In this episode, I get into the impact of taking an extended break from podcasting and how it affects your show’s growth, audience engagement, and completion rates. Here are the main takeaways:
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One of the reasons I always talk about having a lot of passion for your
Speaker:subject is along the way you will do something or
Speaker:things may change in life that have you losing some of your audience.
Speaker:So I saw this on Reddit and it says we launched our
Speaker:podcast in 2023 and built it up to around 500
Speaker:downloads per episode with really good completion rates.
Speaker:We were doing weekly episodes, documentary style
Speaker:deep dives targeting British women that were over the age
Speaker:of 40. Myself and my co host, we don't do
Speaker:guests, just heavily researched cultural analysis.
Speaker:Then life happened. We ended up taking a year off.
Speaker:By the point we had done 40 plus episodes.
Speaker:We said to our listeners we were taking a break and coming
Speaker:back. Now they don't say what year this was, but if they
Speaker:were doing weekly, they hadn't even done a
Speaker:year. So they took a year off.
Speaker:That is a long time. And
Speaker:it says, when we came back season five, we
Speaker:lost easily half our audience. We're now doing
Speaker:bi weekly episodes because that's what we can manage with the
Speaker:amount of research we do. And here's what's really bizarre.
Speaker:The quality is actually better now. I
Speaker:think I'm editing it myself, putting more time
Speaker:into production. The episodes are more polished and professional,
Speaker:but our completion rate has gone down too.
Speaker:No, not just the overall numbers. It feels like
Speaker:that year off completely killed our momentum.
Speaker:Even our loyal base seems less engaged. I know
Speaker:consistency is everything with podcasts, but it's
Speaker:dispiriting when you're doing objectively better work
Speaker:and getting worse results. I'm planning to try
Speaker:podcast to podcast advertising in the new year since
Speaker:the social media reach has been dismal. But I'm
Speaker:wondering, has anyone taken a long break and successfully
Speaker:rebuilt what worked Is biweekly, just
Speaker:not frequent enough to maintain momentum, or did that gap
Speaker:basically reset everything and we're starting from scratch?
Speaker:Okay, so first things first. You said you did 40 plus
Speaker:episodes and you were doing them weekly, so you hadn't even gone
Speaker:a year and then you took a year off. And I'm here to tell
Speaker:you that's really bad. And so one
Speaker:thing I would say, instead of saying I lost 50% of my
Speaker:audience, flip that I'm lucky that I
Speaker:saved 50% of my audience. And then you say, has anyone taken
Speaker:a Long break and successfully rebuilt. Well, don't
Speaker:look at from as if you made it to the 50
Speaker:yard line and you're starting from the 50 yard line. The bad
Speaker:news is the ringing of an audience in your
Speaker:ears is still there and they are gone. And
Speaker:so you're not starting from the 50, you're
Speaker:starting from like the 10. You've, you've gone back considerably.
Speaker:And then the other thing you say you feel the
Speaker:content is better and you even say, I think
Speaker:but you went in and looked and said, hey, our
Speaker:completion rate is not as good. So let's just take that out of
Speaker:podcasting. I used to give people a 16 ounce
Speaker:bottle of, let's say Coke, okay, here you go. And they would drink the
Speaker:whole thing, like not a drop left. Now I hand
Speaker:them a bottle of the same, you know, soda, and they're only
Speaker:drinking half of it or whatever. Well, logic says
Speaker:it's not as good. There's something not as good
Speaker:with your content. Or maybe the people that stuck around weren't the
Speaker:super fans, but on the other hand, they were super fans. They would have
Speaker:stuck around. But the other thing you're taking
Speaker:seasons. I am not a fan of seasons.
Speaker:Seasons are made for people with teams of, you know, 18
Speaker:that fly around the world to get their stories. I do
Speaker:very much like the fact that you've gone to a bi
Speaker:weekly schedule. Why? Because that's
Speaker:all you can do and you can stay consistent there. But when you take
Speaker:a season and then you take a month or two off
Speaker:again, time off is just so bad. Think of
Speaker:it like putting your finger in a bucket that has a hole.
Speaker:The minute you take your hand away, that bucket is going to start to drain.
Speaker:And so when you come back and you go, hey, where'd all the water go?
Speaker:Well, your finger was, you know, plug in the hole and when you moved it,
Speaker:all the water ran away. The longer you are away,
Speaker:the more water goes out the bottom of that bucket. So
Speaker:for me, I think seasons, I just plan accordingly.
Speaker:When I have to, you know, go out on the road or something, I just
Speaker:record more episodes. Is it hard? Yeah. What's your
Speaker:point? You gotta plan accordingly. And I realize
Speaker:you said life happens and it does, but
Speaker:the thing you've learned here, and that's really the big
Speaker:takeaway, is not what you lost, but what
Speaker:you've learned. And you've learned many things. Number one,
Speaker:don't take time off unless you have to
Speaker:find a schedule that works for you. So you went from weekly to bi weekly.
Speaker:That's good. Now, is that going to grow slower? Yeah, of course it is.
Speaker:But also you've learned that the completion
Speaker:rate is going down. That's not good either, because you're trying to grow an audience
Speaker:that maybe isn't that crazy about your work. So look at the
Speaker:old episodes before you were the editor and look
Speaker:at them now. And maybe because you're the editor,
Speaker:you've lost some of your objectivity. So you want to find somebody
Speaker:who's not listening to your show but should and ask
Speaker:them if they would be kind enough and listen to an episode and
Speaker:give you honest feedback. Because there is something
Speaker:wrong with the content and that's hard to hear.
Speaker:But data often doesn't lie. You know, the
Speaker:numbers don't lie. So that would be my advice, is get some
Speaker:people to listen to it, get some feedback. Because it may be,
Speaker:and this is often the case, even with myself, that we are too
Speaker:close to our own content and we ignore the data that says,
Speaker:hey, we're not listening as far. So there's something
Speaker:that's making people tune out. And if they're tuning out early,
Speaker:they're much, much, much less likely to share this
Speaker:with a friend. Now, if you need help with this, I've been
Speaker:podcasting for 20 years. I help podcasters. It's what
Speaker:I do. And I'll be the first to say I've seen things in my own
Speaker:content. I'm like, oh, wow, I missed that. You need an outside point
Speaker:of view. And if you need help starting your podcast, growing your
Speaker:podcast, monetizing your podcast, I do all of this
Speaker:in one location. That's@schoolofpodcasting.com
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Speaker:see what you and I can do together. If you already have a
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Speaker:free month of the School of Podcasting. I'm Dave
Speaker:Jackson. I help podcasters. It's what I do. And I can't wait
Speaker:to see what we're going to do together because I want to be
Speaker:your podcast consultant.