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FE6.7 - Critical Mast
Episode 724th October 2025 • Future Ecologies • Future Ecologies
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What do you call it when a population of podcasts mysteriously drop episodes on the same topic at the same time? It's Critical Mast!

We're so proud to present this nutty experiment in community podcasting, with its roots going back to the very beginning of our show (and the beginning of our dedication to silly puns).

Thanks to help from our pals at Jumpstart Nature, Golden State Naturalist, Learning from Nature: The Biomimicry Podcast, Nature’s Archive, and Outside/In, it's time for a bumper crop of podcasts about (or inspired by) the perplexing phenomenon known as masting: where plants somehow synchronize their seed production across staggering distances.

Give all these pods all a follow, & check out this Spotify playlist (to which episodes will be added as they drop).

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Introduction Voiceover:

You are listening to Season Six of

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Future Ecologies.

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So as traditional with Critical Mass,

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we usually have some brief announcements before we start.

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So if anyone has any brief announcements, come up to the

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microphone, then we'll do a safety talk, and then we'll

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ride!

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I don't see anybody clamoring for the

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microphone-

Mendel Skulski:

Testing, testing. I'm Mendel

Adam Huggins:

and I'm Adam!

Mendel Skulski:

and this is the sound of Critical Mass here in

Mendel Skulski:

Vancouver. This tape is from 2009 but it's a tradition that

Mendel Skulski:

carries on somewhat regularly to this day, here and in cities all

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over the world.

Adam Huggins:

For the uninitiated, Critical Mass is a

Adam Huggins:

periodic occurrence where hundreds or even 1000s of

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cyclists gather to overwhelm city streets with their

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presence, all in a joyous protest for safer bicycle

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infrastructure.

Mendel Skulski:

This flash mob springs up, seemingly out of

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nowhere

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Coming out of the woodwork, as it were

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and just as quickly, ebbs away, vanishing

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until the next. So that's Critical Mass, but this is

Mendel Skulski:

Critical Mast... with a T, as in masting. And what is masting? I

Mendel Skulski:

hear you ask.

Mendel Skulski:

Andrew Hacket Pain: So this is actually quite a difficult

Mendel Skulski:

question to answer. Masting is quite a tricky topic to define.

Mendel Skulski:

So I think a relaxed definition of masting is useful, and it

Mendel Skulski:

helps us to incorporate the real diversity of characteristics or

Mendel Skulski:

variation that come under this term. So masting kind of boils

Mendel Skulski:

down to highly variable and synchronized seed production in

Mendel Skulski:

perennial plants

Adam Huggins:

This is Andrew Hacket Pain.

Adam Huggins:

Andrew Hacket Pain: I'm a senior lecturer at the University of

Adam Huggins:

Liverpool in the United Kingdom. I work on forests generally, but

Adam Huggins:

in particular, I work on forest reproduction and on this strange

Adam Huggins:

phenomenon that we know as masting.

Adam Huggins:

In the simplest terms, masting is when a

Adam Huggins:

population of plants — typically, but not always, trees

Adam Huggins:

— all produce a huge crop of seeds at the same time.

Mendel Skulski:

In statistics, I think they call it a crap ton.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, a crop ton.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, in a mast year we've got trees or other

Mendel Skulski:

plants dropping way more seeds than you would see on average.

Mendel Skulski:

Andrew Hacket Pain: So these are long lived plants, and they're

Mendel Skulski:

plants that, rather than reproducing regularly each year,

Mendel Skulski:

so producing an approximately constant seed crop each year,

Mendel Skulski:

instead, they strongly vary their allocation to

Mendel Skulski:

reproduction. In a very typical European masting species like

Mendel Skulski:

Fagus sylvatica, European beech, one of the most common broadleaf

Mendel Skulski:

species in Europe, or actually, the numbers are very similar for

Mendel Skulski:

Picea glauca, for white spruce in North America, a big tree in

Mendel Skulski:

a very good year might produce half a million seeds. And that's

Mendel Skulski:

not just individual trees deciding that this is the year

Mendel Skulski:

to go big, but they do that in a synchronized way.

Mendel Skulski:

This isn't just one tree here and one tree

Mendel Skulski:

there. It's all the trees of a given species in a given area,

Mendel Skulski:

all masting at once.

Adam Huggins:

How big of an area, how many trees? Why? How

Mendel Skulski:

We're going to get into it. But first, I think

Mendel Skulski:

we should say a little bit about how this episode came to be. How

Mendel Skulski:

do you recall the germ of this story, Adam?

Adam Huggins:

Yeah. Critical Mast! This one... this one is a

Adam Huggins:

little bit of a blast from the past.

Mendel Skulski:

It was a long time ago!

Adam Huggins:

We were on a road trip together recording sounds

Adam Huggins:

for our first season, and we were just spitballing puns on

Adam Huggins:

ecology, I think, right,

Mendel Skulski:

yeah, I think this is literally the first time

Mendel Skulski:

we started from the title of an episode before we had anything

Mendel Skulski:

else.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, the title came first before the story. But do you

Mendel Skulski:

remember any of the other ones?

Mendel Skulski:

The only one that I can honestly remember is Galls to the Wall,

Mendel Skulski:

which I think we should still do.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, the ones that stick are the ones that we

Adam Huggins:

should still do. So Critical Mast stuck.

Mendel Skulski:

And then, you know, some years go by and we

Mendel Skulski:

have another idea. Some might say... it's nuts.

Adam Huggins:

It's nuts!

Mendel Skulski:

Basically, we thought to ourselves, wouldn't

Mendel Skulski:

it be funny if a whole population of nature podcasts

Mendel Skulski:

produced their own stories about masting, or inspired by masting,

Adam Huggins:

and then dropped them all at the same time!

Mendel Skulski:

So from Future Ecologies...

Adam Huggins:

and with supporting episodes from our

Adam Huggins:

friends at Outside/In, Nature's Archive, Golden State

Adam Huggins:

Naturalist, Jumpstart Nature, and Learning from Nature (the

Adam Huggins:

biomimicry podcast)...

Mendel Skulski:

this is Critical Mast

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asserted territories of the Musqueam, Squamish, and

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Tsleil-Waututh, this is Future Ecologies – exploring the shape

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Mendel Skulski:

Okay, just to drive it home, what is masting?

Walt Koenig:

So masting, as you probably already know at this

Walt Koenig:

point, is a population level phenomenon. An individual tree

Walt Koenig:

does not mast, a population of trees masts. So the problem when

Walt Koenig:

I started, and this was back about 40 years ago now, was that

Walt Koenig:

nobody had really seemed to pay much attention to defining or

Walt Koenig:

figuring out what a population was.

Mendel Skulski:

This is Walt Koenig, research zoologist

Mendel Skulski:

emeritus at the University of California, Berkeley. And

Mendel Skulski:

despite being one of the leading researchers into the mystery of

Mendel Skulski:

masting, Walt is, by his own description, more of a bird

Mendel Skulski:

person.

Walt Koenig:

What can I say? Masting was just kind of a side

Walt Koenig:

thing. I spent most of my career studying acorn woodpeckers.

Walt Koenig:

Acorn woodpeckers, surprisingly enough, are highly dependent on

Walt Koenig:

acorns. They're famous for storing acorns in what we call

Walt Koenig:

granaries. They use trees, they drill hundreds to 1000s of

Walt Koenig:

little holes in them and stick acorns in them individually. And

Walt Koenig:

so it was clear early on that the birds were highly dependent

Walt Koenig:

on the acorn crop. And so we slowly got interested in trying

Walt Koenig:

to learn something about that. And now that I'm retired, it's

Walt Koenig:

kind of the better project, because I don't have to climb up

Walt Koenig:

to nests, and my wife doesn't want me falling out of a tree.

Walt Koenig:

So now, starting in another couple of days, I go around

Walt Koenig:

every year and count acorns around the state, which can be

Walt Koenig:

done on the ground.

Walt Koenig:

And one of the main questions that cropped up early on was how

Walt Koenig:

spatially synchronous the acorn crop is. So when it's a good

Walt Koenig:

crop here in Upper Carmel Valley, where I live now and

Walt Koenig:

where I did most of my research, does that mean it's a good crop

Walt Koenig:

up in the Bay Area? Does it mean it's a good crop up in the

Walt Koenig:

foothills of the Sierras? Nobody seemed to know the answer.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: So this scale of synchrony is really one

Walt Koenig:

of the most remarkable characteristics of masting, I

Walt Koenig:

think.

Adam Huggins:

I just want to underline here that this masting

Adam Huggins:

behavior shows up in all sorts of different plants and in a

Adam Huggins:

diversity of trees, Andrew's research tends to focus on

Adam Huggins:

European beech, while Walt is primarily interested in oaks and

Adam Huggins:

acorns, and there are a lot of different oaks in California.

Adam Huggins:

One of my favorite things about the place

Walt Koenig:

You've got Oregon oak, White oak, Blue oak, Coast

Walt Koenig:

live oak, Interior live oak, Black oak. What's that one in

Walt Koenig:

Southern California? Yeah, it's a Mexican species. It just makes

Walt Koenig:

it up, and we do the Santa Rosa plateau, which has them. And

Walt Koenig:

I'll think of it in, as I like to say, in between five minutes

Walt Koenig:

and 24 hours.

Adam Huggins:

That one is the Engelman oak, or Pasadena oak,

Adam Huggins:

with one of the smallest ranges of any species of oak in

Adam Huggins:

California,

Walt Koenig:

and each species has a different pattern.

Mendel Skulski:

Meaning, even just between these different

Mendel Skulski:

species of oaks, a given year could be a mast year for some,

Mendel Skulski:

but not for others. And the problem of this spatial

Mendel Skulski:

synchrony remained central to the mystery.

Walt Koenig:

We spent several years trying to figure out what

Walt Koenig:

scale was appropriate. Started out, for example, by starting at

Walt Koenig:

the coast and counting acorns every 10 kilometers till we got

Walt Koenig:

inland. A ways, we did that for a few years, until it turned out

Walt Koenig:

that it was clear that that was too small a scale. And somewhere

Walt Koenig:

along the line, in the 1990s I had a postdoc who said we really

Walt Koenig:

needed to do this right, and doing it right basically meant

Walt Koenig:

spending a week or so driving around California looking at

Walt Koenig:

marked trees and doing a survey of the acorn crop at different

Walt Koenig:

sites around the state. We go to sites that are over 700

Walt Koenig:

kilometers apart, one end of the Central Valley to the other. And

Walt Koenig:

the question is, do they actually produce acorn

Walt Koenig:

synchronously or not?

Adam Huggins:

... we were kind of hoping you might answer that?

Walt Koenig:

Well, I'm glad you asked. It turns out that, okay,

Walt Koenig:

the way spatial synchrony almost basically always works is that

Walt Koenig:

sites that are closer together are unsurprisingly more

Walt Koenig:

synchronous than sites that are farther apart. And it turns out

Walt Koenig:

they are spatially synchronous over very large distances,

Walt Koenig:

hundreds of kilometers, and we're talking millions, if not

Walt Koenig:

10s or hundreds of millions of trees.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: Mast years in Denmark and in Central

Walt Koenig:

Europe, in Sweden, seem to happen generally in the same

Walt Koenig:

years. The pattern is not periodic. It's not strictly

Walt Koenig:

stochastic either. Because while I said there's no periodic

Walt Koenig:

pattern, there is one very important pattern, which is that

Walt Koenig:

we very, very rarely see consecutive years of high seed

Walt Koenig:

production. A year of very high seed production is almost always

Walt Koenig:

followed by a failure year. And it was quite common in the old

Walt Koenig:

literature for masting to be described as some kind of cyclic

Walt Koenig:

pattern. We're still kind of pushing back against this

Walt Koenig:

literature and the way that these ideas have seeded in. Oh,

Walt Koenig:

sorry, that was an accidental pun.

Mendel Skulski:

That's okay, and honestly, totally appropriate

Mendel Skulski:

for this episode. But myth busted!

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, mast production, as it turns out, is

Adam Huggins:

not like the cycles of cicadas or solar storms. We can't just

Adam Huggins:

count the years between mast years and call that a reliable

Adam Huggins:

pattern. And it's too bad, because we've been trying to

Adam Huggins:

figure out masting for a long, long time. Like Karl Marx wrote

Adam Huggins:

about mast production, didn't he?

Mendel Skulski:

[Laughing] Oh my god that's so bad.

Mendel Skulski:

Andrew Hacket Pain: Masting has been recognized for a really

Mendel Skulski:

long time. Really exceptional years of acorn production,

Mendel Skulski:

particularly in Europe, was, I think, noted by the Romans. But

Mendel Skulski:

certainly by the medieval period in Europe, there's a lot of

Mendel Skulski:

interest in masting in relation to acorns as a food source,

Mendel Skulski:

particularly for pigs.

Walt Koenig:

People have been interested in the acorn crop for

Walt Koenig:

many hundreds of years because acorns provided a excellent food

Walt Koenig:

resource, particularly for their hogs. Back in the day, people

Walt Koenig:

spent a lot of time going out there, hitting trees, trying to

Walt Koenig:

knock down the acorns so that they could feed their hogs in

Walt Koenig:

various parts of the world.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: That's a process known as pannage. So

Walt Koenig:

when pigs are put into oak woodlands in particular to feed

Walt Koenig:

on the acorns, that was an important right and important

Walt Koenig:

within European legal systems in the medieval period.

Walt Koenig:

And Spain is an interesting case. of course.

Adam Huggins:

In Spain, spacious oak woodlands called dehesas are

Adam Huggins:

iconic for their pasture and their acorn fed Iberian ham,

Walt Koenig:

which is highly prized!

Adam Huggins:

Cue happy pigs in a Dehesa. And dear listener,

Adam Huggins:

just so you know how dedicated we are to getting you audio

Adam Huggins:

straight from the source, I spent a full day pedaling my ass

Adam Huggins:

up into the foothills of Spain outside of Sevilla on a janky

Adam Huggins:

old bike to get this particular soundscape, only to have the

Adam Huggins:

derailleur get sucked into the spokes and break off, leaving me

Adam Huggins:

stranded in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday.

Mendel Skulski:

So much for critical mass.

Adam Huggins:

I wish there were like 100 other people biking

Adam Huggins:

with me, because do you know what happens in rural areas in

Adam Huggins:

Spain on a Sunday, Mendel?

Mendel Skulski:

...What happens in rural areas in Spain on a

Mendel Skulski:

Sunday, Adam?

Adam Huggins:

A whole lot of nothing. We couldn't even

Adam Huggins:

hitchhike out of there. So I recorded this audio while

Adam Huggins:

waiting on the side of the road to be rescued by my own mother,

Adam Huggins:

who was also on vacation. Thanks, mom.

Mendel Skulski:

That's lucky.

Adam Huggins:

So you're welcome.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, whatever the results.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, I guess it would be better if my sound was

Adam Huggins:

better. I'm sorry I did my best.

Mendel Skulski:

It was so high effort, for a very indistinct

Mendel Skulski:

recording of some pigs

Adam Huggins:

and that, that that's us in a nutshell, Mendel,

Adam Huggins:

that's us in a nutshell. High effort...

Mendel Skulski:

indistinct results! Anyway, back to Walt.

Walt Koenig:

Those Dehesas are well tended, and I can't help

Walt Koenig:

but think that part of the reason that they do so well is

Walt Koenig:

that they've been paying attention to those trees for a

Walt Koenig:

long time and probably choosing trees, selecting trees that

Walt Koenig:

would produce acorns, produce acorns that are edible. I have a

Walt Koenig:

couple of Spanish colleagues who claim that when they get hungry

Walt Koenig:

out there, they can just pick off an acorn from one of those

Walt Koenig:

trees in Spain and eat the thing, which means not that they

Walt Koenig:

don't have tannins, but they do not have the kind of tannins

Walt Koenig:

that the Oaks here in California do.

Adam Huggins:

And according to a chapter that Walt contributed to

Adam Huggins:

an anthology, the oaks of the Spanish Dehesas may have been

Adam Huggins:

selectively cultivated, not only for their palatability, but also

Adam Huggins:

to make them mast less! Regularizing the annual acorn

Adam Huggins:

crop and making it more reliable for the ham economy.

Walt Koenig:

Oh, well, good for me. I made that up, of course,

Walt Koenig:

but my Spanish colleagues did not make me take it out. So I

Walt Koenig:

assume that there's at least some possibility it's true.

Mendel Skulski:

In any case, the point stands. People have had

Mendel Skulski:

plenty of motivation to notice these irregular bumper crops.

Walt Koenig:

So there are data sets that go way back for some

Walt Koenig:

of these species.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: German foresters in particular, were

Walt Koenig:

describing and making observations of masting in the

Walt Koenig:

17th century.

Walt Koenig:

Well, here in California, the famous use of

Walt Koenig:

all those acorns were the Native Americans. There are tribes in

Walt Koenig:

California which have been estimated to get half their

Walt Koenig:

calories from acorns. Now the amount of effort you would have

Walt Koenig:

to go to to collect, protect, and then process enough acorns

Walt Koenig:

to get half your calories, half your food out of those things is

Walt Koenig:

just mind boggling, but it was a critical resource.

Adam Huggins:

Was and is! Acorns continue to be an important

Adam Huggins:

cultural food for the indigenous peoples of California, which we

Adam Huggins:

will come back to in a future episode.

Walt Koenig:

Of course, that's why there are these grinding

Walt Koenig:

rocks everywhere in the foothills of California, because

Walt Koenig:

women spent a vast amount of time hanging out grinding these

Walt Koenig:

acorns up. And then they, of course, had to leach them,

Walt Koenig:

because here in California, they are completely inedible unless

Walt Koenig:

you leach the tannins out of them. But despite that, they've

Walt Koenig:

been an important food resource for humans here for a long time.

Mendel Skulski:

Shout out to another wonderful episode from

Mendel Skulski:

our friends at Outside/In if you want to know more about how this

Mendel Skulski:

traditional food is being revived before we eventually get

Mendel Skulski:

to it, cue up The Acorn — an Ohlone Love Story, from 2021

Adam Huggins:

But before you do that, there are more details of

Adam Huggins:

masting to cover. Because it turns out, they've been a hard

Adam Huggins:

nut to crack. It's only in recent decades that we've made

Adam Huggins:

real scientific progress.

Walt Koenig:

You know, like a lot of things that took a while

Walt Koenig:

before they started asking the kinds of evolutionary questions

Walt Koenig:

that we are now focused on.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: Yeah, so masting appears across the plant

Walt Koenig:

tree of life. It's very common in conifers. It's very common in

Walt Koenig:

angiosperms. The patterns associated with when masting

Walt Koenig:

appears in the tree of life, and when it doesn't appear in the

Walt Koenig:

Tree of Life, indicate that it's a strategy that has evolved

Walt Koenig:

multiple times over the evolution of plants. So it seems

Walt Koenig:

to be a strategy that that emerges and then perhaps when

Walt Koenig:

it's not beneficial, it disappears again and then can re

Walt Koenig:

emerge.

Adam Huggins:

So masting is a pattern that we see across plant

Adam Huggins:

evolution in different lineages arising independently, which

Adam Huggins:

means it's got to be a decent survival strategy. But remember

Adam Huggins:

that after cashing in all of their energy and resources on a

Adam Huggins:

mast year, plants almost always take the next year off.

Mendel Skulski:

Going from tons of seed to... nones of seed.

Mendel Skulski:

Andrew Hacket Pain: In a mast year, as much resource might be

Mendel Skulski:

allocated to reproduction (so the production of flowers and

Mendel Skulski:

the fruits and the seeds) as is allocated to tree growth, as

Mendel Skulski:

much as half of all of the resources allocated above ground

Mendel Skulski:

might be going into reproduction. And then in a non

Mendel Skulski:

mast year, they might produce zero. So it's a phenomenal

Mendel Skulski:

switching of resource allocation. These plants

Mendel Skulski:

actively miss opportunities for reproduction. So they have a

Mendel Skulski:

growing season, they have the opportunity to produce flowers

Mendel Skulski:

and fruits in that year, and yet they pass on that opportunity.

Mendel Skulski:

Which at first seems a little counterintuitive.

Mendel Skulski:

I mean, like after all, reproduction is kind of the name

Mendel Skulski:

of the evolutionary game. If masting comes at the cost of

Mendel Skulski:

taking a year long break, it's got to be worth it.

Adam Huggins:

But why? Spoiler alert, nobody knows for sure,

Adam Huggins:

but we have a few solid leads, a crop load of seeds, and we're

Adam Huggins:

about to get into the weeds. That's after the break.

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Mendel Skulski:

And we're back. I'm Mendel,

Adam Huggins:

I'm Adam, and today we are taking our own

Adam Huggins:

silly pun very seriously.

Mendel Skulski:

You might call it our masterpiece.

Adam Huggins:

Where we left off, we were just about to get into

Adam Huggins:

why masting, this strange behavior of synchronous seed

Adam Huggins:

superabundance, immediately followed by synchronous seed

Adam Huggins:

scarcity, has evolved time and time again, independently all

Adam Huggins:

across the plant kingdom.

Adam Huggins:

Andrew Hacket Pain: Now there are lots of reasons why masting

Adam Huggins:

might be beneficial to plants and why it might be selected for

Adam Huggins:

but it seems there are two main theories as to why masting is

Adam Huggins:

particularly beneficial under some circumstances.

Mendel Skulski:

Once again, we are joined by Andrew Hacket

Mendel Skulski:

Pain. And the first rationale for masting is that it makes it

Mendel Skulski:

easier for plants to get pollinated. Here's Walt Koenig.

Walt Koenig:

Oaks, for example, most of these masting species

Walt Koenig:

are not self pollinating. They have to be cross pollinated by

Walt Koenig:

other trees. So if you're producing flowers, you're

Walt Koenig:

dependent on pollen from some neighbor or some other tree down

Walt Koenig:

the ways. For true oaks, they're all wind pollinated. There's

Walt Koenig:

lots of pollen out there, but it is just floating around in the

Walt Koenig:

air in no particular direction, and the odds of any one pollen

Walt Koenig:

grain falling on a flower is probably strikingly low, even by

Walt Koenig:

astronomical standards.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: It's quite hard to get external pollen into

Walt Koenig:

your flowers. If you're for example, in the forest, they

Walt Koenig:

could just flower very intensely every year, but that has a

Walt Koenig:

pretty major resource cost and would lead to trade offs with,

Walt Koenig:

for example, growth.

Walt Koenig:

If trees sort of get together and decide, okay,

Walt Koenig:

this is going to be a good year. We're going to produce lots of

Walt Koenig:

flowers, female flowers, we're going to produce lots of

Walt Koenig:

catkins, male flowers, lots of pollen. And that's going to be

Walt Koenig:

much more efficient in terms of pollinating everybody, each

Walt Koenig:

other, including myself, than if we don't sort of do this

Walt Koenig:

synchronously.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: Years of very high seed production have

Walt Koenig:

higher pollination efficiency. More of the flowers overall are

Walt Koenig:

pollinated. And that's good from a plant's perspective, because

Walt Koenig:

producing a flower that doesn't result in a fruit is ultimately

Walt Koenig:

a waste of resources.

Adam Huggins:

Another factor here is that once you're a plant

Adam Huggins:

in a masting population, there's a pretty severe penalty to you

Adam Huggins:

if you don't play along.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, if you're the odd one out wasting lots of

Mendel Skulski:

pollen when everyone else is taking a break or failing to

Mendel Skulski:

capitalize on the mast hysteria, you're far less likely to pass

Mendel Skulski:

on your genes into the next generation.

Adam Huggins:

So masting, if you think about it, is kind of a

Adam Huggins:

snowball of selection pressure, and it just keeps rolling. The

Adam Huggins:

second rationale for masting is called the predator satiation

Adam Huggins:

hypothesis.

Walt Koenig:

Almost everybody agrees that predator satiation

Walt Koenig:

is probably often a major, if not the primary, factor,

Walt Koenig:

evolutionary factor driving masting behavior.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: So plant seeds generally are full of

Walt Koenig:

carbon and fats proteins. A side effect of that is that those

Walt Koenig:

same nutrients are usually a good source of food for mammals,

Walt Koenig:

insects and various other organisms which like to eat

Walt Koenig:

seeds.

Walt Koenig:

If trees just produce the same number of

Walt Koenig:

acorns every year, the predator populations would presumably end

Walt Koenig:

up reaching a point where they would eat most of those seeds

Walt Koenig:

every year by varying it a lot, from one year to the next. In a

Walt Koenig:

really bad year, they can cut those populations of predators

Walt Koenig:

down.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: And then one year or two years or some years

Walt Koenig:

later, when that predator population has been suppressed

Walt Koenig:

through starvation, the plants go all in. They produce bumper

Walt Koenig:

seed crops. And any of those seed predators that are still

Walt Koenig:

around? Well, they have a great year, but their population is so

Walt Koenig:

small and has been suppressed to be so small by the starvation

Walt Koenig:

year that a larger proportion of the seeds escape predation. And

Walt Koenig:

that can actually be remarkably effective.

Walt Koenig:

Here in California, we have a fairly intact predator

Walt Koenig:

populations. We have lots of band tailed pigeons. We got lots

Walt Koenig:

of acorn woodpeckers. We have lots of mice, we have lots of

Walt Koenig:

deer. We got lots of everything that loves eating acorns. But in

Walt Koenig:

most years, if you go out there, you will not see hardly any

Walt Koenig:

acorns on the ground. And if you do, they're usually going to be

Walt Koenig:

gone the next morning because some deer is going to come along

Walt Koenig:

and scarf it up, whereas in a really good acorn year, every so

Walt Koenig:

often, then you'll find acorns lying around on the ground,

Walt Koenig:

because there's just not enough animals out there to eat them

Walt Koenig:

all as hard as they may try.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: In the 1980s when masting patterns in

Walt Koenig:

European beach and UK were really strongly expressed,

Walt Koenig:

around 2% of seeds were lost to a specialist seed predator, a

Walt Koenig:

very boring little moth that lives in the canopy. I've

Walt Koenig:

studied them indirectly for a decade. I've never knowingly

Walt Koenig:

seen one, but their larvae feed on beach seeds. They leave a

Walt Koenig:

very characteristic drill hole in the seeds.

Mendel Skulski:

Underestimate this specialist seed predator,

Mendel Skulski:

the beech moth, at your own peril. It's known to be a weapon

Mendel Skulski:

of mast destruction.

Mendel Skulski:

Andrew Hacket Pain: In the 1980s when masting cycles were really

Mendel Skulski:

pronounced, overall seed predation losses to this

Mendel Skulski:

specialist moth were about 2%. In more recent decades, beech

Mendel Skulski:

masting patterns in the UK have changed. Masting has become

Mendel Skulski:

quite a lot less pronounced, or remarkably less pronounced. So

Mendel Skulski:

we don't have such strong failure years anymore. We kind

Mendel Skulski:

of have low ish years rather than zero years, and we don't

Mendel Skulski:

have super peak years anymore. We have kind of medium to high

Mendel Skulski:

years. The whole variability, year to year variability has

Mendel Skulski:

been dampened, and now losses to this seed predator have

Mendel Skulski:

exploded. It's more like 40% of seeds, of viable seeds are now

Mendel Skulski:

destroyed by the seed predator. So it's been a massive shift,

Mendel Skulski:

and it's a really alarming but effective natural experiment to

Mendel Skulski:

show just how effective masting can be at suppressing seed

Mendel Skulski:

predators.

Mendel Skulski:

You might be wondering, given how effective

Mendel Skulski:

it is at reducing seed predators, why would this

Mendel Skulski:

particular tree, European beech, not be masting like it used to?

Adam Huggins:

Nothing masts like it used to anymore.

Mendel Skulski:

[Laughing] oh my god... we'll get back to that a

Mendel Skulski:

little later. But first a wrinkle in the predator

Mendel Skulski:

satiation theory.

Walt Koenig:

One of the contradictory things about oaks

Walt Koenig:

and acorns is that the oaks are producing acorns. The acorns are

Walt Koenig:

how they reproduce, and they want to have a lot of them out

Walt Koenig:

there. And in order to have a lot of them out there, they have

Walt Koenig:

to evade the predators. And this is countered by the fact that

Walt Koenig:

their main dispersers are also some of those predators. The

Walt Koenig:

obvious examples being the Scrub jays and the Stellar jays out

Walt Koenig:

there, because they're the ones that are picking those acorns

Walt Koenig:

and then sticking them in the ground in various places, moving

Walt Koenig:

them uphill even. There's a famous uphill planters paper

Walt Koenig:

written by Joseph Grinnell back in the day. How do oaks disperse

Walt Koenig:

uphills? Well, you know, you get those acorns picked by a Scrub

Walt Koenig:

jay, and they fly uphill to their territory and stick it in

Walt Koenig:

the ground, and there you go.

Walt Koenig:

So they can't do too good a job at, you know, getting rid of all

Walt Koenig:

those predators. I always think of them as kind of half assed

Walt Koenig:

masters. This gets back to a issue with Acorn woodpeckers, if

Walt Koenig:

you don't mind for a minute, which is that they tend to be

Walt Koenig:

restricted to areas that have at least two species of oaks,

Walt Koenig:

presumably, because when you only have one species, it's

Walt Koenig:

going to fail every couple three, four years and. And the

Walt Koenig:

populations of the birds are going to be in trouble. Whereas

Walt Koenig:

when you have two species, they are not likely to be strongly

Walt Koenig:

correlated with each other, and so the odds of both of them

Walt Koenig:

failing in the same year is going to be reduced

Walt Koenig:

significantly. And the more species you have, the lower the

Walt Koenig:

probability that all of them are going to have a bad year in the

Walt Koenig:

same time.

Adam Huggins:

So now we come to the big question, how do plants

Adam Huggins:

do this? The evolutionary benefits of masting rely on

Adam Huggins:

coordination between individuals. So how do all of

Adam Huggins:

the trees of a particular species across a vast region,

Adam Huggins:

sometimes their entire range, synchronize their seed

Adam Huggins:

production.

Mendel Skulski:

Could it be a conspiracy of the fungi?

Mendel Skulski:

Relaying the signal from root to root across their mycelial fiber

Mendel Skulski:

optics?

Walt Koenig:

Okay, so trees may very well communicate over short

Walt Koenig:

distances. You know, groups of trees that are within the same

Walt Koenig:

little meadow or something may communicate in various ways

Walt Koenig:

through their roots or whatever, but they are not doing this over

Walt Koenig:

distances of 10s or hundreds of kilometers. So that's not likely

Walt Koenig:

to be a factor which is really driving the kind of synchrony

Walt Koenig:

that we see.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: I think, a good example of how below ground

Walt Koenig:

communication can't explain the patterns of masting that we see

Walt Koenig:

would be something as simple as to see how strongly masting is

Walt Koenig:

synchronized on either side of the English Channel in Europe.

Walt Koenig:

So if you are in the south of England, your masting patterns

Walt Koenig:

will be almost identical to the populations of beech or oak in

Walt Koenig:

northern France. And I don't think anyone is suggesting that

Walt Koenig:

there are mycorrhizal networks that extend under the English

Walt Koenig:

Channel and connect the United Kingdom with Europe.

Adam Huggins:

I mean, at least not since Brexit. Am I right?

Adam Huggins:

Andrew Hacket Pain: So, sorry to disappoint you.

Mendel Skulski:

I guess just because it's not mushrooms

Mendel Skulski:

doesn't mean it's not cool.

Adam Huggins:

I'm proud of you for saying so. So what is the

Adam Huggins:

most parsimonious explanation? Drumroll please.

Walt Koenig:

It turns out that if you look at weather, so

Walt Koenig:

rainfall, temperature, which are sort of the two main things that

Walt Koenig:

there are data on, if nothing else, they are also highly

Walt Koenig:

spatially synchronous over distances of hundreds, in some

Walt Koenig:

cases, 1000s or more kilometers, basically everywhere in the

Walt Koenig:

World. So there is no problem having rainfall or temperature

Walt Koenig:

having effects, which is what the trees are all sensitive to,

Walt Koenig:

and that is by far the most likely factor which is going to

Walt Koenig:

be synchronizing these trees.

Walt Koenig:

Andrew Hacket Pain: So what's happening here is that plants

Walt Koenig:

are responding to variations in their environment, and in

Walt Koenig:

relation to masting, there, I think two main sources of of

Walt Koenig:

what we might think of as information that they're

Walt Koenig:

responding to. So one is weather variability, photo period as

Walt Koenig:

well, so day length. That's also something that's important. It

Walt Koenig:

helps them to work out when they should be responding to

Walt Koenig:

temperature. There may also be some influences with radiation

Walt Koenig:

as well.

Walt Koenig:

The second source of information is their own internal plant

Walt Koenig:

reserves and their own internal signaling. They're not going to

Walt Koenig:

invest heavily in seed production when their internal

Walt Koenig:

reserves are depleted, either because they simply don't have

Walt Koenig:

the reserves to fuel a super peak year, or because doing that

Walt Koenig:

might deplete their reserves dangerously and lead to trade

Walt Koenig:

offs, for example, with mortality. And so it may be that

Walt Koenig:

this ecological synchrony in terms of masting, is a kind of

Walt Koenig:

emergent property, something that just happens as a

Walt Koenig:

consequence of processes that are happening at local scales

Walt Koenig:

that are regulated by temperature, and temperature

Walt Koenig:

just happens to be spatially synchronized at scales of up to

Walt Koenig:

hundreds of kilometers. We just don't really know at the moment,

Walt Koenig:

it's one of the open questions as to whether that large scale

Walt Koenig:

spatial synchrony has any kind of adaptive benefit for the

Walt Koenig:

trees, or if it's just a kind of thing that emerges.

Mendel Skulski:

So there is still lots of mystery. Each

Mendel Skulski:

masting species appears to be listening for a different set of

Mendel Skulski:

signals. For some, it's wet, winter weather. For others, it's

Mendel Skulski:

dry, and plenty more we just don't know!

Walt Koenig:

For the most part, we really have very little idea

Walt Koenig:

why weather correlates with the acorn crop of any of these

Walt Koenig:

species,

Adam Huggins:

And when your research subject is synonymous

Adam Huggins:

with age itself, the venerable oak or the ancient beech tree,

Adam Huggins:

it becomes increasingly important that your data look

Adam Huggins:

back further than just a single scientific career to tackle that

Adam Huggins:

problem, Andrew and his colleague Davide Ascoli took on

Adam Huggins:

an immense project, called MASTREE

Adam Huggins:

Andrew Hacket Pain: Where we focused on European beech and

Adam Huggins:

Norway spruce. That was kind of our first step into compiling

Adam Huggins:

masting records. We were delving into the literature, contacting

Adam Huggins:

foresters and other forest researchers across Europe,

Adam Huggins:

diving into some pretty old archives right back from the

Adam Huggins:

17th, 18th, 19th century, and pulling out records, harvest

Adam Huggins:

records, seed harvest records, all sorts of observations, and

Adam Huggins:

compiling them into one big database for those two species.

Adam Huggins:

And then few years ago, we got some funding to ambitiously

Adam Huggins:

expand that project into MASTREE+ which, rather than

Adam Huggins:

focusing on two species had the ambitious aim of trying to

Adam Huggins:

compile everything we could anywhere for any perennial plant

Adam Huggins:

species

Mendel Skulski:

Enter MASTREE+, an enormous Open Access

Mendel Skulski:

database, currently containing over 80,000 geo referenced

Mendel Skulski:

observations from 974 species of perennial plants in 66 countries

Mendel Skulski:

organized into nearly 6000 time series dating back as far as the

Mendel Skulski:

year 1677

Adam Huggins:

Enabling scientists like Andrew and Walt

Adam Huggins:

to turn back time and go beyond the question of the year to year

Adam Huggins:

weather to get at that of the climate.

Adam Huggins:

Andrew Hacket Pain: I think the impact of climate change on

Adam Huggins:

masting has become one of the priority questions in the field.

Adam Huggins:

To see how it's changing over time, you need decades and

Adam Huggins:

decades of data. So in beach, mast years typically follow, in

Adam Huggins:

fact, very strongly, follow years of high temperature, high

Adam Huggins:

summer temperatures. What's happened in the last few

Adam Huggins:

decades, as the climate has warmed very rapidly, is that

Adam Huggins:

these years of high summer temperatures are happening much,

Adam Huggins:

much more regularly. So an imperfect analogy is that the

Adam Huggins:

trigger of the gun is now being pulled so regularly that the gun

Adam Huggins:

hasn't always had time to be reloaded. The queues are

Adam Huggins:

happening so frequently. Sometimes every year, every

Adam Huggins:

couple of years, the beech has not been able to replenish the

Adam Huggins:

resources. Or some individuals have others haven't. Some have

Adam Huggins:

partially. But it seems like some species are more resilient

Adam Huggins:

to climate warming than others. This, again, is something that's

Adam Huggins:

very much at the frontier of what we know, and that's

Adam Huggins:

probably because different species have very slightly

Adam Huggins:

different, or in some cases very different ways of regulating

Adam Huggins:

year to year variability in seed production. And so some species,

Adam Huggins:

like beech might have a particular mechanism which just

Adam Huggins:

happens to be really sensitive to climate change. Other species

Adam Huggins:

might have mechanisms which are not so sensitive.

Mendel Skulski:

So of course, climate change is starting to

Mendel Skulski:

affect mast seeding, and in the case of European beech, it's a

Mendel Skulski:

big problem since its primary seed predator

Adam Huggins:

the voracious beech moth

Mendel Skulski:

has gone from stochastic famine to prefix, you

Mendel Skulski:

know, three square meals a day and the brood to match.

Adam Huggins:

But as we know, different masting species have

Adam Huggins:

wildly varying trigger signals. So just as with climate change,

Adam Huggins:

you can imagine, every plant and every place will be its own

Adam Huggins:

story.

Mendel Skulski:

A story about more than an individual, more

Mendel Skulski:

than a population of trees, but of ripples moving outward

Mendel Skulski:

through an ecosystem

Adam Huggins:

With all of their downstream effects, big and

Adam Huggins:

small.

Mendel Skulski:

Rippling into acorn woodpeckers

Adam Huggins:

and ground nesting birds

Mendel Skulski:

Into mice and squirrels.

Adam Huggins:

Deer

Mendel Skulski:

and ticks

Adam Huggins:

and Lyme disease.

Mendel Skulski:

There are like, whole species of bamboo that

Mendel Skulski:

flower all together all over the world and then immediately die,

Mendel Skulski:

the ultimate mast.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, a kind of mast suicide. And then you've

Adam Huggins:

got broods of cicadas that sap trees of their energy

Mendel Skulski:

literally

Adam Huggins:

to the point where they might not even have enough

Adam Huggins:

to spare to mast when they otherwise would. Masting has all

Adam Huggins:

of these cascading ecological implications, many of them

Adam Huggins:

unknown or under explored. And so we thought it was appropriate

Adam Huggins:

to drop a whole bunch of examples at once here at the end

Adam Huggins:

of the episode.

Mendel Skulski:

Especially because if you're hungry for

Mendel Skulski:

even more stories about masting, our friends at all of these

Mendel Skulski:

wonderful podcasts have made their own episodes for you to

Mendel Skulski:

enjoy. Thanks again to Golden State Naturalist, Jumpstart

Mendel Skulski:

Nature, Learning From Nature, Nature's Archive and Outside/In.

Adam Huggins:

Thank you for joining us on this wildly zany

Adam Huggins:

experiment.

Mendel Skulski:

We've got links in the show notes.

Adam Huggins:

And to put the cap on this little acorn, I want to

Adam Huggins:

reflect for a moment on where we are right now, not to draw too

Adam Huggins:

direct a line from this biological epiphenomenon to our

Adam Huggins:

sort of muddled human lives. But in my early 20s, I took a

Adam Huggins:

permaculture course delivered by a remarkable woman named

Adam Huggins:

Starhawk, and she had just written a book at that time

Adam Huggins:

called The Earth Path. And in that book, she was exploring

Adam Huggins:

natural patterns, right patterns and processes that we find in

Adam Huggins:

nature to learn what they can offer us for our social

Adam Huggins:

movements, not just teach us about how to engineer widgets

Adam Huggins:

right or how to design our architecture, but about how we

Adam Huggins:

organize ourselves, especially for change. And I've been

Adam Huggins:

thinking about masting in this respect, because I, like a lot

Adam Huggins:

of people right now, am feeling a little depleted.

Mendel Skulski:

No kidding!

Adam Huggins:

And I have this feeling that that there really

Adam Huggins:

is a need for, you know, a kind of mast movement, for lack of a

Adam Huggins:

better word. And there's something about these plants,

Adam Huggins:

right, their ability to coordinate action on a massive

Adam Huggins:

continental, intercontinental sometimes, scale, without direct

Adam Huggins:

communication, right, without passing information back and

Adam Huggins:

forth, but just because they are all responding together to

Adam Huggins:

signals that they all recognize. I think there's something to

Adam Huggins:

glean there.

Mendel Skulski:

I mean, like, Critical Mass is kind of the

Mendel Skulski:

perfect example, right, right, right. Like on our own, we're

Mendel Skulski:

just singular grains of pollen with impossible odds of actually

Mendel Skulski:

making a change. We're scattered aimlessly on the wind and on any

Mendel Skulski:

normal day, bikes don't really stand a chance against the car

Mendel Skulski:

hegemony. But then when enough people tuned in to the right

Mendel Skulski:

signals, you know, they come together and they're undeniable.

Mendel Skulski:

And they can change the whole landscape.

Mendel Skulski:

So yeah, I guess, as another author, Robin Wall Kimmerer

Mendel Skulski:

reminds us, in the context of masting, all flourishing is

Mendel Skulski:

mutual.

Mendel Skulski:

Thanks for listening and thanks for letting us be our silly,

Mendel Skulski:

nerdy selves. In this episode of Future Ecologies, you heard Walt

Mendel Skulski:

Koenig and Andrew Hacket Pain. It was produced by me, Mendel

Mendel Skulski:

Skulski and Adam Huggins, with help from Eden Zinchik. Music by

Mendel Skulski:

Thumbug and Sunfish Moon Light, cover art by Ale Silva. Once

Mendel Skulski:

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Mendel Skulski:

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10. FE3.10 - Goatwalker: An Open Wound (Part 4)
00:59:02
9. FE3.9 - Goatwalker: Saguaro Juniper (Part 3)
00:58:03
8. FE3.8 - Goatwalker: Sanctuary (Part 2)
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7. FE3.7 - Goatwalker: On Errantry (Part 1)
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6. FE3.6 - Making Sense of Each Other
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5. FE3.5 - The Story of the Understory of the Understory
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4. FE3.4 - Dama Drama
00:56:06
3. FE3.3 - Nature, by Design? Freakological Fallacies (Part 3)
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2. FE3.2 - Nature, by Design? The Path to the Wilderness Lodge (Part 2)
00:45:18
bonus [UNLOCKED] Seaweed Sojourning 1: Light and Colour
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1. FE3.1 - Nature, by Design? Taking the Neo-Eoscenic Route (Part 1)
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bonus Future Ecologies presents: Back to Earth - Queer Currents
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bonus Future Ecologies presents: Life in the Plastisphere
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bonus Scales of Change - Chapter 7: A Form of Life
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bonus Scales of Change - Chapter 6: Relatives of the Deep
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bonus Scales of Change - Chapter 5: Force Majeure
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bonus Scales of Change - Chapter 4: Driving Decisions
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bonus Scales of Change - Chapter 3: Writing on the Wall
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bonus Scales of Change - Chapter 2: Technosalvation
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bonus Scales of Change - Chapter 1: Hope Punk
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bonus Scales of Change - Introduction: A Theory of Change
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bonus Announcing "Scales of Change"
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9. FE2.9 - Kelp Worlds: In the Balance (Part 3)
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8. FE2.8 - Kelp Worlds: Ocean People (Part 2)
00:57:41
7. FE2.7 - Kelp Worlds: Trophic Cascadia (Part 1)
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6. FE2.6 - Podcasters of the World, Relax!
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bonus [TEASER] What Does a Mushroom Hear?
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5. FE2.5 - The Nature of Sound
00:59:11
4. FE2.4 - Rematriation
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bonus [REISSUE] FE1.3 - The Loneliest Plants
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3. FE2.3 - Communia Omnia
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2. FE2.2 - On Fire: In the Wobble (Part 3)
01:04:11
1. FE2.1 - Enlichenment and the Triage of Life
01:05:37
bonus [UNLOCKED] Meet Your Jellyfish Overlords
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bonus True Dreams: The Music of Season 1
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11. FE1.11 - Funerary Ecologies
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10. FE1.10 - Dams: Rushing Downriver (Part 2)
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9. FE1.9 - Dams: Swimming Upstream (Part 1)
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8. FE1.8 - Jellyfishing for Answers
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7. FE1.7 - Help Not Helping
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6. FE1.6 - On Fire: Combustible Communities (Part 2)
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5. FE1.5 - On Fire: Camas, Cores, and Spores (Part 1)
00:49:51
4. FE1.4 - Luces en el Cielo
00:53:41
3. FE1.3 - The Loneliest Plants
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2. FE1.2 - This is Where it Begins
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1. FE1.1 - Decolonize this Podcast
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