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LFYC | S3 E20 – Obi Abuchi interviews Adeola Oludemi

On this week’s Leading from Your Core Podcast and Vodcast, Obi Abuchi interviews Adeola Oludemi.

Adeola began her career in engineering and earned chartered status with the Institution of Civil

Engineers, a field in which she spent more than 30 years. Whether leading volunteers in the charity

sector, teams of engineers building or maintaining infrastructure, or a workstream of a business change

program, her leadership success has always been around her relationships with her people.

Being in the minority (in some fashion) throughout most of her career necessitated a concerted effort to

cultivate relationships in order to establish the trust necessary for leadership.

Adeola's passion for people development eventually prompted her to quit engineering to pursue an MSc

in Coaching and Behavioural Change, allowing her to better assist others in realizing their full potential.

Her passion to help others through her leadership has led her to take on a part-time leadership position

with a children's charity as well as many trustee positions.

In this episode:

- The importance of building relationships on a human level to be an effective leader

- Sustaining a leadership legacy

- Discovering an infinite capacity by connecting with who you are

- Understanding the distinction between scarcity and abundance in your mindset

- Transitioning from a scarcity-mindset to one of abundance

- How to discover who we are uniquely

- Showing up fully in leadership

- Managing the drawbacks of authentic leadership


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LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/adeolaoludemi


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Transcripts

Obi Abuchi:

Wow.

Obi Abuchi:

Okay.

Obi Abuchi:

Hi everyone.

Obi Abuchi:

It's Obi.

Obi Abuchi:

Bucci here with the leading from your core podcast and podcast.

Obi Abuchi:

This show is dedicated to helping leaders all around the world.

Obi Abuchi:

Discover leadership, wisdom, stories, and insights that will enable you to tap into

Obi Abuchi:

the power of leading from the inside.

Obi Abuchi:

And I am delighted to welcome on the show today, Adela or Lu Demi,

Obi Abuchi:

um, ADLA is a leader and a coach with a technical background, uh,

Obi Abuchi:

which will be exploring shortly.

Obi Abuchi:

Uh, she started her career engineering.

Obi Abuchi:

She attained chartered status of the institution of civil engineers worked

Obi Abuchi:

in that sector for over 30 years.

Obi Abuchi:

And during that time, a key theme for DLA has been leadership

Obi Abuchi:

and building relationships and.

Obi Abuchi:

So she's got her passion for developing people, ultimately led her away from

Obi Abuchi:

engineering to embark on an MSC in coaching and behavioral change, which

Obi Abuchi:

has equipped her to support others in reaching their potential and that

Obi Abuchi:

desire to serve others, uh, through her leadership has also led her to take on

Obi Abuchi:

part-time leadership role with children's charity and several trustee roles.

Obi Abuchi:

So I am really looking forward to our conversation today at DLA.

Obi Abuchi:

It is exciting to have you on the show.

Obi Abuchi:

So

Adeola Oludemi:

welcome.

Adeola Oludemi:

Thank you.

Adeola Oludemi:

Thank you for having me.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's exciting to be here.

Obi Abuchi:

Um, it really is.

Obi Abuchi:

And I, um, Adele and I met at Hoffman's what's your story conference.

Obi Abuchi:

We were just reminiscing about it and talking about it before, uh, the show

Obi Abuchi:

started, uh, so some amazing themes that came out from your story that I'd

Obi Abuchi:

love to unpack now, but before we go there though, just so our listeners

Obi Abuchi:

and viewers get to know who you are.

Obi Abuchi:

We actually have something in common.

Obi Abuchi:

So, uh, both started as engineers and, and moved into leadership

Obi Abuchi:

and coaching and, and consulting.

Obi Abuchi:

The only difference though, is that I could only handle about three years of it.

Obi Abuchi:

And you were able to handle 30, uh, years of it.

Obi Abuchi:

But, uh, tell us a little bit about.

Obi Abuchi:

Why you moved away from engineering into coaching and, and leadership

Adeola Oludemi:

development?

Adeola Oludemi:

I, I guess, um, I, I came into engineering believing that I

Adeola Oludemi:

could do anything that I wanted.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, um, I remember one of my.

Adeola Oludemi:

Um, early bosses used to say that when I was a young graduate engineer,

Adeola Oludemi:

I believed I could change the world.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and so I came into it that way.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I think one of the reasons that I persisted was because I wasn't

Adeola Oludemi:

going to let somebody else, um, that, but actually what I missed was.

Adeola Oludemi:

The impact it was having on me on who I was on, how I showed up on, on my.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and at, at, at a point when I remember my, uh, my husband, I, I became,

Adeola Oludemi:

um, hypertensive at a really early age and it was diagnosed purely by chance.

Adeola Oludemi:

And my husband said to me, so what's the choice.

Adeola Oludemi:

Are you gonna stick with this with your stubbornness or.

Adeola Oludemi:

In which case who's gonna look after these children because

Adeola Oludemi:

you won't last and he's a medic.

Adeola Oludemi:

So he was talking from, he said, you won't last, so you need to make a

Adeola Oludemi:

different choice, but it's up to you.

Adeola Oludemi:

And so I then moved from construction, which is where I'd spent my first 20

Adeola Oludemi:

years into more infrastructure management for, for, in the aviation sector.

Adeola Oludemi:

But what I then found.

Adeola Oludemi:

Was on, on my journey, um, as an outsider, as a black woman in a

Adeola Oludemi:

white male dominated industry.

Adeola Oludemi:

The thing that enabled me to be successful were the relationships I

Adeola Oludemi:

built with people on a human level.

Adeola Oludemi:

At one, one of the things I always talk about was when I had quite

Adeola Oludemi:

a large workforce that I was leading for my direct reports.

Adeola Oludemi:

One of the things I did was I knew the name of all their spouses.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow, so that I connected with them on a human to human level.

Adeola Oludemi:

So because for them, it was a big stigma.

Adeola Oludemi:

Not only am I being led by a woman, but I'm being led by a black woman, where

Adeola Oludemi:

is there any other place around here that's being led by a black woman, but

Adeola Oludemi:

actually that black woman saw them.

Adeola Oludemi:

Connected with them on a human level.

Adeola Oludemi:

And so built a trust.

Adeola Oludemi:

And actually at some points, when things got really sticky, they, they just

Adeola Oludemi:

stood with me because one, they said I had integrity, but two, I saw them.

Adeola Oludemi:

But the thing that I found is as I rose up in the organization, my

Adeola Oludemi:

value set was just bumping in to the value set of a bottom line.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I get the bottom line.

Adeola Oludemi:

I get.

Adeola Oludemi:

Organizations need to make money, but I, I really feel that sometimes we

Adeola Oludemi:

sacrifice what we believe, um, as a what, what we're AF what we take as a

Adeola Oludemi:

short term win actually for building a long term relationship and, and

Adeola Oludemi:

building a legacy that will sustain.

Adeola Oludemi:

Sure.

Adeola Oludemi:

And so I, I'd kind of made a few changes and, and I'm a woman of faith.

Adeola Oludemi:

And so I kind of spent time reflecting and felt, nah, this is not doing me any good.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's not serving me.

Adeola Oludemi:

Well, I think I've proved myself.

Adeola Oludemi:

And actually I've got a whole lot of transferable skills

Adeola Oludemi:

that I can have some fun with.

Adeola Oludemi:

And so, yeah, and, and, and I guess the, the, the, at the end of it

Adeola Oludemi:

was, I, I listened to myself and I wasn't enjoying it anymore, so, mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

I took some different, I made some different choices.

Obi Abuchi:

wow.

Obi Abuchi:

Wow.

Obi Abuchi:

Thanks for sharing that.

Obi Abuchi:

So along, it sounds like some incredible lessons though, and experiences,

Obi Abuchi:

but also some unique challenges, cuz I, I know from my , um, what feels

Obi Abuchi:

like, you know, tiny moment in, uh, the engineering world, it is.

Obi Abuchi:

First of all male dominated.

Obi Abuchi:

Um, absolutely.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and I joined the graduate training, uh, program, uh, of the London

Obi Abuchi:

underground, uh, an engineering firm con contracted to London underground.

Obi Abuchi:

And I think there was only one.

Obi Abuchi:

Female in our, in our cohort and all of the others may maybe 2, 1, 1 or two.

Obi Abuchi:

Um, but so yeah, very, um, male dominated, first of all.

Obi Abuchi:

And then as you mentioned, then, um, predominantly.

Obi Abuchi:

For, to be already in the minority and then a bit of black woman engineer.

Obi Abuchi:

I can imagine some of the tension that, that brought and just reading between the

Obi Abuchi:

lines is, is, was that the bigger part of the tension that you faced it as well?

Obi Abuchi:

Cuz you talked about.

Obi Abuchi:

Just that comfort with the experience that you were having and some of

Obi Abuchi:

the pressures, was that a part of it for you or, or was it purely some

Obi Abuchi:

of the, just the bottom line and, and those, um, overarching values?

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, I, I think

Adeola Oludemi:

it was certainly part of it.

Adeola Oludemi:

Um, I, I, I remember I, I had a, a, a really.

Adeola Oludemi:

Really emotionally intelligent boss, quite late in my career.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I, in, in the organization I was working with, I went to do a

Adeola Oludemi:

presentation to the exec and he kind of said, what do you need?

Adeola Oludemi:

I said, I don't need anything.

Adeola Oludemi:

I kind of know what I'm going to present.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, um, I just need to feel a bit grounded.

Adeola Oludemi:

So just give me five minutes.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I kind of took five minutes, was grounded, went, delivered it to the

Adeola Oludemi:

exec and he kind of came out and.

Adeola Oludemi:

You absolutely smashed that.

Adeola Oludemi:

That was amazing.

Adeola Oludemi:

Yet.

Adeola Oludemi:

When I went to do the same presentations to my peers who were all white men, it

Adeola Oludemi:

was like you were in the classroom and they were all bickering and they didn't

Adeola Oludemi:

want to give you you their attention.

Adeola Oludemi:

And it was just.

Adeola Oludemi:

Why am I doing this?

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

I, I, I I've, I've, I've delivered this to people who are more knowledgeable,

Adeola Oludemi:

who are more impactful than you, but just because you, you see me as an outsider.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

Um, and you kind of want to make me feel small.

Adeola Oludemi:

You gather together like a bunch of bullies in the playground

Adeola Oludemi:

and, and just be disrespectful.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

And we had a really good conversation after that.

Adeola Oludemi:

And he said to me, well, you just need to see them as they are.

Adeola Oludemi:

They're like bullies in the playground, but.

Adeola Oludemi:

I don't have to stay in that environment.

Adeola Oludemi:

Sure.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's not good

Obi Abuchi:

for me.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

So being able to make that, that choice, that this is no longer serving

Obi Abuchi:

you, this is no longer helping you.

Obi Abuchi:

And as you said, your husband is saying, I don't know if your health

Obi Abuchi:

is going to survive this as well.

Obi Abuchi:

It, it, it's a, I, I know you said you took some time to reflect and,

Obi Abuchi:

and you realized you had some, you know, transferable skills.

Obi Abuchi:

But it's still a big deal making a transition from a career that

Obi Abuchi:

you've been in for 30 years into, you know, something new.

Obi Abuchi:

And I'd just love to explore some of the, the mindset that helped you with

Obi Abuchi:

that, because that's a, a big deal.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and it just I'll say this cause.

Obi Abuchi:

Something you said at the what's your story talk that really spoke

Obi Abuchi:

to me was this idea that our capacity as human beings is infinite

Obi Abuchi:

when we connect with who we are.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and that's such a powerful idea.

Obi Abuchi:

So just, yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Unpack for us the, that transition for you.

Obi Abuchi:

And how did you come to this place of really seeing more of your infinite

Adeola Oludemi:

capacity?

Adeola Oludemi:

So, so, so I think, um, I mean, you talked about, um, where we met, which

Adeola Oludemi:

was at yet Hoffman's enjoyable life.

Adeola Oludemi:

What's your story.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I I'm, I'm a declared addict of what's your story.

Adeola Oludemi:

If anybody listening has just needs a day of input it's in December.

Adeola Oludemi:

Just Google it.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's amazing.

Adeola Oludemi:

So we'll

Adeola Oludemi:

to one's events and there was a gentleman, I can't his name, but he

Adeola Oludemi:

talked about, um, How in his career, a lot of the decisions that he had made

Adeola Oludemi:

opportunities had come to him and he had just said, yes, now I'm a woman of faith.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and I kind of took that and, and rued with that.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I came to a place of the difference in the mindset was

Adeola Oludemi:

between scarcity and abundance.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm, wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

And for me, In the place of scarcity, there is fear.

Adeola Oludemi:

There is, um, anxiety.

Adeola Oludemi:

There is limited capability.

Adeola Oludemi:

There is the thing that you have to follow in the same thing that everybody

Adeola Oludemi:

else has done, because that's the only way to get to where you are going.

Adeola Oludemi:

I guess I was able through, I guess, reading and, and, and exposure recognize

Adeola Oludemi:

that actually we are, we are unique creatures, none of us, even if our

Adeola Oludemi:

gender's the same, even, even biological, biological twins are still different.

Adeola Oludemi:

mm-hmm . And so we have unique inputs, unique ways of comprehending those inputs.

Adeola Oludemi:

And if we hone in and discover who we are uniquely, we can harness

Adeola Oludemi:

that abundance that is out there.

Adeola Oludemi:

That means, yes, we need to be mindful of, of, of things.

Adeola Oludemi:

But there is an opportunity for us to build on who we are to discover

Adeola Oludemi:

who, what there is out there for us.

Adeola Oludemi:

Cause I remember when I kind of moved from, from engineering to, to leadership.

Adeola Oludemi:

Leadership development.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I, I kind of looked at some, some agencies and they were kind of

Adeola Oludemi:

saying, well, but you've gotta go back into what, what, you know, in

Adeola Oludemi:

order for, for, uh, people to give you opportunities in where you want to go.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I said, I'm not going back there.

Adeola Oludemi:

I'm not going back there.

Adeola Oludemi:

And so I had to then find my own way that work, that harnessed, who I was

Adeola Oludemi:

knowing, and, and it's not without.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's not without risk.

Adeola Oludemi:

I remember conversations with my husband where he kind of

Adeola Oludemi:

say, so do you have a plan?

Adeola Oludemi:

And I'll say, yeah, I've got a plan.

Adeola Oludemi:

I've got a plan, but the plan never works out the way you planned it out.

Adeola Oludemi:

That's just the way you, I

Obi Abuchi:

hear there difficult.

Obi Abuchi:

So were

Adeola Oludemi:

there difficult conversations?

Adeola Oludemi:

Yes, absolutely.

Adeola Oludemi:

But there was.

Adeola Oludemi:

That I knew that I had something.

Adeola Oludemi:

I knew that each day I showed up, I was enthusiastic.

Adeola Oludemi:

I was, I was, um, I was passionate.

Adeola Oludemi:

I was talking to people.

Adeola Oludemi:

I was going, I was networking as, as you do at various events and talking

Adeola Oludemi:

to people and, and getting feedback and, and, and that then kind of

Adeola Oludemi:

helped build who I, and, and bring confidence that yes, in the place of

Adeola Oludemi:

abundance, there are huge opportu.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

And that's, that's a place where we thrive.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

If we, if we, if we go into a place of scarcity, it's like being starving,

Adeola Oludemi:

you, you kind of just eat anything, but actually when, when you are healthy

Adeola Oludemi:

and balanced, you can pick what's what's right for you in that moment.

Adeola Oludemi:

And what you, what you eat today is not what you necessarily want to eat tomorrow.

Adeola Oludemi:

And you have that choice.

Obi Abuchi:

That's amazing.

Obi Abuchi:

Uh, I, I love that.

Obi Abuchi:

I love this emphasis on.

Obi Abuchi:

An abundance mindset over a scarcity mindset because it

Obi Abuchi:

plays out in so many ways, right?

Obi Abuchi:

Whether that is people feeling like there isn't enough recognition to go around.

Obi Abuchi:

So, so I can't recognize my people or I can't just share an opportunity because

Obi Abuchi:

if, if I share it, then what do I.

Obi Abuchi:

Have, um, absolutely.

Obi Abuchi:

Right.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and it's, I, I, for example, I talk about the fact I don't talk about, oh,

Obi Abuchi:

there's a limited pie and, you know, do you have a piece of the pie or do

Obi Abuchi:

you, I talk about this a infinite pie.

Obi Abuchi:

Yes.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and actually when you tap into this.

Obi Abuchi:

Sense of purpose and our uniqueness as individuals.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

We can create a pie for, we can create a pie from nothing.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and so that, that yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Is amazing.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and, and I love the fact that you also, you're just bringing to life.

Obi Abuchi:

This what's behind Guesty.

Obi Abuchi:

It is.

Obi Abuchi:

It really is it's it's fear.

Obi Abuchi:

And I often talk about the games leaders play and, and when leaders are playing

Obi Abuchi:

the ego game, they're very territorial, but that's driven by scarcity.

Obi Abuchi:

It's driven by fear.

Obi Abuchi:

Yep.

Obi Abuchi:

There isn't enough.

Obi Abuchi:

I don't have enough.

Obi Abuchi:

There's only enough for me, not enough for everybody else, but your, that

Obi Abuchi:

spirit of abundance helps you to.

Obi Abuchi:

See possibilities when other people simply see closed doors.

Obi Abuchi:

And

Adeola Oludemi:

so, and, and, and if anything has taught us about

Adeola Oludemi:

the fact that actually we have no control, surely it's COVID.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm,

Obi Abuchi:

mm-hmm absolutely.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah,

Adeola Oludemi:

absolutely.

Adeola Oludemi:

So, so if, if we, if we were in that place of, of scarcity, imagine what

Adeola Oludemi:

that did to people when COVID showed up.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

And everything that they protected their pie was was absolutely being decimated.

Adeola Oludemi:

And they had no idea how to create a new one from, from, from

Adeola Oludemi:

the resources that were within.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's just scary.

Adeola Oludemi:

It is absolutely scary.

Adeola Oludemi:

And so limiting and, and actually it, it doesn't have to be like that.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and, and I guess one of the concepts I, I have always had, and to be honest, I

Adeola Oludemi:

dunno where I got it from as a leader is my job as a leader in, in any, in, in a

Adeola Oludemi:

given context is to make myself redundant.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow, so that I, I, I build up my people.

Adeola Oludemi:

I equip them so that they, I can see them.

Adeola Oludemi:

I need to make space for them.

Adeola Oludemi:

So I need to go on and go on and find something else.

Obi Abuchi:

Sure, sure.

Obi Abuchi:

Wow.

Obi Abuchi:

Wow.

Obi Abuchi:

That's now I, I feel like it's worth just pausing there for a minute.

Obi Abuchi:

Be just for people to take that in because I I've.

Obi Abuchi:

That's a challenge for some leaders, right?

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, because it goes back to what's your mindset.

Obi Abuchi:

If your mindset is scarcity, then there's no way I wanna make myself

Obi Abuchi:

redundant because do you know what I

Adeola Oludemi:

mean?

Adeola Oludemi:

I have,

Obi Abuchi:

but when your mindset is abundance, cuz what I'm

Obi Abuchi:

hearing and what I'm seeing is just the incredible strength.

Obi Abuchi:

And perspective to say, I'm gonna make myself redundant.

Obi Abuchi:

Some people would look at it and say, but, but what will you have?

Obi Abuchi:

But what I see is, wow, now here's a woman.

Obi Abuchi:

Here's a leader that knows how to grow people.

Obi Abuchi:

And so if, even if you make yourself redundant there, then I

Obi Abuchi:

think I, I need someone like that.

Obi Abuchi:

A woman like that who knows how to grow people, but only an abundance

Obi Abuchi:

mindset helps you see that.

Obi Abuchi:

Rather than seeing it as, oh, I'm oh no.

Obi Abuchi:

I've lost the opportunity for myself.

Obi Abuchi:

And so many leaders hold onto positions and create these ceilings

Obi Abuchi:

for their people, cuz they're afraid, but I don't have anywhere to go.

Obi Abuchi:

Well, Keep growing, just it keep growing and there'll be other

Adeola Oludemi:

opportunities.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's it's I mean, one of my last roles I had probably about reports.

Adeola Oludemi:

When I, I, I left the team, I was still within the organization.

Adeola Oludemi:

I was doing something else and, um, Uh, they were giving an induction

Adeola Oludemi:

to one of the new exec members.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I was invited to come back just to kind of host the team and the, the exec

Adeola Oludemi:

member turned around to me and said, so is this your team, or is this his team?

Adeola Oludemi:

Because all I hear them talk about is all that you've done for them.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I said, well, it's not my team anymore, but that they, and eight of

Adeola Oludemi:

those people within 12 months of me leaving that, that team got promoted.

Adeola Oludemi:

Or no, for me, I've done my job.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm I've done my job.

Adeola Oludemi:

Cause I've gone onto something else, but have set them all up

Adeola Oludemi:

for success.

Adeola Oludemi:

I've done

Obi Abuchi:

my job.

Obi Abuchi:

That's as a leader, I've done my job.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

And that is, you know, just, I can imagine.

Obi Abuchi:

This lots of leaders and, and emerging leaders listen to this.

Obi Abuchi:

But if you think of an environment that you hear a lot, I, I hear this a lot.

Obi Abuchi:

People in organizations say, Hey, we wanna win the hearts and minds of our people.

Obi Abuchi:

We want them to be engaged.

Obi Abuchi:

Well, how does that happen?

Obi Abuchi:

It it's by leaders being the sort of people that say.

Obi Abuchi:

My job is to help these people grow.

Obi Abuchi:

My job is to remove the obstacles to them reaching more of their potential.

Obi Abuchi:

That's when you create an environment where people are high performing,

Obi Abuchi:

where they are engaged and, you know, we circle back to this idea.

Obi Abuchi:

Some of the blockers that stop leaders from doing that is this fear, um,

Obi Abuchi:

rather than dropping that down and really channeling their ego, um,

Obi Abuchi:

in the service of others and yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

In the bigger organization.

Obi Abuchi:

So that, that is amazing.

Obi Abuchi:

I, I want to go back to something you said earlier on and just to help

Obi Abuchi:

unpack that for our, our listeners and viewers, cause you said.

Obi Abuchi:

Just you, you refer to this idea of the resources within, and,

Obi Abuchi:

and I talk a lot about that.

Obi Abuchi:

Just leading from your core.

Obi Abuchi:

What's on the inside.

Obi Abuchi:

What, what are some of the, in your work now, especially as a, as a coach

Obi Abuchi:

and developing leaders, how do you help leaders recognize more of those

Obi Abuchi:

resources within so that they can unlock that and be more effective in.

Obi Abuchi:

Leadership.

Obi Abuchi:

I,

Adeola Oludemi:

I think, I think first and foremost, it's about,

Adeola Oludemi:

and, and, and you talk about it all the time about your purpose.

Adeola Oludemi:

What is it that is unique?

Adeola Oludemi:

About you, what is it that is unique about your PA, your interests,

Adeola Oludemi:

your passions, your experiences, that, that makes you who you are.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and that doesn't mean it all has to be about your successes, but also what are

Adeola Oludemi:

the things where you haven't done so well, but actually, what have you learned from.

Adeola Oludemi:

Because mistakes are, are opportunities to learn.

Adeola Oludemi:

Right?

Adeola Oludemi:

So, absolutely.

Adeola Oludemi:

What are the things that make you, who you are?

Adeola Oludemi:

What do you bring?

Adeola Oludemi:

So, so, so there's, there's absolutely some of that.

Adeola Oludemi:

And what are your values?

Adeola Oludemi:

So what's your purpose?

Adeola Oludemi:

What are your values?

Adeola Oludemi:

What is important to you and, and how can you, you use that for me in a way that.

Adeola Oludemi:

It serves you well, but serves those with, with whom you are in connection.

Adeola Oludemi:

Well, so whether that's your organization, whether that is, is, um, your, your

Adeola Oludemi:

community in some sense, but I think.

Adeola Oludemi:

My other thing with this about tapping into your resource within

Adeola Oludemi:

is about also your context.

Adeola Oludemi:

So I I'm a gen of a generation of, of women who were brought up and were

Adeola Oludemi:

told that we could have everything.

Adeola Oludemi:

Now.

Adeola Oludemi:

I don't say we can't.

Adeola Oludemi:

I think we can, but there's a timing to it.

Adeola Oludemi:

Sure.

Adeola Oludemi:

So thinking that you can sit and eat the whole Banque.

Adeola Oludemi:

All at once you will be sick.

Adeola Oludemi:

True . But if you take the different, um, courses and eat it over time, and

Adeola Oludemi:

not only do you, um, have a long lasting meal, but you savor the different tastes

Adeola Oludemi:

and flavors in that whole experience.

Adeola Oludemi:

So, so for me that there's something about understanding your

Adeola Oludemi:

context and your capacity today.

Adeola Oludemi:

What is it where, cause some of us are absolutely up for stretch.

Adeola Oludemi:

We have that capacity for stretch mm-hmm but some of us are in a

Adeola Oludemi:

place where we are not there yet.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and for me, one of the things that I bring as a coach

Adeola Oludemi:

is I always bring challenge.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's just what I bring, but also to just explore some of as Brene brown

Adeola Oludemi:

will say, what's the story I'm telling.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

And actually what, where is it based?

Adeola Oludemi:

Is it still, is it still serving me?

Adeola Oludemi:

Well, what assumptions are wrapped up in that story that I need to unpack?

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Love it.

Obi Abuchi:

My some incredible things there just, and.

Obi Abuchi:

It just speaks to how abundant that internal resource is.

Obi Abuchi:

Cuz you talked about purpose or really discovering your, your purpose

Obi Abuchi:

and how that that's something that, um, helps you to tap into more

Obi Abuchi:

of your, um, internal resources.

Obi Abuchi:

And I also like the fact that you draw on.

Obi Abuchi:

The challenges as well, the, the difficulties that we've had, and, and

Obi Abuchi:

that's also part of your own story and how you can serve the world.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and for example, so, um, my company, we've got a, a

Obi Abuchi:

team of coaches and we have.

Obi Abuchi:

A personal mastery academy, but one of the drivers for the personal

Obi Abuchi:

mastery academy, yes, it is helping leaders be more resilient.

Obi Abuchi:

Yes.

Obi Abuchi:

It's helping them be effective, but it's also helping them avoid burnout.

Obi Abuchi:

But I, I know that from personal experience, cause I remember, you

Obi Abuchi:

know, almost 10 years ago now facing burnout, um, suicidal thought it was

Obi Abuchi:

just such a dark time, but that darkness.

Obi Abuchi:

Has allowed me to speak into people's situations yes.

Obi Abuchi:

With, uh, with a purpose and with a clarity that before

Obi Abuchi:

that was merely theoretical.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, absolutely.

Obi Abuchi:

Uh, so it it's E even our pain.

Obi Abuchi:

And our challenges can really serve others and, and we begin

Obi Abuchi:

to it enriches our values.

Obi Abuchi:

Absolutely.

Obi Abuchi:

Some of what we want to, to do.

Obi Abuchi:

And I love this idea of context, just context.

Obi Abuchi:

What's the phase of life that I'm in.

Obi Abuchi:

What does progress look like?

Obi Abuchi:

You know, I just, I may not be able to eat the whole elephant right now, but I

Obi Abuchi:

can start with a, um, uh, a little bit.

Obi Abuchi:

So, um, some powerful things for.

Obi Abuchi:

Really tapping into our resources.

Obi Abuchi:

I, I'm curious, just going back to this idea of even our failures

Obi Abuchi:

and challenges can give us some richness to how we show up.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

I, I.

Obi Abuchi:

What's been one of your biggest kind of failures or defeats or challenges

Obi Abuchi:

but, and, but what has it taught you?

Obi Abuchi:

What, what have you learned from it?

Obi Abuchi:

And, um, I mean, obviously, you know, there's this bigger story you shared

Obi Abuchi:

of transitioning from engineering to coaching, but, but a particular

Adeola Oludemi:

favorite?

Adeola Oludemi:

I, I think, I think one of the, the biggest for me.

Adeola Oludemi:

is at a time when I was, I guess, in my words, colluding with the,

Adeola Oludemi:

with the scarcity narrative.

Adeola Oludemi:

Okay.

Adeola Oludemi:

So I, I, I was, I'd kind of come into engineering.

Adeola Oludemi:

I was all about getting chartered.

Adeola Oludemi:

I got chartered.

Adeola Oludemi:

And then there was, I guess, a pathway that I was told that

Adeola Oludemi:

that's the way you need to go.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I was kind of trying to fit myself into this mold.

Adeola Oludemi:

Um, everybody else, that's the way to go.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and I was trying to fit myself and there was just no way I was fitting and,

Adeola Oludemi:

and, and whether it's the things I said, whether it's the fact that, um, if I say,

Adeola Oludemi:

if I say it's red, it's because it's red.

Adeola Oludemi:

Not because somebody told me to say, it's red when it's pink, I don't do that.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and, and that became so, so, so there was a whole thing.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wrestling with this whole, well, if you don't comply, you won't progress.

Adeola Oludemi:

And actually, what does success look like?

Adeola Oludemi:

Is that my definition of success or somebody else's.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

And so, yeah, colluding with that, um, that scar, that narrative of scarcity

Adeola Oludemi:

leading me to a place of becoming unwell was probably one of my biggest.

Adeola Oludemi:

Failures.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and for me, what, what, what I found is, um, quite common in

Adeola Oludemi:

my journey is when I get to that place, I end up having to go back.

Adeola Oludemi:

So if, if, if I was kind of plotting a line, there would be a step

Adeola Oludemi:

where I'd go back and then I would reflect, learn, and then I would

Adeola Oludemi:

take off again and I'd take off at a.

Adeola Oludemi:

Much I suppose, higher velocity.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

Because I've, I've done that learning.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm

Obi Abuchi:

mm.

Obi Abuchi:

And,

Adeola Oludemi:

and, and that's been been, even in this transition, as I left

Adeola Oludemi:

engineering, there was an element of going back and, and so what did I bring?

Adeola Oludemi:

What are the transferable skills?

Adeola Oludemi:

What are the, the skills that I had acquired from my masters?

Adeola Oludemi:

So how am I gonna put them together and how am I gonna take off?

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow.

Obi Abuchi:

Wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

But yeah, certainly colluding with that narrative of scarcity

Adeola Oludemi:

and that appeared everywhere, everywhere.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and in my attitude, in my behavior, I, I remember, um, I, I

Adeola Oludemi:

remember in, in the organization I worked in, we had this major canteen

Adeola Oludemi:

mm-hmm and at one point I, I mean, I was regular going to the canteen.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I, I went into the canteen at a time when I'd made some key decisions around

Adeola Oludemi:

my career and the whole scarcity thing had gone and I was now exploring and,

Adeola Oludemi:

and somebody said to me, Is it the same?

Adeola Oludemi:

You, yours are softer.

Adeola Oludemi:

Your tone of voice is, is really soft.

Adeola Oludemi:

Your body is far more relaxed, said when you were in that other role, you

Adeola Oludemi:

were like some kind of field martial.

Adeola Oludemi:

You were, everything was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and now you are human.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

. And so it's not just about the work I was doing.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's how I was showing up how I was able and in a way that then prevented

Adeola Oludemi:

me from making the connections and some of the relationships I needed to

Adeola Oludemi:

harness in that place of abundance, because I myself was I wasn't there.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

That that's

Obi Abuchi:

really, um, You hear it often that we embody without even realizing it,

Obi Abuchi:

that it, it's not just a mental thing that we, we embody this scarcity, this fear.

Obi Abuchi:

Yes.

Obi Abuchi:

Um, the way, the way you are describing it, it sounds like the.

Obi Abuchi:

Might have been more of that command and control type of approach, right?

Obi Abuchi:

Absolutely.

Obi Abuchi:

Because listen, that this has gotta be delivered.

Obi Abuchi:

Otherwise my neck is on the line.

Obi Abuchi:

And so I'm gonna absolutely your on the line and yeah, the fact that

Obi Abuchi:

there was this tension for you, cuz you said it it's, these weren't your

Obi Abuchi:

words, but it sounds like you felt I'm not really being true to who

Obi Abuchi:

I want to be on the inside, but.

Obi Abuchi:

I dunno how to, how to get out of this.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and I imagine there are so many leaders in that situation.

Obi Abuchi:

It's like, I'm not being true to me, but, but it just feels like

Obi Abuchi:

this is the game I've got to

Adeola Oludemi:

play, right?

Adeola Oludemi:

Yes.

Adeola Oludemi:

Yes.

Adeola Oludemi:

And I was fighting and, and for me there was an incongruence.

Adeola Oludemi:

In, in who I really was and what in coaching, as we talk about it, what the

Adeola Oludemi:

system was requiring of me and mm-hmm and that incongruence was very real.

Adeola Oludemi:

And then the, the, the choice was for me to move within the system.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm-hmm , but that takes courage.

Obi Abuchi:

I was hoping that word would come out because it's an important one for

Obi Abuchi:

people to, it really does take courage.

Obi Abuchi:

It does.

Obi Abuchi:

It really does take courage.

Obi Abuchi:

This is I, I, so I, I describe.

Obi Abuchi:

These two games leaders play.

Obi Abuchi:

There's the ego game, which is all about scarcity and fear and dominance

Obi Abuchi:

and my empire, or there is the service game, which is about purpose and,

Obi Abuchi:

uh, and contribution and, and love.

Obi Abuchi:

And the thing that I get thrown back at me all the time is, but,

Obi Abuchi:

but Obi, what, what if you are.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, you want to play the service game, but all around you, it's all

Obi Abuchi:

of this ego and, and the system.

Obi Abuchi:

How do you do that?

Obi Abuchi:

And I, part of it we've been talking about now, and this was something that,

Obi Abuchi:

that you said as well at the conferences.

Obi Abuchi:

You gotta know who you are.

Obi Abuchi:

You've really gotta know your yourself and be clear about what you stand for.

Obi Abuchi:

Yes.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and not in every situation that doesn't necessarily mean, oh,

Obi Abuchi:

I've got to change careers or what, you know, in some cases it's, I'm

Obi Abuchi:

just gonna show up differently.

Obi Abuchi:

Yes.

Obi Abuchi:

Cause you've talked about that as well.

Obi Abuchi:

Just how am I showing up?

Obi Abuchi:

Am I, and am I showing up in a way that is true to me?

Adeola Oludemi:

So I'll, I'll give you an example.

Adeola Oludemi:

So, so one of the, the things I love that is true to me is color.

Adeola Oludemi:

I love color.

Adeola Oludemi:

Um, I, I particularly in the summer months, I was always into trying to

Adeola Oludemi:

find some African prints somewhere.

Adeola Oludemi:

And, and I remember we, we were.

Adeola Oludemi:

Maybe three or four story building.

Adeola Oludemi:

And we had a central staircase and I would often be seen in pink and

Adeola Oludemi:

yellow and all this, and I'd get my colleagues walk across me on the corridor

Adeola Oludemi:

saying, my goodness, can't you wear blue and gray, like the rest of us.

Adeola Oludemi:

What?

Adeola Oludemi:

The pink and orange and yellow.

Adeola Oludemi:

Can't you just where can't you just conform.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

I went to work for a leader who.

Adeola Oludemi:

Would see me in my yellow.

Adeola Oludemi:

I had this at the time I had a yellow and pink dress, really bright African French.

Adeola Oludemi:

And he turned around and said, that's my sunshine just turned.

Adeola Oludemi:

Wow.

Obi Abuchi:

Wow.

Obi Abuchi:

Wow.

Adeola Oludemi:

So who would you give discretional effort to?

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm mm.

Adeola Oludemi:

Or be who would you give discretional effort to the person who calls you a

Adeola Oludemi:

sunshine or a person who looks at you and tells you, you just need to conform?

Obi Abuchi:

Mm.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Uh, that that's wow.

Obi Abuchi:

A and the thing, just listening to this as an observer, I think that those

Obi Abuchi:

leaders who are looking for conformity who are looking for group, think

Obi Abuchi:

they limit the organization, right.

Obi Abuchi:

They limit the potential, they limit the effectiveness, but here you are saying,

Obi Abuchi:

well, someone's saying that's my sunshine.

Obi Abuchi:

And you.

Obi Abuchi:

Hey, I want to give more there.

Obi Abuchi:

There's absolutely more I, I can give.

Obi Abuchi:

And so this is a, a critical message for leaders thinking actually, is it possible?

Obi Abuchi:

By me not showing up fully and expecting people to conform that I'm limiting

Obi Abuchi:

the potential of my people, my people.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

How do you show up as courageously as possible?

Obi Abuchi:

Because that gives people permission to show up fully as themselves.

Obi Abuchi:

Yes.

Obi Abuchi:

As well.

Obi Abuchi:

And so, so it does take courage, but everyone wins when people are able

Obi Abuchi:

to bring the best of themselves to.

Obi Abuchi:

To whatever initiative or whatever venture they are, um, working on.

Obi Abuchi:

So, and

Adeola Oludemi:

I think, I think the thing that is also helpful though, is that there

Adeola Oludemi:

is now evidence that where people are authentic and where you have diversity in

Adeola Oludemi:

your workforce, it improves your bottom.

Adeola Oludemi:

It improved indeed.

Adeola Oludemi:

Indeed.

Adeola Oludemi:

Your PNL.

Adeola Oludemi:

So why wouldn't you do it?

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Why wouldn't, I mean, that, that's a good question.

Obi Abuchi:

Right?

Obi Abuchi:

And for some people it's.

Obi Abuchi:

They don't know how to, while they're not comfortable.

Obi Abuchi:

And, and this is where they need to acknowledge, help,

Obi Abuchi:

get help, get support, right.

Obi Abuchi:

And draw on E even being able to acknowledge as a leader.

Obi Abuchi:

It's how I know this is important, but I'm not really sure how we need to do it.

Obi Abuchi:

Let's figure let's work at this together.

Obi Abuchi:

Yes.

Obi Abuchi:

Um, can be incredibly, um, enabling, uh, I love it.

Obi Abuchi:

I love it.

Obi Abuchi:

I, I wanna.

Obi Abuchi:

We've had so many rich things that we've talked about.

Obi Abuchi:

I, I, I wanna end on a question, just a piece of advice, really from you to

Obi Abuchi:

leaders about what would you say to leaders who are wrestling with this and,

Obi Abuchi:

um, wrestling with this tension of not being true to themselves, feeling like.

Obi Abuchi:

They desire to be more authentic, but they they're dealing with some

Obi Abuchi:

of their own fears about whether, what the backlash might be, what

Obi Abuchi:

they might lose, if they desire and choose to become more authentic.

Obi Abuchi:

What, what advice would you give to leaders who are eager operat

Obi Abuchi:

could operate in, in this healthier

Adeola Oludemi:

way?

Adeola Oludemi:

I, I, what I would say is, I think it's important to listen to your heart.

Adeola Oludemi:

So if they desire.

Adeola Oludemi:

To operate authentically, then that is something they need to take seriously,

Adeola Oludemi:

because it impacts as we've talked about already, how they show up.

Adeola Oludemi:

However, what I would also say is that in the mindset of scarcity and, and you

Adeola Oludemi:

talked about earlier command and control.

Adeola Oludemi:

There, there is a tendency to plot a route to the desired outcome

Adeola Oludemi:

as if you've got control over it.

Adeola Oludemi:

When you don't really in this context, I would say take the first step, decide

Adeola Oludemi:

how big or small you feel able to, um, to, to, to go and take the first step.

Adeola Oludemi:

And notice, give yourself permission to notice the impact of a small first step,

Adeola Oludemi:

and you'll be blown away at just making small adjustments aligned with who you

Adeola Oludemi:

are aligned with you being authentic.

Adeola Oludemi:

Take the small step and notice.

Adeola Oludemi:

And you'll be encouraged to take the next step.

Adeola Oludemi:

Yeah.

Adeola Oludemi:

And the next step . Yeah.

Adeola Oludemi:

And before you know it, you've got momentum

Obi Abuchi:

amazing.

Obi Abuchi:

Now that that's brilliant cause this, for some people it can feel daunting.

Obi Abuchi:

Right?

Obi Abuchi:

You've never done this before.

Obi Abuchi:

So two great pieces of advice there.

Obi Abuchi:

You want to.

Obi Abuchi:

Operate more authentically as a leader than, Hey, listen to your heart.

Obi Abuchi:

It is telling you something good for you.

Obi Abuchi:

Good for your people.

Obi Abuchi:

Good for your health.

Obi Abuchi:

Good for your family.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

But, um, don't feel like you've gotta be able to control it.

Obi Abuchi:

Um, just take that first step and take the next and the next and, um, love it.

Obi Abuchi:

You get to that place of momentum.

Obi Abuchi:

And,

Adeola Oludemi:

and we talked about the system earlier.

Adeola Oludemi:

Once you start being authentic, the system colludes with you.

Adeola Oludemi:

Mm,

Obi Abuchi:

that's F that and by that you mean supporting you?

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, right?

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

Yeah.

Obi Abuchi:

That's incredible.

Obi Abuchi:

Hey, um, so many rich, uh, stories and insights.

Obi Abuchi:

Idel, I've really enjoyed having you on the show and your thank

Obi Abuchi:

you for sharing your story, um, authentically as well, and wishing you

Obi Abuchi:

incredible success as you go on to.

Obi Abuchi:

Uh, a even greater impact as a coach and as a developer of people, uh,

Obi Abuchi:

than you did as, uh, an engineer.

Obi Abuchi:

So, um, thanks again for coming

Adeola Oludemi:

on.

Adeola Oludemi:

Thank you so much for having me.

Adeola Oludemi:

It's been great to explore and yeah.

Adeola Oludemi:

And share, and.

Adeola Oludemi:

And yeah, just have a good, a great conversation.

Adeola Oludemi:

Thank you very much.

Obi Abuchi:

You're welcome.

Obi Abuchi:

You're welcome.

Obi Abuchi:

And to all our listeners and viewers, I hope you enjoyed, uh, the show and

Obi Abuchi:

listening in on the conversations and do take to heart the insights and.

Obi Abuchi:

Tips that Adela has shared.

Obi Abuchi:

And remember that if you want to be a courageous and resilient

Obi Abuchi:

leader, if you want to live life on purpose and with purpose, then

Obi Abuchi:

it starts from the inside out.

Obi Abuchi:

Have a great day and see you on the next show.

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00:38:39
6. S3E6: Leading with Character, interview with Yetunde Hofmann
00:41:44
5. S3E5:Leading with Character, interview with Curtis Harren
00:42:19
4. S3E4: Leading with Character, interview with Rick Charlton
00:46:42
3. S3E3: Leading with Character, interview with Ian Joseph
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2. S3E2: Leading with Character, Interview with Marc Allera
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1. S3E1: SPECIAL EDITION: CHANGE MAKERS, interview with Katy Murray
00:43:01
10. S2E10: Mental Resilience Among Leaders, interview with Wendy Cartwright
00:38:44
9. S2E9: Mental Resilience Among Leaders, interview with Toye Oshunbiyi
00:44:10
8. S2E8: Mental Resilence Among Leaders, interview with Femi Omere
00:47:14
7. S2E7: Mental Resilience Among Leaders, interview with Ashutosh Garg
00:29:14
6. S2E6: Mental Resilience Among Leaders, interview with Matt Ovenden
00:33:32
5. S2E5: Mental Resilience Among Leader, interview with Leonard Fom
00:37:03
4. S2E4: Mental Resilience Among Leaders, interview with James Miller
00:33:29
3. S2E3: Mental Resilience Among Leaders, interview with Perry Timms
00:34:34
2. S2E2: Mental Resilience Among Leaders, interview with Dimi Cholakov
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1. S2E1: Mental Resilience Among Leaders, interview with Garry Turner
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15. S1E15: BOOK CLUB, Thank You
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14. S1E14: BOOK CLUB, Walk the Talk
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13. S1E13: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 10, Nurture Empowering Beliefs
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12. S1E12: BOOK CLUB, Chapter9, Cultivate Rewarding Habits
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11. S1E11: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 8, Live with an Optimistic Worldview
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10. S1E10: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 7, Align Your Life Around Clear Values
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9. S1E9: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 6, Prepare to Transform
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8. S1E8: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 5: The Currency of Leadership
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7. S1E7: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 4, The Heart of Leadership
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6. S1E6: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 3: The Audacity to Focus Within
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5. S1E5: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 2: What You Really Think About Leadership Matters
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4. S1E4: BOOK CLUB, Chapter 1: It's Costing Us
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3. S1E3: Book Club, Introduction
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2. S1E2: BOOK CLUB, Preface
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1. S1E1: BOOK CLUB, Welcome
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trailer S1: Trailer - Descript
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