Food security, climate adaptation, and vibrant biodiversity all in one place — welcome to the ancient and diverse technologies of Sea Gardening.
These widespread (but often overlooked) monumental rock features are proof positive of thriving Indigenous maricultural systems all around the Pacific Rim, since time immemorial. These spaces are not only simply stunningly beautiful spots to hang out, they're also a powerful symbol of ecocultural restoration; of Indigenous sovereignty, self-determination, and internationalism; of relationship building; and of the kind of future that is possible as we adapt to a changing climate and rising sea levels. We hope you find them as inspiring as we do.
Join us as we visit a sea garden, learn about how they work, and meet a few of the people bringing them back to life.
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Introduction Voiceover:
You are listening to Season Six of
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Future Ecologies.
Adam Huggins:
Hey everyone, welcome back. No cold open this
Adam Huggins:
time, because on today's show sea garden, we're diving right
Adam Huggins:
in to a story about food security, ecosystem restoration
Adam Huggins:
and climate adaptation.
Mendel Skulski:
It's a story going back 1000s of years into
Mendel Skulski:
the past, and fingers crossed, 1000s of years into the future.
Mendel Skulski:
What does all that look like? Well...
Hannah Morris:
You'll just have to wait and see.
Erich Kelch:
Cool. And we'll get up to speed. [Boat accelerates]
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Broadcasting from the unceded, shared and
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asserted territories of the Musqueam, Squamish, and
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Tsleil-Waututh, this is Future Ecologies – exploring the shape
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of our world through ecology, design, and sound.
Hannah Morris:
Uhh where are we? We're at the beach, and we're at
Hannah Morris:
one of the historic, what is now called a sea garden, previously
Hannah Morris:
known as a clam garden wall. And before it even had a name, I
Hannah Morris:
imagine that we would be at a grocery store. We were at my
Hannah Morris:
ancestors grocery store, our dinner table.
Hannah Morris:
ÍY SȻÁĆEL [SENĆOŦEN greeting] Good day, everyone. My English
Hannah Morris:
name is Hannah, and my W̱ILṈEW̱ SNÁ is W̱EM,LEŚELWET, and I'm
Hannah Morris:
from here in the W̱SÁNEĆ territory in Saanich. [SENĆOŦEN]
Hannah Morris:
I'm grateful to be here with you today.
Mendel Skulski:
I'm grateful to be here with you.
Hannah Morris:
HÍSW̱KE
Mendel Skulski:
This place is so... alive, it's hard to
Mendel Skulski:
believe!
Hannah Morris:
Isn't it?
Mendel Skulski:
Picture this... low tide on a sunny day, a
Mendel Skulski:
gently sloping beach, bright, not with sand, but with coarse
Mendel Skulski:
bits of broken shell. All around you, buried clams are saying
Mendel Skulski:
hello as they squirt jets of water into the air. The red rock
Mendel Skulski:
crabs duck and dart all over the abundant green seaweed. And just
Mendel Skulski:
there, behind you on a boulder, a sea cucumber the size of a
Mendel Skulski:
shoe, waiting patiently for the tide to return.
Hannah Morris:
I feel extremely privileged this is a work day.
Hannah Morris:
This is what I get to do for work, come and check out the
Hannah Morris:
beach
Mendel Skulski:
Including the most prominent feature of this
Mendel Skulski:
beach, a rock wall stretching across the entire width of the
Mendel Skulski:
low tide line.
Hannah Morris:
All rocks have been placed there gently,
Hannah Morris:
specifically and with a good heart and mind when it happened.
Mendel Skulski:
How long have those rocks been there?
Hannah Morris:
Allegedly 3500 years to 4000. I don't know. I
Hannah Morris:
put some rocks on there about a year ago. So there's some new
Hannah Morris:
ones, some old ones. Oh, Carl's got a fork!
Mendel Skulski:
What are you doing right now, Carl?
Carl Olsen:
Just digging to see what clams I'll come up with
Carl Olsen:
here. I think right here is mostly butters and stuff.
Mendel Skulski:
Hold on... is that... is that a barnacle?
Carl Olsen:
That's an old, old barnacle. Big one, eh?
Mendel Skulski:
That's a big one!
Carl Olsen:
My English. Name is Carl Olsen. I'm from the W̱SÁNEĆ
Carl Olsen:
community, Tsartlip. I carry my grandfather's Indian name. It's
Carl Olsen:
ZȺWIZUT.
Carl Olsen:
Go to along the rock wall there and start digging. You'll see.
Carl Olsen:
The clams are... they're healthier. And that's what this
Carl Olsen:
wall provides, too, a healthier environment, and you get much
Carl Olsen:
meatier clams, they're bigger, they're healthier.
Mendel Skulski:
Tell me what we're looking at.
Hannah Morris:
What are we looking at? We're looking at
Hannah Morris:
rocks all piled up in wall form. And not only are there rocks in
Hannah Morris:
there, there are different species.
Nicole Smith:
There is so much life in these places. They're
Nicole Smith:
alive.
Mendel Skulski:
I feel like I would be remiss in letting this
Mendel Skulski:
day go by without having you, our resident marine ecologist,
Mendel Skulski:
give me a lightning round of all the species you might find in
Mendel Skulski:
the sea garden.
Erin Slade:
Oh, boy, okay. Well, I mean, there's so many. And if
Erin Slade:
you start getting into tube worms and shore crabs, I'm not
Erin Slade:
going to be able to tell you what species they are. You'll
Erin Slade:
see our superstars, the butter and little neck clams. Those
Erin Slade:
tend to be the most targeted, harvestable native species.
Erin Slade:
You'll see red rock crabs, burrowing under the rocks,
Erin Slade:
moving around under the green seaweed, sea stars, sea
Erin Slade:
cucumbers, limpets,
Nicole Smith:
whelks,
Erin Slade:
many different types of sea snails,
Nicole Smith:
all sorts of barnacles, of course,
Erin Slade:
a lot of hermit crabs,
Nicole Smith:
sometimes little gunnels.
Erin Slade:
Urchins! urchins is another one. We don't see a ton
Erin Slade:
of them, but they do exist on the wall.
Nicole Smith:
Lots of creatures, more than I've just mentioned.
Marco Hatch:
Yeah, thinking about low tide, the water
Marco Hatch:
receding out, and you can see the top of the rock wall. That
Marco Hatch:
rock wall emerges, the waves coming offshore, being broken by
Marco Hatch:
that rock wall. And you have a kind of a smooth, clear water
Marco Hatch:
inside the clam garden as the water is receding. And then the
Marco Hatch:
little clams start spurting out — pshc psch pshc — shooting up
Marco Hatch:
little spurts of water, up and down. And then, as the water
Marco Hatch:
recedes and the rocks fully emerge, you can go down and
Marco Hatch:
crawl around the rocks and see red sea cucumber, red rock crab,
Marco Hatch:
chitins, large snails and limpets.
Erin Slade:
And something that we don't see very often, but we
Erin Slade:
know exists — that people actually sometimes create traps
Erin Slade:
for — is Giant Pacific Octopus.
Erich Kelch:
What else can be there? Chitins, mussels, yeah,
Erich Kelch:
the whole works... feast.
Mendel Skulski:
A feast on the beach.
Erich Kelch:
Feast on the beach, yeah yeah yeah.
Marco Hatch:
You have this really complex ecosystem that
Marco Hatch:
emerges all within this rock wall system and seaweeds and all
Marco Hatch:
these other traditional foods, and all of this three
Marco Hatch:
dimensional structure, these rocks that are piled up with
Marco Hatch:
little hidey holes in them for other traditional foods to live
Marco Hatch:
in. And so it's this really unique system where, you know,
Marco Hatch:
as an intertidal ecologist, we'll go to soft sediment —
Marco Hatch:
sand, gravel, mud beaches — and look for clams and do our
Marco Hatch:
research there, or we'll go to rocky intertidal, and that's
Marco Hatch:
where we study things like limpets and snails and things
Marco Hatch:
like that. But here you've got both of those things together.
Mendel Skulski:
So before I forget, could you introduce
Mendel Skulski:
yourself?
Erin Slade:
Sure, yeah. I'm Erin Slade, and I'm a marine
Erin Slade:
ecologist working with the Sea Garden Restoration Project at
Erin Slade:
Parks Canada. We've been working on this project and with these
Erin Slade:
wonderful communities and sea gardens for just over four
Erin Slade:
years.
Nicole Smith:
Hello. My name is Nicole Smith, and I am an
Nicole Smith:
archeologist, fortunate to work along the coast for over 20
Nicole Smith:
years.
Marco Hatch:
[Xws7ámeshqen greeting] tse ne-sná7 Marko
Marco Hatch:
Hatch. My name is Marco Hatch. I'm a member of the Samish
Marco Hatch:
Indian Nation and Associate Professor of Environmental
Marco Hatch:
Science at Western Washington University in Bellingham,
Marco Hatch:
Washington.
Erich Kelch:
My name is Eric Kelch, born in lək̓ʷəŋən
Erich Kelch:
territory, here on the West Coast, and work now for Parks
Erich Kelch:
Canada on the Sea Gardens Project.
Mendel Skulski:
So just make sure we have it covered, what is
Mendel Skulski:
a clam garden? How does it work?
Marco Hatch:
Clam gardens are magical intertidal spaces where
Marco Hatch:
ancestors moved large rocks to the low tide line to flatten a
Marco Hatch:
beach. Just like you could terrace a hill to grow more
Marco Hatch:
grapes, you can terrace a beach to grow more clams. And so these
Marco Hatch:
rocks at the low tide line, sediment then fills in between
Marco Hatch:
them. And so it takes a steep beach and it flattens it out.
Marco Hatch:
What that does is it increases the space in what we call the
Marco Hatch:
Goldilocks zone. So butter clams and other clams live in a really
Marco Hatch:
narrow zone of the intertidal. If they live too high, they dry
Marco Hatch:
out and die. If they live too low, they get eaten by sea
Marco Hatch:
stars. So there's a really narrow window they like to live
Marco Hatch:
in, and these terraces are built in exactly that tidal level.
Marco Hatch:
You've got a rocky ecosystem that was built intentionally by
Marco Hatch:
people moving rocks, and then all that sediment that fills in
Marco Hatch:
that winds up being prime habitat and conditions for clams
Marco Hatch:
to grow. Through the Clam Garden Network, we've been able to
Marco Hatch:
measure and quantify things like two to four times the biomass of
Marco Hatch:
clams in a clam garden compared to a non clam garden area, and
Marco Hatch:
growth rates about 50% or greater.
Erin Slade:
So sometimes they're actually built up in spaces that
Erin Slade:
didn't previously have a sandy beach, and by creating a barrier
Erin Slade:
between two rocky outcrops, you create the space for sand to
Erin Slade:
start to fill in and creating basically a new beach where
Erin Slade:
there didn't used to be. So they can be kind of on steep
Erin Slade:
bouldering slopes. They can be between rocky outcrops on
Erin Slade:
beaches that already exist, such as the one that we're at today
Erin Slade:
on Russell Island, or something like the Fulford harbor sea
Erin Slade:
garden is a big, long wall along a large, already kind of sandy
Erin Slade:
gravel beach.
Mendel Skulski:
And then beyond the rocks, what are we seeing?
Hannah Morris:
I see the bull kelp.
Mendel Skulski:
So this is a proper little kelp forest as
Mendel Skulski:
well.
Hannah Morris:
You bet
Mendel Skulski:
Wow.
Marco Hatch:
Clam gardens are only exposed a few days of the
Marco Hatch:
year at low tide. In the US, a lot of Clam Gardens will be
Marco Hatch:
expected to be around a negative two foot tide. In Canada, you're
Marco Hatch:
generally a meter or less.
Erin Slade:
One of the major challenges with... Well, I don't
Erin Slade:
know if it's necessarily a challenge, it's really just a
Erin Slade:
nature of this type of work. And part of what makes it beautiful
Erin Slade:
and special, but also limiting and fleeting is that we can only
Erin Slade:
really access these places for a few days every month, in the
Erin Slade:
summer and then in the middle of the night when the tides are low
Erin Slade:
enough in the winter,
Marco Hatch:
with our most extreme tides during the winter
Marco Hatch:
and summer solstice. But those extreme tides in the winter
Marco Hatch:
happen at night. But yeah, being an intertidal ecologist, when
Marco Hatch:
you open your calendar for the year, you put in low tides, and
Marco Hatch:
then you plan everything around that. These areas can be
Marco Hatch:
extraordinarily vibrant, can have high densities of clams,
Marco Hatch:
and also defy what we think is possible — having these clams at
Marco Hatch:
a higher tide line, if you could move the height of those clams
Marco Hatch:
up by 20 centimeters. Now they're probably exposed more
Marco Hatch:
hours of the day, and then more days a year, right? So if you're
Marco Hatch:
thinking about that as your grocery store, we've just, you
Marco Hatch:
know, opened it more days with longer hours, which is huge in
Marco Hatch:
the winter time, and other times when it might be marginal to go
Marco Hatch:
out and harvest.
Mendel Skulski:
Why did the name change from clam garden to sea
Mendel Skulski:
garden?
Hannah Morris:
Because there aren't just clams that live
Hannah Morris:
here.
Erin Slade:
One of the reasons that we call these spaces Sea
Erin Slade:
Gardens is at the guidance of the nations. These rock walls
Erin Slade:
are multi faceted and multi functional, and they don't just
Erin Slade:
support clams. They support many other species.
Mendel Skulski:
Is there just one type of sea garden?
Nicole Smith:
No, there are many, many different kinds of
Nicole Smith:
sea gardens, and there are around the world.
Hannah Morris:
It's global too. It's not just here on the West
Hannah Morris:
Coast, not just on Vancouver Island. It's everywhere.
Nicole Smith:
There are going to be variations on the sea garden
Nicole Smith:
technologies that may target particular species, or may be
Nicole Smith:
beneficial to many.
Adam Huggins:
On the bays and fjords of Patagonia, Corrales De
Adam Huggins:
Pesca have been maintained by Indigenous Chilean and mestizo
Adam Huggins:
people to harvest and store the abundance of the sea, including
Adam Huggins:
fish, eggs, shellfish and seaweed
Mendel Skulski:
Along the humid coastlines of the Taiwanese
Mendel Skulski:
Penghu archipelago, monumental stone fish weirs known as Shi Hu
Mendel Skulski:
sprawl like enormous petrified jellyfish made of basalt
Mendel Skulski:
limestone and coral.
Adam Huggins:
For over 6000 years, the Gunditjmara people
Adam Huggins:
have used volcanic stones to create pools and channels to
Adam Huggins:
capture kuyang or short-finned eels as they migrate to sea and
Adam Huggins:
back through the complex wetlands of southeastern
Adam Huggins:
Australia.
Mendel Skulski:
And here, up and down the west coast of North
Mendel Skulski:
America, there are fish traps, octopus houses And, of course,
Mendel Skulski:
clam gardens. All around the Pacific Ocean, many forms of
Mendel Skulski:
indigenous mariculture have been practiced since time immemorial.
Erich Kelch:
I think fundamentally, it's modifying a
Erich Kelch:
beach in a way that provides more food than would have been
Erich Kelch:
there on its own. So this idea that if you take an active part
Erich Kelch:
in restoring or attending a beach, then you could provide
Erich Kelch:
lots of food.Depending on culture, depending on like what
Erich Kelch:
the beach offered you, what is naturally there, you know, I
Erich Kelch:
think people were smart and they they really are emblematic of
Erich Kelch:
deep listening and deep paying attention and deep connection to
Erich Kelch:
a place. Dependent on what that site was, was what you would
Erich Kelch:
kind of modify it to be, and different beaches are going to
Erich Kelch:
need different things.
Nicole Norris:
It's so much more than just a collection of rocks
Nicole Norris:
that creates biomass or biodiversity. It's so much more
Nicole Norris:
than that. It's a revival of a portion of our language, a
Nicole Norris:
revival of the kinship ties between our nations, because
Nicole Norris:
long ago, we were nomadic. You know, we have all these
Nicole Norris:
overlapping shared spaces, and the Gulf Islands is definitely
Nicole Norris:
one of them. [Xeláltxw greeting] My English name is Nicole
Nicole Norris:
Norris, and my traditional name is Ala̱g̱a̱mił. I am a very
Nicole Norris:
treasured member from the Halalt First Nation coming from the
Nicole Norris:
Hul'q'umi'num homelands here on Vancouver Island. I'm a
Nicole Norris:
descendant of Stutson, and there's grand stories of Stutson
Nicole Norris:
being in these places. Stutson, in our greater creation story,
Nicole Norris:
is one of the first four that fell from the sky. It was him
Nicole Norris:
and his three brothers.
Mendel Skulski:
Long since Stutson fell from the sky,
Mendel Skulski:
Nicole recalled the very first time that she visited a sea
Mendel Skulski:
garden wall, walking under a moonlit low tide with her friend
Mendel Skulski:
and colleague.
Nicole Norris:
And we got to a certain part in the wall, and I
Nicole Norris:
pulled off my my boots and my socks, and I began to nestle my
Nicole Norris:
feet into the sand, into the ground. And I turned and I
Nicole Norris:
looked at him. It was such a profound moment for myself. I
Nicole Norris:
turned and I looked at him, and I said, I'm standing in
Nicole Norris:
Stutson's footprints. And I leaned over, and I grabbed a
Nicole Norris:
rock off the wall, and I put my hand on top of it, and I said,
Nicole Norris:
I'm holding a rock that Stutson held. I'm holding his hand.
Marco Hatch:
Seeing these massive, monumental rock
Marco Hatch:
features that ancestors had built and tended for 1000s of
Marco Hatch:
years changed my view and understanding of intertidal
Marco Hatch:
ecology. When I was a undergrad, our fisheries professor would
Marco Hatch:
say that there's no way that Indigenous people in the
Marco Hatch:
Northwest impacted salmon populations. There wasn't enough
Marco Hatch:
people, and there's so many salmon, there's no way that
Marco Hatch:
people could have impacted that. And that was just what people
Marco Hatch:
accepted, you know, 20+ years ago. And then you start to learn
Marco Hatch:
about things like stone fish traps and fish weirs, and the
Marco Hatch:
technologies existing to harvest every salmon that came up a
Marco Hatch:
stream. If you put a weir up, it's blocking the stream, and
Marco Hatch:
people are making a decision about which fish get to pass and
Marco Hatch:
which ones don't. Even in big rivers like the Columbia all of
Marco Hatch:
those fish are going up to spawn in small tributaries, right?
Marco Hatch:
Like the technology existed to harvest every single fish that
Marco Hatch:
came up the river. That didn't happen, right? These
Marco Hatch:
environmental abundances that were seen didn't happen by
Marco Hatch:
accident. People had intention in their management. In the
Marco Hatch:
terrestrial realm, I think that that's been accepted a bit
Marco Hatch:
earlier, particularly around burning, tending of camas
Marco Hatch:
meadows, Garry oak. In the marine environment, it's been a
Marco Hatch:
bit harder. And one thing I think is really beautiful about
Marco Hatch:
revitalizing clam gardens and sea gardens is they're very
Marco Hatch:
visual, tangible features. These are monumental rock features,
Marco Hatch:
sometimes a kilometer long, that people have built and maintained
Marco Hatch:
for 1000s of years in a space that our ancestors have been
Marco Hatch:
removed from and our contributions have been ignored.
Marco Hatch:
It ties back into what is natural? How do these ecosystems
Marco Hatch:
get to where they are? Clam gardens give us that really
Marco Hatch:
visual like, hit you in the face, you can't deny that these
Marco Hatch:
1000s of pounds of rocks for a kilometer long, stacked up, were
Marco Hatch:
done by accident.
Marco Hatch:
Operating both in traditional knowledge or traditional
Marco Hatch:
ecological knowledge or indigenous knowledge, or
Marco Hatch:
whatever term you want to use for traditional knowledge
Marco Hatch:
systems, and mainstream or Western science has historically
Marco Hatch:
had a lot of tension and difficulties. There's a few
Marco Hatch:
models that we practice that can help provide ways forward, and
Marco Hatch:
one metaphor that's often used is the idea of braiding. So,
Marco Hatch:
braiding traditional ecological knowledge and mainstream science
Marco Hatch:
together. And in the braiding metaphor, each strand maintains
Marco Hatch:
its identity and isn't compromised or compared or held
Marco Hatch:
above or below the other strand. But by combining those knowledge
Marco Hatch:
systems, we can create something stronger than the sum of its
Marco Hatch:
parts.
Nicole Norris:
Traditional science and Western science is
Nicole Norris:
the same. It's just different language that translates it.
Nicole Norris:
Indigenous knowledge is based on generational observation. All of
Nicole Norris:
those teachings come from observing the water, observing
Nicole Norris:
the wind, how it interacts with the land, the water, the trees.
Nicole Norris:
But also observing our relatives of the ocean, our relatives of
Nicole Norris:
the woods and our relatives of the sky. They provide us with
Nicole Norris:
teachings of ways of being. And so the clam doesn't feed just
Nicole Norris:
us. It feeds aquatic loved ones. It feeds the woodland animals
Nicole Norris:
that come onto the beach and harvest. It also feeds certain
Nicole Norris:
birds or relatives of the sky. And so that clam feeds the fish,
Nicole Norris:
it feeds the crabs, it feeds the octopus, it feeds the eagles,
Nicole Norris:
the seagulls, the oyster pickers. What we recognize is
Nicole Norris:
that it's all interconnected, and how valuable that one single
Nicole Norris:
clam is.
Mendel Skulski:
So a big question is, how old is this
Mendel Skulski:
technology of sea gardening, and how do we know?
Nicole Smith:
Well, from the archeological work that we've
Nicole Smith:
been doing on the coast, it would seem that these sea
Nicole Smith:
gardens or clam gardens are at least 4000 years or so. Now, of
Nicole Smith:
course, in archeological terms, dates are always a little bit
Nicole Smith:
fuzzy. It's tricky because these rock walls, they're made of
Nicole Smith:
rock. It's inorganic, and radiocarbon dating needs organic
Nicole Smith:
carbon to establish a date. If you can imagine that these
Nicole Smith:
walls, sometimes they build up over time. Sometimes the
Nicole Smith:
foundation of them are built in a moment. People will get the
Nicole Smith:
rock from different places. Sometimes they'll get it from
Nicole Smith:
land and they'll bring it to the beach. Other times, they'll get
Nicole Smith:
the rock from the beach themselves, and when they get it
Nicole Smith:
from the beach, the rocks can be covered with barnacles. Now, the
Nicole Smith:
barnacles tend to like to live on the top, but if you can
Nicole Smith:
imagine, sometimes those first rocks will go into the wall, and
Nicole Smith:
if they get turned upside down, and those barnacles then go on
Nicole Smith:
to the underside of the rock, they can get trapped in the muck
Nicole Smith:
or the mud — and in the right conditions, preserve. So what we
Nicole Smith:
found is that we could look for those barnacle scars on the
Nicole Smith:
bottom of the rock.
Erich Kelch:
And so they can date those scars!
Nicole Smith:
In a regular beach setting, they will only last on
Nicole Smith:
the surface of a rock for one to two years, we learned from the
Nicole Smith:
barnacle biologists. Because beaches are actually really
Nicole Smith:
clean places, and when a barnacle dies, there's all sorts
Nicole Smith:
of organisms that are going to come to scrape that basal plate
Nicole Smith:
off. Things like bulldozing limpets will come along and
Nicole Smith:
clean the surface of the rock so that then it's available for new
Nicole Smith:
barnacle larva to settle. So when we find a preserved
Nicole Smith:
barnacle scar, that's exciting, and we know that we have a very
Nicole Smith:
tight time range.
Adam Huggins:
And besides preserved barnacle scars,
Adam Huggins:
archeologists have other evidence that these clam gardens
Adam Huggins:
go back for millennia.
Erich Kelch:
They noticed that the rock walls change where
Erich Kelch:
their location was based on tidal height. Where the rocks
Erich Kelch:
were placed were at a different place on the beach depending on
Erich Kelch:
where the ocean was.
Marco Hatch:
So there's two competing factors. There's
Marco Hatch:
isostatic rebound and sea level rise.
Nicole Smith:
Parts of the coast where the glaciers were really
Nicole Smith:
thick and really heavy, you know, really depressed, the land
Nicole Smith:
down. Some of us might remember water beds. If you sit in the
Nicole Smith:
middle of a water bed, you go down in the middle and the sides
Nicole Smith:
go up. Well, that was similar here on the coast, like around
Nicole Smith:
Kitimat and extending down. But then other parts of the coast,
Nicole Smith:
like Haida Gwaii, didn't have as much, and they were on those
Nicole Smith:
edges, so they popped up.
Marco Hatch:
Isostatic rebound was explained to me by my marine
Marco Hatch:
geology professor as every Thanksgiving his uncle Eli,
Marco Hatch:
would come over, who was a rather massive fellow, and would
Marco Hatch:
sit and watch football on the couch. And then when he got up,
Marco Hatch:
the couch would slowly come back to level. Isostatic rebound is
Marco Hatch:
effectively that for when we had a mile of ice over this area,
Marco Hatch:
that ice is melted and the land is slowly coming back up.
Nicole Smith:
And so where it was weighted down starts to come
Nicole Smith:
up. Where it was up starts to go down.
Marco Hatch:
Compared with sea level rise, which is the whole
Marco Hatch:
bathtub is getting higher.
Nicole Smith:
What effectively happens is you have these
Nicole Smith:
changes in sea level positions. But it's really different,
Nicole Smith:
depending on where you are in the coast. You know, some places
Nicole Smith:
it's falling, and other places it's rising.
Marco Hatch:
And so we see more ancient clam gardens that are
Marco Hatch:
now well above the clam zone, and newer ones are built at the
Marco Hatch:
current tide height. In other communities, we see walls that
Marco Hatch:
are meters below sea level today. And so these technologies
Marco Hatch:
have been used for 1000s and 1000s of years to adapt to local
Marco Hatch:
sea level change.
Erin Slade:
You know, in the Southern Gulf Islands, sea
Erin Slade:
levels have been rising for over 11,000 years. When we talk about
Erin Slade:
the relevance of this type of work moving forward, you know,
Erin Slade:
these are spaces that have been adapting to sea level rise for
Erin Slade:
1000s of years.
Nicole Smith:
So I think that's important for everyone to know,
Nicole Smith:
and archeologists to know that, depending on where you are, they
Nicole Smith:
might be really subtle. And we don't want to say that "Oh,
Nicole Smith:
there are none in this area." They just might not be in view.
Nicole Smith:
I mean, there are past shorelines that are now way
Nicole Smith:
underwater, and there are past shorelines that are way high
Nicole Smith:
inland and now covered in forest canopy. So far, our survey has
Nicole Smith:
really been limited to the present intertidal zone, so it's
Nicole Smith:
possible there are older features that we haven't seen,
Nicole Smith:
because we haven't been looking in the right places
Adam Huggins:
There may be hidden gardens below the waves
Adam Huggins:
or behind the trees. And so we can't say for sure how old this
Adam Huggins:
technology really is.
Nicole Norris:
No amount of archeology and carbon dating is
Nicole Norris:
going to be able to prove it, unfortunately. They can say
Nicole Norris:
that, yeah, we've been here for a really long time, and they can
Nicole Norris:
investigate some of the shells and the spaces and theorize how
Nicole Norris:
we used to cook.
Mendel Skulski:
Because these rocks have probably been on the
Mendel Skulski:
wall longer than just their latest millennia old barnacle
Mendel Skulski:
scars.
Nicole Smith:
Oh, totally, that's definitely true, and
Nicole Smith:
that's one thing that we think that they're dismantling and
Nicole Smith:
rebuilding as sea level is rising.
Carl Olsen:
We're the salt water people. We traveled by canoe and
Carl Olsen:
we camped here. We had a food base when we're heading down to
Carl Olsen:
visit our relatives in Lummi, and we'd camp in the San Juan
Carl Olsen:
Islands, do the same thing. We never really had to carry food
Carl Olsen:
with us because the food base was feeding us on our way.
Carl Olsen:
That's the way it should be. You know, when you have like, 4
Carl Olsen:
million people in Canada that are food insecure, and we have
Carl Olsen:
beaches that we could maintain and keep healthy. You know,
Carl Olsen:
having this is food security, and we gotta bring it back.
Hannah Morris:
Yes, we live on an island. There's beach
Hannah Morris:
everywhere. Unfortunately, there aren't clam gardens everywhere
Hannah Morris:
the way that there used to be, but there is beach everywhere we
Hannah Morris:
live on Vancouver Island. And with that, I find it easier to
Hannah Morris:
explain to community what's outside of our back door, and
Hannah Morris:
what would be there without colonization.
Erich Kelch:
It's constantly shocking to me that we have this
Erich Kelch:
intertidal resource that's so bountiful, that's so healthy for
Erich Kelch:
us, that's so like, you know, free in a way, with rising food
Erich Kelch:
prices, and we don't take care of it. We don't take care of it
Erich Kelch:
properly. You know, there's closure maps everywhere, and you
Erich Kelch:
can't harvest and why aren't we treating this like a resource
Erich Kelch:
that we could all benefit from? To have, like a food that can be
Erich Kelch:
that can be processed, that can be dried, that can be traded,
Erich Kelch:
that is always going to be productive if you take care of
Erich Kelch:
it. You know, the teaching that if you take care of these
Erich Kelch:
places, they will take care of you, I think, speaks volumes.
Marco Hatch:
We've seen some communities reactivate clam
Marco Hatch:
gardening after experiencing food scarcity and shortages
Marco Hatch:
through COVID 19. And so for a lot of remote communities
Marco Hatch:
external food is barged in, and if that barge doesn't show up
Marco Hatch:
that's a real concern. Those communities have taken conscious
Marco Hatch:
effort to revitalize traditional food systems and clam gardens
Marco Hatch:
being a part of that, of ensuring that there's that
Marco Hatch:
resilience within the community in case external food doesn't
Marco Hatch:
show up. That they have the knowledge, the technologies, the
Marco Hatch:
gatherers, the processors within their community, that they know
Marco Hatch:
where to go and how to get to work.
Mendel Skulski:
Unfortunately, the question of where to go is
Mendel Skulski:
sometimes complicated by a second question...
Adam Huggins:
Are the clams even safe to eat?
Marco Hatch:
I think it's important when you're managing
Marco Hatch:
closures for seafood safety or human health concerns to think
Marco Hatch:
about how are people actually consuming those. Knowing how
Marco Hatch:
things are prepared, what parts are discarded, changes an
Marco Hatch:
individual's exposure level. So butter clams is a large clam
Marco Hatch:
that in this area people dried and traded. And depending on the
Marco Hatch:
community, there are different ways of processing the clam. A
Marco Hatch:
lot of communities will take the black tip off the siphon. So the
Marco Hatch:
siphon is where the clam brings water in and ejects water.
Marco Hatch:
Butter clams have a black tip of that siphon. A lot of
Marco Hatch:
communities cut that off and discard it, citing that that's
Marco Hatch:
where the toxins are stored.
Mendel Skulski:
So-called Red Tide is caused by population
Mendel Skulski:
booms of a naturally occurring microorganism, a dinoflagellate
Mendel Skulski:
called Alexandrium,
Adam Huggins:
which produces saxitoxin, a potentially lethal
Adam Huggins:
neurotoxin.
Marco Hatch:
It's existed forever, but in recent years,
Marco Hatch:
both the frequency, how often we get these red tide blooms, and
Marco Hatch:
the duration and the window of opportunity have all increased,
Marco Hatch:
and so it's happening more often and with stronger red tides now
Marco Hatch:
compared to 500 years ago. But we were curious, looking at a
Marco Hatch:
butter clam, can we measure the amount of toxin in each body
Marco Hatch:
part? And we found that both the siphon tip and the siphon
Marco Hatch:
disproportionately held more saxitoxin. Now, this isn't to
Marco Hatch:
say, you know, if there's a red tide closure, go out there and
Marco Hatch:
chop the neck off a clam, siphon off a clam, and you're safe. But
Marco Hatch:
it does show that those parts of the body have a higher
Marco Hatch:
concentration of Saxitoxin compared to other areas. And so
Marco Hatch:
that's where we're trying to operate, of not testing
Marco Hatch:
traditional ecological knowledge, but trying to see, is
Marco Hatch:
there ways we can quantify it as it relates to how we open and
Marco Hatch:
close clams. And certain communities have actually been
Marco Hatch:
able to do that, where, working with government agencies, when
Marco Hatch:
they go into test butter clams, they'll test the whole clam, and
Marco Hatch:
they'll test the clam without the siphon. And so there'll be
Marco Hatch:
certain times of the year where clams are deemed safe to eat if
Marco Hatch:
you discard the siphon. And that's an example of
Marco Hatch:
incorporating that traditional ecological knowledge into the
Marco Hatch:
way that we measure and manage traditional food as it relates
Marco Hatch:
to seafood safety.
Adam Huggins:
So you might be wondering, when the clams aren't
Adam Huggins:
safe to eat, is it still worthwhile to work in the
Adam Huggins:
garden?
Nicole Norris:
Even though we're not digging clams and having a
Nicole Norris:
clam bake on the beach, there's so much more that comes from it.
Nicole Smith:
These are places that need to be cared for on an
Nicole Smith:
ongoing basis. You need to tend the beaches. You need to care
Nicole Smith:
for the rock wall, and, as shared, these are places that
Nicole Smith:
you care for like you might a family member.
Nicole Norris:
It's not rocket science. This is simply how it's
Nicole Norris:
done — to really humanize our aquatic loved ones. When I talk
Nicole Norris:
about that point of view from a clam, I talk about noise
Nicole Norris:
pollution, I talk about our loved ones in the in the woods,
Nicole Norris:
in the sky, right?
Nicole Smith:
And so it's this wonderful way of seeing people
Nicole Smith:
in relationship with the environment around them as
Nicole Smith:
equals, as opposed to being separate from.
Mendel Skulski:
So you mentioned the nuancing of clam gardens to
Mendel Skulski:
sea gardens to open up this more general space for different
Mendel Skulski:
creatures. I'm curious about the garden part of the name.
Nicole Smith:
I think the really important part of garden is that
Nicole Smith:
it's really speaking to tending and caring for places. One of
Nicole Smith:
the dominant narratives was that First Nations, communities up
Nicole Smith:
and down this coast are hunter gatherer populations. And in the
Nicole Smith:
textbooks, you would see how they would be described as
Nicole Smith:
living in very bountiful environments where the resources
Nicole Smith:
essentially swim to them, instead of understanding the
Nicole Smith:
agency and the care and the engineering that has gone into
Nicole Smith:
shaping these landscapes.
Erich Kelch:
We used to think people mean they're degrading
Erich Kelch:
the environment, and so we need to take people out of the
Erich Kelch:
environment to protect it. That's what we... that's what
Erich Kelch:
the Western kind of world used to think about conservation, and
Erich Kelch:
now we're learning — hopefully, we're learning... at least, I'm
Erich Kelch:
learning — that places need people, and these ecosystems
Erich Kelch:
weren't created by accident, and people were involved in making
Erich Kelch:
them bountiful. And so by people being here and tending a sea
Erich Kelch:
garden in all sorts of ways. It actually increases the
Erich Kelch:
biodiversity of a place. Like, what a concept. And so people
Erich Kelch:
being here is what they need to thrive. And we see places where
Erich Kelch:
it's not thriving, it's kind of dead. There's a lot of empty
Erich Kelch:
shells. There's not many clams because it hasn't been dug up.
Adam Huggins:
When we come back, a lesson in gardening... after
Adam Huggins:
the break.
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Mendel Skulski:
Where we left off, Erich was reminding us that
Mendel Skulski:
these spaces need to be nurtured — for their own sake, and so
Mendel Skulski:
that they can nurture us in return.
Carl Olsen:
What happens when a clam garden bed is not really
Carl Olsen:
maintained, and it hasn't been for years and years, the build
Carl Olsen:
up of the amount of clams in this bed gets so great that they
Carl Olsen:
just start dying off. And that's what you're seeing.
Marco Hatch:
Traditional teachings around if you don't
Marco Hatch:
tend to beach, it dies. If you don't dig a certain way, and you
Marco Hatch:
don't put your sediment down a certain way, you don't harvest a
Marco Hatch:
certain way, it'll harm the beach.
Nicole Norris:
If you're hand tilling the beach, you want to
Nicole Norris:
turn over the substrate so that it aerates, so that water can
Nicole Norris:
filter through, and all of the years of silt can wash away.
Marco Hatch:
In an anoxic or hypoxic, no to low oxygen areas
Marco Hatch:
of the sediment, aerobic respiration doesn't happen —
Marco Hatch:
respiration using oxygen like we do. So you have anaerobic
Marco Hatch:
respiration, which is typically done by sulfate reducing
Marco Hatch:
bacteria, which produce hydrogen sulfide as a byproduct, which is
Marco Hatch:
both toxic to juvenile clams and gives that rotten egg smell. And
Marco Hatch:
so if we don't tend to beach, you get a lot of fine grain
Marco Hatch:
sediment, which tends to be organic, which tends to reduce
Marco Hatch:
oxygen, which sets up those conditions for hydrogen sulfide.
Marco Hatch:
So by tilling it, we're physically turning the sediment
Marco Hatch:
over. Or the way that we dig clams and leave the sediment
Marco Hatch:
out, gives that opportunity for the fine grain sediments to wash
Marco Hatch:
away.
Carl Olsen:
It's like cultivating a garden. You
Carl Olsen:
cultivate it here too. You turn it over so it keeps the ground
Carl Olsen:
loose, and you know, at low tide, the air gets into it.
Carl Olsen:
These rock walls kind of break down just because of the waves
Carl Olsen:
from the boat or the movement of the tide. You got to keep
Carl Olsen:
maintaining them. We clean off the seaweed here. One of the
Carl Olsen:
elders explained that some of the seaweed best to get it taken
Carl Olsen:
off, because it's like having a piece of plastic over.
Hannah Morris:
When we're doing restoration work, that seaweed
Hannah Morris:
gets scraped off and brought up to the bushes back here for a
Hannah Morris:
little bit of fertilization, as well as to help keep the clams
Hannah Morris:
breathing. They, like us, need oxygen to breathe.
Nicole Norris:
We use potato rakes to hand till the
Nicole Norris:
substrate. That process needs to be so mindful, because that's
Nicole Norris:
somebody's home. My Uncle George Harris always talks about
Nicole Norris:
getting your mind right. So when you're there for a helpful
Nicole Norris:
purpose, your intention is to help. We're helping the
Nicole Norris:
ancestors finish their work, because they're not here to do
Nicole Norris:
it anymore, and so you got to be careful. La'lum'uthut is what
Nicole Norris:
they call that — be really careful.
Hannah Morris:
There are some people I've come down seeing
Hannah Morris:
walking along the wall, where it's... you just don't know. You
Hannah Morris:
don't know what you don't know. So sharing the you know, we stay
Hannah Morris:
off the wall. We treat it with respect. We treat the beach how
Hannah Morris:
we would want to be treated.
Nicole Norris:
Culturally, there are certain times in the year
Nicole Norris:
that we're not supposed to walk on the beach, and maybe to share
Nicole Norris:
that information, so that people are more mindful when they go
Nicole Norris:
into these places. At the time when the herring spawn, you
Nicole Norris:
know, when the waters are just a little bit warmer, when the
Nicole Norris:
clams spawn, or the sea urchin and the oysters, when they're
Nicole Norris:
doing their thing. You know, that's the time when you stay
Nicole Norris:
off the beach.
Carl Olsen:
My grandparents always used to say, watch the
Carl Olsen:
birds when you go down, like seagulls or crows, we'll bring
Carl Olsen:
the clam up and drop it on the rocks to break it open and eat
Carl Olsen:
it. If they're doing that, they said, the clams are good to eat.
Carl Olsen:
And they say, watch the birds. If they stop eating the clams,
Carl Olsen:
then you stop eating the clams, they'll tell you, everything is
Carl Olsen:
connected. There's a connection to everything, because
Carl Olsen:
everything has a life, and when you use it to feed yourself, you
Carl Olsen:
give thanks for it to the Creator. If you take care of
Carl Olsen:
everything, it's going to take care of you.
Mendel Skulski:
If you're looking for a mnemonic, just
Mendel Skulski:
remember WATCH.
Erich Kelch:
We All Take Care of the Harvest. Yes, yes. I love
Erich Kelch:
that acronym as well. You know, how are we being there and
Erich Kelch:
taking care of it? And that's, that's what these places need.
Erich Kelch:
You know they need people. Makes them happy.
Mendel Skulski:
Could you tell me a little bit about the
Mendel Skulski:
balance between tending and harvesting and the sort of the
Mendel Skulski:
practice of gardening in these spaces? What does that look like
Mendel Skulski:
for communities through time?
Nicole Smith:
It's not like you build a wall and leave it. That
Nicole Smith:
might be what some of us do in our yards, or in our cities or
Nicole Smith:
towns. These are places that need to be cared for on an
Nicole Smith:
ongoing basis.
Marco Hatch:
And what I really appreciate about it is it's not
Marco Hatch:
looking for a short term solution, meaning we went out
Marco Hatch:
and restored the beach, and next year we expect 10 times more
Marco Hatch:
clams. It's a long term investment. People are doing it,
Marco Hatch:
not because they might see direct benefit, but that their
Marco Hatch:
children and grandchildren will be re-engaged out there, will be
Marco Hatch:
part of the ecosystem, will be on the beach harvesting healthy,
Marco Hatch:
abundant clams. If we think about clam gardens that we've
Marco Hatch:
dated that are 3+ thousand years old, that's 3000 years of
Marco Hatch:
continuous tending with a small pause recently. That's a big
Marco Hatch:
commitment. That's a different commitment than I'm going to go
Marco Hatch:
out and remove invasive plants for a couple weekends a year or
Marco Hatch:
I'm going to go out and plant some native trees. That is a
Marco Hatch:
long term, multi-generational commitment that has to be
Marco Hatch:
weighed and taken seriously. You know, start with one, invest our
Marco Hatch:
time, build those relationships, improve that beach and see what
Marco Hatch:
comes.
Erin Slade:
You know, this work takes a lot of hands and a lot
Erin Slade:
of hours, and so we have a pretty enormous volunteer list
Erin Slade:
at this point. So we have lots of extra hands, but this is work
Erin Slade:
that's led by the Nations, and it's important that people from
Erin Slade:
community are here leading that work. And so it's just a matter
Erin Slade:
of getting enough people, being organized enough in advance, and
Erin Slade:
people having enough space and time spread across the few days
Erin Slade:
that we have to actually do the work, because these low tides
Erin Slade:
are fleeting.
Adam Huggins:
The work that Erin is referring to are beach days,
Adam Huggins:
but not the kind that you or I might have grown up with. These
Adam Huggins:
beach days are all-ages community gardening and teaching
Adam Huggins:
events, organized under the auspices of the Sea Gardens
Adam Huggins:
Project.
Mendel Skulski:
What is the Sea Gardens Project?
Erich Kelch:
The Sea Gardens Project is a collaborative
Erich Kelch:
effort between Parks Canada and guided by W̱SÁNEĆ and Cowichan
Erich Kelch:
nations to restore the beaches of which we're standing at one
Erich Kelch:
right now, to provide food for Indigenous peoples into the
Erich Kelch:
future forever, to restore the sea gardens provide food and
Erich Kelch:
then to make sure that they're tended as they once were for
Erich Kelch:
millennia into the future by First Nations.
Carl Olsen:
We're between Sidney and Salt Spring Island, on a
Carl Olsen:
little island called Russell Island.
Erich Kelch:
These gardens that we're looking at here haven't
Erich Kelch:
been tended for maybe, maybe 100 years or so. They were not
Erich Kelch:
tended until this project kind of restarted about eight years
Erich Kelch:
ago. And so what we don't really know is, what is the effort
Erich Kelch:
required to restore a sea garden that hasn't been tended? That's
Erich Kelch:
kind of a new question, I guess. And so by having two sides of
Erich Kelch:
the beach, we have a side here that we actively manage and
Erich Kelch:
actively tend and restore, and then we have a side here to our
Erich Kelch:
right that we don't do anything with. And so we're curious, you
Erich Kelch:
know, what is the difference? And it's tricky, because we
Erich Kelch:
never want to be in a place where we're having to prove
Erich Kelch:
Indigenous science. Indigenous science is is knowledge on its
Erich Kelch:
own. And we don't want to be testing that or trying to prove
Erich Kelch:
that.
Nicole Norris:
It's just something that we know, but we
Nicole Norris:
have to prove it all the time.
Erich Kelch:
There's like, maybe another way to speak to a
Erich Kelch:
different kind of language, I guess, like, we can use other
Erich Kelch:
methods to share that story also.
Nicole Norris:
The pathway that has been created between the
Nicole Norris:
Hul'q'umi'num, the SENĆOŦEN, and Parks Canada has really become a
Nicole Norris:
worldwide demonstration of a better way of being together,
Nicole Norris:
about marrying indigenous knowledge with Western science.
Erin Slade:
My title is a restoration officer. I lead a
Erin Slade:
lot of the ecological monitoring that we do, and so as we conduct
Erin Slade:
this restoration work that's guided by community, we're also
Erin Slade:
monitoring how that work is impacting the ecosystems, and
Erin Slade:
particularly the bivalve — the clam species. The clam
Erin Slade:
communities and all of the seaweeds and invertebrates along
Erin Slade:
the walls, we monitor how those are changing over time. We've
Erin Slade:
also, over the years, been trying to monitor how the
Erin Slade:
geomorphology, how the topography of the beach, is
Erin Slade:
changing over time, because we do expect to see that the beach
Erin Slade:
will slowly shift in slope over time.
Hannah Morris:
From this rock this way, I believe it's what's
Hannah Morris:
being restored with Parks. And from down that way, down that
Hannah Morris:
side of the beach is not being restored.
Mendel Skulski:
So this is like the dividing line between the
Mendel Skulski:
restoration project and the and the control.
Hannah Morris:
Yeah.
Erin Slade:
The design of the project was put together with
Erin Slade:
community members and people were okay with starting things
Erin Slade:
off as an experiment. And part of that is because, you know, we
Erin Slade:
do live, currently still live in a society where a lot of the
Erin Slade:
most respected knowledge that is used by government to guide
Erin Slade:
decision making comes from the scientific community. And so in
Erin Slade:
order to speak that language, doing an experiment supports us
Erin Slade:
being able to kind of provide that type of knowledge, to
Erin Slade:
provide evidence towards this work being important and
Erin Slade:
impactful and effective.
Nicole Norris:
We have to be able to prove to Western science
Nicole Norris:
that our methods also work. We know that they work because that
Nicole Norris:
clam garden is 4000 years old, and that is the way it's always
Nicole Norris:
been done. Without scientific research and the data and the
Nicole Norris:
hypothesis behind it — you know, the language that translates
Nicole Norris:
that — how are we to get somebody who isn't so
Nicole Norris:
culturally, emotionally and generationally tied to that
Nicole Norris:
space? How are we to get them to see it as important, or to see
Nicole Norris:
the reasons why we need to do certain things? Like, have more
Nicole Norris:
restoration days, or put more money into the program so that
Nicole Norris:
we can even get there. That data is going to support the
Nicole Norris:
underlying reasons as to why we want to do that, which is, it's
Nicole Norris:
a food source. We need to cultivate it, and we need to
Nicole Norris:
nourish it. And here's the reasons why.
Erin Slade:
But... it's challenging because, you know,
Erin Slade:
people come here and spend a lot of time observing and working in
Erin Slade:
these spaces, and care a lot about them, and having to only
Erin Slade:
work on one half of the beach, only tend one half of the beach,
Erin Slade:
that doesn't sit well with people.
Nicole Norris:
You know, it's like having a hamper full of
Nicole Norris:
dirty laundry and you only wash half of it. We have a cultural
Nicole Norris:
obligation to take care of these spaces, because it's what takes
Nicole Norris:
care of us. That's really what it comes down to.
Erin Slade:
The timelines for seeing the impacts ecologically
Erin Slade:
are not short, and they're also not entirely clear. But we know,
Erin Slade:
you know, like the life cycle of clams, it takes a while to start
Erin Slade:
seeing the response in the clams, and then to start seeing
Erin Slade:
that in the juvenile population.
Erich Kelch:
I didn't know this until just this past year, but
Erich Kelch:
clams have these kind of, what are they called, like sporadic
Erich Kelch:
seeding events, where they seed in large numbers, and those
Erich Kelch:
happen every like three or five or seven year marks.
Erin Slade:
And what we expect to see is kind of with the
Erin Slade:
settlement of juveniles coming from a stronger adult
Erin Slade:
population, we start to see a new crop of adults, and that can
Erin Slade:
take many years.
Nicole Norris:
We are seeing a comeback of some of the biomass,
Nicole Norris:
which is fantastic. We're seeing other aquatic plants starting to
Nicole Norris:
grow, vegetation starting to grow there, which is fantastic.
Nicole Norris:
But I said to them just last summer, I'm done with this test.
Nicole Norris:
Okay, I want the whole beach. And I was getting pretty
Nicole Norris:
forthright. They were like, Oh well, the test, this, that. And
Nicole Norris:
I pushed back. And I said, Listen, I want the whole beach.
Nicole Norris:
I want to turn over the whole beach. I want to measure it. I
Nicole Norris:
want to section it off. I want to start seeding. We only have
Nicole Norris:
this many years left. And I said, you know, stop
Nicole Norris:
pussyfooting around. We need to get this work done. And I said
Nicole Norris:
to my colleagues at Parks Canada, I feel like I'm wasting
Nicole Norris:
my time. This is lip service. Either we're going to do it or
Nicole Norris:
we're not. Some of these spaces we've been working at for a
Nicole Norris:
decade. We've been turning them over for a decade. So the site
Nicole Norris:
beside us, that's the controlled site, is going to take the same
Nicole Norris:
amount of effort when we should have been doing the whole thing
Nicole Norris:
all along.
Erin Slade:
Well, I think that's, you know, it's one of
Erin Slade:
the challenges in working in ecology is, you know, like
Erin Slade:
having the humility to recognize that you can't... these systems
Erin Slade:
are not entirely unknowable, but they are not entirely knowable.
Erin Slade:
This isn't like a lab experiment. When you work with
Erin Slade:
ecology, you're working with complex ecosystems that interact
Erin Slade:
with each other. And you can never have, well, not never, but
Erin Slade:
in most circumstances, you're not going to be able to control
Erin Slade:
all of the factors in order to be able to sort of distill
Erin Slade:
things down into one particular mechanism or function or
Erin Slade:
species. It bleeds into the Indigenous way of knowing that
Erin Slade:
we respect that these spaces cannot be entirely known, but
Erin Slade:
what we can do is spend time in them and build relationships
Erin Slade:
with them and find ways to care for them that follow what we do
Erin Slade:
know. And in doing so, having less rigidity and more
Erin Slade:
adaptability is just generally the way things are done.
Nicole Norris:
The other thing that this has demonstrated is
Nicole Norris:
this is an act of reconciliation on behalf of a federal agency.
Nicole Norris:
Parks Canada and their humble friendship making with the
Nicole Norris:
Hul'q'umi'num' and the SENĆOŦEN is really an act of
Nicole Norris:
reconciliation. Our original relationship was with the land.
Nicole Norris:
It wasn't with government. And they have provided us an
Nicole Norris:
opportunity to regain access, and even though some of these
Nicole Norris:
places are more than likely deemed as a heritage site,
Nicole Norris:
they've allowed us to operate them as active management sites
Nicole Norris:
— recognizing that this is going to revive a food source and
Nicole Norris:
create food security and food sovereignty for nations along
Nicole Norris:
the coast, and this really falls in line with the right to self
Nicole Norris:
determination.
Mendel Skulski:
And beyond the interface between the
Mendel Skulski:
Hul'q'umi'num', the SENĆOŦEN and Parks Canada, sea gardens are
Mendel Skulski:
now truly a place of international relations.
Nicole Norris:
One of the greater things about some of
Nicole Norris:
this work is we've gone through a process with our sister
Nicole Norris:
nations about knowledge repatriation.
Marco Hatch:
The Pacific Sea Garden Collective is this really
Marco Hatch:
amazing network of Indigenous people and allies that work
Marco Hatch:
closely with them from all around the Pacific, from
Marco Hatch:
Washington State, coastal BC, southeast Alaska, Hawaii, Guam
Marco Hatch:
and Palau that get together every year or two and share our
Marco Hatch:
ancestral technologies and restoration work that we're
Marco Hatch:
doing, and through this network, we're learning from each other,
Marco Hatch:
but also understanding that we're experiencing a lot of the
Marco Hatch:
same struggles and issues. As a clam gardener going to Hawaii in
Marco Hatch:
2020 and seeing the fish pond restoration, it really opened
Marco Hatch:
our eyes to what could be possible.
Erin Slade:
More recently, lots of nations have started their
Erin Slade:
own initiatives to restore and rebuild, or build new clam
Erin Slade:
gardens or sea gardens up and down the coast.
Nicole Smith:
Many of us share this hope and goal that there
Nicole Smith:
will be communities who are digging in their clamming
Nicole Smith:
beaches and restoring their clam garden walls, or building new
Nicole Smith:
clam garden walls. I mean, we're seeing that already, and it
Nicole Smith:
really is connecting people with tradition. It is addressing
Nicole Smith:
issues of food security, issues of climate change. You know, I
Nicole Smith:
just, I feel really hopeful for what sea gardens can offer and
Nicole Smith:
help us with as we go forward.
Nicole Norris:
Swinomish came to spend a lot of time with us, and
Nicole Norris:
they built the first modern day sea garden. The Swinomish are my
Nicole Norris:
immediate relatives, and I'm so exceptionally proud of them.
Nicole Norris:
What really opened my eyes was the amount of permits that they
Nicole Norris:
needed, the amount of other entities that needed to say yes.
Hannah Morris:
They built their own wall about a year ago and
Hannah Morris:
had to jump through many, many hoops due to the government and
Hannah Morris:
whatever else they had to go through to put rocks on their
Hannah Morris:
own land. And it was a week of being Indigenous together, not
Hannah Morris:
just Coast Salish people, they're all indigenous people
Hannah Morris:
just by being together in an Indigenous collaborative with
Hannah Morris:
no, I don't know, what would you say... maybe hidden agenda that
Hannah Morris:
the federal government had when they came to Indigenous lands
Hannah Morris:
sparked enough inspiration and drive for everyone to get back
Hannah Morris:
onto their own lands to take care of it in the way that they
Hannah Morris:
know how — whatever that looks like. Whether that be lunch on
Hannah Morris:
the beach and just spending time or getting your hands dirty in
Hannah Morris:
the water, moving rock. I really, really try my best
Hannah Morris:
anytime I come out here, not only to just bring myself, but
Hannah Morris:
to bring someone from my community, in a younger
Hannah Morris:
generation, to show them that it's okay and it's probably the
Hannah Morris:
right thing to do to reconcile and work together with Parks
Hannah Morris:
Canada and the federal government in order to restore
Hannah Morris:
our practices and work together as one to take care of the land
Hannah Morris:
that we're all here on now. Whether we like it or not, it's
Hannah Morris:
this is our reality... and it's a good one, it could be a good
Hannah Morris:
one if we make it.
Mendel Skulski:
Marco shared a story from a time he was
Mendel Skulski:
visiting Bella Bella, Heiltsuk territory, where there are clam
Mendel Skulski:
gardens that have been continuously tended until much
Mendel Skulski:
more recently than the site at Russell Island. He and his local
Mendel Skulski:
guides were traveling by boat.
Marco Hatch:
And it was getting later in the day, and the tide
Marco Hatch:
was up pretty high, and off to our right, I saw a small, little
Marco Hatch:
rock wall on this bedrock feature. So just hard bedrock,
Marco Hatch:
and a little rock wall, and then white, broken shell hash behind
Marco Hatch:
it. So I was like, "hey, just drop me off here." I grabbed all
Marco Hatch:
my survey equipment, and it's not high tide, but it's above
Marco Hatch:
low tide, so clam gardens are well underwater. And the butter
Marco Hatch:
clam zone, now the tides above the butter clam zone, so I
Marco Hatch:
wouldn't expect to see butter clams there. And I was looking
Marco Hatch:
around just broken, dead shells everywhere, butter clams and
Marco Hatch:
some horse clams, and all these different species. I was like,
Marco Hatch:
wow, this is really amazing. And I reached down and just filled,
Marco Hatch:
just both my hands scoop up a big chunk of the sediment, which
Marco Hatch:
is all just white, chalky, broken shell, and it was full of
Marco Hatch:
butter clams. I've never seen that many butter clams.
Marco Hatch:
Normally, a butter clam is, A) lower on the beach, but also
Marco Hatch:
lower in the sediment, where you'd have to dig down a good
Marco Hatch:
six centimeters or 10 centimeters before you get to
Marco Hatch:
the butter clams. Here it was a layer of clams, and below that
Marco Hatch:
layer was another layer of clams, and below that layer was
Marco Hatch:
another layer of clams, and it was just chockablock full of
Marco Hatch:
clams. And so here, just this highest density to this day, of
Marco Hatch:
clams I've ever seen in this little feature that's too high
Marco Hatch:
based on the textbooks for clams to live in. Now they're not just
Marco Hatch:
living there, but they're thriving in this immense
Marco Hatch:
density. And so I was just blown away. I was doing all my
Marco Hatch:
measurements just with my head, like, literally in the sand,
Marco Hatch:
like, freaking out about all these clams. And I start to
Marco Hatch:
think, "oh, man, I wonder... I wonder if they're gonna come
Marco Hatch:
back and get me." They were out of sight around the corner. I
Marco Hatch:
couldn't hear the boat or anything, so I'm looking around
Marco Hatch:
the corner, and I see off in the distance, like, well, there's a
Marco Hatch:
stone fish trap over there. And I'm stuck on this bedrock
Marco Hatch:
outcropping, and I walk to the other side, and I see an abalone
Marco Hatch:
shell. And you can look down in the water, and it's a steep
Marco Hatch:
cliff of bedrock in crystal clear water, with fish and kelp
Marco Hatch:
and abalone habitat all around in the same area as well, and
Marco Hatch:
you can look up and see the fruits and berries that the
Marco Hatch:
uplands been managed as well. And it was that point that kind
Marco Hatch:
of hit me, that I've spent a lot of my time with my head in the
Marco Hatch:
sand just looking at clams within clam gardens. But if you
Marco Hatch:
move your head up and look around, you start to see that
Marco Hatch:
this is one very important piece, but one piece of the
Marco Hatch:
puzzle, one piece of the traditional food system of
Marco Hatch:
mountain top to sea floor bottom.
Carl Olsen:
Our ancestors had this figured out, and I am
Carl Olsen:
thankful for my ancestors. And that's why I got to be passing
Carl Olsen:
it on to my grandkids and to my kids, so that they know the
Carl Olsen:
history of this place. They know the stories of this place. They
Carl Olsen:
know why we maintain these clam garden beds, and why these rock
Carl Olsen:
walls were built and were known as clam gardens. The more that
Carl Olsen:
you talk about it with anyone, the more people will understand
Carl Olsen:
first nations and how they survived. And I think it's
Carl Olsen:
really important.
Nicole Norris:
And really what it is, is it's about trying to
Nicole Norris:
prepare a table for our great, greats that are yet to come.
Carl Olsen:
I have a little great, great grand neice that's
Carl Olsen:
been out here already, learning about what's in the water there.
Carl Olsen:
And it sticks with them. You know, even at that age, you
Carl Olsen:
know, they'll learn more as they grow older, but they need to be
Carl Olsen:
here.
Nicole Norris:
One of the things that I say when we have new
Nicole Norris:
visitors is, if you listen carefully on those paths, you
Nicole Norris:
can still hear the songs of the people that were there before
Nicole Norris:
us. That Stutson's words still vibrate among those leaves, and
Nicole Norris:
eventually my words will vibrate there for my descendants.
Mendel Skulski:
As sea levels rise, our window to rediscover
Mendel Skulski:
many long since tended gardens is closing. So at low tide, keep
Mendel Skulski:
your eyes peeled,
Adam Huggins:
and if you spot one, or if your community would
Adam Huggins:
like some guidance on how to revive or build a new one, get
Adam Huggins:
in touch with the Clam Garden Network at clamgarden.com
Mendel Skulski:
To learn more about the many other types of
Mendel Skulski:
sea gardens in the Pacific Sea Garden Collective, visit
Mendel Skulski:
seagardens.net
Mendel Skulski:
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Mendel Skulski:
This episode was produced by me, Mendel Skulski,
Mendel Skulski:
with help from Adam Huggins and Eden Zinchik,
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Featuring the voices of Hannah Morris, Carl
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Olsen, Erin Slade, Nicole Smith, Marco Hatch, Erich Kelch and
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Nicole Norris,
Mendel Skulski:
with music by Jonathan Kawchuk, Daniel Lapp,
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Thumbug, Adi Gortler, Gamelan Bike Bike, and Sunfish Moon Light
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And of course, cover art by Alé Silva.
Mendel Skulski:
Special thanks to Sky Augustine, Erich Kelch
Mendel Skulski:
Courtney Greiner, Miranda Post, Jenifer Iredale and to everyone
Mendel Skulski:
out there bringing Sea Gardens to life.
Mendel Skulski:
Okay, that's it for this one. See you at the beach.