Welcome back to Mindful Moolah, the podcast dedicated to holistic financial wellness! In this episode, hosts Luke Erickson and Lance Hansen kick off part three of their journey through the 8 Dimensions of Wellness—focusing on environmental wellness and its surprising connections to your money mindset and financial health. If you’ve ever felt the stress of clutter, struggled to find a peaceful space to plan your finances, or wondered whether your physical environment might be affecting your wallet, this is an episode you won’t want to miss.

Luke and Lance dive into how the spaces where we live, work, and play shape our emotional clarity, physical health, productivity, and ultimately, how well we manage our money. You’ll hear relatable stories—from college roommates’ messy habits and lost socks to the joys of sunlight in the winter and raising indestructible houseplants. With plenty of laughs and practical wisdom, our hosts show that environmental wellness is much more than recycling or organizing a junk drawer—it’s about creating rejuvenating spaces that fuel financial well-being.

Key Topics Discussed:

1. The meaning of environmental wellness beyond “going green”—from decluttering homes and cars to personalizing workspaces
2. How clutter and disorganization can drain mental energy, escalate stress, and impact your ability to manage bills and financial records
3. The importance of “rejuvenating spaces”—places (big or small) that offer peace, reflection, and a break from chaos
4. The relationship between physical health, activity-friendly environments, and low-cost opportunities to improve wellness
5. The danger of being “house poor” and overspending on your dream home or lifestyle at the expense of overall financial balance
6. Real-life pitfalls like cluttered financial paperwork, toxic work environments, and the lure of unaffordable status symbols (like that impulse pool purchase!)
7. Simple but powerful routines to keep spaces organized, boost productivity, and foster a mindful approach to money

Key Takeaways

1. Clutter Hinders Clarity—and Your Finances: A messy environment isn’t just an eyesore; it increases stress, reduces focus, and can even lead to lost bills and missed payments. Regularly declutter to free your mind and streamline your money management.
2. Rejuvenating Spaces Boost Wellbeing: Create areas at home and work that offer peace, sunlight, fresh air, or green space. These physical retreats help recharge your emotional batteries and foster clarity for financial decisions.
3. Balance is Better Than Perfection: You don’t need a Pinterest-perfect home or office—just spaces that feel safe, organized, and supportive of your lifestyle and financial goals. Avoid overspending in the pursuit of perfection (don’t go “house poor”!).
4. Your Environment Extends Beyond Stuff: Noise, air quality, sunlight, and even the people around you influence your wellness. Mindful choices about where you live, work, and socialize can have a real impact on both your health and your finances.
5. Build Better Habits, Not Cleaning Marathons: Sustainable routines—like tidying up during work breaks or minimizing unnecessary possessions—are more effective than occasional massive cleaning sessions. Small, daily actions keep spaces manageable and stress in check.
6. Personalize and Uplift Your Space: Surround yourself with items, plants, art, or quotes that bring a smile and spark positive memories. A personalized environment supports your mental, emotional, and financial wellness journey.

Ready to boost your environmental (and financial) wellness? Start by making one small change—organize your desk, open a window for fresh air, or donate what you no longer need. Share your progress and photos with us! Subscribe to Mindful Moolah wherever you get your podcasts, leave a review, and tell a friend. Next episode: we’re talking Intellectual Wellness and how it connects to every part of your financial life. Join us on the journey to a clutter-free, balanced, and financially mindful you!

Learn more about environmental well-being in this article from the University of Idaho Extension: https://www.uidaho.edu/extension/publications/bul-1106

Plus, watch Luke and Lance make Environmental Wellness fun and simple in episode 3 of the Moolahed digital series: https://youtu.be/L4MfIrhPhAs

Welcome back to Mindful Moolah where we talk about holistic financial wellness. This week we are on part three, which is environmental wellness. Last week we talked a little bit about emotional wellness and that was a really fun, really fun discussion the way that our emotional wellness can impact our finances and vice versa. Today we're going to talk a little bit about our environment and how that can interact with our finances. So when it comes to environment, that is an all encompassing term and we're not necessarily talking about in the traditional sense. People talk about environment like let's recycle, let's keep our spaces green, blah, blah, blah. Like that's a little bit part of what we're talking about today.

But mostly we're just talking about the space, spaces we occupy, places we live in, places we work, where we play and you know, how that can impact our well being and impact our finances and vice versa.

Just, I'm just thinking over the years and places I've lived how that living space affected me either emotionally or mentally or whatever when, when the space was clean, it was just easier to, to function and to move forward when things weren't clean and they were cluttered. And man, I can, you know, I'm thinking back to my college days and I had some roommates that were like slobs and I'm just apologize guys if you are my roommate somewhere on the road there, if they, if they chime in on this. But man, some of them were slobs and not clean and it upset me and I let it bug me and man, it affected my grades, it affected a lot of stuff. And yeah, and some of that was probably my own fault because I let it affect me that much. But man, keeping a clean space without clutter leads to some good clarity and sometimes it always can't be that way. And acceptance is, is a hard thing for some people to, to, to lean into is like I, I may accept the fact that this isn't going to get done or cleaned right now, but it'll, I'll get it done as soon as I can. But man, life is a lot better when there's organization and cleanliness. You just feel better, you feel cleaner.

And I'll be honest with you, there's nothing worse than going to someone's house and their cats on the, on the countertops, licking out of the, licking out of the cereal bowl.

Man, I liked what you were getting at because if you can picture extreme examples of clutter. I like what you're saying. Like in a college roommate situation Imagine. Imagine you had a roommate. Whether you actually experienced this or not, just imagine it that you had college roommates made that was just. Just a complete slob, just all. Never picking anything up, just leaving everything a wreck, like a tornado hit it. For me, it's not that hard to imagine because my kids are pretty much this way.

But as much as I love them, everywhere they go, it's a tornado. So. Yeah. And. And then you start to think, well, how do you feel when you're living in clutter? Especially when it's. It's bad enough when it's your own clutter, but it's. It's even more so when it's somebody else's. And, you know, you start to build resentment and you also.

It just makes it harder to function, just like daily life. Right. So I think that's a really great example to start with as we start this conversation now. It's not the only example. There are all sorts of environments we'll be talking about today, but that's a. That's a really, really great place to start from. A cluttered versus an organized environment. Right.

As one of my daughters, my oldest of the two would say, the world is my laundry basket. And I find her socks everywhere. Car, house. I found one in my work bag one day and I was like, gross. Yeah. I was like, what in the heck? I mean, do you just do this on purpose? I mean, is there a sock troll in the house?

Right. And I bet you. I bet you she's always complaining that she can never find her socks too.

Right?

Like, where are my socks? I said, yeah, they're everywhere, except where you need them. Yeah.

And none of them are clean. None of them are clean. I mean, maybe we gotta wash these things. These socks could walk away on their own or stand on their own or whatever. Right?

Yeah.

Fun times.

So when it comes to, you know, kind of defining environmental wellness, we can expand it a little bit. It's not just your home, it's not just your office. It can include your car, your yard, any place you store things. Right. And it can even include things like. Sorry. Like light noise, like air quality, safety. It's just all the things around us that either make our lives more pleasant or less pleasant.

Right. And so the. The idea that we'll talk a little bit about today is this idea of, like, rejuvenating spaces. Spaces where you feel like you are. You can rest and you can just be at peace, and things seem to be somewhat in order, you know, and that's a great place to Launch from when you're talking about wellness in other areas of your life. Right.

And I think some of this too, as we talked about emotional wellness, having an environment where you can feel emotionally in a good space.

Yeah.

And man, when you're in a good space mentally and you have a space where you can relax, that helps with that clarity and that pulse thought where you're like, I can sit down, I can look at my budget, I can look at my bills, I can, I can work things out to where you can make ends meet because you have that clarity, you have that environment where you can make things happen in a good way and there's no emotional stress or any of that.

Yeah, exactly. You know, and I liked what you're talking about. Like even the people in our life compose our environment now. We do have a whole separate, you know, dimension that we'll talk about social wellness so we won't dive too much into the people that we surround ourselves with. But really, you think about it, that's still part of our environment.

Well, you know, also that, that there's that self care part when it comes to that, what we were talking about last week, that emotional part that comes with this too, you know, that, that environmental wellness takes some, takes some, some work on our part to make sure we're, we're making sure our spaces and, and areas that we are at are organized in such a way that we feel good, you know. Right.

And overall just like uplifting to the lives and lifestyle that we want. Right. Yeah. So I want to talk a little bit about physical wellness and how that interacts with environmental wellness. One, one thing that I like is pretty important to me is having accessible, just call them like green spaces and it doesn't necessarily have to be like parks or anything. But I, you know, through my life I've lived in a lot of different places and my favorite places that I would, that I've lived are places that are close to places that are easy to be active in. Right. So I, I, I don't know.

Did you ever live in Logan Lance when you went to Utah State? So me too. We were there at different times, I think, but both at Utah State. But I, I lived not too far from the canyon there. There are actually two canyons pretty close, which is just really like a luxury. And I would go to both of them either to run or to ride my bike or something like that. And I absolutely loved it because it's like, you know, the end of the day, afternoon, evening, finish classes, classwork, and then I would Go home, grab my bike and then just go for a bike ride. And helped clear my head. It was really accessible, really easy to do.

Right. It's like, didn't take much effort to actually get out there in a beautiful scenery, fresh air, clear my head, that type of thing. And so, you know, paying attention to an environment like that, like, you know, how, how easy is it in your living space to be able to just get out and be active and that can include your yard, that can include your neighborhood, nearby trails, things like that. That's also part of your environment that I think can be pretty important and can really have an effect on your physical health. Right?

Yeah, it's super important to be out there, be active. And the beauty about having green spaces, like you're saying, Luke, it doesn't cost any money to go to those places. You know, to get on a bike, to go on a bike, trail, disc golf or whatever you're doing, it doesn't cost anything. But man, it sure is a mental boost to have that fresh air and to get some of that vitamin D. And you know, as you used to live here in, in Rexburg, Rick B area where I'm at. Yeah. Sun's a luxury. It only lasts so long and then the rest, it's, it's like six months winter.

Six months or you know, sunlight. Not gonna say it's always warm, but.

As I said, you get like three pretty nice months in Rexburg and then the other ones are just, it's a crap shoot. You never know.

You never know. You just don't know. I, you know, I get out and get a lot of exercise shoveling snow. Woohoo.

But yeah, so if you want physical activity, you live in a snowy, snowy place where you're constantly shoveling.

Yeah. And you know, you get, oh golly, driving in snow. And we have this other university here in Rexburg and you get people that have never driven in snow. And let's just say I pull over and I get my pre dinner Whopper, you know, to, to make sure I, you know, I can have that because it might be my last. I'm just saying some of these people are scary drivers. Last.

I like how you worked. End of the conversation. That was, that was very organic way to do.

Yeah. And the sad thing is, last mill a whopper from Wendy's.

Yeah, look, there's worse, there's worse things. And you know, you're getting your vegetables on that whopper, so.

Yeah, getting your vegetables. Yeah.

How bad could it be?

Yeah, there you go.

So I like what you're talking about sunlight. And because you nailed it, I, you know, I grew up in eastern Idaho and I remember as a kid we had this big window that faced east. So in the morning, the sun, the sunlight would come in and it was nice. Like you just kind of go there, just sit in the sun, kind of wake you up, kind of warm your body up. So especially the wintertime, that always felt nice. So it's one of those types of things. Whether we're talking about green spaces, places with trails, things like that, or the sunlight that you get in your house, a lot of times those are things that we don't actually really think about when we're purchasing a home or just deciding where to live. But those are things that can genuinely impact your well being.

And so again, it's those environmental choices that come along with, you know, choices of where, where to live, where to work, where to play, all those sorts of things. And along with that is not just physical, but, and I don't know how much we've talked about this, Lance, but I, I do meditation here and there. I found that's a really good tool for me, usually do it in the mornings. And my favorite place to do it is again, you know, someplace close to nature, someplace with some sunshine and, you know, that can heighten and, and help build, you know, your spiritual and intellectual wellness as well. Just as you meditate on things, meditate on your life, on meaning on purpose, things like that.

Yeah, those all, you know, and having a space to do that in is, is important, or identifying a space that works for you. And I, I think that's one thing that is super important when it comes to this whole will of these eight dimensions of health. I mean, having that clarity of mind and being in a frame of mind where you can work through things, especially you know, finances, family, all the different things that we're involved in on a daily basis, it can get pretty trying, it can get pretty, pretty hard. And I, you know, it gets, it gets hard, life gets hard sometimes. And understanding these things and how it all plays back to, you know, you know, since we're, you know, all mindful about our moolah or money, having those spaces is important.

Absolutely. And, and it's just like we were talking about. It's just like a space that's free of clutter, a space that brings you peace, a space that feels like a refuge, like away from, you know, chaos of the world, whether it's your family or it's just work, stress, things like that. It's Important to have some of those kind of. Kind of like safe spaces, I suppose, where you can go and just, you know, collect yourself and then get back out into regular life, which can sometimes be pretty chaotic. So we will. We will tie this into finances, of course, because that's what our show is about. But I did want to really quick talk about workplace environments and how important that can be, because not only can it cause stress and anxiety if your workplace is cluttered, it can also affect your productivity, which of course can affect your financial gains.

So what do you think about that, Lance?

Definitely. Definitely.

Your workplace looks nice. You gotta. Behind you. You know, like, little peaceful plan that you can, you know, just meditate by or whatever. You know, take a break.

And I have my fun stuff. Let me see if I can get this in on here.

Yeah.

Oh, oh, back up. Gotta go up a bit here. You know, I got my sandlot quote, you know, everyone. You got. Yeah, I mean, that. That kind of stuff right there, I mean, it brings. Takes me back. It brings you joy.

It's like, makes you laugh, right?

Yeah. Yes. You know, sleeping out on the trampoline, hanging with the buddies, that kind of stuff. That nostalgic stuff, too. That's a big thing when you have positive things from your past that just help you keep going in the. In the present. You know, just thinking about good times and. Golly, that.

I'm sorry, I'm gonna rant for a little bit here. I'm not gonna rant. I'm just gonna go off topic here.

Do it.

But it's on topics, but it's off.

As long as you bring the Whopper into it, we're good.

It's on or off? No, no, Whopper. It was funny. So I. I coach soccer with a guy. He graduated same year I did 98. Right. And I was like, dude, I remember where I was at when the first Offspring album came out and it was a cassette. I remember where I was at, what car I was in.

I remember pushing that thing in. I was in an 86 grand a.m. two door, had a little sunroof thing on it that sucked and leaked. But that was an awesome album.

I'm just saying that was a defining life experience right there.

Yeah, right there. I remember that album. The other one was Foo Fighters Everlong. I remember buying that cd. And yeah, it has some great songs on it. So. But yeah, that. That kind of stuff.

Yeah, just brings you back to a moment where life, even though then it seemed complicated, it really wasn't comparative, you know, compared to the Stuff we deal with now. And it was just slower. But, you know, it seems like the older we get, the importance of having these things that we're talking about, I mean, it, it helps. You really think these are important, and this is why. Because it seems like time flies, right? It just goes by so much so faster than it was. And. Yeah, golly, I mean, you think about. They say 50s over the hump.

I'm like, what do I have to look forward to? I can live another 20 years and then I can die, right? But no, no, I'm not gonna die. But I'm just saying having those spaces is super important and having those things to think back on too, and focusing in, on the good things. Because I think sometimes we get caught up in the. In the negative and.

Right.

And then we're like, the what ifs and the regrets. I'm like, no, don't, don't. Don't go down that road. It's not worth it.

Well, I, I like the way that you're framing this. It's that idea that our physical environment is really important, but it's also important to keep our. Our, you know, our thoughts are basically just our head in a good place as well, which is pretty much same concept. It's like make your. Make your thoughts positive, uplifting, peaceful, instead of dwelling, ruminating on negative thoughts. Right. And that can make a huge difference too, in your. In your outlook.

So. So, yeah, well, so let's talk this, or let's tie this into finances as we always do. And there are many things that we could talk about, but I. I want to talk about this concept of being house poor, because that is something I've actually experienced in my life, and it's not very fun. So the concept of being house poor means that you actually find a really good house. And it's one that maybe, like we talked about, is. Is maybe even in a good space, green space has good sunshine and that type of thing. But what happens is you spent a little bit too much, too much money on that, and then you no longer have balance in your life with finances.

So there, There is such a thing as, you know, spending too much time and money and effort on making your. Your house, you know, perfect, the perfect size or the perfect location. You know, life's a balance. And so as important as it is to find places with green spaces and all that, it's also important to make sure that you're not spending so much on that, that you're no longer able to keep your finance life in balance. So Again, it's a yin and yang, it's a back and forth, it's a balance and it's just trying to balance all of these dimensions at once to, to the best of our abilities, we're never going to get it quite perfect. But trying to balance it I think is important.

Yeah, being in a situation where you're so strapped to make that minimum or two, keep that house payment current, I mean you're one, one small appliance breakdown away from, you know, a complete financial meltdown, which like you said, man, that harmony, I mean a water heater, $600, I mean that can throw you completely out of whack if you don't have it. But yeah, super important, these planning things to make sure that there is some balance.

Right. And so another topic, you know, we talk, we start talking about clutter and disorganization. But what happens when that clutter and disorganization is actually your, you know, financial records, it's bills, it's, you know, other, you know, financial obligations that your taxes, for example, and you're not, you're not able to find what you actually need or it takes you a long time to find it. And it really just adds to the stress and the anxiety around trying to keep and maintain your financial life, staying on top of your payments, your bills, your other obligations. So a disorganization not only affects your peace of mind and your well being, but it can also directly affect your finances. If you miss a bill that can really affect your credit score, it can cost you late payments, all sorts of things.

Things. You know, that's interesting that it led to this topic that we're down this road. I was having a discussion with, with my, with Lyle, my brother. You, since you guys work together, you know him really well, so.

Right, right. Yeah, I used to work with Lyle.

Yeah, we're talking to a young man and he's like, I can never afford a house. So he's got this mindset that based off the housing market, he's never going to be able to afford a house. So guess what? He spends everything and says, I'm not going to worry about it, I'm just going to do this. But give it an attempt, start saving up some money so you can have that space and it's not that far away if you take the time to map it out. I mean, he could, you know, like I said, the housing market right now, it's, you know, 2025, June 3rd, starting to soften a little bit here in Idaho. That opportunity is going to come up for him even where he's at in St. George, Utah. That.

That young man, it's going to soften up for him, but he's got to be prepared. You got to be prepared to strike when the iron is hot. And, you know, and I hate. I saw this TikTok or some short YouTube short video. This guy's like, hey, I got this pool. And he's like, I'm so cool, man, because I got this pool, and guess what? I'm not paying a dime for it. I got it on credit. I'm not making any payments.

But I got a pool, and my neighbors are all asking me how I can afford it. Well, truth is, I can't. They can come take it anytime they want. My dude. Yeah, ruin your credit, get a lien on your house, whatever, dude. Yeah, eventually it's going to catch up to you. Don't just. Golly, man.

My favorite thing to say to young people, don't do dumb things. Go do dumb things. That's a dumb thing, right? Because who. Who is. Who is that guy, you know, screwing over? Because they did work, they did labor, they put this pool in. Somebody had to pay for that. If he's not willing to pay for it, you know who's getting screwed over because of his poor decisions?

Yeah.

Good way to make friends, right?

All right.

Sorry. No, it works.

And the pool is a good example because it's the idea. It's like, well, a pool helps make your environment feel a better, like a. A more peaceful place, a more fun place. You know, that type of thing. Put a pool in your backyard, it's like, okay, great. It's. It gives you something to do in the hot months of the summer. You can invite people over.

Like, that's. That can. That can be a positive thing for your environment. But again, it's. At what cost? It has to be balanced, right? And in the case of what you're saying, well, you can't afford it, let's say that it dings your credit. That can affect the things that you're able to purchase in the future. That could even affect your job, your promotions, different things like that. And so again, it's all about a balance.

The pool is good, but at what cost?

Yeah, I mean, golly, getting collection calls. Yeah, come take the pool anytime you want. Come take it. It's like, dude, right? I'm going to come over, beat you with a shovel just for fun.

And that's not the end of the story, though, right? Because your credit, even though they can't actually repossess the pool because it's part of your house that can might have a lean against it or just try to send your what you owe to to a collector and they can harass you. And not only that, it'll really drag the credit score down. Exactly.

Yeah. And you know, and then when you do need your credit and you've destroyed it, good luck.

So switching gears just a little bit, I wanted to talk come back to work environment, but how it directly affects our finances. And you and I have both experienced a variety of jobs, Lance, and some of them are good and some of them are very stressful. Some of them are toxic, like have a toxic culture. And so we talk about that and that idea that like, if you're in a toxic culture and you're completely unmotivated, how's your productivity going to be? And then of course, how does that affect your, your income? And so all of those things can affect your finance. So you think about like, that's again, that's an environmental issue. Are you in a good, positive work environment or do you feel like when you step foot into your work environment that it actually feels toxic or that feels stressful, makes you feel anxious. That's something not only will you take home with you, but can affect your productivity and your finances. So again, you know, paying attention to that environment.

Yeah.

Affects your health too. You know, living in that stress, that toxic environment takes its toll physically.

So real quick, some practical tips then to increase our environmental wellness. Declutter and organize is probably the very first and most basic thing. If you look around, wherever you are right now, whether it's your house, your car or your workspace where you're listening to this and you see some clutter, it's time to start making a plan to get on top of that because it is affecting you, whether you, whether you believe it or not. So. So one thing that I like to do, Lance, is, you know, because you and I, we work at computers a decent amounts, working on whatever, working on classes, working on papers, things like that. I take breaks just, you know, so I don't get too much eye strain or sit too long, that type of thing. But on my breaks a lot of times what I try to do is actually just like clean up. So I've got like a little system, take a little break and just start cleaning up my environment so that it's organized.

But I do it in a way that it's not actually taking away much time from my productivity. It's actually adding to it because I Needed to take a break anyways.

Yeah, I. I need to do better. Said I've cleaned up most of my office, but I have piles, like they're organized in my own way on my desk of things to do. I just need to do a better job. And sometimes. Yeah. No judgment here. Don't judge me.

And I say that. You can see I've got some clutter back here.

Yeah, it's all right. Dude, you got your scissors. Doing a collage.

It's my coupons. You know, boom. Coupons, like subtly slide it out of you. You can't see that anymore.

Hey, that's part of being financially aware. Is those coupons.

Right.

Super important. But yeah, that. That organization. Decluttering. Get a storage tote. One of the things I've really learned just along the way as my parents have gotten older. I. I'm not keeping stuff I don't need.

I just get rid of it if I do not need it, if I'm not going to use it. Idaho Youth Ranch, DI Thrift stores, whatever. You can part way with stuff you don't need.

Now if. If you've been a part of having to deal with somebody else's clutter. So whether it's a parrot or sibling or roommate or whatever, sometimes that can burn you out so much from clutter that you just become a minimalist.

Yeah.

And just like, I do not need stuff. I just get it out of my life. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's. That's fine. And it gets toxic, though, when you. When you're in that situation. Like, dude, you got to do your dishes, man. You know, and lighting, air quality plants. I mean, you see, I got like a spider plant back there, a little palm thing I'm trying to grow here.

Hopefully I don't kill that one. I mean, if you see that one disappears. I mean, that's why you watch this podcast. Let's see how good he can do it. Keeping that palm on the ground alive. I don't know how good I am.

The evolution of lances, the evolution.

If it gets bigger, green, doing a good job, but taking care of something too. There's that. It's rewarding. You know, I've had that spider plant and I've grown. There's another little one on the windows, on the windowsill back there over my other shoulder that came from that other one, you know, so it's. It's fun. It's fun. That's something fun.

And I like doing that. And, you know, it enhances the environment, you know, air quality, too. Cleans out the air.

I love it. I will admit I have tried a few plants in my office, and I have killed them, and I cannot be held responsible for.

I'm gonna bring you. I'm gonna bring you one of these starts, man. I'm gonna get you one of these starts there, and you can put it in your window sill. And if you kill it, I'm just like, dude, all you have to do is water it. That's all you have to do.

So I will be tested to. Yeah, once a week. Yeah, once a week might be only good.

And it'll improve your environment. You know, it's all good.

Exactly.

So.

So part of this, what we're talking about today is like the routines. Routines of, you know, watering a plant or routines of picking up after yourself. And in that process are opportunities to personalize your. Your spaces, just like you have done. Lance, I. I think that. I think you're really good example of that. You know, just like, put something on the wall.

Put a plant. Something that, though. That reflects you, though. Something that makes you laugh, something that makes you something that you appreciate. So not only, you know, when you're cleaning up and organizing is it a way just to make it clean, but it's also an opportunity to personalize, which I think is important. You can't see it here, but I actually have a Seahawks flag hanging from my wall, and that's one of the ways that I personalize my space. You know, I'm a big Hawks fan. Go Hawks.

As we go ahead.

Yeah, I was just. I was just going to say, as we wrapping up today, I mean, there's the challenge. The challenge today is for everybody that's listening to this, you know that 1% better. So become 1% better at what you're doing. Take time to clean up your workspace a little bit, Make a little bit more organized, Open a window, take a walk, get some disc golfs. I know they might be about 20 bucks for a set of three, but, man, all you need is three. Go through a disc golf course.

You know, and one thing that I like to point out here, too, it's kind of what I was getting at earlier is I don't really believe in, you know, taking one day a month and just, like, doing a huge cleaning. I think that becomes counterproductive because that cleaning becomes such a chore. And really what you'll find is the rest of the month, the clutter is just going to build up anyway. So most of the time, you're living in clutter and you're still doing a ton of work that you resent. So I think it's more important to build those habits of daily, regular, like maybe multiple times a day, just regular cleanup, regular organization that are just small, but kind of keep things tidy and in order. And so that's a little bit of a mindset shift for some of us. Some of us already are pretty good at doing that, do it naturally. But some of us need a little reminder to do that.

So again, like in my case, I know that when I take a work break, it's time to organize a little bit. I don't spend all of my work break doing that, but I usually do spend at least a of weeks, couple, couple minutes just making sure things are somewhat tidy and I'm not losing any papers that are important or that they're getting filed properly. You know, that, that type of stuff.

You know, and feel free to post on here the changes you've made. If you want to share a picture or something too, let us know what you're doing to improve. And, and you know, I'll let you know what I'm doing. So next episode, I'll let you know what changes I'm making to try to do better. I might turn this camera around to show you my desktop. I'm just saying.

Maybe, maybe do it. Do it. All right, so next week, our next episode, we are going, going to be talking about intellectual wellness. And just like all the other dimensions we've been talking about, it's interrelated with all the others. And so I'm looking forward to that conversation. I think, I think it's be really good. And just like you're saying, Lance, we do encourage our listeners. Go ahead and subscribe to this podcast, tell your friends about it and you know, if you get the opportunity, we'd love some feedback.

You know, send us an email and we'd like to hear, you know, feedback on the episode or if you have any examples or stories that you'd like to share, we can, we can even share them on the episode if they align with the topics that we're talking about.

Yeah, stories are good. That's how we learn life experiences. Right?

Okay, well, that's it for this episode of Mindful Moolah. Thanks for joining us again. I'm Luke Erickson and my colleague here, Lance Hansen with the University of Idaho. And we encourage you to have a good, good, clutter free, environmentally friendly day life year. All right, till next time, go get your whopper.