In this episode, Josephine Hughes interviews Tracey Carlisle about her inspiring journey from secure employment to establishing a fulfilling counselling private practice. Faced with frustration and the fear of returning to a job she didn't enjoy, Tracey found the courage to make a significant change in her life. She decided to take the leap into full-time private practice, realising that all her hard work and training were leading her to this moment. Tracey highlights the importance of mindset and taking action, emphasising that waiting for everything to be perfect can hold you back. Now thriving in her practice, she reflects on the support she received and encourages others to trust themselves and take that first step towards their dreams.
Takeaways:
Planning your exit from a full-time job can ease the transition to private practice.
Building a client base can start with word-of-mouth recommendations from friends and family.
Establishing clear boundaries with clients from the start can prevent awkward situations later.
Tracey found that taking small steps towards private practice ultimately made a significant impact on her journey.
Realising that "if not now, then when" gave Tracey the motivation she needed to take the leap into full-time practice
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Transcripts
Tracey:
And I said, you know, this is getting unbearable.
Tracey:
I just, the thought of going back next week is just terrifying.
Tracey:
Just don't know how much longer I can do this.
Tracey:
So he just said to me, well, if you don't do it now, when are you going to do it?
Tracey:
Even if all those years you've worked really hard, you've gone on to do other things since to more qualifications, more training, what are you doing it for?
Tracey:
I thought, well, he's actually got a point, hasn't he?
Tracey:
You know, I can't keep doing a day and moaning about the rest of my life when, when I can make the change myself.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Josephine:
If you're already earning your living in a full time job, how do you make that leap from employment to a full time private practice?
Josephine:
Is it even possible?
Josephine:
And how can you make it work when you've got bills to pay?
Josephine:
Today I'm resharing an interview with Tracey Carlisle, who was a member of my therapy growth group back in lockdown.
Josephine:
This is the story of how Tracy made it work.
Josephine:
And although this interview is several years old, Tracey is still in practice and she's now expanding to include self esteem workshops as part of her work.
Josephine:
Sit back and enjoy listening to the story of Tracy's progress because I'm sure she'd agree that if she can do it, you can do it too.
Speaker D:
So, Tracey, you know, I sort of first sort of started noticing you around, sort of around lockdown because you were working at home, weren't you?
Speaker D:
But you were working in a job that you didn't really enjoy.
Speaker D:
So tell us a bit about where you were and were you doing any private practice at the point of sort.
Tracey:
Of lockdown and yeah, I was, I was doing.
Tracey:
Just up until we went into lockdown, I was doing evenings.
Tracey:
So I was doing a Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday evening.
Tracey:
Just a couple of clients.
Tracey:
So I probably had about six a week.
Speaker D:
Right.
Tracey:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Evening when we went into lockdown, it was a, you know, mixed bag of emotions for me.
Tracey:
I loved being at home, I loved working from home, but I didn't love the fact that I was doing, I had that privilege, I suppose, to be at home, but not doing what I want.
Tracey:
I wanted to not do what I enjoyed.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
So for me it was quite frustrating because I was still seeing my.
Tracey:
Well, not seeing because then the initial lockdown, I was doing them by telephone.
Tracey:
So that was a completely different way of working for me from face to face, thrown in at the deep end instantly, like we all were.
Tracey:
But I got through it.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And clients got through it too.
Tracey:
And unscathed.
Tracey:
A hope.
Tracey:
And it all seemed to be going okay, but it kind of still didn't sit right with me because I was still quite unhappy in myself.
Speaker D:
Fast forward to about September.
Speaker D:
You went back to work, didn't you, at that point you went back to the office?
Tracey:
Yes, yeah.
Tracey:
Went back and then decided it was time to drop down to four days.
Tracey:
So had had the meeting with the boss, asked if it would be possible.
Tracey:
So I chose a Wednesday in midweek to break the week up for me.
Tracey:
And so then I went from my Tuesday evening with clients to all day Wednesday, Wednesday evening and Thursday evenings.
Tracey:
And that took off fairly quickly.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Initially when it wasn't taking off as quickly as I'd hoped, I was doing cpd, so I was using the time.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Then it did.
Tracey:
The Wednesdays filled up and then I was becoming quite exhausted.
Tracey:
I was then doing two jobs.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
But still enjoying it and looking forward to my Wednesdays.
Tracey:
Wednesdays was my favorite day of the week.
Tracey:
They call it Wonky Wednesday.
Tracey:
It was never that for me.
Tracey:
It was always my favourite day of the week.
Speaker D:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:
Because you just love the counselling.
Tracey:
Yeah, yeah.
Tracey:
And freedom.
Speaker D:
Because you've got.
Speaker D:
I mean, you're in lovely.
Speaker D:
A lovely office there, aren't you?
Speaker D:
You've got a lovely space.
Speaker D:
Anybody on the.
Speaker D:
In the group will have seen the space that you've got because you've got like a space in your garden, haven't you, for science?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
So we.
Tracey:
Down the bottom of the garden.
Tracey:
So I've got a separate office to the therapy room.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And clients love it as well because it's a nice view from the garden.
Tracey:
And when I'm doing things like this, the dog comes down and it's.
Tracey:
He comes to work.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And he enjoys it too, which is nice.
Tracey:
And it's just.
Tracey:
Yeah, it's just a nice environment.
Tracey:
It's just lovely.
Speaker D:
So I know people who are watching going to be wanting to know, how did you do it?
Speaker D:
You know, how did you move from just a few clients to more clients to then actually taking that step.
Speaker D:
Was it difficult to take that step to give up your work?
Speaker D:
And actually.
Speaker D:
Right, I'm going to take the plunge and I'm going to move from like this day a week with a few evenings to like, I'm giving up work and giving up that income that I know I've got coming in.
Speaker D:
Tell me about that.
Tracey:
Well, in a nutshell, I was pushed.
Tracey:
As time went on, I was becoming more and more frustrated because I was gaining more and More confidence.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And I was getting better and better, you know, with my clients through more and more experience and stuff.
Tracey:
And so yeah, I was finding it harder to do the other job and you know, my mindset was just all over the place and so I knew I had to make, I had to make a decision.
Tracey:
And so it was Friday evening with family and my son in law and daughter came over and I said, you know, this is getting unbearable.
Tracey:
I just, the thought of going back next week is just terrifying.
Tracey:
Just don't know how much longer I can do this.
Tracey:
So he just said to me, well, if you, if you don't do it now, when are you going to do it?
Tracey:
You mean for all those years you've worked really hard, you've gone on to do other things since to more qualifications, more training, what are you doing it for?
Tracey:
I thought, well, he's actually got a point, hasn't he?
Tracey:
You know, I can't keep doing a day and moaning about the rest of my life when I can make the change myself.
Tracey:
And so I said, well, okay, what I'll do is I'll aim some hands in my notice in three months time, which gives me the opportunity to build up some money and then I'll do it.
Tracey:
And so he said, well, I think three months is too long, but if that's what you're comfortable with, that's what you do.
Tracey:
It turns out on the Monday morning I handed in my notice.
Speaker D:
Was that like a month's notice?
Tracey:
Yeah.
Tracey:
So I had to give a month but I ended up giving five weeks because I thought, because that's how the, that may turned out to be.
Tracey:
And I thought, and that way I'm being fair and so on and I wanted to leave on good terms.
Tracey:
And from that very moment, it was the longest five weeks of my life.
Tracey:
It just every day got harder and every day got longer.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And I still didn't know what was going to happen.
Tracey:
Yeah, I had this excitement and that's what kept me going.
Tracey:
I didn't care what was going to happen.
Tracey:
I was excited.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And so I noticed that my, I'm very methodical, very conscientious and I wasn't that person in that office anymore because my mind, I just wasn't interested.
Tracey:
I just, I checked out.
Speaker D:
Yeah, you're ready to go?
Tracey:
Yeah, I was ready to go and that's all I wanted.
Tracey:
And so as I was making it clear to clients that I would take, I was opening up my diary more.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
So I left on there, I think it was at the time 28th of May and then on Tuesday the 1st of June, I was in full time private practice.
Tracey:
Wow.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And my diary wasn't.
Speaker D:
No.
Tracey:
By nowhere near full, but it was enough income.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And it was, it was nice to ease myself in.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And from there on I've not regretted a single moment.
Tracey:
I've not looked back.
Tracey:
And it's just grown and grown and grown and grown from there.
Speaker D:
It's fantastic.
Speaker D:
It's really, really good, isn't it?
Speaker D:
So the way you've done it really is in a sense you sort of compromised with being a bit busier for a while while you established yourself and got that confidence up and then you took the leap and now you know you haven't.
Speaker D:
You're not doing two jobs, you're just doing the one job and you've got that lifestyle and the counseling business that you've always wanted, which is amazing.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
It's nice to have the freedom.
Tracey:
You know, I work my diary around taking the dog to dog school and things like that and weekends away and I don't work weekends anymore, which is nice.
Speaker B:
Yeah, I did initially.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
About, about the first six to eight weeks I did Saturday mornings and then quickly stopped doing that.
Tracey:
Then I decided I was only going to do three days a week.
Tracey:
I was going to do Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and then Monday was going to be like my admin day, if you like cpd.
Tracey:
That's.
Tracey:
But now I book clients in on a Monday too.
Josephine:
Because you're busy.
Tracey:
Yeah, because I'm busy.
Speaker D:
Yeah.
Tracey:
The lovely feeling.
Tracey:
And long may it last.
Tracey:
Yeah, and I'm sure it will.
Tracey:
I have all faith that it will.
Tracey:
I'm very positive, got a very positive attitude and I just absolutely love it.
Tracey:
My only regret is I didn't do it sooner.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
It was hard, wasn't it, to.
Speaker D:
To take that, that leap into the unknown.
Tracey:
It was your son in law saying what.
Speaker D:
What to do and tell me what you.
Speaker D:
Because what we say before we started recording about the.
Speaker D:
Almost like trying to get everything in place and you were saying that you thought you had to get everything in place before you started.
Tracey:
Yeah, I feel like that's what holds a lot of us back from going into private practice because we feel that we need to have everything ready.
Tracey:
You know, we need to have the clients, we need to have the paperwork, the hand, the pretty paper.
Tracey:
You don't need any of that.
Tracey:
You just need to take payments and do the work.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tracey:
Now get a profile, get your directory sorted.
Tracey:
You want to do Facebook pages and things like that it's all choice, it's personal choice, but you don't have to have every individual piece in place.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Because the jigsaw does come together in the end.
Tracey:
And you, as you go along, and what I found, a lot of the work that I'd put into place, I believed I needed.
Tracey:
I've not needed or I've changed.
Speaker D:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Because it doesn't suit that way.
Tracey:
So I've adjusted things along the way.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
So I thought, you know, that was a lot of time wasted, really, because as you settle into it and get going, you realize what you need and what you don't need and how you need it.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
So your advice would be just get going.
Speaker D:
Really?
Tracey:
Just get going?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
It's really.
Tracey:
Just get going.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Don't hold yourself back, because you'll do it.
Tracey:
You can always find a reason not to do it.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
You can always find an excuse, whether it's where you're going to work from, what hours you're going to do, whether you're good enough.
Tracey:
You know, that whole imposter, which mine, probably a lot of the people in the group that know me in the group know that mine's jelly baby, my imposter.
Tracey:
And I just think to myself, oh, you're a jelly baby.
Tracey:
What do you know?
Tracey:
I can't take you seriously.
Tracey:
And that's it, it's gone.
Tracey:
So I think you just got to have faith in yourself and just give it a go.
Tracey:
What's the worst that can happen?
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
It's really interesting, isn't it, because you sort of said that you think that's actually the most important thing about getting set up was actually that mindset and just making that leap, really.
Tracey:
I think one important thing that you do need to have in place from the very beginning, and again, it will change, but you do need to have it in place is boundaries.
Speaker B:
Yeah, go on.
Tracey:
You have to know your boundaries.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
What's acceptable when you're going to work, when you're not going to work, what you're prepared to bend a little bit.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
How are you going to be with clients?
Tracey:
You know, I'm very adamant for my clients not to turn up early because I don't want them crossing on the way out.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
I want them to feel comfortable coming in and leaving.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And I take deposits so that it covers any late cancellations or DNAs.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
All those sorts of things.
Tracey:
So have your boundaries in place so that you.
Tracey:
It just makes things flow a lot easier.
Tracey:
You don't have awkward conversations, awkward situations.
Tracey:
They're there in place, put them in your contract, make them aware from the very first session, that very first assessment.
Tracey:
It makes a lot of difference.
Speaker D:
That's.
Speaker D:
That's helped.
Speaker D:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
And where do you get your clients from?
Speaker D:
You know, where have you.
Speaker D:
How did you get your first clients?
Speaker D:
Because it's often difficult to get the first clients going, isn't it, when you were sort of first setting up?
Tracey:
My first ones were recommendations from friends.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Tracey:
Words of mouth.
Speaker D:
Can I just ask, how did you get the word of mouth recommendations from your friends?
Speaker D:
Is it just like you told everybody that you were.
Tracey:
Yeah, yeah, go on, I told everybody, yeah.
Tracey:
This is my dream, this is what I'm doing and I need to get some clients in.
Tracey:
And then it was like, oh, you know, I've got a friend that could do some help, you know.
Tracey:
Well, do I know this friend?
Speaker D:
No, no, no.
Tracey:
Well, that's absolutely fine then.
Tracey:
Let's have a chat with them and see if I can help.
Speaker B:
Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
So a lot of.
Tracey:
A lot of word of mouth and now I get a lot of recommendations.
Tracey:
I get existing clients coming back because bearing in mind, before I went into private practice full time in June, prior to that, for a year, I was part time, very part time.
Tracey:
So some of those clients have come back for something new's come up for them.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And they've recommended people.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
So but with directories, a majority would be from Counselling Directory.
Tracey:
Yeah, yeah, I get a lot from Counselling Directory.
Tracey:
Not so many Psychology today, but definitely.
Speaker D:
Through Counselling Counselling Directory.
Speaker D:
That works well for you.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:
So you've got that sort of mixture, haven't you, the word of mouth?
Speaker D:
Probably past clients now recommending you to other new people, past clients coming back to you and then new clients finding you sort of on the Internet and.
Tracey:
Getting that and more so recently through my website, because I've spent time on.
Tracey:
On Google, so that I come up on Google.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And I've had a lovely website designed by one of our fellow members.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Which is.
Tracey:
Which is fantastic.
Tracey:
And so I'm actually getting people through the website as well now.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:
So when you say you spent more time on Google, tell us a bit about that.
Speaker D:
What have you done?
Tracey:
Well, you can register with what's called my Google.
Tracey:
Google my business.
Tracey:
Yeah, Google my business.
Tracey:
And so if you spend a bit of time setting that up and setting yourself up as a business on there.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Then when people go into Google to search, you know, counselors in Essex or therapy in Essex, all those keywords, you'll come up, you'll show up.
Tracey:
But until you go on to Google my business, it's very difficult for them to find you without specifically putting in your web address.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Josephine:
And do you do, do you go.
Speaker D:
On to Google my business and add posts and that sort of stuff as well?
Tracey:
No, no.
Speaker D:
You're just registered.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Tracey:
I'm not technical to do these kinds of things.
Tracey:
I'm not very good with stuff like that, so I can't.
Tracey:
I tend to shy away from things.
Speaker D:
But it's still working, isn't it?
Speaker D:
That's still getting clients.
Speaker B:
So.
Speaker D:
Yeah, I mean, if you did all of that, you'd probably be inundated and.
Tracey:
I wouldn't have the time to work with clients if I was working on these things all the time.
Tracey:
So.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:
I mean you've managed it without it and probably a lot of it is, is because you've put yourself out in front of you sort of friends and family and said, everybody, I'm looking for clients.
Tracey:
So I do other cheeky things as well.
Tracey:
Like if I'm going to the hairdressers, I'll ask if I can leave some cards.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Tracey:
If I'm going for a facial, I'll ask if I can leave some cards and so on.
Tracey:
So wherever I go I've always got business cards with me.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And just ask if I can leave a few.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And generally people will say yes.
Tracey:
And I did actually go a little bit beyond that.
Tracey:
I bought some tidy little boxes for them to be in just off of ebay, you know, cheapest chips, just so that when I was given some they could look at it.
Tracey:
Well actually it's tidy, they're not going to get messed around and thrown everywhere.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
And so generally people will say, yeah, that's fine, just leave a few on the counter.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
It's this old fashioned things, isn't it?
Speaker D:
It's not necessarily, you know, the Internet and all the rest of it, but just, you know, putting your cards out locally and using people that, you know, they are good old words of mouth.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Local pharmacy, things like that.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:
Brilliant.
Speaker D:
Oh, that's brilliant, Tracey.
Speaker D:
And you and I have sort of been on a bit of a journey together as well, haven't we?
Tracey:
So do you want to just tell.
Speaker D:
Everybody what we've done together?
Tracey:
Oh, well, back at the start when I, you know, first found come across good enough counsellors, we had a one to one, didn't we?
Tracey:
And I was kind of very well, I think I was a different person back Then, yeah, I was very unsure of myself, I suppose, and unsure of my capabilities and what I wanted to do and where I wanted to go.
Tracey:
And we had a really good chat for, you know, about an hour or so.
Tracey:
Really good chat.
Tracey:
And I've still got the notes to this day.
Tracey:
Yes, I have, yeah, I have.
Speaker D:
I do remember that.
Speaker B:
Yeah, yeah.
Tracey:
So I've still got the notes and I still look back on them from time to time because I think these are good reminders of where you've been and where you are now.
Tracey:
But also in those things there'll always be that little key thing.
Tracey:
Oh, yeah.
Tracey:
Thought about trying that again.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
You know, they're all.
Tracey:
It's all good tools.
Speaker D:
Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker D:
And then you came into my therapy growth group for a while, didn't you as well?
Speaker D:
What did you go on?
Tracey:
What did I think of it?
Tracey:
Is that what you think?
Speaker D:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
What did you find to use?
Tracey:
Invaluable.
Tracey:
Invaluable.
Tracey:
There's so much to learn from yourself and from others in the group.
Tracey:
There's always fresh ideas.
Tracey:
Everybody's so welcoming and helpful and supportive.
Tracey:
So you might think you've got a bit of an issue that's a bit ridiculous.
Tracey:
I just don't want to share that you feel like you can because there is no question is a stupid question, is it?
Tracey:
And so put it out there and get some help, get some advice and support and yeah, it's been absolutely invaluable and the training's been superb.
Speaker D:
Oh good.
Speaker D:
I'm glad you've enjoyed it.
Speaker D:
But yeah, like highly recommend if you'd.
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Speaker D:
It's just so lovely to.
Speaker D:
To reach this point where you know you're full.
Speaker D:
It's like this little bird when it's leaves a nest, isn't it?
Speaker D:
Because you're sort of like, you're sort of like just flying and you're independent and you know you've got this lovely practice and you're living the you know, the career that you wanted to have.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
Living the dream.
Tracey:
Funny you should say about birds, because my logo is a thingy.
Speaker D:
Phoenix.
Speaker D:
Oh, phoenix.
Tracey:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
What's the birds?
Tracey:
It's a phoenix.
Tracey:
It has a significance behind it, which I think is quite fitting.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
In our profession.
Speaker D:
Definitely.
Speaker D:
And that's what you're helping your clients with as well?
Tracey:
Yeah.
Speaker D:
To help them rise.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Tracey:
So I recommend to everybody that anybody that's on Good Enough counsellors that isn't on the therapy growth group, it's worth the investment.
Josephine:
Thank you.
Speaker D:
Thank you, Tracy.
Tracey:
So you get so much from it.
Speaker D:
Yeah.
Josephine:
What I love about Tracy's story is that I know for many of you listening, there's always this question, and the question is, can I make that leap?
Josephine:
Can I move from secure employment to working in private practice?
Josephine:
And I think what Tracy shows is that it is possible, but sometimes you have to combine the two for a while because that can.
Josephine:
Can help you.
Josephine:
But I really also loved what Tracy said, which was if not now, then when.
Josephine:
And that did ultimately persuade her to take that leap of faith.
Josephine:
And I think, as you can tell, she was really pleased that she did so.
Josephine:
So I hope Tracy's experience has inspired you.
Josephine:
I don't see so much of Tracy now in the group because, to be frank, she doesn't really need me because she's got going.
Josephine:
She's enjoying working in private practice.
Josephine:
And as she said in the interview, she is living her dream.
Josephine:
Thanks for listening.
Josephine:
Do come and join my Facebook community.
Josephine:
Good enough, counsellors.
Josephine:
And for more information about how I can help you develop your private practice, please Visit my website, JosephineHughes.com if you found this episode helpful, I'd love it if you could share it with a fellow therapist or leave a review on your podcast app.
Josephine:
And in closing, I'd love to remind you that every single step you make gets you closer to your dream.
