Meet Pug-mom Rachel and her beautiful little girl Agatha, whom you’ll be able to hear snoozing, or should I say snoring, throughout the episode in that ever-so-cute little style that only a Puggie can.

This is a wonderful joyful episode about Agatha, how they met and what their Pug Life has been like – especially the anecdote about their bonding within minutes of meeting which I am sure you can relate to. And then there is the question that Rachel had for me … What is wrong with my Pug”?

So you’ll have to listen to the episode to find out what was ‘wrong’ with Agatha!

In this episode I’ll cover:

·      01:40 Being a Pug Hypochondriac and realising that Agatha is going grey.

·      03:20 The lovely story behind meeting Agatha, and the puppy scam that almost stopped them from meeting.

·      04:35 Bonding with Agatha … their first 10 minutes together.

·      06:00 Daphne the Rescue Cat and her influence over Agatha.

·      07:30 Agatha’s toilet training by Daphne.

·      11:20 Agatha’s ‘object of delight’.

·      15:00 Agatha’s love of the ‘R’ word.

·      16:00 Agatha’s eating noises.

·      18:20 Agatha’s alien behaviour with claw clipping.

·      22:00 Agatha’s ‘etiquette’ training.

·      25:00 Mum the bouncy castle.

·      26:00 Agatha’s interested noise.

·      27:00 Agatha is stupid clever.

·      31:00 What do well behaved Pugs look like.

·      32:00 Agatha loves anything black.

·      34:15 Agatha’s first holiday preparation.

·      35:45 Agatha the sleepy nugget.

·      38:30 Agatha the cult leader.

·      41:00 Agatha’s impersonation of the Titanic move.

·      42:10 What’s wrong with my Pug? (no shame)

·      45:00 Ladies don’t run Mother

·      47:00 Pug-ancini ball

·      48:30 The Cat’s toy

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[01:18] Rachel: We're very well, thank you. She's actually asleep. You can possibly hear her snoring under my feet.

[01:33] Rachel: She's good. She's great. Yeah. Nothing's wrong with her, which is nice, because I am, as declared by my mother, a pet hypochondriac.

[01:49] Rachel: So, yeah, bought me, as a joke, not joke, Christmas present once, a dog first aid kit and all the instructions. I think she's doing well. She's as healthy as healthy, because.

[02:06] Rachel: She's six and a half now.

[02:10] Rachel: You can't see her, but she's got a lot of. She's got a full gray chin.

[02:15] Rachel: Little gray around her eyebrows. And I said to mom, it's outrageous. I mean, in Pug terms, she's only six. She could get to at least 15. And I'm said, yeah, she's middle aged. You've got gray hair, too. Move on.

[02:32] Rachel: I don't have gray hair. It's naturally pink.

[02:42] Rachel: Exactly.

[03:00] Rachel: Yeah, I'll have to take a close up photo, because. Oh, yes, it's only on her face. The rest of her fur, there's no gray, but, yeah, on her face, she's got that little bit of distinguished silver.

[03:24] Rachel: Met, well, I suppose I should say she's a black plug. That's why I can see her silver so clearly. Because if she was fallen, she might be getting away with it. Yes, she and I met. Well, she's six and a half, nearly six and a half years ago, because she was only about. I think she might have been ten weeks when I got up. And we actually met after, I'm afraid to say, I got hit by a puppy dog scan. So after that, I did a lot of investigation and I found her human mum and met her pug mum, who I've seen photos of, used to actually sit at the dining table with the humans.

[04:10] Rachel: Lovely. Healthy, nurtured family. Definitely no farming there, unless you consider the farming of the food that was brought to the pug's table. And of course, we're not exchanging money until the pug is in my arms. I actually have a friend. I will tell you. I don't know if I've told you, Donna, this story before. When I got my previous dog, especially, he had some personality issues and everything, and it's not an uncommon thing. I've actually with other people as well. And I got the flu, like, the day after I got him, and I was really sick. And so when I knew I was getting Agatha, I had said to a good friend of mine, now, just got to remember, sometimes with a new puppy, especially with all the frustrations of toilet training, it can take a few days to bond with tHem. It's not necessarily straight away. You just got to have that getting used to, period. I sent him a video ten minutes after her breeder left. Oh, my God. I've never been.

[05:23] Rachel: Never in six and a half years. Let me live that down. He will. Still, to this day, when I'm saying something about how clever she is, say, it's a pity it's taking you so long.

[05:42] Rachel: He does. He kept the recording just so that he can continue to laugh at me, embarrassed.

[05:55] Rachel: And then only a few weeks after I got her, we got a rescue cat called Daphne, and oh, my God, the two of them hit it off the second the cat hit the. Because you know you have that anxiety the second she hit the floor. She bonded with the dog before she bonded with me, and they were just fast friends. Now they're more like normal siblings. They'll sit and have a cuddle, they'll have a play. They'll hate each other for half an hour and not want to talk to each other. But they're still good, affectionate siblings. And the only thing is, the cat is smart and has taught her many things. So now when she plays, she plays by cat rules. And of course, if you go to play group, you see this, all the little doggy social etiquettes, like especially the play bow to introduce play. Well, she doesn't know about the play bow. She understands cat introduction to play, which is get your paw and start swatting the other person.

[07:12] Rachel: And I'm like, oh, my God, she thinks it's cat.

[07:19] Rachel: Yeah, he's been hanging around too many cats. That's clearly what it is.

[07:28] Rachel: However, she did also finally teach the puppy how to use the dog door, which was something we were really struggling with. She's like, you get your pore like this and then your nose, and it's really easy and you can't we in the house. It's disgustinG. You're grossing me out.

[07:55] Rachel: Yes, we were doing the treat training, and it does take a long time. Cat was pretty quick at it.

[09:17] Rachel: It's funny how they seem to know this is forever now.

[09:37] Rachel: It's a hard choice.

[09:51] Rachel: Every time. Yeah.

[10:30] Rachel: And then I sort of.

[11:09] Rachel: But halfway house for Pugs.

[11:22] Rachel: Yeah, well, with Agatha, in fact. Thankfully, she doesn't. I'm not going to say the T word. Thankfully, she doesn't know the name of the actual object of delight.

[11:34] Rachel: Which I actually can't remember the real name of them. We call them bug biscuits.

[11:43] Rachel: Is made out of some kind of cricket powder, but basically made out of ground up crickets. She goes nuts. You get this out and it's like heroin.

[12:01] Rachel: Exactly. As soon as she knows one, it's like all treats are exciting. But no, her eyes. The only thing. And she does know this word, so I'm going to say it a bit quieter. The only thing that compares is rice, really. Oh, my God. If she even hears the lid come off the cooker, I'm not going to say the R word again.

[12:21] Rachel: She even hears the lid come off the cooker. She comes out and the eyes are wild. I can smell it, I can hear it. It's here somewhere. When am I going to get some?

[13:03] Rachel: Oh, nice.

[13:59] Rachel: Yeah.

[15:03] Rachel: If we have rice with dinner, I'll usually give her a little bit in a bowl after we've eaten, not until after we've eaten. But if we're then caught up, like we're having a long chat or eating in front of the TV and watching a show or something, she, as soon as she knows we're finished eating, will stand in that kitchen. And I wish I had a photo do that thing of, because the kitchen faces into the lounge room, dining room, go to where her bowl is and just keep leaning out of the door and staring at me like there's still nothing in my bowl. I'm looking at it right here and there's still nothing in it. Finally agree to get up and go and give her a portion and then she just like, you know when they're that excited and they eat really fast? Well, I don't know. This could be just a her thing because there's hail for a pug thing that turn out to be a her thing. And literally the eating goes numb. Numb, numb, numb, numb. Yes.

[16:14] Rachel: Numb, numb, numb. Yes, literally. Like, you think that's made up for cartoons, but no, it's numb. Numb, numb, numb, numb, numb. If it's good. Oh, yeah, no, it's usually good.

[16:35] Rachel: She's so funny. I mean, she doesn't always do everything. Like, she doesn't have proper head wrinkles like normal pugs. She's got a bit of an egghead and most egghead. When I say that, like I'm saying she's ugly, she's not. She's the most gorgeous little thing in the entire world. But she does have an egghead. There's no way around that. She's got a nose wrinkle, but she's got no forehead wrinkles. Little egghead. Yeah. I'm talking about you.

[17:10] Rachel: I will say, though, I got the best compliment day before yesterday because I took her to the groomers. We've all taken our puggies to the groomers.

[17:19] Rachel: And one of the main reasons I take her to the groomers is because clipping her claws is a pain.

[17:27] Rachel: And I had forgotten that we were going away and that it was kind of urgent and that I didn't have any free days left. So the day before, I rang the groomers, and I said, look, I know this is really last minute, and I'm so sorry. And I always make sure that I don't just say my dog. I say, is there any chance you could fit my pug Agatha in tomorrow? And I get the immediate reaction, oh, Agatha. Oh, we love Agatha. You're pulling at my heart. Just a splash and dash in her claws. All right, fine. She can come at 1030. That's fine for Agatha. But the biggest compliment was when I went to pick her up, because I know she behaves. But the lady said, I don't know if you know this. I know this. Pugs are notorious with weight. When you try and clip their claws, they go insane. And I said, I know. And she said, but we go to clip her claws, and you get the clipper out, and you put your hand up, and she just holds her paw out.

[18:30] Rachel: And I'm like, yeah, for you, I.

[18:37] Rachel: But the first time I ever took her was because I had trained her from a tiny puppy. Give me your paws and clip her claws. And then one day I went to do it, and she went mental, like I was trying to murder her. And I literally thought I was going to disconnect her leg. So that was why. And I asked around and found someone that recommended a good groomer who could clip difficult pugs paws and specialized in this. So I rang them and explained the situation. They're like, no, look, we've got everything we need. We've got really trained people. If necessary, we've got harnesses. Going to let you know. A claw clip starts at. I can't remember, I think it was like $10. But it does go up to $40, depending on how hard it is to restrain your dog and get the claws clipped and not harm them. Like, look, $40 is worth it because just going to tear everything in the house apart, eviscerate me at this. Just gasp if you need to. This is the first time I'd taken her to the groomer. So I took her in and they're like, OK, so this is Agatha and this is the problem. Yeah, this is the. Know, I tell you, I've never heard screaming. Like, I never believed in banshees until this. But the screaming was ungodly. They're like, OK, it's all right. You just sit here. We'll take her in. We'll do it. So I hand her over, I sit down, I wait for the screaming to start. It's been maybe a minute. The little gate opens again and they go, there you go. What? She was good as gold. She just gave us a.

[22:01] Rachel: I would say she's a little manipulator. She is a bossy britches. That's the job. I have, in fact, sent her off by herself in the past to go spend a day with other grumbles and learn how other dogs live. Learn that you are not the king of the castle, the queen of the palace. That usually lasts a couple of days. But having said that. But, yeah, she really is bossy. Really bossy. And she will tell the cat to get lost if I'm eating or something, because, no, that's my food. And I'm like, no, this is actually my food. That's my cat. And I get to tell the cat when she can come and when she can go. You don't. But having said that, it sounds like she's really mean to the cat. If she was mean to the cat, the cat wouldn't be back literally five minutes later, snuggling up to her. And I will admit the cat is like the naughty sibling, because you see Agatha, she's the one who you can see causing trouble. You'll see them tearing around the house. And Agatha, who's much heavier than the cat because she's basically a brick with a warm fur coat, tear around after the cat, knock the cat down, sort of. If I say stomp on the cat, that sounds worse, but you know what I mean?

[23:34] Rachel: Push her around. And then the cat's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And runs away. And people go, oh, she's so bossy to that cat. What they don't see is the bit where the cat came and started it, where the cat comes up and pretends, I'm going to wash your face, sister. And starts washing her face. And as soon as the dog looks dozy, bites her in the jugular, takes her down like a buffalo. It's literally, if you watch those documentaries, Jaguar, take down a buffalo, or something, and they grab it by the jugular and knock it to the ground and pin it. That is exactly what she does. So while she is a little troublemaker, to be fair, she is not actually usually the one who starts it, but she is an affectionate little thing. She will just come. I'll be sitting on the couch, and she'll just come trotting along, jump up on the couch, tuck a little head under my hand, and then just sort of do a little. That little wriggle. Yes, do the little wriggle and go.

[24:33] Rachel: Flatten herself across my knee and go to sleep. She sleeps on her own bed in the laundry. But usually super early in the morning, the couple of hours before I actually get up, I will let her come in and she'll just get in the bed with me and have a little snuggle and asleep. That little warm doggy smell, which is really lovely on the mornings that she settles down, not the mornings she decides to wander around the beach.

[25:00] Rachel: Yeah, exactly. She does think I'm a bouncy castle. Now, I know I'm a larger girl, but literally bouncing all over me like a bouncing castle is a bit uncomfortable. I'm going to play with the cat and I'm going to keep bouncing off you onto the cat. So that's always fun. But she's just such an affectionate little thing. And she'll go to anyone, and she's very gentle ish when she wants to be, but she's funny. She does enjoy playing with other dogs, but she's a bit aloof, like, she'll get in, she'll have a bit of a play, and then you'll be like, where's Agatha? Oh, she's just gone off somewhere by herself to see what's interesting. And, yeah, just a bit of own time on her own, so she can be a little bit aloof, I think she's a bit upper self. She's a bit upper self.

[26:02] Rachel: I'm sure you've heard the noise. You can't hear it at the moment because all you can hear is snoring. I'm sure I've told you about it before, her yum da noise, which is also her interested noise. And I thought this was a pug thing. Until you go to enough pug groups and spend time with other pugs and realize, no, it's an Agatha thing. And people have laughed and gone, oh, I know aGatha's here. I can hear her doing that. Agatha squeak. And I call it the young dart, because it gets higher and closer together. The closer she gets to something interesting. So if she's just exploring, you get this little noise that goes like. And she sniffs around just seeing what it is. It's a little interested noise. Yes.

[26:49] Rachel: And then the closer she gets to something interesting and starts to go. And then chomp. Then he said.

[27:11] Rachel: But I always think her as kind of stupid clever, because I'm always saying she's an idiot. Because she's an idiot. She'll run into traffic. You can't have her off the wheels of a car and did kills. She will run off with a complete stranger. She cannot be trusted with anything like that. But she's canny. You've normally got your dog phrases when you're training sensible, proper dog training phrases like sit, stay down. I accidentally taught her, can I have that? Because as an actual training tool, can I have that, please? Because of the number of times I'd get frustrated because she'd pick up some random, dangerous, poisonous thing that I had to get out of her mouth. And it's, can I have that, please? And I learned, okay, she knows that exact phrase, and if you replace it with a really good treat, she'll do it. Drop it instantly. So you see her with something, even if you don't know what it is, can I have that, please? Spits it out and waits for the lovely treat. She'll even go and stand by the treat cupboard.

[28:16] Rachel: Trouble with that is she learned, if I'm eating something dangerous and my mum says, can I have that, please? I get a treat. Let's explore the entire house and yard and see how many bits of wood, rusty nails, random pieces of plastic I can find to get a treat in exchange for dropping the dangerous thing that I just spent half an hour hunting for. So my yard is lovely and clean. There's definitely no rusty nails or screws or anything like that out there, because in the last couple of years, I think she's excavated the entire.

[30:47] Rachel: Untrain the dog to poo on the grass or do dangerous things straight out of a mouth.

[30:59] Rachel: I got to stand here until I believe you've done all of it.

[31:07] Rachel: Treat.

[32:16] Rachel: If it was Agatha, she'd just bark and want to play with the pugs.

[32:42] Rachel: Horses on television. Well, actually, I'm not sure if she hates horses or loves horses. Her hackles don't go up. I think she wants to play with the horses, especially black horses. Pretty much anything black, I think, because she's black. But I would love to introduce her to a real horse one day and see if she reacts. Because every single time there's a horse, she's like, oh, my God. And she just leaps up and she's barking and she's dancing in front of the television and, yeah, it's like, oh, my God, quick. No, there's a carriage. There's going to be horses. Cover her eyes.

[33:16] Rachel: Don't do it.

[34:18] Rachel: We're taking Agatha on her first holiday next week. Wow.

[34:22] Rachel: Yes. I've already packed most of her bag. Obviously, I can't pack all of know, but I've packed a lot of a bag and a food and some bowls and everything else. But one of the things I'm looking forward to is it's on a really lovely property and at dawn and dusk, they have a flock of peacocks and a herd of deer. Obviously not into the fenced area we're in. But I am so looking forward to seeing what her reaction to a herd of deer is going to be.

[34:55] Rachel: I definitely want the. She's never seen a peacock. No, I've photographed lots of peacocks since I've had her, but she's never seen one, so I'd be interested to see what she thinks of peacocks.

[35:06] Rachel: She doesn't like cuckoo Burrows because of their call, so I don't think she's going to like the peacock scream very much.

[35:19] Rachel: See it just going, my phone. I'm taking my proper camera as well, so this is going to be a lot of fun.

[35:32] Rachel: It's a big bird. It's really big.

[35:42] Rachel: How does it do?

[35:58] Rachel: Yeah, she actually has that for her birthday. When I want to make a little fast. For her birthday, instead of a cake, I make a little tiny bowl of rice domed rice, like you use a little teacup or something to make a dome. And then I get yogurt, and if I want it to look fancy, you put a tiny bit of beetroot juice in the yogurt to make pink and then smother the rice in that and that sends her to heaven. Although someone did actually think I gave her an iced cake. And I'm like, no, it's rice and yogurt. I wouldn't actually give her a human cake covered in icing, but she absolutely loves that. And I'm thinking, what, apart from her weird little grunts and groans, is uniquely agatha? Apart from she's just such a little sleepy nugget. Really. I think she just is such a little sleepy nugget. And she's just so agreeable, I suppose. I think because she's my first actual pug. You sort of just think about pugs as being so agreeable. They'll just go along with whatever you want to do. Until you start meeting other pugs and going, no, actually, they're not all that agreeable.

[37:18] Rachel: Whatever you want. No, not all of them will just go along and be really happy, but she's just really easy going. I think that's such a valuable thing because I did have before her. I don't think I'd call him a reactive doc, because that makes it sound like he was on the attack. But a very anxious doc and a lot of things scared him and worried him, and he'd be very much on edge. And if you moved, he was alert, awake. And she's the absolute opposite of that.

[37:57] Rachel: Go to stand up and far from being like, oh, my God, what are you doing? She just rolls over and ***** her leg in the air. Like, if you are getting up, you may scratch my belly. Can I? Thanks, that's really fine.

[38:14] Rachel: No, sure, that's fine. I'm good with that. But no, she's just such an easy going little thing and just so super friendly with everyone. She loves little girls. She particularly loves little girls because I think when she was a tiny puppy, one of the first non house members she met, we went down to see my brother and his kids, and my little nephew, Darcy is the most sweet little boy, but is not an animal kid and was a little bit scared of dogs. Even the tiny little fur covered nugget that she was, fuzzy jelly bean. My little niece, though, who was even tinier at the time, has always adored animals. So she spent the whole time fussing over her and feeding her an entire bag of treats while I wasn't looking. So Agatha learned very quickly, you want fuss, you want food, look for the little girls. Yes, the little girls are going to give you. They're going to ask every, can I give her another treat, please? Can I give her another spank? Can I give her. She once sat down at a market and got herself surrounded. Literally. I turned around like I had a long lead on. So it's not like I'd wandered off, but I was just talking this guy at the stall about buying something, and I'd said to two little girls sitting there, yeah, no, you had her. I turned back and she has a circle. Little girls like a little tiny god lovers. If there's more people there, like. She loves to scratch. But she won't just stay with the person who's currently fussing her. Hang on, there's another person there. I need that person to fuss me as well. It's not about the quality of the fuss, it's the quantity of people passing me. So yes, she'll do that. You go to Bunnings and you're driving along. Not driving, pushing a trolley along. And she will cry, literally, a little cry of despair for every single person that walks past and doesn't stop to say, just walking along. You just hear, seriously, it's embarrassing. Stop doing that.

[40:40] Rachel: But I don't know if yours do this. When she's in the trolley, which is usually Bunnings. So when she's in the trolley, she actually. I have to get a video. I'll send you a video somewhere. But she will actually go up to the front end of the trolley so her back eggs are. And do a Titanic.

[41:00] Rachel: Put the paws up on the top as you're going, like.

[41:06] Rachel: And the second the trolley stops, she just gets down and sits down. But as she moving again, she's back up on the bow of the ship.

[41:39] Rachel: But yes, I think she's unique in her own way. I suppose that's what unique means, really. There are all OD little noises, but she is my absolute baby. I absolutely adore her and her little cat way of playing things. And yeah, she's a good girl.

[42:27] Rachel: I think it's just because the number of times I've thought it since I got her, and again, it sounds really horrible. And I was sort of half reluctant because it sounds like I'm going, my pug is inferior. But no, as I said, I am a pet hypochondriac. And my mum teases me for it all the time. She goes, oh, my God. There is nothing wrong with the dog. All right, I'm going to choke you to death in a second. But why is my dog got an egghead? She's got the distinctive nose roll and everything. She does not have the distinctive pug rumpled forehead. She has an egg head. It's shaped just like a little egg. And that's how I've always been able to find her, in a party or something. Yes, because I remember the first time I took her to a pug group, I was really worried. I said to my friend, what if I can't tell which one's mine? And his stupid answer was, just bend down and call her. And the pug that runs to you and rattles you is your pug. I'm like, seriously?

[43:29] Rachel: Like, you're the one that doesn't run to it. But, yeah, so she's got this weird little egghead. And that's what started the whole, what's wrong with my pug? Why does my pug have the wrong kind of wrinkles? And it's funny because you think it's just you. And then sometimes you're sitting in pug group and you listen to the others and they'll sort of say, ever so quietly, why is my pug's tongue twice as big as yours? Yes, why is my pug's ears go one up and one down? And I was like, it's not just me then who thinks, what is wrong with my pug? And she does have these weird things. Like I say, all the other dogs are socializing, and she plays like a cat because the cat taught her how to play. So she doesn't know polite doggy bowels. She goes up and just starts smacking other pugs in the head. Because that's how cats instigate, play. And I watch her and I just go, oh, my God, what is wrong with my pug? Why doesn't she know how to be a normal pug? And she goes off by herself. And I think, well, I remember when I was like that as a teenager, but for heaven's sake, you can't say that's rubbed off. She wants to go off and read poetry by herself instead of playing with the other dogs. And it's just been one of those ongoing things, and I'll sit there and especially at events and things where there's lots of. Sorry, I know I'm detracted. But this was another. I'm sure lots of us have done it. We went to a dog event, and they had, specifically, a pug race and raced to the finish line. And again, I've got a video of this because I'm, like, exciting, and who's going to win? But she can be super quick. She had a little dress on. So, yeah, they released the pugs, and I'm at the finish line. The pugs come tearing. The one that was a little foxy cross, of course, was the first cross. All the pugs come running, and I'm like, where's my dog? This little princess in a dress comes sauntering along in your imagination, see the paparazzi camera flashing away, and she's just looking to the right and to the left, like, hello, my fans. Yes, I'll give you an autograph in a minute. And just sauntering along, and I just looked at her, and I'm like, what is wrong with my pug?

[45:54] Rachel: Why can't you be like the other pugs? Everyone thinks you can't run. You can run. Show them you can run. No, my admirers are watching me in my purple dress.

[46:11] Rachel: We sachet. And that's what she did. She sachet her way to the finish line like a little model.

[46:24] Rachel: I do have the hypochondria things of. Is that a spot? What's wrong with my pug? Has she got cancer or a pimple or. It's food on her face?

[46:38] Rachel: What'S wrong with my pugs?

[46:43] Rachel: Although I was surprised to find out that not everyone's pugs liked rice because my previous dog liked rice as well. So I just thought, hey, dogs like rice. Until I said it to other people, and they're like, my dog doesn't eat rice.

[47:00] Rachel: Definitely try the rice yogurt ball, because that is just the bomb, and it looks like a bomb, and her tail goes straight.

[47:15] Rachel: Yeah. And if you want to make it extra special, you can cook the rice in stock instead of water.

[47:24] Rachel: Yeah, that's for real. Fancy offense. Very little bit dropped into the food.

[47:55] Rachel: And see, yeah, a little turkey stuffed.

[48:04] Rachel: Yes.

[48:08] Rachel: Totally. That was another thing. What's wrong with my pug? She doesn't like.

[48:19] Rachel: Tiny puppy, she played. And, like, there's one I have, a stuffed dragon. She'll sometimes play with that. But on the whole, the only toy she likes is one of the cat toys, which is one of those ones that is on the end of a rope on a stick and is made of feathers. She will chase that until she makes herself sick. And if she knows it's there, she will go on and on. I want to play with that, and I'll get it out because it's good exercise. Give her a run, but she won't stop. Like, she'll be lying there. She can barely stand up. She's panting to the point where she's almost sick. And I'm like, sweetheart, this is not good for you anymore. You're going to be sick. You need to rest. But you try to put it away, and I'll put it on the bed where she can't reach it, and she'll just stand there and stare at it and stare at me. I want to play with it. I'm like, no, you can't. That's the only toy she likes. The cat's little thing on a stick.

[49:19] Rachel: But she just doesn't like toys. And I've tried explaining that dogs like toys, but not a bar of it. Unless the cat's playing with one, in which case she'll just steal that. So the cat can't have it.

[49:52] Rachel: Yeah.

[50:06] Rachel: I think it's different with a pug.

[50:12] Rachel: Yeah, normal dog rules don't apply.

[50:20] Rachel: Thank you for having us, and I.

[50:32] Rachel: All right, see you.