Bogs are our absolute favourite places to be. They’re not only tremendously important ecosystems, rich in exquisite biodiversity and massive stores of carbon, they’re also uniquely beautiful. These serene, colourful spaces jumble land and water into something at once both alien and familiar.
In this episode, we explore the wonders and the mysteries of peatlands, through the story of one very special (and threatened) bog just outside of the city of Vancouver. We meet the scientists who fought for its protection, and some of the folks who are studying it and working on restoring it to this day.
Plus, we answer a tricky question: should we still be extracting peat to help grow plants?
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Introduction Voiceover:Future Ecologies.
Mendel Skulski:Test, test one, two, Bumblebee, tuna, rabble,
Mendel Skulski:rabble, rhubarb, rhubarb, good to see ya. Okay, hi everybody! I
Mendel Skulski:am Mendel.
Adam Huggins:and I'm Adam
Mendel Skulski:and today we're joined in the studio by... a red
Mendel Skulski:legged frog!
Mendel Skulski:...potentially more than one red legged frog.
Adam Huggins:a chorus of randy red legged frogs, recorded with
Adam Huggins:a hydrophone during their breeding season in February — in
Adam Huggins:a half frozen wetland that I helped to restore a couple of
Adam Huggins:years back.
Mendel Skulski:Recorded with a hydrophone, because this species
Mendel Skulski:only vocalizes underwater.
Adam Huggins:Yeah, otherwise, they are pretty darn quiet.
Mendel Skulski:They're adorable!
Adam Huggins:And they make this sound all night long, like up to
Adam Huggins:14 hours, pretty chatty for a creature few people ever get to
Adam Huggins:hear
Mendel Skulski:Yeah, for reasons, not just that so few of
Mendel Skulski:us are underwater in February, but because the red legged frog
Mendel Skulski:has been in steep decline for many years, due largely to the
Mendel Skulski:loss of wetlands throughout their range.
Adam Huggins:Which is one of the reasons why Mendel, you and
Adam Huggins:I share a hobby in addition to making this show.
Mendel Skulski:Yeah.
Adam Huggins:Which is that we both work to restore wetlands.
Mendel Skulski:Well, that's charitable. You work to restore
Mendel Skulski:wetlands. I dabble in restoring wetland. That is, one little
Mendel Skulski:urban wetland in my neighborhood in Vancouver.
Adam Huggins:Yeah, it's a cute wetland, though.
Mendel Skulski:I love it.
Adam Huggins:And to do that, we have both had the opportunity to
Adam Huggins:work with the same remarkable woman.
Robin Annschild:What are we going to talk about?
Adam Huggins:Well, the very first thing to do is to
Adam Huggins:introduce yourself. Who are you?
Robin Annschild:My name is Robin Ann's child, and I design
Robin Annschild:and build wetland and stream restoration projects.
Mendel Skulski:On any given day, you're likely to encounter
Mendel Skulski:Robin up to her ankles in mud, sporting a hardhat and a
Mendel Skulski:high-viz vest, orchestrating the actions of up to a half dozen
Mendel Skulski:heavy machine operators — all working together to answer one
Mendel Skulski:important question.
Robin Annschild:what is it that we need to do in that watershed
Robin Annschild:to restore a healthy relationship between the soil
Robin Annschild:and the water?
Adam Huggins:And the reason that this question is so
Adam Huggins:important is that we humans, of the colonial variety, have
Adam Huggins:seriously disrupted that relationship basically
Adam Huggins:everywhere that we have settled. Across North America, over 50%
Adam Huggins:of all wetlands have been lost since the 1700s and that loss
Adam Huggins:has actually accelerated in recent years, despite no net
Adam Huggins:loss policies and mitigation efforts. It's even worse in some
Adam Huggins:areas, like where I'm from, in California, where over 90% of
Adam Huggins:wetlands have been lost. In British Columbia, that number is
Adam Huggins:closer to 70%
Mendel Skulski:And when you say lost, you mean...
Adam Huggins:Drained and converted for other uses.
Robin Annschild:We have significant cultural amnesia
Robin Annschild:about how we've changed these landscapes where we live. In
Robin Annschild:Europe, where certainly my ancestors came from, there had
Robin Annschild:already been centuries, if not millennia, of a really
Robin Annschild:systematic and highly sophisticated wetland drainage.
Mendel Skulski:Because wetland is usually flat, flat land is
Mendel Skulski:good for building things.
Adam Huggins:Wetland is also rich. Rich land is good for
Adam Huggins:harvesting timber and growing crops
Mendel Skulski:Industrializing societies all over the world
Mendel Skulski:tend to take places that are wet, woody, rich and wild, and
Mendel Skulski:reduce them to a blank slate for all kinds of development.
Robin Annschild:Creating those uniform conditions across
Robin Annschild:floodplains is kind of the bread and butter of our way of living
Robin Annschild:on the landscape, simplifying streams so that instead of being
Robin Annschild:broad and flat and flooding the floodplain, perhaps on an annual
Robin Annschild:basis, they are now in deep ditches that flow down a
Robin Annschild:straight line, you know, on the edge of the field. It never
Robin Annschild:occurred to me that the very ditches that I played in as a
Robin Annschild:child, I thought that those ditches had streams in them,
Robin Annschild:really, they were ditches draining wetlands, and that
Robin Annschild:water that I played in in those ditches was water being drained
Robin Annschild:out of wetlands.
Adam Huggins:I also have fond memories of playing in ditches
Adam Huggins:as a kid on ag land that had once been in the flood plain of
Adam Huggins:the San Joaquin River. The landscape changes that Robin is
Adam Huggins:describing are ubiquitous.
Robin Annschild:Everything that we have done when logging, road,
Robin Annschild:building, mining, converting wetlands and floodplains to
Robin Annschild:agriculture, has been about hastening the passage of the
Robin Annschild:water through the watershed. And now what we're looking at is,
Robin Annschild:well, now wait a minute, what if we wanted to invite that water
Robin Annschild:to take a more leisurely path?
Mendel Skulski:Many of our ancestors were trying to get the
Mendel Skulski:water off the land as fast as possible, and now here we are
Mendel Skulski:thinking the exact opposite. How do we keep the water on the land
Mendel Skulski:for as long as possible?
Robin Annschild:Wetlands, by their very nature, are dynamic
Robin Annschild:ecosystems. One of the things that I find so exciting about
Robin Annschild:wetland and stream restoration is that through a single action,
Robin Annschild:we're achieving multiple benefits.
Mendel Skulski:Like making habitat for endangered frogs,
Adam Huggins:as discussed, and also to recharge aquifers
Adam Huggins:sequester carbon, create fire breaks and mitigate the
Adam Huggins:destructive power of floods.
Robin Annschild:Wetlands absorb water. Imagine if you're running
Robin Annschild:a bath, and you pull the plug. And of course, you know it takes
Robin Annschild:whatever time it takes for the bath to drain, but it drains
Robin Annschild:pretty quickly. Now, if you were to fill your bathtub with
Robin Annschild:towels, put the plug in, fill it up, then remove the plug, it's
Robin Annschild:going to take a lot longer for that bathtub to drain. So when
Robin Annschild:you have a high rainfall event, instead of all that rain hitting
Robin Annschild:the soil, the ground, the surfaces of your watershed and
Robin Annschild:running out quite quickly, the wetland is like that towel in
Robin Annschild:your bathtub that's absorbing all that water and it's
Robin Annschild:releasing it more slowly. The cheapest way to prevent flooding
Robin Annschild:is one to protect the wetlands that exist in your watershed,
Robin Annschild:and two, to restore drained wetlands in the watershed. So if
Robin Annschild:anything, we need more wetlands. We need more capacity to absorb
Robin Annschild:and regulate flow of water and clean surface water and inject
Robin Annschild:water into the ground.
Adam Huggins:At this point, for me, this is gospel, but once
Adam Huggins:Robin and the big yellow machines finish building the
Adam Huggins:wetlands and they leave for greener pastures, then I'm left
Adam Huggins:with the daunting task of getting native plants
Adam Huggins:established again on these highly disturbed sites.
Adam Huggins:Thankfully, my organization grows the plants that we need to
Adam Huggins:do this, but there's been this thing nagging at me. In order to
Adam Huggins:grow those plants as part of the soil mix, we typically use a
Adam Huggins:product that most folks are probably familiar with. It's
Adam Huggins:called peat.
Mendel Skulski:You know, peat. Fluffy, porous, great for
Mendel Skulski:growing blueberries, tasty in scotch, and famously, comes from
Mendel Skulski:bogs,
Adam Huggins:Bogs, which are, as a matter of fact, wetlands.
Mendel Skulski:Is that a bit circular? That's a bit circular.
Adam Huggins:It's not ideal. And so my colleagues and I have
Adam Huggins:been asking ourselves this pesky question — whould we really
Adam Huggins:still be using peat to grow our plants for restoration wetland
Adam Huggins:restoration?
Mendel Skulski:Seems like a simple question. How hard could
Mendel Skulski:it be to answer?
Adam Huggins:How hard indeed, well, on today's episode, For
Adam Huggins:Peat's Sake, we tell the story of peatlands in North America
Adam Huggins:through one remarkable wetland and attempt to answer a
Adam Huggins:seemingly simple question. But you know what happens to simple
Adam Huggins:questions around here, right?
Richard Hebda:This sounds like it would be just an interesting
Richard Hebda:sort of ecological exercise, right? But it became a very,
Richard Hebda:very big political issue.
Mendel Skulski:Come on in, the water's fine
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Adam Huggins:To get to know peat, you have to get to know
Adam Huggins:bogs. And so we're going to get all up in the business of the
Adam Huggins:most charismatic bog that I know. If you were to visit
Adam Huggins:Vancouver, nestled between the snow capped mountains of the
Adam Huggins:coast ranges and the Salish Sea. First, you should say hi to
Adam Huggins:Mendel.
Mendel Skulski:I live here!
Adam Huggins:And then you should head south across the
Adam Huggins:north and south arms of the Fraser River through the suburb
Adam Huggins:of Richmond, and you will see heavy industry highways,
Adam Huggins:subdivisions, farmland, until you hit the largest undeveloped
Adam Huggins:urban land mass in North America.
Mendel Skulski:And you're thinking undeveloped... urban...
Mendel Skulski:land mass, what does that mean?
Adam Huggins:It's a good question. It basically means, I
Adam Huggins:think, that it's a massive wild land in a major urban center,
Adam Huggins:but that it's not a park. There is no public access here.
Mendel Skulski:This undeveloped urban land mass is actually an
Mendel Skulski:enormous, raised bog.
Adam Huggins:A big, beautiful bog by the name of Burns. Burns
Adam Huggins:Bog. And since it's nearly impossible to access for most
Adam Huggins:people living here, Burns Bog is actually kind of a big black
Adam Huggins:box. A big black box that every so often bursts into flames.
Adam Huggins:News Announcer 1: Fire crews launched a rapid attack from the
Adam Huggins:air and ground today in the hopes of knocking down a fast
Adam Huggins:growing brush fire that sparked in Burns Bog along a stretch of
Adam Huggins:Highway 17 in Delta.
Adam Huggins:News Announcer 2: With an ecological treasure at risk,
Adam Huggins:fire crews in Delta, BC, threw everything they had today at the
Adam Huggins:flames in Burns Bog
Adam Huggins:News Announcer 3: but it is a difficult fire to fight, and
Adam Huggins:officials say that it could continue to burn for days.
Adam Huggins:Man on the Street: Remember the big fire they had in 2005 in the
Adam Huggins:bog, just hope it doesn't get as big.
Adam Huggins:So what's going on here? Well, we've got our bog,
Adam Huggins:and now what we need is our bog whisperer.
Mendel Skulski:Sometimes with some stories, we have no idea
Mendel Skulski:who to talk to first. But for this one, all roads lead back to
Mendel Skulski:one man.
Richard Hebda:My name is Richard Hebda, and I am the
Richard Hebda:curator emeritus at the Royal British Columbia Museum and an
Richard Hebda:adjunct faculty at the University of Victoria,
Richard Hebda:historically, in the biology department the School of Earth
Richard Hebda:and Ocean Sciences and School of Environmental Studies. With
Richard Hebda:respect to Burns Bog, I was the government scientific expert on
Richard Hebda:the ecosystem review for Burns Bog, 25 years ago.
Adam Huggins:And I will say, just from my experience, it's
Adam Huggins:hard to throw a rock around here without hitting one of your
Adam Huggins:students or one of the students of one of your students.
Richard Hebda:We hope people don't throw rocks at them,
Richard Hebda:unless it's because they're doing very good things and that
Richard Hebda:people are scurrilous rogues.
Mendel Skulski:Don't throw rocks at Richard's students,
Mendel Skulski:Adam.
Adam Huggins:I would never! But long before, Richard had an
Adam Huggins:impressive retinue of students, je was just a graduate student
Adam Huggins:himself looking for a project.
Richard Hebda:I had a background in Earth history and
Richard Hebda:in botany. So when I came here, my supervisor of the day, Dr
Richard Hebda:Glenn Rouse said, you know, there's this bog out there in
Richard Hebda:the Fraser lowland. We don't know very much about it.
Adam Huggins:And when a young scientist learns that we don't
Adam Huggins:know much about a thing, it becomes almost irresistible.
Richard Hebda:This was a particularly interesting,
Richard Hebda:different sort of creature, as it turns out, because Burns Bog
Richard Hebda:is a raised bog, and essentially raised bogs make their own
Richard Hebda:environment and essentially create circumstances by which
Richard Hebda:plants that are critical in peat accumulation can thrive and
Richard Hebda:continue. So the whole idea was, well, when and where did it come
Richard Hebda:from? How did it arise and sort of, how does it work?
Mendel Skulski:These were the questions Richard said about
Mendel Skulski:answering in his PhD.
Richard Hebda:How did it get here? It's kind of simple in one
Richard Hebda:way, the Fraser River brings in mud, and it filled in the
Richard Hebda:shallow waters, and in doing so, those lands emerge, like the
Richard Hebda:back of a whale out of the water, and in the process, as
Richard Hebda:they emerge slowly, first being intertidal, seawater influence,
Richard Hebda:freshwater influence. They go through a process of succession
Richard Hebda:of change from lower intertidal plant communities through middle
Richard Hebda:to upper intertidal freshwater marshes, as you see in the
Richard Hebda:Fraser today, and then the organic matter accumulated as
Richard Hebda:peat.
Mendel Skulski:Peat, which is plants, all sorts of plants in a
Mendel Skulski:state of arrested decomposition, because the wet conditions of
Mendel Skulski:this bog in progress don't allow dead plants to fully break down
Mendel Skulski:into soil.
Adam Huggins:Which changes the surface chemistry, and that in
Adam Huggins:turn, changes the plant communities that can grow there.
Adam Huggins:First herbaceous plants and then later woody plants.
Richard Hebda:So willows, red osier dogwoods, Pacific
Richard Hebda:crabapple. And then those plant communities accumulate more
Richard Hebda:peat, but now it's woody, and woody peat is much more acidic.
Adam Huggins:And as things become increasingly acidic, the
Adam Huggins:plant community changes again. With Labrador tea, bog
Adam Huggins:cranberry, bog rosemary, cloudberry, and the star of the
Adam Huggins:show — a whole retinue of colorful sphagnum mosses.
Mendel Skulski:Ta da! That's the birth of a bog.
Richard Hebda:And once the sphagnum mosses begin to
Richard Hebda:establish, they have all sorts of amazing tricks of organic
Richard Hebda:matter chemistry, of water regulation, of being able to
Richard Hebda:grow in situations where there's very low nutrients because the
Richard Hebda:peat's accumulating above the water table. And then they
Richard Hebda:essentially convert this wetland into their own home, in which
Richard Hebda:peat mosses thrive and dominate. And once you get into that, they
Richard Hebda:just keep adding more peat and more peat, as their bodies don't
Richard Hebda:break down, but as they die and only partially decompose and
Richard Hebda:more sphagnum mosses grow.
Adam Huggins:And over the course of about 4000 years,
Adam Huggins:those remarkable non vascular plants, the sphagnum peat
Adam Huggins:mosses, have essentially constructed a dome out of their
Adam Huggins:own dead bodies, with a shallow living fringe on the surface.
Mendel Skulski:And because it's higher in the middle than at the
Mendel Skulski:edges, like a dome, it becomes... get ready for this,
Mendel Skulski:ombrotrophic.
Adam Huggins:Ombrotrophic.
Richard Hebda:Ombrotrophic basically means rain fed. The
Richard Hebda:nutrients that enter the bog that support the growth of all
Richard Hebda:the plants and all the decomposers, and then all the
Richard Hebda:animals that depend on them come from the sky, and that's because
Richard Hebda:the bog itself is actually above the water table, so no water
Richard Hebda:flows into it, because it's higher than everything else, and
Richard Hebda:it drains radially outward from the center of the bog or —
Richard Hebda:sometimes they have ridges outward — from the ridges to the
Richard Hebda:margin. So the only source of water and the only source of
Richard Hebda:nutrients is rainwater.
Adam Huggins:But that's okay, because the sphagnum peat likes
Adam Huggins:low nutrient conditions. And the other plants that grow there,
Adam Huggins:they have unique adaptations to live in this environment. For
Adam Huggins:example, they learn to hunt insects.
Richard Hebda:Carnivorous plants are just amazing, because
Richard Hebda:they're essentially an inside out stomach, they have the
Richard Hebda:digestive juices on the outside, in the case of Sundews, on these
Richard Hebda:little glands with little glistening drops of fluid on the
Richard Hebda:ends of the glands, and those are your digestive juices. So
Richard Hebda:imagine the stomach is outside dissolves insects that fall on
Richard Hebda:it.
Mendel Skulski:I love Sundews. What the hell... pitcher plants!
Adam Huggins:I know we could have made the entire episode
Adam Huggins:about them, but we're not going to do that.
Richard Hebda:So that's how these plants get their nitrogen
Richard Hebda:and the other nutrients that they need, because they don't
Richard Hebda:get them out of the ground very much, because there aren't very
Richard Hebda:much in an ombrotrophic bog.
Adam Huggins:And these unusual plants support an abundance of
Adam Huggins:wildlife.
Richard Hebda:In my days, you know, almost 50 years ago, there
Richard Hebda:were bears and deer and all kinds of other wildlife, much of
Richard Hebda:which is no longer there —
Richard Hebda:to see a Sandhill Crane just, you know, 15 feet away from you
Richard Hebda:in a ditch, just all of a sudden erupt. A bunch of them erupt! —
Richard Hebda:Like, oh my god, there's a black bear sitting in there, you know,
Richard Hebda:10 feet away from eating berries. It doesn't even know
Richard Hebda:I'm there —
Richard Hebda:Then you see these majestic cranes, taking off as they do —
Richard Hebda:because you don't make any noise when you walk on sphagnum. It's
Richard Hebda:cushioned.
Richard Hebda:It's being like, returned to the bosom of the bog. You are part
Richard Hebda:of it, encased in part in it, cushioned by it, and you
Richard Hebda:appreciate it in a way that's just exceptional. Because you
Richard Hebda:hear the insects. You smell the smell of the bark, Labrador tea.
Richard Hebda:You hear the birds like the Sandhill cranes, or the
Richard Hebda:bumblebees flying around pollinating the cranberry
Richard Hebda:flowers, these gorgeous, little pinkish cranberry flowers. You
Richard Hebda:feel it, you smell it, you hear it, it's all there, and you feel
Richard Hebda:as if you're part of it.
Mendel Skulski:These are all reasons why, for Richard, bogs
Mendel Skulski:are more than just ecosystems.
Richard Hebda:The biosphere converts part of the Earth into
Richard Hebda:essentially a superorganism. As we in our own bodies have
Richard Hebda:systems that work together and feed each other and support each
Richard Hebda:other, this macro organism, raised bog does exactly that
Richard Hebda:same thing, the multitude of species and multitude of
Richard Hebda:processes on a huge landscape, that's why I like bogs.
Mendel Skulski:And Burns Bog is just one very southerly
Mendel Skulski:representative of the bogosphere, if you will, a
Mendel Skulski:patchwork that blankets the northern parts of the entire
Mendel Skulski:world.
Adam Huggins:Burns Bog is also representative of many bogs for
Adam Huggins:another reason entirely. It has a long and complicated history
Adam Huggins:of people trying to drain, farm, and fill it, because when
Adam Huggins:European settlers arrived, they simply weren't content to let
Adam Huggins:sleeping bogs lie.
Richard Hebda:Settler history goes back to basically people
Richard Hebda:trying to farm the land. They dug these ditches going into the
Richard Hebda:bog, and they were visible when I was there, or that were
Richard Hebda:invisible sometimes and you would just fall up to your waist
Richard Hebda:in peat and water
Adam Huggins:Kilometers and kilometers of ditches, just like
Adam Huggins:those that we discussed with Robin earlier. Speaking of
Adam Huggins:which, Mendel, you want to know how you can get a bog named
Adam Huggins:after you?
Mendel Skulski:Ooh, how?
Adam Huggins:Try, mostly unsuccessfully, to get rid of
Adam Huggins:it. Burns Bog is named after one Dominic Burns, a rancher who did
Adam Huggins:his damnedest to drain it.
Richard Hebda:And that sort of went on for a while, until the
Richard Hebda:Second World War.
Mendel Skulski:The Second World War, of course, interrupted all
Mendel Skulski:sorts of settler agricultural activity and also created whole
Mendel Skulski:new economies, including the use of peat moss for military first
Mendel Skulski:aid.
Adam Huggins:Antiseptic and absorbent.
Richard Hebda:There was quite a bit of extraction at that time
Richard Hebda:for basically military purposes, but eventually that became
Richard Hebda:converted to the extraction of peat moss for horticultural
Richard Hebda:purposes. And when that came around, then there was this huge
Richard Hebda:extraction of peat from the middle of the bog. It's organic
Richard Hebda:material. The peat, predominantly sphagnum peat, was
Richard Hebda:removed so the heart of the bog was taken out. But like my bald
Richard Hebda:head, there was active living peat communities all around the
Richard Hebda:edges, and they essentially sustained the bog, even though
Richard Hebda:the middle had been taken out, and maintained the water
Richard Hebda:chemistry in the middle, so that the sphagnum mosses came back,
Richard Hebda:essentially in a giant pool, or a giant reticulate network with
Richard Hebda:ridges of peat that remained in open pools.
Mendel Skulski:So I guess you can actually teach an old bog
Mendel Skulski:new tricks.
Adam Huggins:Yes. But meanwhile, more mischief was
Richard Hebda:At the same time as the inside of the bog was
Richard Hebda:afoot.
Richard Hebda:being exploited, dug out, people were nibbling on the edges,
Richard Hebda:converting — conversion irreversible.
Mendel Skulski:All around the bog, chunks of the edges were
Mendel Skulski:being developed.
Adam Huggins:There was the railroad construction, and then
Adam Huggins:the road road construction,
Richard Hebda:A highway went through it, the one that the
Richard Hebda:Alex Fraser Bridge, which, my opinion, never should have been
Richard Hebda:allowed to be built the way it was, and the environmental
Richard Hebda:assessment for it was utterly inadequate.
Mendel Skulski:And then there are the cranberry farms.
Richard Hebda:Some of it was converted to cranberry fields
Richard Hebda:because cranberry fields have turned out to be very lucrative.
Adam Huggins:and we'd be remiss not to mention the gigantic
Adam Huggins:landfill for the City of Vancouver.
Richard Hebda:One of my study sites is now under the dump.
Mendel Skulski:Meanwhile, peat extraction technology was
Mendel Skulski:advancing.
Richard Hebda:Later on, when they got very sophisticated,
Richard Hebda:they would just cut the trees off, and scrape it off and then
Richard Hebda:suck the peat through giant vacuum cleaners.
Adam Huggins:Incidentally, cranberries are also harvested
Adam Huggins:by giant vacuum tubes. I have seen it myself.
Richard Hebda:More sucking. There's a lot of sucking
Richard Hebda:involved,
Adam Huggins:And all of this draining and scraping and
Adam Huggins:dumping and sucking kept eating away at the edges of the bog,
Adam Huggins:but no one seemed to put it much of a fuss. Parts of it would
Adam Huggins:periodically burst into flames. But like so what?
Richard Hebda:It's just a bog. Who cares? Bog, three letter
Richard Hebda:word for bad things. Because, of course, everybody thinks they're
Richard Hebda:horrible places. They don't value them and they don't even
Richard Hebda:understand them. They just throw more garbage on top of them.
Adam Huggins:And some major industrial development proposals
Adam Huggins:were floated for the bog.
Richard Hebda:At that time, which was, I think, in the mid
Richard Hebda:80s. The idea was they would dig the bog out and fill it with
Richard Hebda:sand from dredging of the Fraser River, and then build a huge
Richard Hebda:megaport.
Adam Huggins:That didn't pan out. And so then a 2500 acre
Adam Huggins:industrial development was proposed, and then a horse
Adam Huggins:racing track, and then the Pacific National Exhibition, an
Adam Huggins:amusement park, basically.
Mendel Skulski:But by the 90s, some folks were beginning to
Mendel Skulski:recognize the value of the bog and just how threatened the
Mendel Skulski:remainder was.
Richard Hebda:There was a very strong community group with very
Richard Hebda:skilled and capable people and knowledge who could make the
Richard Hebda:case that this place shouldn't be filled and turned and burned
Richard Hebda:and whatever else.
Adam Huggins:Finally, following years of public pressure and
Adam Huggins:failed development proposals, the province of BC agreed to
Adam Huggins:undertake an ecosystem review of Burns Bog, and they asked
Adam Huggins:Richard to lead it, which initially he was hesitant to do.
Richard Hebda:But the bog had spoken to me a long time before,
Richard Hebda:and I thought, okay, well, I owe it to this, these creatures,
Richard Hebda:this amazing place, which gave me my future, which gave me my
Richard Hebda:job, and has sustained me, has supported my curiosity. I am at
Richard Hebda:one with the bog, and therefore, if I am at one with the bog,
Richard Hebda:then I must be the bog. That's the way I looked at it. So I
Richard Hebda:said, I'll do it.
Mendel Skulski:And to make a long story short, he and a
Mendel Skulski:handful of other scientists did it! In just eight months.
Richard Hebda:You know, I pulled it off. I did it exactly
Richard Hebda:as it should be done in open public forum, with the
Richard Hebda:scientists reporting — people like Ian McTaggart Cowan, who
Richard Hebda:was just unbelievably powerful when he came. Now, Ian McTaggart
Richard Hebda:was the zoologist of British Columbia, a tall man with a
Richard Hebda:powerful voice, and he just said that red mouse — the red back
Richard Hebda:vole — that red mouse, the last time it was seen in British
Richard Hebda:Columbia was in the UBC endowment lands. And I and my
Richard Hebda:wife saw it in the late 1940s.
Adam Huggins:When the report was finally published, the
Adam Huggins:conclusion was stunning. It stated that the vast majority of
Adam Huggins:the remaining bog area, over 2000 hectares, would be required
Adam Huggins:to preserve its viability and sustain its processes. And when
Adam Huggins:it came down to it, Richard was called upon once again, this
Adam Huggins:time by the lawyers, to actually delineate the area that would
Adam Huggins:ultimately be protected, which was a real crisis for him as a
Adam Huggins:scientist.
Richard Hebda:At that point, I truly understood that you cannot
Richard Hebda:be an objective, dispassionate scientist. You cannot be one.
Richard Hebda:Just as we face the future of climate change, we have to make
Richard Hebda:the choices and the decisions and not leave for the government
Richard Hebda:to make or for an industry to make. We have to work to make
Richard Hebda:the best decisions that are possible, and so I did it. So I
Richard Hebda:drew the lines.
Mendel Skulski:And from those lines would eventually emerge
Mendel Skulski:the Burns Bog Ecological Conservancy Area, managed by
Mendel Skulski:Metro Vancouver and the City of Delta to maintain it in
Mendel Skulski:perturity. The bog had been drained and sucked, battered and
Mendel Skulski:bruised, but now it had a fighting chance at life.
Richard Hebda:You know, why would you fill it and kill it?
Richard Hebda:Why would you not think of it as one of the most biologically
Richard Hebda:spiritual creations on the Planet Earth.
Adam Huggins:The fate of one of the most biologically spiritual
Adam Huggins:creations on Planet Earth, and I promise eventually an answer to
Adam Huggins:our question about peat. That's after the break. Now, if you
Adam Huggins:excuse me, I have to go see a man about a bog.
Mendel Skulski:Hey, if you're enjoying the show, check out
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Adam Huggins:Driving down this old gravel road. On my left,
Adam Huggins:Burns Bog. On the right, cranberry farm, actively
Adam Huggins:harvesting... group of men out in waders, water up to their
Adam Huggins:waists, with a giant vacuum hose sucking the cranberries that are
Adam Huggins:floating off of the water surface and into a giant bin.
Adam Huggins:Wild. And another gate. I think this is the third gate. Gates
Adam Huggins:everywhere.
Mendel Skulski:Wait, I didn't get to go along for this ride. I
Mendel Skulski:feel so left out. I thought you said members of the public
Mendel Skulski:couldn't actually get in to Burns Bog.
Adam Huggins:I mean, they generally can't, except for a
Adam Huggins:tiny piece called The Delta Nature Reserve, which is nice to
Adam Huggins:visit if you can. But I am no ordinary member of the general
Adam Huggins:public, Mendel. I have special clearance — from a friend who
Adam Huggins:got me inside.
Adam Huggins:I don't think I have ever eaten a fresh cranberry right off a
Adam Huggins:bush.
Drew Elves:Not a cultivar.
Adam Huggins:This is native?
Drew Elves:Yeah.
Adam Huggins:that is delicious
Drew Elves:Tart though, huh?
Adam Huggins:Oh, but I love things that are sour. Oh my god.
Drew Elves:That's good.
Adam Huggins:I love sour things.
Mendel Skulski:Ah, yes. You were there to see your good
Mendel Skulski:friend... the cranberry.
Adam Huggins:Of course, and my colleague, Drew Elves.
Drew Elves:I teach at University of Victoria in the
Drew Elves:Restoration of Natural Systems program and in the School of
Drew Elves:Environmental Studies. I am ecohydrologist by training, a
Drew Elves:peatland ecohydrologist with a focus on sphagnum mosses.
Adam Huggins:So I'm standing out there in the bog with Drew,
Adam Huggins:bobbing up and down on this thick mat of peat in the sun.
Mendel Skulski:No, I'm not jealous. Thanks for asking.
Adam Huggins:And we're looking at this wild variety of colors
Adam Huggins:all around us.
Drew Elves:Like, we're looking at this field right now, and
Drew Elves:there's a cornucopia of color, right? There are so many greens,
Drew Elves:so many reds, so many buffs.
Adam Huggins:And these colors we're seeing, they tend to
Adam Huggins:correspond to different species of sphagnum moss.
Drew Elves:There are 12 documented species
Adam Huggins:Growing in slightly different parts of the
Adam Huggins:mossy landscape, the hummocks and the hollows.
Drew Elves:The ones that make the hummocks, they are slow
Drew Elves:growing and they're recalcitrant, meaning they don't
Drew Elves:readily decompose. These recalcitrant hummock species are
Drew Elves:really resilient. They can take up water and stay moist much
Drew Elves:further into the drought period than hollow forming species. The
Drew Elves:Hollow forming species, though, they'll grow really fast, but
Drew Elves:then they don't have the specific phenolics, meaning they
Drew Elves:don't have those chemicals that impede breaking down. They're
Drew Elves:not robust in that way. They decay.
Mendel Skulski:Tag yourself. I'm the not-so-resilient fast
Mendel Skulski:grower.
Adam Huggins:I'm recalcitrant, slow and stubborn all the way.
Drew Elves:So it's two very different traits. One's a hare,
Drew Elves:one's a tortoise. The hare are the hollow growing species.
Drew Elves:They'll grow really fast during a time when moisture conditions
Drew Elves:are right and temperature conditions are right, and
Drew Elves:they'll grow really quickly. So because of that, they are
Drew Elves:lateral growers. Whereas these hummocks, they slowly build up.
Drew Elves:They have this like apical bud, meaning a topmost layer where
Drew Elves:they keep growing from. And so they just keep growing higher
Drew Elves:and higher.
Adam Huggins:So it's a beautiful, diverse bog scene.
Adam Huggins:But at the same time, this is a part of the bog that was
Adam Huggins:harvested and prepared to be a cranberry farm before it was
Adam Huggins:abandoned. It's still recovering from that disturbance.
Drew Elves:The hydrology has been brought back to within
Drew Elves:historical bounds, and that means that peat forming
Drew Elves:processes have been reinitiated
Adam Huggins:and Drew is there studying that recovery.
Mendel Skulski:How is he doing that?
Adam Huggins:With light and a very, very nice camera pointed
Adam Huggins:directly at the ground.
Drew Elves:We can take the properties of light. The sun
Drew Elves:comes in, and it encodes a lot of information, especially for
Drew Elves:plants and photosynthetic organisms, right? What they use,
Drew Elves:what they take. Meaning, what part of the sun's light that
Drew Elves:they use at different times of year, and then what they reflect
Drew Elves:back can tell us a lot about what's happening underneath.
Adam Huggins:And just as a very basic example, when sphagnum
Adam Huggins:moss gets dry, it tends to turn white, and that increases the
Adam Huggins:albedo of the bog, helping reflect sunlight and cool things
Adam Huggins:down a bit. That's something that we can see with just our
Adam Huggins:eyeballs, but Drew is looking at what we can learn with better
Adam Huggins:equipment than what nature gave any of us.
Drew Elves:The affordances we have in terms of our vision,
Drew Elves:they're not entirely objective, right? I often tell students,
Drew Elves:you know, remember that dress?
Adam Huggins:You know the dress, right Mendel?
Mendel Skulski:Ah the dress, of course I do. It's obviously
Mendel Skulski:black and blue.
Adam Huggins:Oh no, it's clearly white and gold.
Adam Huggins:What color was the dress?
Drew Elves:I don't answer that question, because I think as a
Drew Elves:lot of people who have a significant other, it may be led
Drew Elves:to a bit of acrimony, and so I'm not going to say what color the
Drew Elves:dress was.
Adam Huggins:So instead of relying on his merely human
Adam Huggins:vision, Drew is using the NDVI.
Mendel Skulski:The what?
Drew Elves:The Normalized Difference Vegetation Index. So
Drew Elves:that's where it goes from being the dress and being subjective,
Drew Elves:to being something that's standardized and reproducible
Drew Elves:and decipherable.
Adam Huggins:And I brought us here just to say that this is a
Adam Huggins:lot of what goes on in the black box of Burns Bog. It's basic
Adam Huggins:science — developing techniques to better understand all bogs,
Adam Huggins:by studying the recovery of this bog.
Mendel Skulski:That's so cool. And you know, how are things
Mendel Skulski:going?
Adam Huggins:Well, we did mention that the bog
Adam Huggins:occasionally erupts into flames, right?
Mendel Skulski:We did.
Adam Huggins:And that's because those kilometers and kilometers
Adam Huggins:of ditches and roads crisscrossing the bog, many of
Adam Huggins:them are still actively draining it, drying it out. And a big
Adam Huggins:pile of dead dry peat is a magnet for wildfire. This is the
Adam Huggins:primary reason why the public isn't allowed in the bog.
Mendel Skulski:Sure that makes sense.
Adam Huggins:But in addition to researchers, there are also
Adam Huggins:folks in here looking after the bog, and so I caught up with a
Adam Huggins:couple of them on a group field trip on a freezing cold, rainy
Adam Huggins:day. You're actually going to hear the raindrops hitting the
Adam Huggins:microphone, and I just want you to know that every single one of
Adam Huggins:them felt like frostbite on my hand.
Mendel Skulski:Thank you for your service.
Adam Huggins:It is also on the flight path of the Vancouver
Adam Huggins:International Airport, and so there was so much plane noise.
Markus Merkens:I'm Markus Merkens. I'm a Regional Parks
Markus Merkens:Biologist, and I've been working in the bog for the past 15 and a
Markus Merkens:half years, trying to take care of the bog the best I can. I'm
Markus Merkens:gonna pass over to Sarah here.
Sarah Howie:Sarah Howie, Climate Action and Environment
Sarah Howie:Manager with the City of Delta. I've been working in the bog
Sarah Howie:since the year 2000, and Markus and I co-manage the bog.
Adam Huggins:And without much further ado, they ushered us
Adam Huggins:into the bog.
Sarah Howie:If you see what looks like a mud puddle, don't
Sarah Howie:step there, because it's basically a sinkhole and you
Sarah Howie:will fall in. That would be a fun experience for you, but we'd
Sarah Howie:rather you not have to deal with that, so you can just step on
Sarah Howie:the vegetation instead. It'll keep you afloat.
Markus Merkens:Bogs are incredibly complex ecosystems,
Markus Merkens:and to quote a professor of mine at UBC, bog ecology isn't rocket
Markus Merkens:science, it's way more complicated than that.
Adam Huggins:Markus told us that the peat in Burns Bog is
Adam Huggins:five to eight meters thick, and to demonstrate, he pulled out a
Adam Huggins:Russian peat auger.
Markus Merkens:So I've just taken a core sample of the bog.
Markus Merkens:This peat is about a meter and a half below ground. This was
Markus Merkens:sequestered at a time when the Vikings were exploring the
Markus Merkens:eastern coast of North America. That's how long ago this was
Markus Merkens:laid down.
Markus Merkens:Bog tour participant: Welcome back to the sunlight.
Adam Huggins:So Mendel, as you know, normally, bogs are too wet
Adam Huggins:for anything but a few stunted trees to grow. But where we were
Adam Huggins:walking, there were hundreds of dead burnt out tree trunks, and
Adam Huggins:beneath them, thousands of stout little pine saplings.
Markus Merkens:If you look around us, you can see these
Markus Merkens:burnt out trees. These are the trees that release the cones and
Markus Merkens:seeds post fire. And if you look behind me, you can see the
Markus Merkens:lodgepole pine stand very dense. If you have six trees in a
Markus Merkens:square meter or square yard, you have 60,000 stems per hectare.
Markus Merkens:So that's, that's a huge number of trees.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, my God. What is it with us and this season
Mendel Skulski:and cataloging the density of stands of trees?
Adam Huggins:I have no idea. Honestly, it is a through line.
Adam Huggins:There were a lot of pines there.
Mendel Skulski:Yeah, what's up with that?
Adam Huggins:Well, when you start draining a bog, you make
Adam Huggins:it a lot easier for trees to grow, because it was the water
Adam Huggins:level that was keeping them out. And when trees start growing,
Adam Huggins:they start transpiring water. Lots and lots of that water.
Markus Merkens:Trees are hydrological pumps. Pine is a
Markus Merkens:weaker pump than other species, but in the aggregate, 60,000
Markus Merkens:stems per hectare push a lot of water out of the bog.
Adam Huggins:They suck water out of the ground.
Mendel Skulski:More sucking
Adam Huggins:And then things get even drier still, and then
Adam Huggins:they catch fire and burn. And then the seed cones open, and
Adam Huggins:1000s more trees start to grow, and the vicious cycle continues.
Mendel Skulski:So what are they doing about it?
Markus Merkens:We physically remove by hand trees, now over a
Markus Merkens:19 hectare, or almost 50 acre section of the burn that
Markus Merkens:happened, which was 37 hectares within the conservancy area. So
Markus Merkens:very labor intensive.
Adam Huggins:They rip up and pile the trees. I pulled a few
Adam Huggins:myself just to be helpful. You know?
Adam Huggins:Oh, that is delicious.
Mendel Skulski:...Are you eating cranberries again?
Adam Huggins:Possibly, but more to the point, the trees are only
Adam Huggins:one part of the problem. Those old settler drainage ditches are
Adam Huggins:still doing their thing.
Mendel Skulski:Ouch.
Adam Huggins:And as the bog is drying out, especially at the
Adam Huggins:edges, the peat is subsiding away as it's being oxidized,
Adam Huggins:with all of that carbon going back up into the atmosphere.
Mendel Skulski:Whoa. It's kind of like the bog is still
Mendel Skulski:burning, only on a slower time scale.
Adam Huggins:Yeah, you could definitely look at it that way.
Adam Huggins:And this edge of the bog, also known as the lagg, is where
Adam Huggins:organic peat meets the surrounding mineral soils. As
Adam Huggins:Richard told me, it's really important.
Richard Hebda:You can't have a bog without a lagg. Essentially,
Richard Hebda:the lagg is kind of like that transitional skin on your body.
Richard Hebda:If you don't have that, if you just cut into the tissue and
Richard Hebda:expose the raw flesh, you die, you scar right. The more cuts,
Richard Hebda:the more it's bleeding, the less chance it has to survive. And so
Richard Hebda:we need to stop the loss of water, in this case, the life
Richard Hebda:blood of the bog.
Adam Huggins:Fortunately, Sarah Howie is an expert on laggs and
Adam Huggins:how to revive them.
Sarah Howie:So Markus has been talking about his big tree
Sarah Howie:seedling removal project. My project that I've been working
Sarah Howie:on for 20 years is restoring the water table in the bog. So
Sarah Howie:there's about 100 kilometers of drainage ditches that were put
Sarah Howie:into the bog during the peat harvesting days. So we're trying
Sarah Howie:to reverse that and stop those ditches from draining. So we've
Sarah Howie:got these dams, about 479 dams, and almost all of them were
Sarah Howie:built by hand, by people carrying materials and shovels
Sarah Howie:into the bog, digging borrow pits of peat, filling the dams
Sarah Howie:with peat, and actually using Coroplast boards like these
Sarah Howie:ones, recycled election signs.
Mendel Skulski:Election signs?
Adam Huggins:Yes, even bog restoration is political,
Adam Huggins:Mendel.
Unknown:After we would have a local election, they were really
Unknown:just going to dispose of them anyway, and so, yeah, they're
Unknown:buried. They're basically like sheet piling, and we use them to
Unknown:block the flow of water in the ditches and then cover it with
Unknown:peat so that the plastic is not exposed. It's buried basically
Unknown:forever in the peat.
Adam Huggins:Sarah says this works so well because the signs
Adam Huggins:are really light and pretty tough, you can carry them into
Adam Huggins:the bog on your back and create permanent ditch blocks.
Sarah Howie:And because we have to, you know, walk for
Sarah Howie:kilometers sometimes to get to the places where we're working,
Sarah Howie:that's the best material. And we actually ran this by our
Sarah Howie:scientific advisory panel before deciding to put this plastic in
Sarah Howie:the bog and and they said, because it's going to be buried
Sarah Howie:essentially forever in the bog, it's inert. It's not
Sarah Howie:contributing chemicals or nutrients. I mean, I don't love
Sarah Howie:the idea of putting plastic out there, but it's buried, and it's
Sarah Howie:not damaging the bog in any way.
Mendel Skulski:I guess sometimes practicality comes
Mendel Skulski:before romance. Are they also using, like, big heavy machinery
Mendel Skulski:excavators, like Robin?
Adam Huggins:At times, yeah.
Sarah Howie:It's actually the same excavator operator that was
Sarah Howie:working for the peat harvesting folks, and now he's helping us
Sarah Howie:with restoration.
Adam Huggins:Sarah told me that they've basically blocked off
Adam Huggins:most of the ditches in the center of the bog, and so she's
Adam Huggins:turned her attention to the lagg.
Sarah Howie:The next goal is to restore the edge, and that's
Sarah Howie:probably going to take me to the end of my career.
Adam Huggins:But that's all right, because, as Richard told
Adam Huggins:us, they have a 100 year restoration plan in place for
Adam Huggins:the bog, and we're just a quarter of the way into it.
Richard Hebda:I think that in the 25 years that we've been
Richard Hebda:doing this work and gathering more knowledge, it's as well and
Richard Hebda:better than I had hoped for.
Adam Huggins:You can see that, especially in the middle of the
Adam Huggins:bog.
Sarah Howie:The water levels are generally where they're
Sarah Howie:supposed to be, within about half a meter of the surface,
Adam Huggins:But we are not out of the woods yet, not by a long
Adam Huggins:shot.
Sarah Howie:The other issue that we're dealing with is
Sarah Howie:climate change. So we've re-wetted the bog, we've raised
Sarah Howie:the water table, and now we're getting drier summers, and so
Sarah Howie:it's much hotter, and the water table is dropping.
Adam Huggins:And so Sarah will continue blocking ditches, and
Adam Huggins:Markus will keep removing trees, and Drew and other researchers
Adam Huggins:will continue to study the system, and hopefully, in the
Adam Huggins:meantime, the bog doesn't go up in smoke.
Mendel Skulski:So it's great to hear that some level of recovery
Mendel Skulski:is possible, right? At least on a 100 year time scale. But it's
Mendel Skulski:clear that harvesting the peat from this bog, along with other
Mendel Skulski:disturbances, has had a pretty profoundly negative impact.
Adam Huggins:Which brings us back to the question that we
Adam Huggins:started with. Can we justify harvesting peat from bogs so
Adam Huggins:that we can use it to grow plants, say, native plants for
Adam Huggins:restoration?
Mendel Skulski:To answer that question, we needed to talk to
Mendel Skulski:one more person.
Line Rochefort:My name is Line Rochefort, Professor in
Line Rochefort:Restoration Ecology, holding a chair in Ecosystem Restoration,
Line Rochefort:and also I'm the North American national expert at the RAMSAR
Line Rochefort:Convention.
Mendel Skulski:Line is widely recognized as Canada's leading
Mendel Skulski:expert on peatland restoration
Line Rochefort:Canada, in terms of managing, caring for
Line Rochefort:peatlands has a world responsibility, because we have
Line Rochefort:a lot of carbon stock in our peatland, 34% of all the
Line Rochefort:peatlands in the world are in Canada.
Mendel Skulski:followed by 33% in Russia. So between our two
Mendel Skulski:circumboreal nations, there are two thirds of the world's
Mendel Skulski:peatland, which is a lot of carbon. Now Lynn is quick to
Mendel Skulski:point out that peatland destruction is a serious issue
Mendel Skulski:at a global and a regional level, especially in the more
Mendel Skulski:developed parts of southern Canada.
Adam Huggins:Like the Fraser Valley, where Burns Bog is
Adam Huggins:located.
Mendel Skulski:But overall, she says of Canada's total 128
Mendel Skulski:million hectares of peatland, only a tiny fraction have been
Mendel Skulski:directly impacted, estimated at less than 2%
Adam Huggins:These and the numbers that follow are from the
Adam Huggins:2022 UN Global Peatlands Assessment, by the way.
Line Rochefort:So in Canada, if we go by order of impacts
Line Rochefort:through time, we have drained for agriculture, 1.3 million
Line Rochefort:hectares of peatland.
Adam Huggins:About and after agriculture, the next biggest
Adam Huggins:impact to Canadian peatlands is actually the fossil fuel
Adam Huggins:industry.
Line Rochefort:Second in line is the oil and gas and we don't
Line Rochefort:have national statistics about all our impacts, but we do know
Line Rochefort:that it's about 400,000 hectare. So, it's an order of magnitude
Line Rochefort:less than what happened with agriculture.
Mendel Skulski:And after fossil energy, next comes hydro
Mendel Skulski:electricity.
Line Rochefort:Hydro dams. So a lot of flooding in peatland rich
Line Rochefort:area, be it in Quebec, Newfoundland, Manitoba,
Mendel Skulski:And then it's good old fashioned drainage.
Line Rochefort:Some drainage for forestry, for urban
Line Rochefort:expansion, road development.
Adam Huggins:And finally, we have the subject of our inquiry,
Adam Huggins:peat extraction for peat extraction's sake.
Line Rochefort:One of the least is using it for peat. Since
Line Rochefort:1931, about 38,000 hectare.
Adam Huggins:In other words, the area of peatland that has
Adam Huggins:been impacted by harvesting for horticultural uses is absolutely
Adam Huggins:dwarfed by the area impacted by agriculture, oil and gas and
Adam Huggins:other forms of development, all of which has only impacted a
Adam Huggins:small portion of the bogs in Canada. But even so, when you go
Adam Huggins:to the store and buy a bag of peat, chances are good that it's
Adam Huggins:coming from right here in Canada.
Line Rochefort:Canada is one of the biggest peat producer in the
Line Rochefort:world. The use of peat in Canada is really in horticulture. 85%
Line Rochefort:is sold in the United States. It's for the professional grower
Line Rochefort:in greenhouses, cucumber, green pepper, tomatoes and the
Line Rochefort:mushroom industry.
Adam Huggins:So for Canada, peat is largely an export
Adam Huggins:industry. Historically, some of that peat was harvested from
Adam Huggins:bogs in Western Canada, like Burns Bog, especially after the
Adam Huggins:Second World War. But for the most part today, that peat is
Adam Huggins:coming from the vast boreal peatlands of central and eastern
Adam Huggins:Canada. And before we continue, it's important to mention that
Adam Huggins:much of Line's research has been funded and undertaken in
Adam Huggins:partnership with the horticultural peat industry —
Adam Huggins:something that she is proud of.
Line Rochefort:What I would say is that it's an industry that
Line Rochefort:really care about managing the resource, because it's really
Line Rochefort:their living and usually they are family based, type of
Line Rochefort:companies also the been investing since the end of the
Line Rochefort:80s to develop peatland restoration measure or to manage
Line Rochefort:better. I have always been a big believer that it's good that
Line Rochefort:more biologists, environmentalists and on that
Line Rochefort:should work with industry to find solutions.
Mendel Skulski:So Line is sympathetic to her industry
Mendel Skulski:partners. And to be fair, they've come a long way
Mendel Skulski:together.
Line Rochefort:Before I started, nobody knew how to
Line Rochefort:manipulate masses on a large scale with machines without
Line Rochefort:killing everything.
Adam Huggins:To address this, Line and her colleagues in the
Adam Huggins:Peatland Ecology Research Group eventually developed what has
Adam Huggins:become known internationally as the Moss Layer Transfer
Adam Huggins:Technique. To make a long story short.
Line Rochefort:Uh... it's very technical, but in peatlands, we
Line Rochefort:have two hydrological layer one is called the acrotelm, the
Line Rochefort:other one the catatelm.
Adam Huggins:The catatelm is the thick mass of dead peat
Adam Huggins:that's typically below the water table and storing most of the
Adam Huggins:carbon.
Mendel Skulski:And the acrotelm is the thinner layer composed
Mendel Skulski:largely of living peat on the surface, kind of like your skin.
Mendel Skulski:No wait, kind of the opposite of your skin. Kind of like a tree.
Mendel Skulski:Wait, no, kind of the opposite of a tree. It's pretty
Mendel Skulski:different.
Adam Huggins:Yeah. So it's the first 10 or so centimeters of
Adam Huggins:the acrotelm
Line Rochefort:Where there's all the propagules — spores,
Line Rochefort:seeds.
Adam Huggins:Everything you need to catalyze the recovery of
Adam Huggins:a bog that's been harvested.
Line Rochefort:Once you have a peatland that's been drained for
Line Rochefort:maybe 20 years, we need, usually to reprofile to a fresh peat,
Line Rochefort:because we really need to have a good contact by capillary rise
Line Rochefort:of the water.
Adam Huggins:And so the top 10 centimeters of acrotelm is
Adam Huggins:collected from a donor site, usually the next site to be
Adam Huggins:harvested, and then is spread on top of the restoration site.
Line Rochefort:So once we spread all our material, then we
Line Rochefort:need to protect it with a straw mulch. Usually that we use, it's
Line Rochefort:to create a microclimate, because the mosses have no
Line Rochefort:roots.
Mendel Skulski:And in addition to straw mulch, they add
Mendel Skulski:phosphorus.
Line Rochefort:Because phosphorus is good. It's not
Line Rochefort:necessarily there to help the sphagnum, but it's another moss
Line Rochefort:that we need a nursing plan. We call it polytrichum.
Adam Huggins:Go into any bog, and amidst all that fluffy
Adam Huggins:sphagnum, you're likely to see other mosses, including the
Adam Huggins:pointier polytrichum, looking like a miniature palm tree. Or
Adam Huggins:as Line calls them, little aloes.
Line Rochefort:Or pineapple, because they have all these
Line Rochefort:spikes along the edge.
Adam Huggins:I found this aspect particularly fascinating.
Adam Huggins:Line and her colleagues have discovered that a little bit of
Adam Huggins:phosphorus really helps polytrichum to establish in the
Adam Huggins:transplanted sphagnum. And this polytrichum is much taller than
Adam Huggins:the sphagnum
Line Rochefort:So that's why, if you get this polytrichum,
Line Rochefort:nice carpet to establish, then it binds the peat and also
Line Rochefort:creates a nice microclimate.
Adam Huggins:And that miniature forest of polytrichum protects
Adam Huggins:the sphagnum moss from destruction through frost
Adam Huggins:heaving, which otherwise can be really damaging in northern
Adam Huggins:climates.
Line Rochefort:The sphagnum survive there, like, you know,
Line Rochefort:in the shadow, but they take over because they are a
Line Rochefort:co-engineer type of organism.
Mendel Skulski:That's so cool.
Adam Huggins:Yep. And then the last step, you re-wet the bog.
Line Rochefort:You have to re wet. You have to block the
Line Rochefort:ditches.
Mendel Skulski:And that's about it. Presto. There's a functional
Mendel Skulski:bog, once again.
Line Rochefort:Yes, we do get the bog at the end of it, we
Line Rochefort:have a rate of 75% success.
Adam Huggins:Based on Line's monitoring work. It takes about
Adam Huggins:nine to 12 years for the bog to once again become a carbon sink,
Adam Huggins:and about 20 years to fully offset the carbon cost of the
Adam Huggins:restoration.
Line Rochefort:The biodiversity in terms of vascular plants, we
Line Rochefort:know that after five years, we're getting 82% back. What
Line Rochefort:does not come back easily is like orchids, but you know, they
Line Rochefort:have a complicated reproductive cycle.
Mendel Skulski:So it's pretty good, but not perfect.
Adam Huggins:Restoration just never is. But as far as Line is
Adam Huggins:concerned,
Line Rochefort:in Canada, sphagnum-dominated peatland
Line Rochefort:restoration is close to a solved problem.
Adam Huggins:She's now turned her attention to the restoration
Adam Huggins:of fens, which are a different kind of peatland, and to
Adam Huggins:mitigating the impacts of wildfire on peatlands, which is
Adam Huggins:an emerging and very pressing issue.
Mendel Skulski:Yes, so to return to our question, what
Mendel Skulski:does Line think about using peat for restoration and for
Mendel Skulski:horticulture?
Line Rochefort:Well, I see peat. It's a bit hard to replace
Line Rochefort:for now, I think we should not stop ourselves from finding
Line Rochefort:solution of other growing substrate.
Adam Huggins:But she argues, all of the alternatives
Adam Huggins:currently on the market have their own issues. Wood chips,
Adam Huggins:for example, are not a great replacement.
Line Rochefort:Productivity when you're using just wood
Line Rochefort:chips goes down quickly, when you don't have at least mix with
Line Rochefort:some sphagnum.
Mendel Skulski:and rock wool, also used in home insulation,
Mendel Skulski:takes a lot of energy to produce and isn't biodegradable.
Line Rochefort:Piles of things that goes in the dump, do not decompose.
Adam Huggins:Coconut coir, while it is a byproduct of palm
Adam Huggins:plantations in India and Sri Lanka, has serious labor land
Adam Huggins:use, water use and transportation issues to consider.
Line Rochefort:Coconut fiber, it is a good growing substrate,
Line Rochefort:but it's it's ecological footprint. You really have to
Line Rochefort:look at your whole life cycle analysis,
Mendel Skulski:Plus something we weren't even thinking about,
Mendel Skulski:perlite, which is often used in soil mixes, is a mineral which
Mendel Skulski:itself is extracted and processed in a very energy
Mendel Skulski:intensive way.
Line Rochefort:Make sure you don't do mixes with perlite,
Line Rochefort:because the perlite, if ever it goes in the environment, it
Line Rochefort:floats and then amphibian can choke on that.
Adam Huggins:Line pointed us to the only peer-reviewed study
Adam Huggins:that we could find specifically on our question, which performed
Adam Huggins:a life cycle analysis of the environmental impacts of peat
Adam Huggins:extracted in Latvia compared to imported rock wool and coconut
Adam Huggins:coir. Latvia, incidentally, also exports about 85% of its peat,
Adam Huggins:just like Canada. The researchers found that the full
Adam Huggins:life cycle impact of coconut coir was seven times higher than
Adam Huggins:that of peat. Rockwool, significantly better than coir,
Adam Huggins:but still higher impact than peat.
Mendel Skulski:To our knowledge, there is yet to be a
Mendel Skulski:similar study on Canadian peat, but it's likely that the results
Mendel Skulski:would be pretty similar. So it would appear that all of the
Mendel Skulski:commercial alternatives to peat for horticultural use are at
Mendel Skulski:best, flawed and at worst, worse.
Adam Huggins:Still, does that mean that we should be using it?
Adam Huggins:We asked some of the other folks that we spoke to. This is Drew again.
Drew Elves:I bought peat for the first time in my life this
Drew Elves:past spring, and it was because we were planting bog Labrador
Drew Elves:Tea in this small pocket bog, this engineered bog in a Place
Drew Elves:of Medicine at UVic. How did it feel? Really complicated.
Mendel Skulski:And Richard is an interesting case, because in
Mendel Skulski:addition to being a bog restorationist, he's also a
Mendel Skulski:serious horticulturalist. Besides Burns Bog, his other big
Mendel Skulski:project is studying the productivity of potatoes under
Mendel Skulski:climate change. And he strikes a cautious note on the subject of peat.
Richard Hebda:I think for certain kinds of horticultural
Richard Hebda:uses, sphagnum peat is the best choice, and that would be things
Richard Hebda:like rhododendrons, things that require acidic environments.
Adam Huggins:As for the alternatives, he acknowledged
Adam Huggins:that there are lifecycle issues, but he turned the question on
Adam Huggins:its head a bit.
Richard Hebda:What's renewable on a short time scale? Coconut
Richard Hebda:husks, not sphagnum moss on peatlands.
Adam Huggins:And while he recognized the work of Line and
Adam Huggins:others in this area
Richard Hebda:Dr Rochefort has shown, yes, you can recover
Richard Hebda:small scale excavations of peat and bring back peat species, but
Richard Hebda:you have very strong constraints on what you can do.
Adam Huggins:He also argues that what is lost is more than
Adam Huggins:just carbon dioxide.
Richard Hebda:the consequences on large areas of feed land
Richard Hebda:being harvested for peat takes away millennia of organic matter
Richard Hebda:accumulation and disturbs that PEAT ecosystem. And on the basis
Richard Hebda:of what we need to use peat as just as an organic matter in
Richard Hebda:soil, I think it's not appropriate, not for large
Richard Hebda:scale. This is where we need to be growing all kinds of organic
Richard Hebda:matter and returning it to the ground and into our ecosystems
Adam Huggins:Like compost, he says. Lots of compost. It's not
Adam Huggins:a perfect peat substitute for some uses, but for others, it
Adam Huggins:definitely gets the job done.
Mendel Skulski:Yeah, I think we can all get behind that. So to
Mendel Skulski:finally summarize the answer to our question, synthesized from
Mendel Skulski:all of these conversations, in the style of Michael Pollan, use
Mendel Skulski:peat, not too much, and whenever possible, use compost instead.
Adam Huggins:And if you do use some peat, always keep in mind
Adam Huggins:that what you're using is part of a super organism.
Richard Hebda:The bog is a quintessential embodiment and
Richard Hebda:example of what goes on all over the natural ecosystems of our
Richard Hebda:Earth. So the hydrosphere, the water table, the atmosphere, the
Richard Hebda:source of the rain and the oxygen that they need, the
Richard Hebda:carbon dioxide that they need, the Geosphere, the physical
Richard Hebda:substrate upon which the conditions are such that the
Richard Hebda:sediments, the peat, can accumulate to support all the
Richard Hebda:living creatures, the living creatures of the raised bog,
Richard Hebda:which you can draw a circle around. It's a porous boundary,
Richard Hebda:but there is a boundary, and you can see it and understand it as
Richard Hebda:a physical structure living in equilibrium, a dynamic
Richard Hebda:equilibrium, that it's shaping for itself with the hydrosphere,
Richard Hebda:the atmosphere and the Geosphere. And now we face the
Richard Hebda:greatest challenge of all — where the social sphere is now
Richard Hebda:of a scale equal to the other four spheres in terms of shaping
Richard Hebda:the land, but not in equilibrium. And what's the
Richard Hebda:fundamental lesson from those other four spheres? They will
Richard Hebda:bring us back into equilibrium. And we all have to take
Richard Hebda:responsibility to speak for them. To listen to them and
Richard Hebda:speak for them.
Mendel Skulski:In this episode, you heard the voices of Robin
Mendel Skulski:Annschild, Richard Hebda, Drew Elves, Markus Merkens, Sarah
Mendel Skulski:Howie, and Line Rochefort. Music by yours truly, Thumbug, and
Mendel Skulski:Sunfish Moon Light.
Mendel Skulski:Special thanks to the Wetland Project, Brady Marks and Mark
Mendel Skulski:Timmings for letting us use a clip from their incredible 24
Mendel Skulski:hour recording of a marsh on ṮEḴTEḴSEN Saturna island, on
Mendel Skulski:unceded W̱SÁNEĆ territory. And to the organizers of the 2024
Mendel Skulski:SER North American Conference, Tony Ballard specifically, thanks.
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