In this episode of Driven by Purpose, Evan, Isaac, and Mike welcome a very special guest: Rich Rider, the recently retired Warehouse Production Manager at Clean Logic. Rich spent nearly five years helping build one of the most mission-driven production teams in the country, working alongside employees with disabilities to hit numbers that would impress any logistics veteran. But as Rich puts it, the numbers were never really the point.

This episode is a tribute to what happens when leadership, culture, and purpose collide in a warehouse. Rich shares how a job he thought was about moving boxes turned into one of the most personally transformative experiences of his life, and why he would not have it any other way.

We explore:

▫️ How Rich went from a 40-year logistics career to learning that limitations are mostly perceived, not real

▫️ Why Mike's first interview question was not about numbers at all, and what it revealed about Clean Logic's culture

▫️ The on-the-floor lessons Rich learned by simply asking his team what they needed, including letting a blind employee find a blind teacher

▫️ How Clean Logic achieved over 1,000 safe work days in a fully operational warehouse with forklifts, pallets, and real production pressure

▫️ The proudest moments Rich carries with him into retirement, from promoting team members to seeing a young worker named Tyrese finally find his stride

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The man at

Cleanlogic who changed the game for hiring people with disabilities.

What I would say about Rich is, like, we didn't give him . We just said,

we just said, "Here's what we need to do. Y- you're in the role. Do

it." And he was brave, and he did it.

He's magic.

This is Driven by Purpose, a show about finding your purpose, building

fulfilling careers, and helping people with disabilities live better lives.

Hosted by three men who've lived it and are here to help you do the same.

Special thanks to our presenting sponsor, Cleanlogic, a leading bath

and skincare company and a true pioneer in creating inclusive workplaces and

increasing employment opportunities for people with disabilities.

What's up, everybody?

Welcome to another episode of Driven by Purpose.

My name is Evan Rosenblum, along with the co-founders of Cleanlogic

and the Inspiration Foundation, Isaac Shapiro and Mike Gasser.

Mike, it's been a minute.

It's been a minute.

Welcome back to

the show.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me back to the show.

Where have you been, man?

Uh, I think I was traveling.

I had some traveling to do.

I fucked- I was at Vistage and then I was in, in Vegas at The Sphere maybe.

Yeah.

I saw, I saw the Instagram.

I'm glad you made it back in one piece.

I did.

Welcome back.

Thank you.

I'm excited for today's guest, uh, because we talk a lot about what it takes to, to

run a successful business, and of course with the Inspiration Foundation, you

guys, you have made it your mission to increase, um, you know, hiring people with

disabilities by at least 10% more than, you know, the goal is more than that.

But to do that, to really do that in an effective, meaningful way, you gotta

have, you know, good people around.

You gotta surround yourself with good people who buy into the mission and,

and really help, and today's guest is definitely one of those people who you

guys have raved about for a long time.

He was a key person at Cleanlogic for a long time, recently retired,

and we were so lucky to have him on the show to talk about how you guys

made it work together as a team.

Rich Reiter joins us on the show.

Rich- Welcome, Rich.

Rich- Rich ... Driven by Purpose.

Good

to

see

you,

Rich.

I, I would also add that- Hello, everybody ... I think Rich was extremely instrumental

in allowing us to achieve our mission, uh, and do the things that we do that we talk

about and want to share with the world.

So very special guest today, Rich.

Thank you, Rich.

So Rich, uh, you were the warehouse production manager at Cleanlo-

logic for, uh, just about five years, dealing with Isaac and

Mike and all of their shenanigans.

Uh, so I wanna hear first off, like, how you got in with these guys.

Like, how did you, how did you meet up with Isaac and Mike?

So, uh, about 40 years ago, I started working for UPS, and I met a good

friend, uh, Dave Garner- Um, we worked together at UPS for several years.

Um, then we both went our own directions, uh, met up at another company.

Um, both ended up going our own directions again, and one day he asked

if I was interested in, uh, joining him again, and I told him, "No, I'm

not interested in driving, um, an hour one way to, to work with you, Dave.

I really like you." And then one day I reached back out to him.

I said, "Hey, Dave, I'd like to come visit." And, uh, the, the marriage

started, so I got, uh, invited back for an interview, uh, met Mike and Isaac

during the interview, and, uh, that's, that's the beginning of the story.

Well, what you guys ended up, like, building and growing together is

something, you know, truly incredible and amazing and something that a lot of other

businesses look at and they go, "Wow.

You guys are, uh, an inspiration for us." And other, other, other, uh,

entrepreneurs who want to hire people with disabilities, who wanna, you know,

really l- look to the inst- to Clean Logic as... What's the word I'm looking for?

You guy- you guys are, like, showing people how it's done.

As a group, you guys are kind of like leading the way.

Building the model.

Yeah, people are, yeah, building the model.

We're building the model.

That's right.

Um, so when you joined up with Clean Logic, did you know that that

was gonna be kinda part of it, was trailblazing, kind of leading the way?

So yeah, it was definitely part of the conversation.

Um, during the conversation, there was some sewing machines sitting off to the

side in the corner, and Dave, Dave said s- "Hey, one day we wanna start sewing."

I was like, "Oh, okay. Great." And, uh, so then yeah, one day, one day it happened.

One day they came to me and said that, uh, said that, uh, "Yeah, we, we need

to start sewing." We were working with a team of blind students from Overbrook

School of the Blind, and they were building gift sets and, um, they built

more gift sets than we probably needed.

And, uh, Dave said, "Hey, we need to stop building gift sets." I said, "Great.

What are we gonna do?" He says, "Well, we're gonna start sewing." I said, "Oh.

Okay.

Well, I don't know how to use a sewing machine, and Dave, I don't know if you

noticed or not, but they're blind." And he said, "Did you ask them?" And

I

said, "I did not."

And truth be told, I learned how to use a sewing machine, and some of

our best sewers came from that team.

Um, and I learned real quickly that, uh, the limitations of the individuals were

probably more perceived than reality, um, and that, uh, they can do anything, right?

Literally, they can do whatever they want.

I love that.

Uh, right, right off the bat it's like that's amazing that you, you walked into

this job kinda not knowing exactly w- you know, what you were gonna learn from it.

You just, I mean, you, you were attracted to it because you thought

it was an interesting opportunity, and then all of a sudden you found this

whole other reason for being there.

Can you talk a little bit about, uh, more about that?

Like the purpose element of it

Yeah, so it became very, very aware that, uh, it was bigger than moving

boxes in and out of a warehouse.

Like, I'm really good at that.

I've been doing it for 40 years, and l- I pretty much got the moving

boxes in and out of a, out of a warehouse pretty good, right?

I was pretty proud of myself.

I, uh, you know, truth be told, I, I came in and, you know, Mike interviews me,

and I'm like, "Man, I can lower your cost per piece in receiving, and I can improve

your inventory, and man, I can do all these great things with these numbers."

And he said, "Well, that's, that's nice.

Are you a good person?"

And I just kinda froze, like, "Uh, yeah, I'm, I'm a good person." So,

you

know, it all stems from their culture.

Yeah.

You know, it's really... You know, if you're not a piece of the culture, you're

not a good fit, you, you just don't belong work with those individuals.

Um, you know, and that's led from the top.

Mike and Isaac lead it, they live it, they dream it, and they allowed me to

grow and, um, and learn that that was, could be s- an important piece of my, my

background and my history, and who I am.

And before that, everything was about the penny or the half penny.

Wasn't so much 100% about the individuals.

Whereas this kind of flip-flopped, and it became about the individuals,

and then how can we improve our cause?

That's fascinating.

I mean, 'cause you don't, you don't hear that from most businesses first.

You know, you hear, like, you lead with the, the bottom line

is the bottom line first, and this sounds the other way around.

And then when you... W- you recently retired.

Um, you, y- y- and when you decided to, to hang it up, and you look

back at your career, where does this job, like, kinda rank for you?

And, and how did it, uh...

You know, w- when you talk about meaning, where do... You know, where does it

sit for you compared to other jobs

along the way?

Well, this is definitely, uh, I, my journey through life and

logistics and, and work with individuals, definitely at the top.

Um, it, uh, it has changed me, uh, my wife, my kids, my father.

Um, you know, it, it's, it's not ju- I'm not just saying it 'cause Mike and

Isaac are hanging out here with me.

Um, it really- You don't work for, you

don't work for them anymore, so they, they, uh- You can say anything,

you can say anything you want.

That's right.

I don't

work for them anymore.

But, uh, uh, yeah, I can't tell you what it's done, uh, for me, and every

day I look for ways to pay it forward.

Um, you know, I just, I didn't know...

I gotta be honest, I didn't know I even had it in myself.

Um, I didn't know that was something that was inside of me to just embrace

and, and- Just look forward to every day

Well, can I, can I add in here just a little bit?

'Cause I thought, you know, one of the things when we, uh, was an aha

moment is we had Rich's retirement dinner, and the way he was talking

about just how it impacted his life.

You know, we talk about on the show, other leaders talk about how it

elevates leaders to be better leaders.

Uh, and I think that night, you know, Rich, I'd love to just

bring it back a little bit there because you could intimately talk

about each of your team members.

Uh, you talked a lot about even, you know, when we, uh, started this

process, you know, with Walmart to partner, uh, we, you know, had to hit

a goal of I think it was 90,000 pieces.

96,000. 96. Yeah, 96,000.

Yeah.

Excuse me.

Sorry, I don't wanna discount- ... those 6,000 pieces.

Um, but, you know, like, I, I just, I want you to share a little bit more

because I really felt, uh, it, it was just, like, unbelievable to see

your passion, and even, you know, I love when your wife was over there

saying, "Rich, it's not just about you.

It's also about our family." Like, you really impacted our family, and, like,

you know, just going into that, but I'd love for you to just even talk about

how your relationship with the employees impacted your life, uh, and really

how it impacted you as a leader 'cause I think that's what we really wanna

showcase today and hopefully get other people to see just what it really- Yeah

brings to your life.

Especially as you said, you worked in the logistics, and you know how to

move boxes, but what I feel like what this has done, it's about purpose.

So can you talk a little bit more about that and the employee rela- relationship?

Yeah.

Um, never worked with a group of individuals, um, like the

team on the production team.

Uh, they care for each other.

They love each other, and, uh, they probably are the happiest

people I've ever worked with.

You can come rolling into work with a, with a bad day or thinking you're

having a bad day, and it's really quickly changed by individuals

saying, "Hey, Mr. Rich, I did this yesterday. Do you wanna see pictures?"

And you're like, "Yeah, sure. Show me pictures." You know?

And then, um, yeah, you know, talks about the family and, um, you know,

I was fortunate my father was an executive, and, uh, it was very

black and white, uh, growing up, you know, different generation.

And I told this story, we were sitting at dinner one time, and, um, I'd been

working for Clean Logic for a couple years, and there was a young man,

um, sitting next to us that, uh, um, had a disability and, and, uh, you

know, loud noises were bothering him, and you could see he was autistic.

And his mother, she was just doing everything she could to, to make it

normal for her and everybody around.

And, and I said something to my dad.

I said, "Oh, this young man, you know, you know, he's got, he's got a chance,

right? With these-" type of programs.

And my dad looks at me, said, "Well, he's autistic." And next thing you know,

this young man just walks over and takes a straw right out of my dad's glass.

Now, I'm gonna tell you, a couple years ago Pop would've probably said, "What

is wrong here?" But he turned to that young man and he said, "That's my straw.

Would you like to keep it?"

And, uh, yeah, that's, that's when you knew it, uh, it was more than a job.

It was more than moving boxes or sewing stretch cloth or, y- you know, whatever

the, whatever the challenge the team put in front of me, um, you learn real

quick that, uh, yeah, it was more than, more than a product or more than that.

It was about showing the world that there's really good people

out there that do really good work.

They may not do it the same way we do it, but, you know, w- we need to

tap into that and, and leverage it.

What I, what I love about this conversation is, you know, we, we,

uh, on this show we talk a lot to, uh, business leaders and we talk to

a lot of entrepreneurs, and we talk a lot about, you know, uh, parents,

uh, of people with disabilities and, and, you know, it, it's...

It start- when you start a company, um, for, for me, I have a daughter who

has cerebral palsy and, you know, you think about what her future's gonna

look like, and it's a constant concern.

It's something I think about a lot.

And to have the opportunity to talk to somebody like, like you, Rich, you know,

if she does go into the workforce at some point, and you think about, okay, who's

she gonna work with and who's she gonna report to, and, and all this stuff, and

it's, you know, it, it's somebody like you, uh, who's saying all these wonderful

things, and it's just such an amazing...

It's an amazing thing because not only for me as a parent where you think like, okay,

it, it, there's an amazing experience for my daughter out there, but then to think

that that experience, you know, thinking about it from your perspective and, and

hearing all this, it's just an am- it's an incredible thing to listen to and to hear.

And so I just want to say thank you for even sharing all this and

opening up about this because it's just, it's incredibly comforting

to hear that from my perspective.

And also, it's just something that, like, everybody should listen to.

Entrepreneurs should hear this.

Parents should hear this.

Other employees should hear this.

You know, if you're sitting at a place and they're talking about expanding a program

to bring in more people with disabilities, I'm sure there are gonna be people who

are approaching that with some skepticism.

Like, ah, what does this mean for us in terms of, like, how is

this gonna affect my day to day?

And maybe to those people, like, what would you say to somebody, uh, who might

be a little bit skeptical about how it's just gonna affect their day to day, Rich?

Well, I say

open your doors and do it, right?

Yeah, it, it, uh, it'll change your workforce, it'll change your

company, and it, it could change, it could change the world, right?

Give, give them the opportunity.

I know we had an, um, an interview by a young man, and he said, "Just

give us an opportunity." You know?

It, it's It's amazing.

Like I said, I just, uh, I d- I don't know how else to explain it,

but if I was starting a business, and, and I am gonna start a small

business, but, uh, now I gotta figure out how to pay it forward, right?

How do I, how do I continue what, what they gave me the opportunity

to see is important in life?

It's, you know.

Well, Rich- Yeah ... you gotta say what you're doing now, 'cause-

Yeah ... uh, I actually think it's great what you're trying to do.

And, and like you said, you're trying to pay it forward, so please

tell us, tell us all about it.

I'm, I'm gonna start mobile grooming dogs.

Um, so I've always had a passion to, um, with animals.

I actually went to school for, back in the day it was called industrial arts or

wood shop and, you know, those kinds of things, so I had a- an arts side to it.

And then I found this passion where I get to, um, mold dogs and make 'em look good.

Right?

That's awesome.

So I use my artistic ability to, to hang out with dogs.

That's great.

Which is, uh, been very rewarding.

Um, but I am, I am looking to, as I scale, can I, can I add individuals

to help me bathe that, you know, may not have opportunities or to,

to do other things other places?

So that's obviously in my, in the back of my mind once we

get this thing up and running.

Um, you know, how do I get a hold of the IU13s and say, "I have a,

I have an opportunity. What can you do to help me?" That's great.

Well, we, we have the, we have the playbook and contacts for that.

Um- See, and that's, that's a great- Yeah ... it's a great point though, Mike, because,

you know, because, uh, you know, you guys brought in the playbook and the blueprint,

like, and Rich is gonna go out and start his own business now- Now I can do it

and he can just basically hit you up and be like, "Hey guys, you know, I

wanna, I wanna, uh, bring in people with disabilities into the fold when

I, when I start my business." It's such an easy thing to ask for and an

easy thing for you guys to share, and this is how we continue to grow that.

That's- I mean, it's,

this is great

that's the whole, I think that's the whole point, why we

wanna tell this story, right?

And so my, my, I have a question for, for Rich.

Like, when we, when you started, there was no playbook.

We had no experience.

You were the guy literally that pioneered it out in the warehouse with

this team and said, "Let's try this.

Let's try this." Now, there is, it's, there's, nothing is ever perfect.

Can you talk to some of the listeners about what were some of the challenges

that you encountered building the workforce, allocating work, trying new

things, and then how did you guys approach these to, uh, resolve them or c- or,

or, or iron out all the difficulties?

I think

the biggest limitation is I didn't know, right?

So, um, as we started working when we were sewing sponges, you know, it

was ask the individuals with vision impairment, like, "What do you need

from me?" And they asked for You know, a straight line on the sewing machine.

So I, I went and bought something and put a straight line on the sewing

machine, and then we went to stretch cloths, and they're like, "Well,

we need to know how long it is."

So I'm like, "Okay." So I put a ruler, one of those triangular

rulers, on the sewing machine.

But all my wonderful ideas, and all the guidance, and all the neat things

that I got accomplished all came from the team I was working with.

I was just fortunate enough to have a relationship with them.

Like, "Okay, how do we do this?

What do you need from me?" I can remember one young lady, I was trying to teach

her how to sew, and she was blind.

She goes, "You're not blind." I'm like, "No, I'm not blind." She goes, "Can

you find somebody to teach me that's blind?" I said, "Great idea." So then we

started using individuals that had vision impairment to help the vision impaired

team members, 'cause, uh, she was right.

I didn't... I'm like, "No, you gotta, you gotta straighten this

out." And she was finally had enough and said, "No, this isn't working.

I, I need somebody with vision impairment to help me.

They'll understand." I'm like, "Okay." So really, all the neat

things we've added that cost almost nothing to the facility for safety,

and compliance, and efficiency, um, came from the team members.

It wasn't really neat ideas by Rich Reiter.

You know, that's what, that's the whole team.

So is it just assemble-

But, but that, you know what, though?

There, there's a, there's, there's, there's ego in that,

and in a good way for you.

Because when somebody says, like, "Hey, this is not working for me, I need

somebody else," there's two roads you, there's two paths you can go down, and

you made a choice in that moment, Rich.

I mean, and I wanna applaud you for that, and I feel like

you deserve credit for this.

Because, you know, there are a lot of people, a lot of bosses in

that situation that'll go, "No.

You're g- this is, you're gonna do this the way that I'm telling you to

do this, and stop." And then there are people that l- that you, like you, who

listen, and you say, "You know what?

You're making a good point.

I hear you.

I'm listening to you." And I think that that needs to be, that needs to

be noted, and, and you need to be, uh, you know, applauded for that.

That's great.

It's

a huge lesson there.

I think people need to understand they're, they're only successful if the individuals

they're working with are successful.

So, uh, my whole life I was brought up that I needed to find the individuals

that wanted to be successful, and let's mentor theirs and work with them.

And, um, yeah, you know, at Clean Logic it was different because

the individuals had disabilities.

But till it was over, you didn't even... I, I never looked at disabilities.

You know, you interview somebody, I didn't, I didn't look at disabilities.

You

know?

But I think there's also something to say about the way

you approach and solve a problem.

Like from, from Rich's point of view before, it's like, "I'm gonna teach this

person how to sew." But the, the employee at the time said, "You're not blind.

You don't work the way that I work.

Let me try and solve this problem with someone who's already- Who, who's

already done the work that is like me.

So you have a whole new, like, way of going about things, and communication,

and solving problems that never existed in our company or any company that doesn't

have people with, with various abilities or disabilities before, and you...

It, it kinda becomes a whole different set of muscles that you

don't know exist until you use them.

Do you know what I'm saying?

But you have to, you gotta try it before you, in order to discover that, and I

think, a- and I see some of those things today in v- in all different aspects

of our company that, like, we wouldn't have or have figured out or even tried

or thought of if we didn't have people that, uh, you know, were disabled o-

in various ways because it's a whole...

It's just totally different way of thinking.

But also, I r- I really wanna, like, I wanna give you guys your flowers because

the fact that leadership is setting this example of like, "Hey, guys, if something

isn't working, we need to listen to people, and really, like, take, like,

hear them when something isn't working, and listen to them, and listen to their,

uh, advice and suggestions" because I'm telling you, that's where a lot...

We've all seen a lot of businesses where, like, the people on top think

they ha- they know the answers to everything, and if it's not working,

it's not our fault, it's your fault.

And, like, the fact that, you know, you know, we've all seen it a million times.

Well, I think one of the success criteria is that I think has been unbelievable

that, again, goes back to, you know, some of the things that Anderson University

talks about is productivity and safety.

So Rich, uh, I would love to understand how the heck did we go 400 days without

a- ... um, a, a workplace injury?

I think- We went 1,000.

You went, you went 100 days?

We went 1,000.

We went over f- No, we went over 400 days, and then we're working

on another 200, so over this.

So we're, it was only over 400 I remember of, uh...

But I, but I think the key thing is whatever the- That's impressive ... number

of days, the key thing for us, Rich, what, what is that secret sauce?

Because, like, I think that I've heard what the case studies say, but I would

love to know how did we accomplish that with people with disabilities,

forklifts driving around- Yeah.

stuff sticking out, pallets.

Like, how did we do it?

Yeah.

We, we were not safe by accident, right?

That was not a thing.

Um, I came in with a big safety background, um, working in

some, some large facilities.

Um, and once again, the leadership team, uh, they believed in it.

So when you, when, when you implemented a safety rule or, um, you know,

it was, it was the way of life.

It wasn't a, "Hey, by the way, don't do that." It was because we don't want you

to go home differently than you came here.

And I t- tell everybody everywhere I worked, um, you know, these safety rules

are as much selfish on my poi- part as it is to, to protect you because I don't

ever wanna make that phone call Right?

I don't wanna make that call that Rich Reiter was hurt, and it's really bad,

and you need to meet me at the hospital.

Um, that was being very selfish.

So I know, um, you know, Dave often talks about our safety

culture is as great as our, as our culture, um, and our fundamentals.

You know, you step outside the green line, the, the magical green line

that you're supposed to be wearing a vest, somebody's gonna tell you,

and that somebody could be an hourly, that somebody could be a leader.

You know, they're, they're gonna bring you a vest and, and, uh, remind you of that.

So it's, it's a mindset.

You know?

It... If you set that mindset right away and, and you live by

it, then everybody's gonna do it.

It's, it's the broken window theory, right?

So, you know, you don't let the place, you know, a mess,

and everybody's gonna clean up.

You treat safety as if it's a day-to-day thing, everybody's

gonna be safe as they can.

Yeah.

Safety is everybody's responsibility at Cleanlogic.

And you

lay the law down from day one with the n- with, with... You know, when

you bring employees in, you let them know that that's, this is something

that we don't mess around with.

This is something that we take seriously for, you know, just like you said, j- not

just, you know, f- to protect the company, to protect you as an individual, and this

is as serious as it gets around here.

And you guys were ma- I mean, 400 days, that is... In a, in a, in a functioning,

real-deal warehouse like that with, like, the forklifts and all that stuff-

Rich, what, what was the final number?

That's a real big deal What was the final number?

Do you remember?

No, and

I don't know exact number, but I will tell you in my five years almost there,

we had one OSHA recordable injury.

Wow.

Um, so- And I think- ... it was unfortunate.

Um, happened, but, uh...

I'm pretty sure we had 1,025 days, if I remember, safe work days, and then we had

that one injury, and it's been 300- Yeah

plus, 400 since that time.

It's amazing, you guys.

That's amazing.

Yeah, I think, I think it's close to 1,000-something, but, uh, yeah.

What... You know, day by day.

That's amazing.

Go in better than you came in.

So all

right.

Uh, I w- I'd lo- I always love to, to ask this question, too.

You know, when you're talking about people that have, have...

You've worked with, that have worked for you, that have wor- you know, a-

and you're talking about stories that you like to tell, uh, the, the, um, y-

you know, people who, uh, that, that you're proud of, some of your proudest

moments of, of some of your coworkers.

Is there one or two that you'd like to share on this show?

Uh, I w- very proud of the leadership team that I got to lead.

Um, you know, Lillian coming in from a special needs teacher

and, and leading this team.

Um, John and Megan promoted from the warehouse.

Um, taking individuals from the production team and promoting them into, into

picking and packing and receiving.

Um, my greatest moments are seeing the success of others.

That, that's just... If I sit back and look, you know, I...

There was a young man, uh, Tyrese.

When he first started, he was having trouble.

You know, he just- I don't know.

In the evenings, I'm guessing he's playing video games, and he was coming into work,

and he wasn't 100%, and, um, there was plenty of times I had to knock on his

table and wake him up a little bl- bit.

And one day I just had a heart-to-heart with him, and him and Lil, I'm like,

"You got so much more to offer." And then he took that to heart, and

I think Tyrese, you know, really is a great player, a, a good leader.

Um, he, he's really been a success story on, you know, how to make it better.

So the cool things, you know, you can look at the numbers, 96,000 stretch cloths.

That was awesome.

That's incredible, man.

A million

units completed and shipped to Walmart last year.

Unbelievable.

But if you can't lead people and make them better people,

then it's, it's just numbers.

Yeah, the 96,000 pieces, the h- the million units produced and shipped.

But when you see how it's done by the team and the, the joy, the excitement,

the camaraderie that that team has, it's unlike anything I've ever seen.

Like, there is no, there is no group like what we have that produces

all of these products for us.

It's unbelievable.

So it makes those units that we've done that much better and that much more

amazing just to see, like, what they do for the culture, what they do as a group.

They did, uh, they did a talent show not that long ago, and it was, I, it

was amazing to see these, to see them together, like, supporting each other

and cheering each other on and laughing at their jokes and, like, it was a...

You don't see-- And I, and I said to Evelyn and Angie, I'm like, "There is

no other company out there that does it like this." And it was just amazing.

And, and Rich, like, y- you, you built that.

You helped build that.

You got that team, and they, they have so much respect for you.

And when we had your, your lunch at the office, um, your retirement

lunch at the office, everybody gave, like, heartfelt speeches to you.

It was, it was out of control.

That doesn't happen anywhere except at our company, and it needs a person like

Rich in order to do that, and I'm, I'm so thrilled and thankful and appreciative

for what you've created at Clean Logic.

Hey, Evan, before you shut us down, I just wanna close with one thing about

Rich that I thought is a great legacy.

It's when we did our ribbon cutting, and he gave tours to our customers

and, you know, other nonprofits.

You know, we had a great turnout from the community.

And, uh, the sp- uh, the chief innovation officer of, uh, Pennsylvania

speaks and talks about his tour.

And, uh, he says, "You know, this one thing is gonna stick with me for

the rest of my life, and it's gonna be that anybody can do anything."

And I thought when, you know, Rich says that, I love quoting him on that, but that

was one of the things that I really felt like You know, uh, being able to be quoted

that, at that ribbon cutting, I just felt like that's what we really, you know, you

were able to build, and that's kind of like your legacy that I feel you left.

And I, I love you for what you've done,

man.

100%.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's amazing.

The retirement party was very emotional.

Um, the good news is I work for two very emotional guys, so they d- they didn't

have any troubles when I got emotional.

Um, but- I was gonna say, is Isaac

... Do you want ... Mike, Mike, Mike hearing some tears over there, man?

I love it.

I love it.

We, we say at

Clean Logic, we're a crying company.

Yeah.

Everybody cries at Clean Logic.

We're proud of it.

We're proud of it.

Yeah, yeah.

No- God, telling you from, no,

like, I can feel it, I can feel it w- in the air right now.

Like, uh, and I mean this in like the most positive way.

Like, what you guys have created, the culture you've

created, like, this is amazing.

Um, you can tell that there's a sense of pride between the three of

you guys in the company that you've built and the culture you guys have

built, and it shows in the product.

And it's just ... it's such a ... It's an honor to, like, be here and, and,

like, listen to you guys talk about it.

It's great.

Um, you guys should all be so proud of what you guys built

together.

This is amazing.

It's really neat.

I always tell people when we give tours and stuff, and I get to share all these

stories, that the, the neat part is, I, I just get to tell the truth, right?

I don't have to remember anything or any key taglines or anything.

I just get to share the truth.

And, uh, these two gentlemen allowed us to build it.

They gave me the opportunity to grow and become a better

person, husband, father, um, son.

So yeah, I owe it to them, I owe it to them a lot.

Thank you, Rich.

Likewise.

Uh, thank you, Rich.

What an episode.

I love this.

This is, uh ... What an episode.

Thank you for, uh, coming on the show, Rich, and, and, uh, and, and opening

up and telling us all about this.

This is, uh, this is an incredible episode, Driven by Purpose.

We appreciate you guys.

And Isaac and Mike, appreciate you guys, too.

And you ... All, all three of you guys have done an amazing thing here.

Uh, and, and really, if you're listening to this, how can you not be encouraged to

wanna create a business like this, right?

You hear their stories, what they've built, the culture

they've built, stories they have.

They're continuing to grow forward.

Like, how inspiring.

Thank you to all, all of you guys.

And there's nothing

preventing, there's nothing preventing you from doing it.

Anybody that wants to do it, there's absolutely nothing

preventing you from doing it.

Just do it.

Yeah.

I mean, couldn't have said it better.

That's right.

You, you should do it.

You should do

it.

You should do it.

There you go.

There you go.

All right, Rich, we're gonna have you back when you, uh, launch your business,

uh, 'cause we wanna hear all about that.

And, uh, we will talk to you soon.

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Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you, Rich.