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E17 There Are No Returns On a Broken Planet - Why Capital Needs a New Story with Sana Kapadia
Episode 1713th April 2026 • Storytelling For Social Impact • Ravinol Chambers
00:00:00 00:57:30

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In this episode of Storytelling for Social Impact, Ravinol Chambers sits down with Sana Kapadia, Chief Catalyst at Heading For Change and an investor working at the intersection of finance, gender and climate, for a conversation that goes far deeper than impact as a concept.

They talk about what happens when you stop treating these issues as separate. Because gender, climate, inequality and finance - they’re not different conversations. They’re the same system, seen from different angles. And if we don’t start thinking that way, we’ll keep solving symptoms instead of causes.

One of the most powerful parts of this conversation is around measurement.

In impact, we often default to numbers, how many people reached, how much capital deployed. But Sana makes the case that without lived experience, those numbers can be misleading. Real impact isn’t just what we can count. It’s what actually changes in people’s lives.

The conversation also goes somewhere more uncomfortable. What does this mean for us personally? It’s easy to talk about systems, capital, and change at a distance. It’s harder to ask: what is enough for me? What am I willing to change? Because until that question is faced honestly, progress will always be limited.

There’s no shortage of solutions. Across the world, people are already building better models, more local, more inclusive, more connected. The challenge isn’t imagination. It’s whether we’re willing to shift how we think, measure and act before the cost of inaction becomes too high.

This is a conversation about impact, yes.

But more than that, it’s a conversation about responsibility and how the story needs to change to inspire us to take up that responsibility.

00:00 Welcome

02:02 Sana's Journey Into Impact

03:10 Intersectionality in Finance

05:28 Rethinking Luxury and Enough

08:08 SDGs Gender and Climate

11:08 Measuring Impact Better

16:12 Gender Climate Fund Examples

21:35 Unintended Consequences and Norms

23:52 Storytelling Campaigns That Work

27:46 Beyond the Bubble

28:22 Humour in Impact

30:17 Perfection and Burnout

31:37 Reporting Overload

34:49 Rethinking Risk Returns

38:18 Local Evidence and Nuance

41:13 Fixing the Plumbing

44:22 Cost of Inaction

45:56 Everyday Power to Act

48:43 Reconnect with Nature

53:55 Solutions and Storytelling

55:51 Final Reflections and Thanks

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