Gold Shovel, Red Flags, and Korean Capital: What's Driving Site Decisions Right Now
Episode 1417th June 2026 • The Site and Facility Planning Podcast • Area Development
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Andy Greiner, Area Development:

Welcome to Area Development's Site

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Selection and Facility Planning podcast.

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I'm Andy Greiner, editor of Area

Development magazine, and we've got

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a strong one today, four sections,

all coming out of the field.

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First, I sat down with Mississippi

Governor Tate Reeves at Select USA.

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His state just won a Gold Shovel

for the second year running in

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our annual State Shovel Awards.

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Then, a conversation with

Josh Wright from Lightcast.

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We collaborated on creating the Area

Development Skilled Trades Pipeline

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Ranking last quarter, and Josh walks

us through what the data actually shows

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and who should be paying attention.

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After that, a quick roundup.

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We asked a handful of site selectors and

developers the same question: What's the

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biggest reason projects stall right now?

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You'll hear five different answers,

and they tell a pretty coherent story.

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And we close with a conversation

I had with Sydney Chun from

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Cushman & Wakefield's Korea Desk.

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Korean investment in the US

is accelerating, and fast,

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and Sydney explains why.

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And she explains what states need

to do to capture that business.

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So let's get into it.

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We're here at SelectUSA in Maryland,

and we're sitting down with

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Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves.

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Governor, Mississippi doesn't always

top national lists, but you've been on

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a streak for the second year in a row.

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Your state won a Gold Shovel from Area

Development's State Shovel Awards.

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What does a recognition like

that mean for the state?

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How are you all punching above

your weight, so to speak?

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Tate Reeves, Governor of Mississippi:

Well, we're, we're obviously, um,

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excited about, uh, the opportunity

to win, uh, a Gold Shovel.

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Um, Area, Area Development

Magazine is really speaking to,

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uh, our customers, if you will.

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The people that we're going after

and encouraging more and more, um,

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economic development and more and

more capital investment in our state.

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And so, um, we, we, we work very

hard every year to ensure, uh,

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that we are bringing more and

better-paying jobs to our state.

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And to be recognized by, um,

this organization is, is yet

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another feather, uh, in our cap.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development: Yeah.

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As we looked at the projects that

won you the Gold Shovel, port

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infrastructure, transformers, refining,

these are really capital-heavy.

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What is it about Mississippi that's

attracting that kind of investment?

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Tate Reeves, Governor of Mississippi:

We've announced $85 billion in new

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capital investment in the state of

Mississippi since I've been governor.

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Um, my predecessor announced 7.2

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billion in eight years.

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The reasons that we have been

successful are because, um, we

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have readily available power.

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These large industrial projects

require a lot of power.

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Uh, we've announced, uh, not only were

we long power, uh, when we started,

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uh, winning five years ago, uh,

we've announced, uh, 4,000 megawatts

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of additional new power generation

just over the last couple of years.

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We also have workforce development program

through Accelerate Mississippi, uh,

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which is ensuring that we have, um, the,

the quality people that companies need.

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And we started investing in

site development five years ago.

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We've spent hundreds of millions of

dollars to ensure that we have 30 readily

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available sites where the infrastructure

has already been put in place.

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Water, the sewer, the

power, um, ready to go.

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And the combination of all of

those things leads to what is our

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biggest competitive advantage in

Mississippi, and that is speed.

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And w- we, we pride ourselves on being the

place in America, and therefore the, the

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best place in the world, to get a company

from spending money to making money.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development: Is that

something that's changed in recent years?

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Tate Reeves, Governor of Mississippi:

Uh, well, no question.

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It's, it's changed because we've

started the process of significantly

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investing in sites on the front end.

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Uh, you know, if you're gonna put a wa-

if you're gonna make sure that you have,

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uh, access to the land, that you're

gonna have water, that you're gonna

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have sewer, that you're gonna have other

infrastructure, roads, bridges, et cetera.

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And on some, many of our sites, we

even have started the permitting

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process with the US Army Corps of

Engineers and other, uh, entities.

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Uh, we have a, a state-run permit

organization called the Mississippi

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Department of Environmental Quality.

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Uh, that reports directly to me.

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And our entire mentality is we can

protect the environment and secure

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large capital investments that help grow

our economy and help protect America's

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interest, and that's the formula

w- that we have been utilizing, uh,

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that have, that has been incredible.

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And I'll just sum, sum up that speed to

market advantage that we have, uh, by

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quoting someone that most people have

heard of, uh, and that's Elon Musk.

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He said, and I quote, "Insane execution

speed by the state of Mississippi."

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He knows a little something about

executing business, and he knows

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that Mississippi, and he has seen

it because they announced a $20

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billion CapEx project in Southaven,

uh, literally just a few months ago.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development: Has

anything changed recently with your

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workforce program that you think

is attracting more business to you?

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Tate Reeves, Governor of Mississippi:

We passed legislation creating what

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we call Accelerate Mississippi.

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Our workforce development and

workforce training, uh, entity.

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Uh, it is, it is unique in some

ways in that it is literally

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run by the private sector.

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Uh, I appoint, I appoint the board

members from the private sector.

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Uh, they then hire the team and the

staff because I believe that the

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private sector knows better what

jobs and what training is needed than

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anybody in the government ever will.

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And so we, we, we have

taken that approach.

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Um, we found that we were spending

hundreds of millions of dollars

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a year on workforce development

and workforce training, but there

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was no coordinated approach and no

collaboration between the different

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entities and the different pots of money.

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Now we have a one-stop shop, and that

one-stop shop is Accelerate Mississippi,

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and they are ensuring that we are

training people not for the jobs of

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the last 50 years, but for the jobs

of the next 50 years, and I think it's

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given us a real competitive advantage.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development: Now,

you've got, uh, gotten a lot of attention

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for early literacy gains in K through 12.

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How do you think that's affecting

how companies look at your workforce?

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Tate Reeves, Governor of Mississippi:

What you've seen from a K through

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12 educational standpoint is that

today Mississippi has the smartest

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fourth graders in the southeastern

United States, which means in 10

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years we're gonna have the smartest

workforce in the southeastern United

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States, and employers recognize that.

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We've gone from 50th best in

fourth grade math to number 16

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in American fourth grade math.

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Our high school graduation rates have gone

from 72 and a half percent to over 90% of

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our kids graduated high school last year.

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The, the New York Times called it

the Mississippi Miracle and I use

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that terminology a lot because

it gets people's attention.

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But what I want everyone to know is

it really wasn't a miracle at all.

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It was really, uh, a result of

good, strong public policy with an

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implementation phase that ensured

accountability and a buy-in by teachers

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and administrators and parents, and

most of all, a buy-in by the kids.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development: If a

CEO or a site selector is looking at

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Mississippi five years from now, what

would you like them to see in five years

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that maybe they don't fully see today?

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Tate Reeves, Governor of Mississippi:

Well, I, w- what I hope that they have

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the ability to see five years from today

is five years of continued momentum

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by the state of Mississippi to land

multi-billion dollar projects, and not

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just to land them, but to deliver on them.

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And so that's the thing that I

think that, that really will set us

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apart over the next five years is

a lot of states talk a good game.

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Mississippi actually delivers

because we see those investments as

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a partnership because we know that

our people will not be successful

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unless companies are successful.

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And so five years from now I am hopeful

that the potential, the CEOs that are

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looking at potential sites will be able

to not only look at AWS and XAI and

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Nissan and Toyota and Siemens, and all

of these projects that we've announced

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in the last couple of years, but also

five more years of successes and see

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not only that the, that we've made the

announcement, but that the f- companies

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are operating and they're growing and

they're expanding because their workforce

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has met their expectations and hopefully

even e- exceeded those expectations.

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Sounds like the focus on execution and

accountability makes it a place to go

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Tate Reeves, Governor of Mississippi:

Place to go.

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And look, a lot of

people talk a good game.

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Very few people execute.

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Yeah.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development:

Governor, thank you very much

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Tate Reeves, Governor of Mississippi:

Thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development: Next

up, we just released our new Skilled

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Trade Pipeline Ranking last month,

and Josh Wright from Lightcast said

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that the LinkedIn post might have

been one of his most engaging ever.

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Uh, the ranking is a collaboration

between Area Development and Lightcast,

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and it looks beyond current employment

numbers to ask which states are actually

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building the workforce that manufacturers

will need five or 10 years from now.

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Speaker 18: I asked Josh what surprised

him most about the pipeline ranking.

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Josh Wright: How strong some of

the southeast states are in this.

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That's not crazy shocking, but

I mean, they, they do so well.

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And then how some of, some of the

kind of traditional Rust Belt, um,

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Midwest states have adapted, um, states

like Indiana, Wisconsin, others who

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are, you know, do-- Kansas is, um,

in the Midwest doing really well.

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On the flip side, what surprised us

when we looked at the data is where

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Texas and Florida, I thought they

would do better, especially Texas.

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They're not you know, super low

in the rankings, but they're

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not in the top fifteen, twenty,

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Andy Greiner, Area Development: So

at, at a high level what does a,

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a strong skilled trades pipeline

actually mean in twenty twenty-six?

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What, what are we actually measuring that,

maybe some people tend to misunderstand?

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Josh Wright: Yeah.

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For this analysis, we really tried to get

to the density of not just workers who are

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in the skilled trades and engineering tech

roles, but also those that are wh-where

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that pipeline's going and wh-wh-what

is the educational system doing today

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or in the last few years about that.

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One measure that we really

focused in on here is what we call

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location quotient or the dens--

you know, to measure the density.

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How much more per capita uh, is e-each

state producing compared to others.

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And so states that have a higher

percentage of trades, you know, trade

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school kinda graduates, ones who are

coming out of, you know, whether it's a

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two-year program, a certificate program

focused on electricians, welders, um,

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all of these kinda maintenance tech kinda

roles are gonna do better than states who

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have maybe more of a ro-- uh, a kind of,

you know, could have a higher density of,

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of liberal arts or four-year or, or kind

of more internationally focused programs.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development:

H-how much of it how much of this

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is gonna be, you know, forecasting

winners and losers in manufacturing,

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uh, location strategy in the future?

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Josh Wright: I think it's

definitely an indicator.

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You know, the…

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It's not a…

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It-- But like anything, one index

doesn't give you the full story.

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There's a lot, and I think we'll

get to that here a bit too, of

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like what, you know, what it

includes, what it doesn't include.

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Um, but it, it definitely gives you

a sense for, I think, which states

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are best poised to have to take on

more from a capacity perspective.

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You know, from you all, um, Area

Development's done a great job of,

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you know, surveying site selectors

for, I think, what is it now?

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Forty years- Sixty.

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-of like-

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So it's, you know, for a long time,

the availability of skilled labor has

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been number one, if not number one,

right in the top three of, of The most

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impa-important factors for site decisions.

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And I think it's moving from just,

not just the availability of the

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labor, but how the, you know, what

kind of capacity are you, are you

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developing in-- with your labor force?

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What, what kind of

pipeline is, is coming out?

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Is it really aligned to specific

blue-collar tech, industrial tech

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kind of roles that are needed in this,

in this new era of manufacturing?

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And that's where this pipeline

ranking, I think, looks at.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development:

What do you think is, like, the,

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the biggest disconnect right now

between where talent is being trained

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and where jobs actually exist?

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Josh Wright: Yeah, this is a big question

because it kinda hits on the broader

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higher education or even K-twelve

education system in America and the world.

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But specifically, you know, there's been

a lot of, um, you know, if you think of,

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you know, talk to older folks back in the

day trades were taught in high schools.

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There was shop class.

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There was more focus on these types of

things, even requirements to do, um, do

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a, you know, a, a CAD drafting class or a,

or some kind of, uh, something like that.

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I think over time, you know, we have

taught in the last couple of decades to

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really, like, coding software jobs are

where it's at, and kids just need to get

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you know, get, go to a four-year degree.

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It doesn't-- Go to a four-year college.

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It doesn't matter the

type of degree you get.

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I think it's sho- we're seeing, and

you can see it in the earnings data,

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you can see it in unemployment rates

by education level, that just getting a

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general college degree, whether that's

psychology or wherever else, is not

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enough, is, is, is not gonna cut it.

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It doesn't give you a, an

individual competitive advantage.

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And so I think this still, this, what

this shows is, is that it's There's

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real job opportunity for people who,

who are thinking, um, how to blend

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maybe some of those liberal arts

skills or, or degrees with a technical

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skill or just saying, "You know what?

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There's an opportunity to go to a trade

school or go to a t-- a community college,

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a technical school, and really get a

degree, uh, get, get a skill that's

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super marketable and super in demand."

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And so we're seeing this shift, I think,

from, um, now, especially with the raise--

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rise of AI, where there is concerns about

what does the white-collar job market look

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like over time and how are we gonna meet

the demands of the blue-collar job market.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development: You

know, in your experience h-how long

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does it realistically take for a

strong pipeline to translate into a

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workforce that can, operate at scale?

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Josh Wright: Yeah.

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I think generally it takes at least

several years or, or, like, a decade,

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you know, depending on the years of

focus These aren't overnight decisions

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to, like, shift people's focus on…

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Especially if you're thinking about how

do we get kids that coming through high

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school and their parents, importantly, to

think about, "Hey, there's opportunities

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here," versus, "Hey, just go to college.

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Just get any kind of degree.

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More, like, kind of like tactically,

some of these jobs, um, you know, the

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training programs aren't all that long.

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You can, you know, whether it's an

apprenticeship program, so you can earn,

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you know, you're lear-- you're working,

you're earning while you're learning or

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whether it's, you know, a, a, a three,

six-month certificate program, there are

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opportunities here to pivot if with the

right to get, like, you know, whe-whether

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you need ten people or twenty-five people.

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In the short term, it can,

it can pivot pretty quickly.

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Longer term for a region, you know, this

is, this takes years of intentionality

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to say, "Hey, we need to make sure that

we're not just meeting the needs of our

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tech companies, our finance and insurance

companies, but we're meeting the needs of

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manufacturers, and we're being competitive

for this new era of manufacturing."

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Andy Greiner, Area Development:

Let me ask you this, like, what

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sort of cautions do you have?

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Is there, is there any way that somebody

could misuse or misread this data

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that you would wanna caution against?

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Josh Wright: Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, data can-- data or a-any kind

of ranking can get misused pretty

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quickly, and that is one to think about

it as being like a, a be-all, end-all.

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Um, it's obviously it's,

it's one indicator.

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It's one, it's one ranking.

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It's one scoring.

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It doesn't include…

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You know, we, we've tried to keep this

and, in our great partnership with you

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all and Andy to talk about how do we

create something that's defensible,

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that's clear, that's actionable, but also

isn't super complicated or convoluted.

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It's gonna be misused if it's not rounded

out with other indicators, other data.

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Um, and I think you all did a nice

job in the article kind of, um, even

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having a little call-out to say how

e- how executives could use this and

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what kind of deeper due diligence

needs to happen, whether that's looking

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at wages, whether that's looking at

demographic compositions and other kind

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of commuting patterns, labor flows,

all of these things that go into this.

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There's a lot of detail.

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And we purposely also did this

at the state level, and I think

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that was the right call from

a, like, a broader perspective.

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But all local labor mark-- all labor

markets are local, um, at some level.

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There's regional dynamics here, and

those can, those can cross state

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boundaries, of course, as well.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development:

Okay, one more thing worth flagging

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from our conversation with Josh.

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In the same issue that the college

pipeline ranking appeared, Area

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Development's annual site selector

survey also came out, and workforce

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availability leapfrogged energy

cost and availability to become the

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single most important factor in site

selection, and that's saying something.

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Okay, so next up for this cover story,

we asked developers, consultants,

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and states, "What's the biggest

reason projects stall right now?"

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And here's how five consultants

answered that question at Area

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Development's 2026 workshop in Charlotte.

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Alicia Janesko-Hutchings: Hi, my

name is Alicia Janesko Hutchings.

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I am with Cresa.

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I'm based out of the Dallas office.

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I work on the site selection

and incentives team.

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And primarily, the type of

industries that we work with and

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partner with are manufacturing,

warehouse distribution, office, both

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regional and work, um, headquarters.

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And then we also work with some

animal and life science companies

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and within the lab space as well.

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So pretty much a little bit of everything.

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Right now, a lot of our projects

for, for our team, they're,

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they're moving very, very quickly.

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So where we're seeing the delays happen is

actually on maybe this more the state and

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local side rather than the client side.

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And those could be, you know,

related to permitting delays.

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Um, when we say permitting, it

could be also, um, you know,

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rezoning delays for land.

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Um, but the permitting process

often slows down the process.

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Um, sometimes nimbyism at the local

level, um, is also delaying the project.

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There needs to be more prep work

done on that side of things.

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Um, the incentive process not really

aligning with the, um, the way projects

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are making decisions so quickly nowadays.

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There is definitely a disconnect there.

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Um, the inability to respond quickly

for-- on projects in terms of an incentive

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proposal or the process- That goes

along with that, whether it's approvals

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or application process, those need

to start aligning a little bit better

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because I think the world is-- you know,

the world of economic development has

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changed significantly and just continues

to speed up more and more and more.

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Chris Urchell, Baker Tilly: Hey.

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Hi.

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This is Chris Urchell.

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I'm with Baker Tilly.

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Uh, I sit within our real

estate advisory group.

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One of the biggest reasons that we

are seeing projects stall today is

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often related to, uh, project budget.

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So a lot of times clients come in

with preconceived notions around what

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a project could cost or should cost.

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They're using old benchmark data around

a previous facility, um, and they don't

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really have a good understanding of

how much construction cost has risen in

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the last couple years or even months.

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So with inflation on wages and materials,

uh, sometimes their lack of understanding

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or they're not consulting with a

engineering group or a construction

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group ahead of time, uh, they find

well into the project that they don't

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have the funds necessary to construct

what it-- they want to construct.

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Anything that can be done to help that

company understand what the construction

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costs might be, um, for a facility of

their size And even better to help support

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the capital stack, uh, for projects of

this size can help, uh, move through that

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challenging piece of board approval at

the company level, uh, to get the new

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expansion or the new, uh, project going.

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Courtland Robinson, Brasfield and Gorrie:

I'm Courtland Robinson

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with Brasfield & Gorrie.

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I am based in Atlanta.

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Brasfield & Gorrie is a national

privately held construction company.

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We are very much in this exponential age.

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Um, there are faster innovation cycles,

um, shorter times to obsolence, and,

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uh, we've got a surging industry demand,

um, and a lot of different markets

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and decisions have to be made faster.

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amount of uncertainty in almost

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every facet of making these

capital project planning decisions.

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faster life cycles, um, innovations

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in technology and everything in

between, it's just, uh, it's really

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difficult to execute in the early

stages of, um, project feasibility.

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project execution.

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much dealing with larger and

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larger projects these days.

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Maybe, maybe the, um, not as many, um,

projects, but they're the ones, you know,

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that we see are certainly larger, and

with that comes a lot more complexity.

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Um, I'll, I'll use, you know, the hot

topic of data centers today as an example.

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Many of the campuses that are being,

um, sited across the country are going

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into fairly rural areas, and those

rural areas don't inherently have the

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infrastructure to support, um, everything

that, that, um, that campus is gonna

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need at full build-out from simple

things like road and sewer to, um, fire

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and police, um, you know, to, to bigger

regional infrastructure considerations.

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things or building them over time

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and at scale is really challenging.

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Uh, and so that I think, you know,

one of the, one of the bi-biggest

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reasons that projects stall is because

it's very difficult to plan across

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the life cycle of a project today.

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David MacNamara, Womble Bond and Dickensen:

David McNamara with Womble Bond

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Dickinson, uh, an economic development,

uh, attorney with the firm.

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Uh, so question: What's the biggest

reason projects stall today?

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Uh, I think, I think what we're seeing a

lot is, uh, financing is, is a big piece.

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Is, um, companies being able to support

the business case for the project, either

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kind of the economics penciling out

or actually just borrowing at a number

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that they're comfortable with, uh, int--

whether it's an interest rate, whether

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it's, uh, private equity, whatever

the, the deal financing structure is.

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Uh, often a lot of folks are--

or a lot of lenders are very

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interested in teeing those up.

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But ultimately, when you get down to

price tags, th-those numbers don't end up

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penciling out the way clients are, uh, are

willing to, to sign on the dotted line.

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So I've, I've seen a lot of,

"Uh, we're gonna wait six months.

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We're gonna see how

market conditions evolve.

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We're gonna see the, the general

stock market as well," uh, especially

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companies that are collateralizing

these loans with treasury stock.

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And you've got to, uh-- y-you've got a

direct impact on their price sh- their

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share per price, price per share, excuse

me, uh, to, to how much they can borrow

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and, and what that cost of capital is.

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So, uh, all of, all of the-- all that

comes down to getting the money in the

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door to be able to, to do the project.

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Renshaw.

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I'm with Savills, uh, in North America,

and my role is as the lead of supply chain

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consulting platform for North America.

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One of the main ones is related to power.

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So it may be power availability,

which we are seeing in our network,

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increasingly becoming a filter.

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Even a location that is optimal from

a logistics perspective, from a labor

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perspective, if the power cannot be

supplied in sufficient quantity for a

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particular operation, then That facility

or that location is filtered out.

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The switching equipment, the, the

transformers, and all of the ancillary

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equipment associated with the power

supply, uh, especially in the day

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and age of AI and in facilities that

are increasingly looking to auto-

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automation as well as, uh, uh, applying

AI within their, their facility systems

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infrastructure, those are big delays.

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Used to be that steel was a big delay.

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That's not-- I'm not seeing

that nearly as much anymore.

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. Uh, i-if the power isn't there, our

clients are gonna look elsewhere

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Sven Gerzer: okay.

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My name is Sven Gerzer.

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I'm with Parker Poe Consulting,

and I focus on manufacturing

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projects that come from abroad, so

foreign direct investment projects.

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The biggest uncertain-- The biggest

reason I see for projects stalling

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today is the uncertainty when it

comes to tariffs and immigration.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development:

That's five answers.

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Permitting, construction costs,

infrastructure at scale, power, tariffs.

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When you line them up, the through line

is pretty clear, speed and certainty.

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Companies know what they want to

build, but what's slowing them down

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is everything that has to be in place

before the first shovel goes in.

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All right, I want to close this

episode with a conversation that

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I think deserves more attention.

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Korean investment in the United States is

accelerating, not trickling, accelerating.

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Sydney Chun, who leads the Global Korea

Desk at Cushman & Wakefield, uh, out of

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Seoul, was at SelectUSA this year, and she

says it was the largest Korean contingent

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at the conference has ever seen.

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Uh, maybe not the busiest but

the, uh, the Korean contingent was

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large and in a deal-making mood.

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I asked her to explain what's driving

this activity and how Korean companies

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actually make site decisions and maybe

most importantly, what states need

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to do to compete for that capital.

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Sydney Chun: Name is Sydney Chun.

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I head the Global Korea Desk at Cushman

& Wakefield in Seoul office, and my goal

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is to guide through and help Korean

capital and users expand in multi markets.

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Uh, we're heavily focused in North America

because, uh, that is where Korean capital

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is expanding in a extraordinary speed

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site selection is increasingly

an integrated business decision

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because, uh, purchasing a land or

buying a warehouse is one thing,

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um, but it's cheaper compared to the

electricity that you need to procure,

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the water line you need to procure.

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And for Koreans specifically it works

from the beginning stage of developing

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a business case, um, when the working

levels report to the C-levels to…

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for an expansion case,

um, in North America.

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So-- And this is specifically

because what I see common, um,

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amongst the Korean conglomerates,

the common theme is cost discipline.

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Um, so because we are heavily…

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the Koreans are heavily invested,

and it's got even more expensive,

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uh, for labor, uh, for infrastructure

and for core businesses.

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And the cost discipline has even been

much heavier on the, uh, investment

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side, w- including the real estate.

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Um, so it's built in, uh, one business

case, uh, reporting to the C-level,

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uh, where they need access, how

this will play out, what they need

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to pay, and how that will work into

their future revenue trajectory.

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Context is interconnected.

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So the business needs, business

case needs to work through,

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um, it needs to make sense.

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And if the cost is not in line with

their, um, for example, their, uh, rate

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of return that they're expecting, then

the deals may break within the boardroom.

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Um, and then, um, once it's past

that threshold, it's really the site

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selection will, um, surprisingly may

happen within the few several months.

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So, um, when Korean conglomerates,

um, I'm not sure if it's the same

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with the other international players,

um, when they do site select, they

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site select with the negotiation and

incentives package that they, um,

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promised with each of the states.

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And that comes with building

completion timeline and milestone.

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Um, but the factory needs, when

it's run, it needs to have a full

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house with the labor, and labor is

connected to the incentives promised.

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Um, but if they cannot procure the

time, uh, procure the power, um, by

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the time that the factory needs to

run, then they don't have, they will

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not have that labor by that time,

and which would mean that they may

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not be able to meet the milestone,

um, to apply for the incentives.

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And that can, uh, impact, uh, in reverse,

uh, for incentives callback, which

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is a big risk to the Korean clients.

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You know, in the field communicating with

my-- with the client, Korean clients.

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Um, we see that, uh, the anchors

have already been placed, um,

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in famous states like Ohio,

Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia.

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And the next wave I would see are the

suppliers, and they're, of course,

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their big concern is the cost as to

they don't have that much of a manpower

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that the conglomerates have in-house.

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Um, so they need a lot of our

help, such as us as an advisors.

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Um, and I'd see that would be

the second or the third wave, um,

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in coming in, uh, smaller scale,

but definitely in many numbers.

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Um, and that's how I see that

the Southeast is keep winning.

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Definitely because of the cost and the

infrastructure and environments and how

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friendly and agile the governors and the

state is willing to work with the players.

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And our anchor client has already been

placed there, um, majorly in Georgia,

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Kentucky, Tennessee, and Texas.

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Um, and with the anchor players as I said,

uh, they, the suppliers also want to be as

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interested, uh, and i-is in big interest

to be nearby in proximit-in proximity, uh,

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to the anchor players because obviously

due to the logistical reas-reasons.

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Um, and that's how I see that

the Southeast is keep winning.

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What I'm hearing from the state offices

is if the Korean conglomerates want to

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expand and want to get into the s-market

entry- they should also be thinking about

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bringing their own energy, um, and I

think that's connected to collaborating

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with, uh, entities that they…

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that can provide and create synergy.

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For example, if you are a big, uh,

manufacturer, like Hyundai, um, the, the

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ideal, uh, s-synergy scenario would be

bringing in your arm name- you know, a

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developer, uh, that can also pro-produce

nuclear energy to provide that power

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source in that state, and which would

make it much more easier and makes

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what's, what's make sense for you to

procure energy within the timeline,

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the milestone, um, that you want to get

your manufacturing plant up and running.

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The supply chain globally has

increasingly, been proven to

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be more fragile because of the

current geopolitical landscape.

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Um, and to provide to your clients, um,

and to provide with that competitiveness

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is whether you have that nearshoring,

whether you have that plant locally.

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Um, and I think the Koreans are

the ones who've made that have

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studied it, internalized it, and

found that decision is a must.

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So how I take it, how I view it,

is because of the unsure certainty,

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to make your supply chain certain

and sturdy, is to be able to be in

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proximity to your customer, so that

you don't have- Yeah … you don't

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experience that supply chain fragil- uh,

fragility or, uh, supply chain break.

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Um, uh, you don't have

that concern anymore.

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And the next discussion, uh, topic that

I hear most often from the clients that

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I've been on meetings, um, the n- the last

two days, I guess is the two, two topics.

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One is they've already been doing

business for many years in the US,

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um, but because of the cost issue, uh,

they're unsure how to get most out of

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the discussions with the state officers.

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Uh, they do want to build a friendly,

uh, business, um, of course asking

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for, uh, tax abatements and how

to make that even more, you know,

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leverage with their existing business.

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That's the one concern.

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And the second concern for you know,

new market entrants are having a, an

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objective comparison multi-state ma-

matrix because, um, you know, we have,

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um, all of the state representatives,

and the clients need to navigate

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where is the best choice where you can

not only have, um, a cost-effective

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site, but also have that sustainable

labor, have that sustainable power,

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have that sustainable infrastructure.

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And that's where we come in in the

role as an advisor to make that

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objective multi-state comparison.

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Andy Greiner, Area Development:

I'll add a note here.

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A lot of the conversations at Select USA

this year centered on uncertainty, tariffs

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policy, the wait and see kind of mood.

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What Sydney is describing

is almost the inverse.

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Korean companies aren't waiting.

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The uncertainty in the global supply

chain is itself the reason they're moving.

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The hedge against fragility is proximity,

and right now the US Southeast is

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where they're building that hedge.

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That's it, uh, for this episode

of the Site Selection and

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Facility Planning podcast.

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Thanks for listening.

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I'm Andy Greiner, editor of Area

Development Magazine, and if you're not

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already getting Area Development Magazine,

you can find us at areadevelopment.com,

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uh, and you can subscribe to this

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