where his victims were found would, like, never share information because they all wanted to be the guy, you know, that caught him.

And their ego over cooperation is not ideal when there is a serial killer on the loose.

So all of this poverty, overcrowding, bad policing, desperation, it is not really just a backdrop.

It's kind of what allowed Jack the Ripper to thrive in the way he did.

He didn't kill in the shadows.

He was born in them.

He's actually Bane.

How did you.

How did we miss it?

Yeah.

So with that, we enter the story.

The winding alleys, the dimly lit lodging houses, and the first of the five canonical victims known as the canonical five.

We have Marianne Polly Nichols.

And she was 43 at the time of her death.

She had five kids, a drinking problem, and a life full of setbacks.

She was once married to a man who was a printer, which was actually a really great job to have because the newspaper market was booming.

So this guy would, like, basically set the little.

I guess they're just letters and.

Yeah.

Like, kind of like, set the machine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's a pretty good job then.

They were.

Things were doing good but they ended up splitting.

Not really known for sure why, but they suspect that it might have had something to do with her drinking.

And this is also, like, back in, you know, we have this stereotype of housewives in the.

That are all, like, volumed up and just zooted and hanging out.

We didn't have a lot of the things that, you know, kind of.

Kind of let people relax.

So whatever reason, they split.

And then she would bounce from workhouses, friends houses, and then women's only lodgings houses.

She was described by those who knew her as quiet, clean, and not someone who chases men.

Her story would eventually get kind of twisted up in the media later, just kind of.

Well, we think we know this and this and this, but really all we know is that she was broke and alone and then trying to make, you know, money to stay in a lodging house one night.

She had no money for lodging that night.

A friend offered to cover her stay, which is cool, but she said no.

She's prideful.

She's.

I'm gonna earn my way.

And her last words to her friends said, it won't be long before I'm back.

So that's rough.

And obviously she never made it.

Around 3:40 in the morning, a car man named Charles Cross found her body on Bucks Row.

He thought it was a tarp at first.

And then a second guy, Robert Paul, joined him and they felt her hands and they were cold.

And then her legs, which were warm.

And so they were like, well, she's probably just hammered because not that unusual for a person to be just crashed out on the side of the road at this, in this place in time.

So they're like, her legs are warm.

I don't know.

So they didn't know because it was three in the morning that her throat had been cut twice, her abdomen had been slashed open, her eyes were wide and her bonnet next to her was covered or kind of covered in blood and mud.

The first officer to get to the scene had passed that exact spot just 30 minutes before.

And like you said, there's a lot of police doing rounds, you know, so what, you kind of peeked up at that?

What was that?

What's your reaction to how close that time window is?

I think that's a little.

I think it's a. I mean, obviously, like I was saying, it makes sense that a cop was Doing this.

But it would have to be a cop from like a medical, like a, like his father was a surgeon or something and he like learned from his father, but then was like, I don't want to follow my dad.

I don't want to live in a.

Shit my own man.

Yeah, I'm going to kill people.

Wait, I think that's a little crazy that you're telling me 30 minutes prior you didn't see that body there.

Yes, well, and you gotta, you gotta take into account like we.

They didn't have the big LED flashlights either.

They're kind of.

Okay.

So it's like.

Okay, you said.

Yeah.

3:30 in the morning.

So it's dark.

Yeah, yeah.

So if he just happened to not look at that side of the street when he came down, as opposed to, you know, because they're kind of walking and doing this move with the lantern, they're kind of.

Yeah.

Going back and forth.

So.

But it's still like, if she's still warm, the argument could be made.

She might have actually been murdered pretty quickly, like in relation to when she was found.

So yeah, they, they found her and they took her body to the mortuary and that's where they realized the full extent of her injuries.

There's a very deep abdominal wounds, not as extensive as those that we'll hear about soon, but it also took a long time to figure out who she was.

And you know, they can't just post on Facebook.

They kind of had to make a thing in the, in the paper.

Be like, hey, we found this dead lady and she fits this description.

If that sounds like somebody, you know, come to the thing and check her out.

So eventually her, her estranged father, her son and her ex husband all came because they were like, ah, that kind of sounds like somebody I know.

So that's, that's tough having the, the son have to.

Yeah.

Identify his mom.

That's that stuff.

Yeah, she was buried on September 6, super private.

But the, the word got out and the neighborhood like flocked to this thing.

So the press was like, hey, there's a murder on the loose and this is the lady that got killed.

Which I don't know why you're busting up the funeral.

Like she's not going to give you any information there.

Like, what's the point other than just.

And I mean, you said seven or.

No, you said a million people that's.

Okay.

Yeah.

So murder had to be pretty commonplace at a.

Like, to a certain point.

So one chick cut up in the street.

I don't feel like should have drawn that much attention.

Well, I mean, yes, but no, like.

Like, it is.

The.

The type of killings is very specific in that it does stand out.

Like, yes, there's, you know, different kind of homicides all over the place and crimes of passion, a husband killing a wife, whatever.

But these are a little more intense, I guess, for lack of a better word, where they.

You clearly tell that this was not done, and it's like, yeah, they just kind of got crazy.

A little too much to drink and it was a barfa or whatever.

It was like, okay, well, this is crazy.

This is a lot.

I think you can definitely tell it's his first actual murder because he slit her throat twice.

Yeah, yeah.

And that.

And I didn't go into the details, but the.

The coroner did say that they.

There was one that was slightly shallower than the other.

The first one was shallower.

And it's like, okay, gotta go in a second time.

And then the abdomen obviously was slid open and disemboweled for a little bit.

Like, it was just kind of like hanging out.

It wasn't like, torn out, but yeah.

So there.

And this is as we know it.

It escalates.

But this is.

It does seem like very haphazard in a way where the other part is, well, okay, was he being rushed?

You know, is that why he kind of, like, hurried and, like, didn't get it right or like, just tried to get it over with?

I don't know.

So these are all things to think about as we move forward, but.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

So they didn't know it, but London had a serial killer.

They would find out very soon as Annie Chapman is the second victim.

She was 47.

Her early life, not super tragic.

Not right away, anyway.

She was married to a coachman.

She had kids.

Coachman, the guy that drives the coaches for the rich people.

And if you can afford to hire a guy to do that and you can be one of those guys, you probably got paid pretty well.

You got tipped pretty decent.

Her father was in the military.

She was like, in a.

Not quite a noble, but she.

They, like, if they kept working, her husband and her might get to that one day.

Well, it would have been a little further before, but it was not an easy thing to do.

And you kind of only did that if you were planning on displaying it.

And if you're planning on displaying it, that meant you were going to be hosting people, which meant you were trying to be affluent, right?

Yeah.

So definitely had ideas of upward mobility, but things did not pan out that way.

One of their children died of meningitis, and then another one was institutionalized.

It doesn't really say for what.

And then her and her husband separated, but he was paying her a.

An allowance, so which, you know, kind of also speaks to how close they were to kind of being super wealthy.

Is like he can afford to just pay his wife after they're separate and kind of pay for her living.

So now she has no stipend, no money to speak of, and her own elf declining.

She had tuberculosis.

A lot of that going around at that time.

And possibly syphilis, also a lot of that going around, especially in that work.

So she started to crochet.

She would sell flowers like I talked about earlier, and on occasion, you know, offer her body to.

And it was usually two people that she was not.

I don't know.

I hesitate to use the word friends, but familiar with it.

Wasn't like strangers.

She was like, hey, you know, pretty woman situation kind of thing.

A man named Ted Stanley, who may or may not have been a boyfriend of types, would pay for her lodging many nights, but it was still pretty difficult for her.

On September 7, she was seen sick and bruised from a recent fight with another woman.

Oh, damn.

Over a bar of soap.

So that's.

I mean, that's the kind of like just wealth disparity we got going on.

These people are fighting over soap.

Yeah, she was pale, tired, and it was said that she hadn't eaten, which being pale and tired, obviously she's got tuberculosis.

Like, she's not doing so hot.

In the early hours of September 8, she told the deputy at her lodging house that she'd be back with money for her bed.

She took off.

She walked around kind of in the downtown area, and then last seen at 5:30am with a man in Hanbury Street.

And witnesses heard a woman say no, and then a loud thud against a fence.

And then coincidentally, her body was found in that very same backyard.

So that was probably her getting murdered.

And that's kind of a crazy thing to be like, yeah, I heard this lady say no, and then the next day is lady got murdered.

So, like, how.

How do you think that person felt like.

That'S got to be crazy, man.

I know this is kind of off topic, but for years I thought, because, you know, they called.

They called tuberculosis consumption back then.

Right.

For years I thought that just meant they drank too much.

Oh, I mean, that does make sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I. I just kind of always put that together because I thought it was, you know, if they have tuberculosis, chances are drinking.

But I think the real reason is just because it consumes that, like, it's just destroying their body, which is.

Which is crazy to think about a doc Holiday style.

So.

Yeah, there was also.

Yeah.

Oh, go ahead.

I was gonna say.

And then to talk about, like, because you said syphilis.

She could have possibly had syphilis.

That is a terrifying disease.

Like, it makes you crazy and your body, like, deteriorates also.

So I can only imagine having tuberculosis and syphilis.

You're just literally coming apart at the.

Seams, just going through it.

But, yeah, go ahead.

Sorry.

Yeah, I was just gonna say there was another.

Like, after this had happened and after they found the body, more people kind of showed up and were like, hey, yeah, I actually heard some stuff.

I had seen her earlier and she was seen with a man.

And the man asked, Was heard saying, will you?

And she said yes.

And then like, that was.

That was around the time that she was last seen.

So that is the.

Before the.

No, but that.

I forgot to add that detail in.

But yeah, the guy who heard her say no was a guy named Albert Kaddish.

And he lived.

So if you think about it as like an apartment that has a backyard adjoining to another one he lived up.

And this where she was found was down on the bottom, like down some stairs and then on the other side of a fence.

Right.

Like a. I don't know, not a partition, but like a privacy fence almost.

So he assumed that the thud was actually wood being moved around next door because he lived next door to a packing business that was ran by a woman.

Okay, fair enough.

So a car man at 6am, lives in a flat nearby, arrives, finds her body, reports it up the chain, you know, finds the nearest patrolling cop and very similar thing.

Her throat had been cut.

Her abdomen was actually opened wider and her intestines were pulled out and then placed over her shoulder.

Yeah.

And then her uterus had been removed entirely.

Okay.

So, yeah.

And again, we have a very tight window because he was supposedly seen at 5:30 talking to some guy.

Right.

And that's a little bit before this guy heard that.

No sound and the thud and Then her body wasn't found until 6am so we got another tight, tight window.

Yeah.

So.

And then we got to go into the precision of the thing because, like, to go in in very early morning circumstances, it's going to be dark still.

I mean, 5:30 in England in the fall.

I can't imagine it's going to be very bright.

Yeah, yeah.

So you got that window and it's dark, and he's just pulling stuff out, like, with precision.

Like, he straight up removed the uterus without really being able to see much.

I have to imagine.

Yeah, you have to.

You would probably.

I. I would imagine.

Like, I would think that the thud is.

She said no.

She went to walk away, he pushed her, she hit the fence.

And then as she hit the fence and was like, kind of like shocked, he slit her throat.

Yeah.

It had to have been that fast.

Like once.

Once she bounced off the wall and she was just kind of like in shock for a second is when he cut her throat.

Because you don't hear anything else.

Right.

And if you get your throat cut, you can't really make a whole lot of sounds like you're.

Yeah.

Interestingly enough.

So when her body was found, she was.

I can't.

Oh, yeah, she was.

Her head was towards the house.

She was facing upwards.

She had a handkerchief around her neck that she was wearing already.

Her face and hands are covered in blood, but her hands are raised up and her palms facing upward to her face or neck, which made the investigators think that she might have struggled at a moment or maybe at the very least tried to, like, stop the bleeding of her throat.

Which makes me think of that Tom Hardy movie, you know, I'm talking about.

They're like moonshine runners and he gets his throat cut and he's.

Dude, that's such a good movie.

Shia LaBeouf's in it, too.

Is his younger brother.

Yeah, I can't remember the name.

That's fine.

Yeah.

So the mortician is.

Gives kind of a pretty similar thing to what I said.

You know, the.

The legs also, I forgot to mention, they're kind of drawn up.

Like up and bent like this almost.

I suppose her face was swollen.

She got in a fight earlier that day.

And what else?

There was.

Oh, the incisions through her skin were jagged, so it wasn't just like, straight.

It was like, like.

Yeah.

Which is also brutal.

Let's see, there was.

Okay, never mind that.

I'm thinking of a different one.

So she was taken to abort.

And I forgot to mention this, but the lady before these, like, I don't know, busy workers that work at the mortuary got rid of the clothes and like washed the body down like as if it was just another dead person, like prepping them to go in the thing, which ruined all of the evidence, right?

Like there's no way we could tell anything.

And this time they're like, all right, nobody touch her.

And then it happened again.

So it was not great.

This is no real, I don't know, evidence protection to say, but they think that at this point that they believe that she was killed with super very sharp knives, the kinds that you make that are used in like surgery or post mortem butcher tools to a certain extent.

And then leather working.

All right, so these are the kinds of things like, all right, we got kind of an idea.

Maybe the guy does one of these things.

And then also we have, you know, some anatomical knowledge.

You know, we have a half an hour ish window that we think could have been happened.

And you got to be moving if you're going to be taking out these different organs and things.

So, yeah, this is only a week since, like just barely over a week since the last body was found.

She was put to rest a week after that and her grave no longer stands.

But there's memorials in the area.

Police were panicking a little bit, as were the general public.

They were now aware that this was not a random event.

It was very deliberate and it was escalating and it was precise.

So Scotland Yard assigned 145 undercover plain clothes officers to hit the streets.

But they had no suspect yet.

Like they had no idea who they were even looking for.

So they started canvassing people started asking questions.

The name Leather Apron came up a bunch of.

And this guy is a man who is known in the neighborhood for harassing sex workers.

So gotta tell you, that's a pretty strong lead.

But he had a solid alibis, so that's annoying.

In addition to that, there was a lot of anti Semitic.

A lot of anti Semitic rumors swirling around a lot of the London locals.

Well, it's probably this Jewish boob boot maker that we know and he's kind of got a bit of a temper and.

And that ends up being this Leather Apron guy.

So it's like, all right, well, hold on.

It's not because he's Jewish.

It's like that scene in Bad Boys.

It's like, I'm not gonna steal your car because.

Or wait, Men in Black.

Yeah, I am gonna steal your car, but it's not because I'm Black.

So I have to say, so far for these two victims, yeah, they dabbled in sex work.

I mean, not even the first one.

The first one, there's like no clear.

Like actually she did or not.

But the second one, it just sounds like she dabbled.

Ish.

Yeah.

With it.

Which I'd never heard that I just, I had always heard they.

He killed five prostitutes and now it's just like we killed this one woman who like, was down our lucky.

Killed this other woman who was sick and a super easy target who just so happened to have like, had sex with a couple people out in town.

Yeah.

Yes, it is sound.

It is sounding more and more like he just hated women and not.

Yeah.

Them as less than.

Yeah.

And I, I'm glad you called attention to that because, like I mentioned it with Paulie Nichols, the first victim, she like, they, they started to spin the story into, well, she's this prostitute and all she's doing is hanging around looking for money and selling her body.

And it's like, okay, well what do we really have to go off of?

And then that's kind of a theme where it just kind of gets more and more thrown around.

And.

And also given the context of the areas like is this really prostitution or is this kind of just the way people had to survive?

Like, you know, it's like it, it becomes this very murky, nuanced thing.

But yeah, so there's a little bit of a gap between that murder and the next one.

Next one, Asterix.

In the time being between the two, between this, the.

The people started organizing their own campaigns of trying to figure something out.

A local man named George Lusk, he was a businessman.

He founded the Mile End Vigilance Committee.

And his effort was basically to throw money at the problem and try and find information and aid the police in whatever way they needed.

Because, you know, ultimately this is a place where a lot of these people.

Like, it's not a very profitable area, but people have businesses and they're trying not to run people out of it.

Like, yeah, hey man, we have lives here too.

So, yeah, there was.

So that, that was a big push.

There was also a thing that started to happen where some letters started to show up.

And these letters, there was a lot of them and you know, there's a couple that people bring up in Jack the Ripper, but not all of them are very like, there's a lot of people just messing around with the papers and things.

This one letter showed up on September 27th.

And here, this is what it says, it says, dear boss, I keep hearing the police have caught me but they won't fix me just yet.

I have laughed when they look so clever that then talk about being on the right track.

That joke about leather apron gave me real fits.

I'm down on whores and I shan't quit ripping them till I do get buckled just right.

Normal dude was grand work.

The last job was I gave the lady no time to squeal.

How can they catch me now?

I love my work and want to start again.

You will soon hear of me with my funny little little games.

I saved some of the proper red stuff in a ginger beer bottle over the last job to write with.

But it went thick like glue.

Can't use it.

Red ink is fit enough.

I hope, haha, that this letter was written in red ink.

The next job I shall clip the lady's ear off and send to the police.

Just for the jolly, wouldn't you keep this letter back, back till I do a bit more then give it out straight.

My knife's so sharp and I want to, want to get to work right away if I get a chance.

Good luck.

Yours truly, Jack the Ripper.

Don't mind me giving my trade name.

Wasn't good enough to post this before I got all the red ink off my hands.

Curse it.

No luck yet.

They say I'm a doctor now.

Haha.

So pretty, pretty normal stuff like at the very least like if this, which I believe this one to be a hoax.

This guy's got issues.

Yeah.

You know, and a lot of these letters did.

Like in modern times we like were people were able to find out that a large portion of them were written by the people from the newspapers to sell more papers.

Oh wow.

Which is kind of wild.

So I mean I was gonna say.

So what was the time period between the first and the second murder?

So the first one, she was found, what was it on like the 2nd of September or.

She was killed on the 30th of August, found on the morning of the 1st and then the second one was killed on the 7th and found on the 8th.

And then you said there was a longer time period between the second.

Between the second and the third one.

So I think what happened was when that cop talked about how he walked there 30 minutes prior, he got in, he got interrupted.

Yeah.

Which is why he never got to pull out whatever he maybe, I don't know, whatever he pulls out in the future.

But why he didn't pull any organs out all the way because he got Interrupted.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, he kind of did, though, because they were kind of thrown over without shoulder and the uterus was missing.

Yeah.

Oh, that is the second.

Yeah.

So we've only done two so far.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm saying he got interrupted during the first murder, and because he got interrupted, he had to kill again to get what he wanted.

Okay.

Yeah, I like.

I like where your head's at.

It's kind of funny that you put that together because this next event is called the double event.

Oh, yep.

Yeah.

So Elizabeth Stride was the first one found.

She was found September 30th at around 1am When a man walking into Dutfield's yard stumbled into her body, like over her body.

So, yeah, her throat had been cut, but there was no mutilation.

So people think that he was interrupted.

And.

Yeah, so that's pretty funny that you kind of called that out.

Elizabeth Stride.

She was.

There's not a lot known about her.

She's from Sweden originally.

Her.

Her Swedish name, Elizabeth.

Gustav's daughter.

Okay.

So pretty cool.

I always get a kick out of the Norwegian naming heritage.

But she moved around quite a bit as a kid.

Her dad was a.

He worked in some sort of factory.

And then him and his brother decided that they were going to start working in a different city and uprooted everybody and moved to that city and then lost their job.

And it was.

It was all thing.

And that basically kept you on the record of like, all right, well, we got a track who's doing what, because their.

Their goal was basically to prevent the military from getting venereal diseases.

She stillbirth of a daughter.

And they suspect that it might have been because she had syphilis when she was given birth or when she got pregnant and then gave birth.

Right.

So she was hospitalized for venereal diseases.

And then she works a bunch of odd jobs.

And then eventually she starts doing this thing where she just starts telling lies to people, which is kind of an interesting thing.

She married a man named John Stride, who's a carpenter, and then they move in together into this coffee shop and run it until this other guy buys them out.

And then for whatever reason, they broke up.

But at the same time there's a steamship called the Princess Alice that collides with another ship in the thames.

And then six to 700 people die.

And she starts telling people that her husband and children were on this thing.

Okay.

Which they weren't, but it super weird.

So she starts using this story as a, I don't know, kind of like a charity story.

She goes to like churches and stuff and tells them the story and it's kind of like a hustle that she's got going on.

Yeah.

Then he gets arrested for her drunken disorderly.

She moves in with a man named Michael Kidney, who is kind of like an on again, off again boyfriend who they fight all the time.

And then she, let's see, in September she ends up losing her job because she yelled at and used obscene language at the workhouse.

Kind of a rapscallion.

And then arrested a few days into September.

She got arrested eight times in the year and a half leading up to her death, which is.

Wow.

Yeah, impressive.

Tuesday, 25th September, Michael Kidney interacts with her for the last time.

And then a doctor slash street preacher comes to the lodging house where she's staying and is talking about the murders.

And all of the women that are in the, you know, the house are like kind of creeped out about it because they're in pretty much the same circumstances that these other women were.

So 6:30 on September 30, she sees the woman who ran the house that she was staying at and they kind of kick back, have some drinks.

She left within the next hour, goes and finds some friends.

And then at this point she's showing off money.

She did some work earlier in the day, she's got a bunch of money now.

Woohoo.

Check me out.

Yeah, the watchman of the house.

Basically like the security of the house says at that point.

11:00pm she seems like she's in good spirits, she's having a good time.

She's hanging out with a couple, couple dudes, one with a dark mustache and sandy eyelashes is what they use, which.

I don't even know what that means.

Yeah, I've never gotten close enough to anybody to be like, you know, your eyelashes are kind of sandy.

Like does that mean they got the boogers in them or like what does that mean?

They cut sandy color?

I don't know.

Sandy brown?

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.

But anyway, so this guy is also wearing a bowler style hat.

You know, the round guys.

Nice.

And he's got a morning suit and coat, which is like a.

Like a fancy dress coat.

Like, okay, this guy.

Okay.

Big King of the castle.

It was also raining pretty heavily.

And these two were seen making out in the doorway.

Nice.

Making out in front of bars.

Who does that?

That's crazy.

Only rapscallions make out in front of bars.

That's right.

Everybody in this place were a little thrown off by this because the guy was dressed very nicely.

And usually people dress like that don't make out with random women in front of.

In the doorway.

And at this point, patrons in the bar are like, that's Leather Apron getting round to you.

Which is basically like.

They think that he's.

They're like giving him crap.

But also like, maybe, you know, because Jack the Ripper moniker hadn't been attributed yet.

So they just called him Leather Apron.

So after midnight, she's seen with another guy.

This guy is wearing a dark coat and a deerstalker hat.

Which is like the Sherlock Holmes style hats.

Yeah.

You know, they look like they could be reversible.

She's seen with like, a few different guys at this point and, like, over the night.

So she's, I'm assuming, working.

She's making money.

She is seen at this point with a man.

And another guy walks down the street and yells, lipski.

Which is a kind of a slur almost in this time.

Because there was a man named Israel Lipsky who had killed a woman in the area, like, I don't know, probably the year prior or so.

And then poured acid down her throat and like, did a bunch of crazy stuff.

So this wave of anti Semitism people were just like, that's a bad Jew, guys.

We're gonna call him Lipski.

And so that.

Okay, it went hand in hand, right?

And so this guy that turns on the corner, sees whoever she's with and yells that at him.

All right?

And then somebody's watching this.

This guy named Schwartz is watching this.

And they think that the guy was yelling at him.

And he doesn't speak English, so nobody really knows.

This is kind of a.

Kind of a mess.

But the guy that she's seen with at this point is around 5 5, dark hair, fair skin, small brown mustache and broad shouldered.

You know the thing, nobody knows exactly who the last guy she was with because there's, you know, we get two conflicting descriptions, but either one of those guys is the last one to be seen with her.

And let's.

Yeah, like, like I said she was.

Her throat was slit.

Didn't get much further than that.

And people definitely thought that he was interrupted.

So now we have the other one, Catherine Eddowes.

This is, I don't know, probably about 20 minute walk from where Elizabeth Stride's body was found.

He actually was arrested that night.

I don't know what it is with these pairs, but this pair right here, little troublemakers.

Catherine Eddowes was in the drunk tank and then released from the police station at 1am because they're like, all right, you're good now.

Like she had been in there for a while.

Okay.

So I just, I, I find that crazy that she was like, man, if you would have just stayed in that drunk tank, you would have been alive still.

Yeah, well, not still, but I mean.

My mind probably is, goes to the.

There's probably like a huge drinking problem, you know, in that time period.

And so probably at 1am they were like, you seem the most sober.

We need, we gotta make room.

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

All these women are kind of around the same age also, which is interesting.

Her family was pretty normal.

Her dad was a cook, which is.

Or no, her mother was a cook.

Her dad was a tin worker.

And they all lived in London for most of the time.

He got married at 21 with a royal Irish Army.

Guy is a pensioner, which is basically, he's retired.

Okay.

Essentially they would sell books about this guy's exploits.

People like, like little penny books.

Like, it wasn't like crazy, but it was interesting and people liked it.

And then they would also sing songs.

I would go around just singing with songs that are known as a type of song called Gallows Ballads.

Okay.

They had three children together, but they never got married.

She moved into a lodging house, met a man named John Kelly, and that's kind of who she spent most of her time with.

On and on and off again, as, you know, for the rest of the time she had, she's described as having sober habits, whatever that means.

And the deputy at the logic house that she stayed at, nor John Kelly, her boyfriend type guy, ever knew that she was selling her body.

So that's kind of interesting.

John Kelly did state that she sometimes drank too much, but not very frequently or habitually.

So.

So then that makes sense.

The sober habits, like she wasn't, she wasn't one to like tie one on very often.

Yeah.

So but it's also kind of interesting because she wasn't a drunk tank, like, you know, so maybe she didn't drink that much comparatively.

But I don't know.

I don't know how they gauge this.

They were kind of working odd jobs and then came into town in London at the end of the harvest season.

They ran out of odd jobs out in the, out in the fields, out outside of town really.

Basically just got to town on September 28 and looking for lodging houses, they went to one that they were familiar with.

Yeah.

She is then found at 8pm that night or the night before surrounded by people.

She's just passed out drunk.

And the guy, the cop that walks up is like, does anybody know who she is?

Nobody does.

So that's why they take her to the drunk tank, into Bishop Skate Station, put in the drunk tank, get around 8:30 ish.

At 8:45 she's conscious.

Ask her name and she says nothing.

So he's not being super cooperative at this point.

Passed out shortly after that.

And then, you know, they make the rounds checking in on her.

Yeah.

After midnight, she's now awake and singing.

So they're like, all right, you're, you're good.

The cop that released her says, when you're capable of taking care of yourself, I'll let you out.

And she said, I could do that right now.

And he's like, I don't know.

So he waited another 40 minutes.

She leaves the station at 1am asking one officer, what time is it?

And he says, too late for you to get anything to drink.

He knows who, he knows who his customers are.

Yeah.

She says, I shall get a damn fine hiding when I get home.

Like she's gonna get yelled at by her boyfriend.

Yeah.

She says, serves you right.

You had no right to get drunk.

Okay.

And then she leaves, Right.

She turns towards the way that she had just been brought from, which is the direction of more alcohol.

Right.

So kind of seems like she's a little self destructive at this point.

Yeah.

At 1:35, three men see her talking to a man, facing him with her hand on his chest, kind of in like a tender manner, like they weren't fighting.

She's like resting her hand on his.

They are seen in Mitre Square, which is around.

Oh yeah, a 10 minute walk from the police station.

So pretty quickly she ran into this guy.

They described him as being around 30 years old, 5 7, fair skin, mustache, a lot of mustaches, with a medium build and dressed in salt and pepper colored jacket, like, like a dark gray wool kind of thing, gray cloth cap, reddish handkerchief around his neck.

These guys kind of think he's just a sailor type.

That's the kind of vibe we're getting from this guy.

Yeah.

And then 10 minutes later, Constable Watkins finds her body in Mitre Square.

He had just passed through this area 15 minutes ago.

So now these windows are getting smaller and smaller.

Doctor is called to the area around 2am yeah, her throat was cut, her face slashed up, just going real ballistic.

Parts of her nose had been like cut off, like not removed, but he just sliced so much that her extremities are just like falling off.

One ear was like left kind of like hanging almost.

Yeah.

So again, she's laying on her back.

Her arms are at her side, palms facing upwards, left leg extended outward, right leg bent at the knee.

Her abdomen exposed.

Everything was exposed.

Her throat was cut, intestines pulled out, thrown over her right shoulder.

And then also a piece of them was removed and then it was cut off completely and then placed near the body or between the body and the left arm.

And then her right arm or.

Yeah, right ear cut, removed womb her uterus and one of her kidneys.

Wow.

Yeah, I think the constable was lying about the 15 minute prior thing.

Yeah, I was kind of thinking that when I, when I was doing the research, I'm like, how, how close are these times?

Like, I think this guy was napping somewhere.

He's like, no, I just, I just walked over here.

Well, like the first constable, it made sense.

He's like 30 minutes prior.

I was just over here.

Okay, that makes.

Yeah, that's a pretty good routine kind of thing.

But this dude, I guarantee you had fallen asleep.

This is supposed to be his area to patrol.

And they're like, yo, dude.

Or he's like off like chatting with somebody or something and not doing his job.

Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

That's a fair assessment.

Yeah.

So literally the next, like that afternoon, Sunday, the September 30th, she was.

The postmortem was done.

Her rigor mortis had already started to set in, but her body has not even cooled at this point.

That's how quickly they were like getting to this.

Her left hand had a bruise on the back of it between the thumb and the pointer finger.

Like right in this Pad spot, face.

Obviously mutilated.

There was a quarter inch cut on the left eyelid and then another scratch from the upper lid to the nose, like down that way.

The right eyelid had a half inch cut and a deep cut on the bridge of the nose.

That's where the tip fell off.

Cut all the way down into the cheekbone.

Separated at the cheek.

Missing tip of her nose extension from the cut I mentioned, her upper lip had been split down into the gum.

Like, this guy is just going.

Yeah.

Wild.

So all these women, they're all around the same age.

They all look.

They're all.

They all like.

I'm assuming they all have like brown or like close to the same, like.

Yeah, I.

Some of the pictures that I've seen, they all have darkish hair.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, it's hard to tell because it's all black and white, but.

Yeah, yeah.

And then so, like, the stomach cuts were not straight.

The neck cuts were straight, but the stomach ones to like disembowel were like a zigzag.

So that's kind of odd.

Like, why are you being so precise with the throat?

But then.

Yeah, I don't know.

I think the throat cut is to just kill her.

Well, yeah, he starts cutting, that's him enjoying himself.

Yeah, Just having good old, good old time.

Yeah.

So I don't think it's this one.

Oh, yeah, it is this one.

So they had actually found a piece of apron which was part of her apron.

She's not like a leather apron, but like a maid apron almost.

Yeah.

They had found the one that she was wearing, had a chunk missing.

So they were like, this guy probably cut it off and was probably using it to wipe the blood off of his hands.

Right.

And this kind of leads to this next part, which is interesting because a city detective, after they had found the body, they're like, these guys are all asking questions and stuff.

This guy walks from Mitre Square to Middlesex street, which is a few blocks eastward, and walks north, questions a couple people and then let them go.

Turns back around and does kind of this loop and he doesn't see anything.

And then he comes back to Miter Square and the body's moved.

And then he was told about this apron.

Now 35 minutes after that, a different guy finds a piece of apron on Goulston street, which is, you know, the same street that this guy had just walked back down.

Yeah.

So he finds this little chunk of apron lying on the ground outside of a doorway or like a threshold.

Not really a doorway.

It's like a. I don't know, like an arch that leads into, like, a back area.

And it had blood and fecal matter on it, which makes sense.

If he was cutting open the stomach, you'd probably get some of that.

But then also near this, there is a message written on a wall that see, like, the exact words of it, but can't find it.

Okay.

Yeah.

That the Jew is.

Are always the Gosh.

Yeah.

Something about Jews.

There's something bad about Jews.

But then they.

They are like, well, we can't just leave this up.

This is.

This is bad.

People are going to probably not think, like, oh, yeah, the Jews are the men that will not be blamed for nothing.

Which grammatical nightmare.

But the police are like, well, this is going to inspire people to just start attacking Jewish people.

We got to get rid of this.

They were trying to wait till the sunrise.

They could take a picture of it.

Never did.

But a bunch of the police constables write down this in their notes.

And the problem is, is that all of them, like, wrote it in their handwriting so that we don't really.

Don't get anything out of that.

And also, it could have been graffiti that was already there.

Like, they didn't say it was made out of blood or anything.

They just said it was on the wall.

Yeah.

So did this guy see that and drop it there?

You know?

Right.

I mean, if that was him that did that, then that makes me.

That makes me lean away from him being a doctor or the son of a doctor, because either one of those people would be not.

I wouldn't say highly educated, but you'd spell things correctly.

Right.

And so, I mean, honestly.

And then with, like, the jagged cut of the stomach.

I don't know how butchers cut into stomachs of animals.

Not like that, but it could play into, you know, the.

The just crazy satisfaction that the guy was getting out of it, too.

Like.

Yeah, well, I don't want, like, maybe he thought he had enough time to not be as quick and precise as he wanted to be or, like, needed to be.

Yeah.

So pretty interesting so far.

We got, you know, they.

They didn't get a whole lot of information from that murder either.

So it's like, okay, well, all right, well, we're just taking all the information we got.

So two people killed the same night, relatively close in.

In distance within.

Within 20 minutes or so on foot.

The fallout of this is about as you'd expect.

People collectively are like, okay, this is not great.

We got a problem.

Because, like, it's not quite It's.

It's not as small as a neighborhood, but it's.

It's not like a huge city that we're talking.

This is a district.

Like, this is a tiny area, comparatively, and people are just getting slaughtered.

Yeah.

So two women killed.

The police not getting any closer to catching anybody.

Spoiler alert, they never did.

But they are now getting more and more letters.

And there's the Dear Boss one that I read earlier, and there's a couple that are kind of interesting, but this one, there's one that was like, all right, well, he did mention in the dearboss letter that he was going to cut the ear.

And he did cut the ear.

It didn't come off, but he cut it.

But he also did take a piece of her kidney and maybe more.

I don't know.

But let's see, there's another letter which is.

This is the.

The one that actually starts.

Jack the Ripper is like, saucy, Jackie, saucy.

Jack's work tomorrow.

Double event this time.

One squealed a bit, couldn't finish straight off.

Ha.

Not the time to get ears for police.

Thanks for keeping last letter back till I got to work again.

So it's like, okay, well, maybe.

Maybe these letters are legit.

I don't know.

But there's one that I found to be probably the.

If there's only one that's written by the actual killer, it's this one.

It's.

It's creepy.

The handwriting is even creepy.

I don't even know how he managed to do that.

But it.

It's got.

It's got a vibe to it.

So this one was mailed to George Lusk, who you might remember is the guy who started that committee.

Right.

To find the killer.

Right, the businessman.

Yeah.

Remember?

Yeah, yeah.

So this guy gets a letter.

All right, so, yeah, he.

The letter is actually in a package that's in a 3 inch square box.

And inside the box, what's in the box is kidney.

Half of a kidney preserved in wine.

Yeah.

And a letter.

Right.

They at the time could not determine whether this kidney was in fact hers or even if it was human.

But that's still crazy, right?

Because this is.

I mean, it's a couple weeks after the body is found.

So the likelihood that somebody found out is out there.

That's true, but it's pretty interesting.

So the letter reads, it's addressed, from hell, Mr. Lusk.

Soar.

Soar.

This is how it's written.

S O R I send you half a kid kidney.

K I D N E. I Took from one woman and preserved it for you to t' other piece.

Like, to the other.

I don't know, maybe a t apostrophe piece.

I fried and ate it.

It was very nose.

Assuming that's supposed to be nice, I may send you the bloody nut nif that took it out.

If you only wait w a t e a while w h I l longer signed.

Catch me when you can, Mr. Lusk.

There's a H in Mr. Hmm.

So what are you.

What are you getting from that?

I mean, if.

If the Jews will not be blamed for nothing.

I mean, that kind of fits.

Like the.

The poor spelling, the poor.

Like the poor grammar of the, like.

Similar bad grammar and whatnot.

I think that's way better.

But again, that is to not somebody educated.

Right.

I didn't even think about this, though.

They said that the.

The graffiti looked like it had been faded a little bit because they.

They erased part of it but left some of it.

And the thought just came to me.

This guy probably could have wrote in that somewhere.

Like he decided where to take this woman.

Yeah.

Like, you know, like he found her in the area.

Like he knew where he wanted to be.

Yeah.

We don't know how long he was staking out these areas.

Maybe he knew that patrol guy was gonna sleep at that time.

You know what I mean?

Okay.

Just adds a lot to.

A lot to it.

But, yeah, like I said, this.

This letter is super creepy.

The handwriting, very distinguished.

It's like, got this angular cursive, which is weird because cursive is nice and flowy.

Yeah.

Very sharp.

Okay.

Which reads, to me is just a evil thing.

I don't know.

Yeah.

And then between that and all of the spelling errors, it kind of keyed me into something.

But.

Yeah, so that's.

That's the end of the letter says, but that, like, that is a big part of the fueling of the true crime, as it were.

Right.

Okay.

I have a theory.

Okay.

Based off so far, we went over.

Okay, I think theory time.

I think that he is a Jewish man who.

Because like you said, there's a lot of anti Semitic stuff going on.

He was courting a girl who was probably around the same body type and like, whatever, as the woman he's already killed.

Okay.

And she turned him down because her family didn't approve of her being with a Jew.

Oh, okay.

So he's like, well, no, women can have anybody then.

Yeah, well, he would just see women that looked like her and be like.

Oh, and just like, fly off the handle.

Just Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get you, lady.

I'm gonna come back at night time, mess you up.

Okay, so do you think he was like in the moment just seeing these women or do you think maybe he was like doing a little bit of light stalk?

I think he stalked these women for sure.

Yeah, that's kind of, kind of what I was thinking is like he had to have been keeping an eye on things in general, like just as to how like quickly he navigated if the times are correct.

Like, well, the one, the timing is articulated by like three different people who had nothing to do with each other.

So it's like, okay, well that one is less than 30 minutes.

That's crazy.

Yeah, that's like, that's, that's intense.

So, yeah, this double event kicked things into even higher gear.

People are losing their minds.

And it's also kind of got this weird thing where now the wealthy are like, what's going on down here?

And they're like reading all these stories and so it's like almost fashionable to talk about.

So they get to like live this, like, oh, that's scary.

But I'm not in danger because I don't leave the house, you know, whatever.

And then you have the, the anti Semitism going on, like anti immigration thing going on at the time.

Like, so it's, it's a Jew.

Well, it's an immigrant, it's whatever, like, whatever.

I as a group don't like, you know, that's what we're going to blame it as.

So, yeah, the media coverage just continues to get crazy.

People are now shifting from newspapers to like little, I don't know, like little novellas, like little quick reads.

Yeah, yeah.

And people are like doing fictionalized versions of all these things.

And this is like an entertainment thing now, like I said, for the wealthy.

And you know, it's also kind of illuminating though because you're seeing how horrible the conditions are in this place that's like, you know, like a mile or two away, you know, so it does also kind of give them a little perspective of how good they got it too, which is interesting.

But now we have another lull right between, between events again, this.

She was found on September 30, and the next one doesn't happen until November 8.

In the meantime, the police are going crazy trying to figure out what's going on.

They end up interviewing over 2, 000 people.

They double, triple their efforts on like non uniformed people.

They had 80 arrests in that time, but none of them stuck the city police and the vigilance committee, fronted by the George Les guy, put out £500 as a reward, which at the time, pretty substantial amount, especially for these destitute people.

And nothing like.

It just.

It is crazy.

They.

They interviewed Michael Kidney, who, you know, was last seen with Liz Stride.

John Peyser is Leather apron, that guy they.

They found.

But he had alibis.

He got questioned again.

They came back to him.

They're like, are you sure you didn't kill this lady?

And then another man named John Foster, he's a local vagrant.

He was, but not charged.

A man named Frank Raper, unfortunate last name.

Arrested for being super drunk and yelling to pretty much anybody that would listen.

That just about the.

The double or not the double murders.

Paulie the first murder, and Annie the second one.

He was just yelling about it.

And people were like, I don't know.

So they just took a bit.

But then, you know, like I said, they.

Nothing happened.

There was no murders.

You know, days went by, nothing.

Weeks went by.

The heck's going on?

You know, no killings and then no suspects, nothing.

Like, people just are like, what is happening?

The police distributed 80,000 leaflets around the area.

And all of that, nobody got anywhere close.

So politicians are starting to campaign on trying to fix this.

Papers are now running out of new stuff to talk about.

So now they're just rehashing the old stuff and then publishing these fake letters.

And you know, they're like, well, we don't have quite the.

The poll that we were having when there.

When.

When he was doing the thing.

Yeah, well, bad news.

Good news for them, I guess.

But we got one more.

This is Mary Jane Kelly.

And this is one of the.

This is.

This one's pretty gnarly.

So Mary Jane is actually the youngest one.

She was around 25 years old when she was killed.

She was around 5, 7 tall, blonde hair, blue eyes.

And like, people were like, this is.

She's very attractive, very pretty.

Yeah.

And also might be the only actual prostitute in this whole story.

Like, she was a career girl, is what.

What they call it.

Her.

A man named Joseph Barnett knew her.

He lived with her for a little bit, and this is information that he knew from her.

But outside of that, nobody actually knows who she was.

So that's kind of interesting.

Was told by her that she was born in Limerick, Ireland, moved to Wales when she was young.

Her father was an iron worker.

She had seven siblings.

The guy who owned the lodging that she was staying at said she did receive mail on occasion from her Mother in Ireland.

So kind of hard to make that up.

Right.

But her lifestyle, pretty comfortable.

She never was like hurting to make her rent on time.

You know, she had comfortable quarters in the, in the room that she had.

One of her roommates described her as an excellent scholar and artist of no mean degree, like above average.

Right.

So that's, so that's kind of interesting.

She has.

Apparently she married a guy when she was 16 and then he dies a couple late a couple years later and then moves in with one of her cousins and at this point starts working as a prostitute.

All right, so there's also another story of she from a woman named Elizabeth Phoenix.

And she says that Mary Jane lived with her brother in law and that she was Welsh and she claims to be Irish.

On occasion.

Her parents abandoned her and she ended up being kind of forced into prostitution.

He was like essentially trafficked by a French woman.

That put her into a brothel.

Right.

A pretty chaotic life.

One of her landlords even thought she could have married this one guy.

So.

And there's kind of Liz, a normal ish life for the circumstance.

She.

She begins to prostitute herself for money.

After Joseph loses some of his jobs, he decides he doesn't want to deal with her anymore.

Moves out.

She's on her own, hanging out, you know, doing her thing.

Yeah, okay.

He didn't like that she was hanging out with other prostitutes, which is weird.

She was like, hey, you guys can stay in my room and you don't have to pay for anything.

And he's like, don't hang out with prostitutes.

All right.

Seems like she's being a good person, but okay.

Yeah.

So she is seen on the night of November 8, but she sees Joseph.

She goes out with some of her friends.

Woman named Lizzie, who absolutely loved this lady, described her as basically saintly.

She was always taking care of people.

8pm Joseph leaves.

Mary is drinking with a young man who has a dark mustache and is dressed respectable.

And then by 11, she is hammered.

She is seen walking with a man who is described as stout, mid-30s, blotchy face, wispy mustache.

Oh man, he's got a lame mustache and a bowler style hat.

Yeah, okay, bowler again.

A woman.

Yeah, bowler.

It was pretty fashionable at the time.

Yeah.

The woman passes the pair offering good night to Mary Kelly, who responds in a drunken slur, good night, I'm going to sing.

So, all right.

She goes, and then she started singing.

She.

And a woman who lives nearby wants to go give her a piece of her mind, you know, hey, shut up.

And then the woman's husband is like, yeah, just leave her alone, man.

She's got enough troubles.

Which I think is cool.

At 1am it begins to rain.

The neighbor from earlier passes her room, Mary's room, and can still hear her singing and sees a light in the room from like the fireplace or whatever AM she asks a man for some money.

He declines as he had already spent it.

And then Mary says, I'm gonna go find some.

That man, George Higginson, walks past a different guy and then didn't think about that guy until he saw him again, this time talking to Mary.

This man places his hand on Kelly's shoulders, says something which causes Kelly to burst into laughter.

And then the man laughs and she says, all right.

And the man says, you'll be all right for what I have told you, which I assume is like, you down with that?

Yeah, yeah.

And then, and then puts his arm around Kelly and they walk away.

And then the guy Hutchinson that seen them notices the man is carrying a small bundle or pack of sorts.

They pass under a street lamp, gets a good look at this guy, pale, light mustache, hedges curled up fancy boy, dark hair, dark eyes, bushy eyebrows.

And Hutchinson decides his.

He says that this guy is of Jewish appearance, so do that information what you will.

He had a soft felt hat, which is essentially like a top hat, casual top hat, okay.

Or could be also a bowler style hat.

They kind of people use that term interchangeably around five six, five seven and described as being around 30 old.

Hey, yeah.

So the pair crosses a street, goes down to another street, hanging out for around three minutes.

And she says, all right my dear, come along, you will be comfortable.

Man puts his arms around Kelly, she kisses him.