Have you ever asked for something reasonable and been met with defensiveness, silence, or being told you’re “too much”?
In this episode, I talk about why closeness can feel threatening in some family relationships — and how one person often ends up doing all the emotional work.
Key Takeaways
When one person avoids emotional conversations and the other tries harder to fix things, the relationship becomes exhausting.
Brief moments of closeness don’t matter if nothing actually changes afterward.
Guilt is not proof that you did something wrong — it’s often a learned response to stepping out of an old role.
You can’t earn emotional connection from someone who avoids it.
Modelling healthy relationships for kids means showing shared responsibility, not self-sacrifice.
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(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) The other day I asked a simple, reasonable question while I was
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working.
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Can this be done later when I'm not working and don't need
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to focus?
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What followed wasn't a conversation, it was defensiveness, name calling, and my
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husband walking out the door, then hours later, acting like nothing had
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ever happened.
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This moment captured a pattern I've lived in for years, where asking
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for consideration triggers dismissal, and closeness feels like a threat.
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So why does this interaction happen more times than anyone cares to
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count in some family relationships?
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Let's break it down.
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today.
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If you're in a relationship where you're the one who always carries
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the responsibility for talking things through, explaining how you feel, or
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trying to repair problems while the other person stays calm, distant, or
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unaffected, then this dynamic becomes exhausting for you over time.
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At first, the relationship has very little conflict.
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The other person keeps their emotions intact, handles problems on their own,
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and stays calm during arguments.
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To you, this looks like a healthy relationship if you grew up
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around chaos, blame, and emotional instability.
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However, over time, something begins to change.
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You start to notice that you are the one always starting the
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tough conversations, asking where things stand in the relationship, and
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clearing up any misunderstandings.
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As you do this more and more, you then notice the other
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person pulls back, changes the subject, and minimizes what you say.
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This is the anxious dismissive avoidance dance, in which each person repeats
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learned behavior from earlier relationships, beginning in childhood.
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The anxious partner is trying to earn consistent attention, keeping plans, and
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having those tough conversations by staying engaged and fixing the
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relationship.
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On the other hand, the dismissive avoidant partner is protecting themselves
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from those long emotional conversations, pressure around plans and commitments,
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and being told they are doing something wrong.
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As a result, each person's way of staying safe triggers the other.
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If you are the anxious person, you may experience a fantastic weekend,
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an occasional apology, a moment of closeness that feels warm and hopeful.
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To you, these moments are proof that connection is possible.
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But then the distance returns.
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Conversations become shorter again, emotional availability fades, and you are
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left trying to understand what the heck happened, while the other person
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doesn't even see a problem.
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For you, this cycle is emotionally draining.
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What is often misunderstood is what is happening with the dismissive avoidant
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partner.
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They believe they are not meeting the other person's expectations.
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They feel watched, judged, or corrected during emotional conversations.
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They start to think they are doing everything wrong, even when they
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are trying.
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Pulling away is how they reduce this pressure.
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By going quiet, changing the subject, or creating distance, they stop the
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conversations that make them feel criticized and unable to succeed.
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This is not just about words or communication.
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It's how each partner's body reacts when the relationship feels tense or
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uncertain.
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For the anxious partner, the nervous system moves into fight or flight.
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The body stays alert, tense, and on guard.
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You watch for changes in tone, silence, or distance.
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You replay conversations, look for mistakes, and feel a strong urge to
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fix the problem quickly.
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Reaching out, talking it through, and restoring closeness becomes the way your
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body tries to calm itself.
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The dismissive avoidant partner's nervous system responds in the opposite way.
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Their body moves towards shutdown.
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Emotional conversations feel intense and hard to manage, so they create
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distance.
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They go quiet, disengage, or focus on tasks to settle their body
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and regain control.
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Over time, this is how anxious partners often become scapegoated in the
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relationship, because you are the one noticing problems, naming them, and
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pushing for repair, ending up carrying most of the emotional work.
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Gradually, you are labeled as too sensitive, too emotional, or the problem.
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You begin to doubt your needs and question your reactions.
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You tell yourself that if you were calmer or asked for less,
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the relationship would finally feel stable.
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This is not about one person being the problem.
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It is a relationship where one person works to keep the connection
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going while the other controls when closeness happens.
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One holds on to hope and keeps trying.
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The other limits how close the relationship becomes.
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Over time, both feel misunderstood and both become worn down.
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The challenge is not explaining yourself more clearly or working harder to
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be understood.
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The challenge is noticing when you are carrying emotional responsibility that
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is not being shared.
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Closeness, repair, and emotional safety require two people, not one person
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trying and another deciding when to show up.
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Here is a recent example from my life that portrays this anxious
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dismissive avoidance.
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The other day, I was working on my business during my scheduled
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work hours when my husband started using a shark robotic vacuum cleaner
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that was loud and distracting.
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At first, I let it go.
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But after about 15 minutes of constant noise and feeling my resentment
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build, I asked a reasonable question.
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How much longer will this take?
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Can we do this at a different time when I'm not working?
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Instead of a conversation, I was met with accusatory remarks.
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I was told I was ungrateful because the vacuum had been bought
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for the family.
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In reality, this was something I hadn't asked for, didn't want, and
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that actually stresses my dog Benji out.
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I was then told, you're unreal.
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The vacuum abruptly stopped.
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There was no further discussion, no repair.
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My husband folded laundry from the dryer, left it on the floor,
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and walked out of the house.
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The issue was left unaddressed, my request wasn't acknowledged, and the
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conversation was never returned to.
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Later that night, my husband spoke to me as if nothing had
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happened, as if the name calling, the dismissal, and the walking away
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didn't exist.
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Reset button pressed.
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Move on.
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And that's where the pattern becomes clear.
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In the past, I would have been the one to apologize.
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I would have chased connection.
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I would have tried to smooth things over and taken responsibility for
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fixing what I didn't break.
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I would have made myself smaller to restore the peace.
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That's the anxious dismissive trap.
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One person dismisses the other person's needs and avoids accountability, while
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the other person works harder, apologizing more, explaining more, doing more,
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trying to earn connection.
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However, this time I didn't apologize.
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I didn't chase, and I didn't try to fix it.
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Because I'm recognizing the pattern for what it is, and I'm learning
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that you can't earn emotional connection from someone who avoids it as
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a way of coping.
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This didn't come easy, but I have learned ways to handle this
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when it happens.
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Here are five of them.
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I hope they can help you also.
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Number one.
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Stop decoding tone and notice patterns.
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I stopped trying to figure out what someone meant and started paying
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attention to what kept happening.
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When there are brief moments of connection, but nothing actually changes
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afterward, that's not confusion.
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That's a pattern.
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And number two.
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Guilt is not proof you did something wrong.
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For years I treated guilt as a moral compass.
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Now I see it as a learned response that shows up when
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I stop fixing things for other people.
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Feeling guilty does not mean I caused harm.
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Some relationships depend on you being easily available.
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When you stop dropping everything, over-explaining, or putting other people's
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priorities ahead of your own, some people react negatively.
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They question your choices or criticize your behavior.
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That reaction tells you the relationship was comfortable only when you were
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easily available.
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Emotional labor is not a requirement for love.
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A healthy relationship does not rely on one person managing the conversations,
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the repairs, and the emotional weight.
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If the connection only works when you carry the load, that tells
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you something about the relationship.
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And number five.
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Ask whether a relationship allows you to exist fully.
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The question I ask now is simple.
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Does this relationship make space for my life or does it require
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me to shrink?
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If showing up fully creates tension, the issue is not your needs.
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When it comes to modeling healthy relationships for kids, the goal isn't
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to get it right all the time.
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It's to show what it looks like to notice patterns and respond
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differently.
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In anxious dismissive dynamics, children often see one person chasing
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connection while the other shuts down or avoids.
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You can model something healthier by not forcing conversations, not over
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explaining, and not taking responsibility for everyone's emotions.
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Repairs matter too.
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You can own your part without owning the whole situation.
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When children see that repair requires effort from more than one person,
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they learn that healthy relationships are shared, not managed by one trying
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harder.
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It also helps to talk about patterns instead of blaming people.
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Saying things like, I notice when things get uncomfortable, one person pulls
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away and the other pushes harder.
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This teaches kids to understand relationships without shame.
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That's how they learn that connection doesn't require disappearing or over
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functioning.
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It requires awareness and shared effort.
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If closeness feels hard or tense in your family relationships, it doesn't
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mean you're doing something wrong.
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It usually means you're the one trying to talk things through while
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someone else avoids it.
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Noticing that isn't dramatic or selfish.
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It's paying attention to what's actually happening.
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Understanding this pattern doesn't mean you fix the relationship or change the
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other person.
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It means you stop blaming yourself for the distance.
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You stop apologizing for wanting conversation, consistency, or respect.
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You start trusting what you see instead of explaining it away.
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And that's the shift.
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Not trying harder.
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Not shrinking.
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Just choosing not to carry what isn't yours anymore.
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When connection is shared, it feels steady.
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When it isn't, no amount of effort from one person will make
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it so.
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Whether you're starting to understand yourself more clearly, working through
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old family dynamics, or learning to do things differently, you're building the
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skills that help you grow into the person you're meant to be.
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Listening is important, but real change happens when you use what you've
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learned.
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So choose just one life lesson from today and try it out
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this week.
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That's when things begin to shift.
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And if no one has told you lately, everything will be okay.
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Tomorrow is a new day and with it comes new hope.
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As I conclude this episode, I must state that this podcast is
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designed solely for educational and entertainment purposes.
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While I bring my experience as a parent and grandparent, it's essential
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that you know, I am not a licensed therapist.
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This podcast is not a substitute for professional advice from a physician,
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professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.
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Got it?
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Awesome.
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Until next time, what is one thing you are grateful for?